After reading of Michael Baldacchino's starting problems and filter considerations I decided to be pro-active and order two each of the fuel filters for our M11 engine.
That was the easy part. My fuel filters are side by side. the Fleetguard filter presently in place is a FS19592. Barry's site says I need a FS1001. I went to Filter Barn. Can't find either.
The other filter is a WINN 200200. Filter Barn does not carry these. I Googled the part number and someone with a Monaco on iRV2.com said that part is no longer made. I am not about to take the word of an SOB owner.
So -- where can I order two each of the filters I need and what are the part numbers? Geez. Can it get any more complicated?
Finally, which is the primary and the secondary filter?
George, The FS1001 or FS19592 will fit, I use the larger FS19592 on the engine.
For the Winn system, filter is Racor S3230T.
The Winn 200200 Is the plastic piece with the problem O rings.
Also I use the LF9000 instead of the LF9001 due to size.
hope this helps
Dave
I found what appears to be the proper winn filter at a local filter speciality store, the filter was dusty and hard to find, last one but I did not think it was a good buy for $33 bucks so I called boatersworld.com and will replace the winn system with the racor integrated retrofit system RK12963 $107.94 this includes shipping with delivery in 3-5 days, the filters are easy to find . I hope this will work, you might want to research this app. to make sure. jc 99 320
George,
I could not find the 200200. I replaced it with the Racor 300200
On my 1996 U320 there is an FS19592 with a water seperator behind the engine start batteries, which I believe is the primary filter.
There is an FS1001 on the engine, below the air compressor and behind the alternator.
The FS1001 is larger than the FS19592 and looks like a large oil filter with a plastic (1" diameter) nut on the bottom.
The FS19592 is smaller than the FS1001 and looks like a large cut off oil filter with a cap assembly on the bottom. This assembly has a hose and a 12 volt wire. The FS 19592 and FS1001 could not be interchanged.
George's picture in Reply #1 shows the same water seperator and primary filter that I have, except his is beind the alternator, while mine is behind the battery.
I also would like to purchase fuel filters, perhaps even 6 or 8.
To make this even more confusing, my Foreravel manual shows primary fuel filter as WINN HF180 and secondary as FS1212.
There was mention of someone who carried several fuel filters with him, that could be my friend Rob Robinson from Victoria, BC. We had supper together last week and he urged me to obtain several fuel filters because he went through 6 in 500 miles after getting bad fuel at a "hole in the wall" station.
What is a LF9000?
Wyatt
That is your Oil Filter Number
:) Let me throw my 2 cents in on this filter topic. I have a 01' U320 and ordered filters last night from the Filter Barn. In my manual it says I use a Fleetguard AF1838M air filter. That has been changed to AF1838 and listed on page 18 at Filter Barn. I also use the two fuel filters, FS19592 (don't recall what page) and FS1001 (page 96). My oil filter is now listed as LF9070 (page 92) changed from LF9001. Last is the coolant filter WF2077 (page 94). I loaded up on filters and saved the price of shipping. There is approximately 100 pages of Fleetguard filters listed and I had to look at every page to find mine. Took awhile but was worth it in the long run. I bought enough to last me at least 2 years.
When at first I was unable to find AF1838M I emailed Filter Barn and they got back to me within 16 hours advising me of the new number. I bought from them before and had good service, and at a very good price.
Barry, I should could use a few of those 300200. Like others I was unable to find the 200200. Where did you buy yours. Thanks. Jon
I will have to look up the receipt. i bought it 11/09.
I remember it was a truck parts house in Santa Fe Springs CA.
I know that this filter can be cleaned with solvent and reused.
Unfortunately I used the wrong solvent and the plastic got kinda soft :o
I hate when that happens :-[
NAPA indicates that their fuel filter #3005 is a replacement for the Racor S3203. Has anyone used the NAPA filter? Any issues?
I picked one up and it is made by Wix (#533005).
Fred, we purchased all our filters from NAPA when we had our '98 and plan on doing that again with our 2000!
Not all M11 engines are configured with the same filters. Verify what you need for your specific filter configuration.
Well the NAPA 3005 was not even close. I have the original filter assembly with the Racor S3203 filter. I started encountering a sputtering engine when going up hills on this trip. Otherwise, it ran just fine. I am well overdue for a fuel filter. I have put 10,000 miles on the coach since I bought it and I don't know when this filter was last changed. It was not changed when I had the engine and transmission serviced last.
I tried to get the old filter off today and it is completely stuck on the housing. Rather then throw time and money at the old unit, my thought now is to ditch the old assembly and replace it with the newer Racor 700 series (http://beamalarm.com/Documents/racor_rk12963_retrofit_kit.html?fbclid=IwAR3xCQJZJ1JJ8rAI175EIGPuJUXl-0vg2sg27jfmjVpzjzYXoc1i6mtd0BE). Until I can get it replaced, we'll be Kamping at the KOA! At least we are "stuck" at our destination and not in transit.
I just picked up spare filters from Cummins in San Antonio.I had checked with a NAPA in McKinnney Texas who had all the filters, similar to Cummins, except for big difference in a fuel filter. Couldn't find all needed filters on Amazon. Cummins had fair prices and the filters were ready for me when I arrived
I am guessing that the NAPA 3005 filter is the replacement for the Racor R90P once the retrofit kit has been installed. My hunch is that the 3005 has the drain built into it. Here are pictures of the two.
Personally I like the Parker style filter so you can see trash in the filter bowl. But use what makes you happy.
MIke
X2 on use what makes you happy-- I have been well pleased with the Davco 382 . I like being able to visually monitor it so when fuel level gets within a couple of inches from the top it is time to change. So far at about 4K miles it isn't to the half way mark
Chris
I replaced our old Winn-style assembly with a Racor 790R30 two tears ago and have been well pleased with it.
The NAPA number for the direct R90P replacement is : NAPA 3231. It's made by Wix. Woody.
We did go forward with the replacement to the Racor 790R30. The Foretravel parts shop sent the part overnight to the campground. We had the local diesel shop come out and do the replacement at the campground. The M11 engine fired up and we drove home without any issues. We also now have a working primer pump. :)
Fred, glad you got it going. I hope your as happy with the Racor as I am with mine. A working primer pump.......... it's the simple things in life that make us happy ^.^d
Larry
Glad you got it changed. Replacing the old Winn system with the new Racor filter was one of the better upgrades I've made. No more cold-weather fuel starvation issues!
I have a few questions regarding this fuel filter topic relative to an issue that's developed while doing filter maintenance this week. I've had this typical maintenance done at a shop. Attempting to learn how to take care of this "beast" myself.
This week, doing filter replacements I found a problem with the primary fuel filter. The current setup is definitely not the "stock" setup. The origanal control box and primer switches have all been removed.
The current setup has a Donaldson P550691filter as the primary. The filter was extremely hard to remove, as you can see from the photo we crushed the can using pliers, (filter wrench wouldn't budge it). I went to NAPA and their cross fit to their brand filter does not allow me to fully spin the filter up without significant force. This doesn't seem correct. The threads on the base appear to be OK, they don't look crossed. I have ordered the exact Donaldson filter online which will arrive soon and will try.
So the question:
1- Should I reinstall an upgraded Racor 790R30 system, or other option with the capability to pump prime? Or is this setup OK to use? I've not had any issues filling this filter again with fuel and getting the M11 started. However, it provides no view of the fuel, how can you judge the need to replace, (add a gauge?), what if I really need to prime to get fuel up to the engine?
2- If the "new" Donaldson P550691 filter hangs up and cannot be easily snugged up then tightened, I will assume the mandrel base threads have an issue. Does this filter look like a WIX base? No number on the base unfortunately... Any ideas on how/where to get a replacement base, (is there a check valve in the base?). Did the wrong filter get installed on it???
I've looked at several very good forum threads on fuel filter options on the forum, lots of options... Anybody seen this Donaldson filter and base used?
Need the experts thoughts on this one...
Thanks in advance
Jeff,
That filter base looks more like a filter base for a hyd. log splitter that was put on as a get by. If the new filter you have ordered don't spin on with ease that leads me to think that either the center mount threads are damaged or that the filter has the wrong threads for the filter base. In either case I would replace it so service can be done without fretting as you don't need to have to order a special fuel filter if you are in a bind. If you pick up a bad load of fuel you want to be able to change filters setting on the side of the road without a lot of trouble as you will be fit to be tied at this point. The location of the filter is great of ease of access though.
If I was changing out filter bases I would get one that a replacement filter could be gotten at most any parts store or truck stop even though I carry a spare set of filters. The Racor 790R30 with the clear bowl (90 GPH flow) or the Davco 382 (180GPH flow) would either be a good replacement. If you went with the smaller Davco 243 with 60 GPH flow would be starving the M-11 IMHO. You can pick up a used Davco off eBay or out of a truck wrecking yard and give it a good cleaning with new filter for about half price of a new one in the box so shop around.
Mike
Thanks Mike,
I definitely WANT a Primary fuel/water separator that I can get filters for that are standard and easy to acquire, plus spares on-board. A bad fuel load and stuck on the road searching for obscure filters would not be good. I'm a bit nervous after having gone go NAPA and now have had two of their brand filters that didn't fit.
I found last night a Donaldson site that had the filter specs, so I now have an idea about the threads, etc. Looks like this is a primary fuel/water filter used for Cummins applications. I now have to figure out if I have a corrupted base and make a decision about the changeout.
Jeff
I will add my nickles' worth of free advice. On my 96, I developed a leak at the fuel line from the primary to the engine. I removed the original setup which was located in my engine battery bay. I moved the primary filter assembly to the rear of my engine compartment so that I could stand up instead of crawling on my knees. I used the Racor 790/30 set up. I replaced the primer button of the original with the new button. Had to drill 1 new mounting hole. lWhen I broke down last fall in NM, I thought that I had gotten bad fuel. Took longer to drive to the Napa for a filter (5 miles away) than it did to change it out. My problem wasn't bad fuel.
This might be the best modification that I have ever done for my coach. When I took the coach out of storage 2 weeks ago, I hit the primer button for 20 seconds +/- and she cranked for maybe 5 seconds and fired right up.
Nothing against the other systems many on the forum use and recommend theirs, but I haven't been sorry with my choice.
Larry
As I have written before I am very pleased with my change to a Parker/Racor 790R30 and I would recommend you do the same.
Totally agree. Put one on my sisters coach some years back, has given great service and the prime function is worth its weight in gold.
Also, if the filter has two "O" rings make sure that the smaller inner O ring from the old filter has been removed from the mandrel based threads, sometimes hard to see, and that your not trying to compress 2 "O" rings with the new filter installation.
I second Mike on that. I have the racor 790. Had to rebuild it last year but it's a great filter. Looked at the Davco and almost purchased one. Either would do you fine. Just make sure it's the correct flow.
Don't much like the location over the start batteries though.
I thought the Racor has a built in pump? Auto?
The Parker Racor 790R30 has a built-in pump. I haven't seen one that's automatic. Mine is manually controlled.
Greetings all,
I think that the most prudent action would be to remove what is installed and go for the Parker/Racor unit, the 790R30 as suggested. I think that the screw threads on the mandrel base are compromised. The mounting position of the current setup and fuel hoses are at the rear of the M11 up high and a convenient easy place to change filters.
Anyone have any experience with the Racor 490R30 unit? It's the exact same filter and flow rate as the electric prime model 790R30, but has the manual prime botton. Might save me from mounting the control box and bringing over a fused 12v line.
Thanks, Jeff
I am not familiar with the 490R30 unit, but it looks as if you would need to manually press the button to prime. I can envision having to push that button many, many times in order to prime it. Consider the very long line from the fuel tank to the filter. In the long run I think the one-time effort in mounting the control box and running the fused line would be well worth it!
Jeff,
Unless it is a misprint on the Parker Racor website, the manual model ports are 3/8" while the ones on the electric model are 7/8" and, are different style. You will want to make sure the manual model is not restrictive-- sorry, I am not conversant on comparing actual ID of the two styles.
http://ph.parker.com/us/en/diesel-fuel-filter-spin-on/490r30
http://ph.parker.com/us/en/spin-on-filter-pump-systems/790r30-12v-dc-pump
#490R30 Port Size: 3/8"-18 NPTF (SAE J476)
#790R30 Port Size: 7/8"-14 UNF
Wow, good catch Brett. I spoke with the Racor Tech Support Rep. this afternoon, he indicated they were virtually the same model and use the same filter media, other than than of course manual push button prime verse electric prime. I put another call in for the Tech Support Rep. to clarify the documentation. If the ports are that much smaller, I agree it would be a restrictive flow rate.
Jeff
Monaco used the 790/30 on their coaches
When I put on my 730 pump, the factory sent me a 430 instead. It was a couple hundred dollars less, but wasn't what I wanted. I sent it back and got the 730. I used the same power wire from the prime button in the engine bay from the old Winn system. I love the electric prime. It was worth the extra money for me. Parker Racor was also very good to work with. No problem with the exchange. They apologized for the error even though I was the one who ordered the wrong unit.
Larry
Hi Brett, The Tech Support Rep just called back. He indicated that the connectors and port sizes are indeed sized as the spec sheet states. When asked about restrictive flow rates, the answer was No Restrictions. Both "assemblies" or models are rated for 90 GPH. He assured either unit will function the same for our application, just a decision about manual prime verse electric prime.
I have to check the size and thread of the fuel line connectors that are currently on our U320, the fuel line hoses going up to the installed primary filter are not that big... The path of least resistance to replace the current primary filter situation is how I'd like to proceed. The power wires are no longer there, I suppose I could pull 12V off the start battery buss bars and in-line fuse.
The Racor solution seems to be the correct choice here, just need to evaluate which is easier to install. Although I've been very lucky with fuel, I will carry spares of both the primary and secondary filters.
This is a great forum, thanks to everyone for pointing me to the solution options, the details and especially the cross checking that Brett did! Very Thankful!
Jeff
Hopefully, someone will post the ID difference-- as they are different types of connections-- it was just the 3/8" vs 7/8" that caught my eye.
If I remeber correctly I got adapters to go up to the 7/8". The guy at NAPA was very adept at making the right connections. They will fabricate hydraulic hoses here in town so he knew right where to go make up the pieces.
Larry
3/8 pipe dia. is close to 7/8 unc
I think that there is 12 volts at the remote start that will power the switch for the racor
OK, Racor 790R30 assembly, plus a spare filter on order... Should have it early next week. Problem solved. Will post pictures when complete.
Jeff