Title: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on October 30, 2010, 12:46:25 am
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on October 30, 2010, 12:46:25 am
Dave,
Kinda like this?
Neal
Kinda like this?
Neal
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave Head on October 30, 2010, 01:22:23 am
Post by: Dave Head on October 30, 2010, 01:22:23 am
Looks like it will keel over in a stiff wind - kinda like a fainting goat...
Guess they are shooting for the H3/Newell crowd now.
The H3 guy I spoke to today said he could literally drive all day long and be fresh as a daisy.
James said his XL was like riding in a limo, when you take the 45 feet, the tag, the IFS and an ISRI seat...
Guess they are shooting for the H3/Newell crowd now.
The H3 guy I spoke to today said he could literally drive all day long and be fresh as a daisy.
James said his XL was like riding in a limo, when you take the 45 feet, the tag, the IFS and an ISRI seat...
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Michelle on October 30, 2010, 10:51:04 am
Post by: Michelle on October 30, 2010, 10:51:04 am
Looks like it will keel over in a stiff wind - kinda like a fainting goat...
It is the ultimate behemoth when you're used to being around a U or GV coach. Got to see them attaching the front end cap on our factory tour with Tyle a little over a week ago. They had to modify the building to accommodate the height.... Those "Caution - 13' 6" Under Clearance Turnpike Structures" signs on I-295 in Maine would give one quite the case of nerves in a 13' 3" tall coach.
Michelle
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave Head on October 30, 2010, 11:46:00 am
Post by: Dave Head on October 30, 2010, 11:46:00 am
That reminds me of a funny we saw early this year. We were coming into Dallas from OK on 75, transitioning to 635 - going over the new freeway
'multilevel' over (and over and under) passes.
The first underpass sign said 'height' 16' 5" - over the next quarter mile or so there were 4 more underpass signs (same road, no joins) - ALL INCREASING! I started laughing and Starr asked what I was laughing about. I pointed out that if you were over 16'5" the other warning signs really didn't matter.
Probably a state or federal law, but still pretty darned stupid...
'multilevel' over (and over and under) passes.
The first underpass sign said 'height' 16' 5" - over the next quarter mile or so there were 4 more underpass signs (same road, no joins) - ALL INCREASING! I started laughing and Starr asked what I was laughing about. I pointed out that if you were over 16'5" the other warning signs really didn't matter.
Probably a state or federal law, but still pretty darned stupid...
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: BobW on October 30, 2010, 03:49:15 pm
Post by: BobW on October 30, 2010, 03:49:15 pm
Yesterday, I spoke to Lance Hays about this upcoming model and asked if they were going after the Newell customer. He said that they wanted to give the Phenix owners something to trade up to. He expected that the price would still be 25% below a Newell
Bob
2000 40 ft U270
Scion Xb
at FOT until 11-2-10
Bob
2000 40 ft U270
Scion Xb
at FOT until 11-2-10
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: PatC on October 30, 2010, 03:54:44 pm
Post by: PatC on October 30, 2010, 03:54:44 pm
Those "Caution - 13' 6" Under Clearance Turnpike Structures" signs on I-295 in Maine would give one quite the case of nerves in a 13' 3" tall coach.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: John S on October 31, 2010, 08:58:22 am
Post by: John S on October 31, 2010, 08:58:22 am
Flat floor and a different look. I think out west it will be a fine thing but there are 12' 8" bridges around here all over. In fact the Skyline Drive has one at 12' 8" and that is not the only one I see. I think a new XL2 Prevost is 12' 7" but now FT is entering into the H3 range of 13' 3" . It will give a more residential feel to the coach but at the expense of always looking up I think. I wonder though, what the new Phenix guys are saying. I just bought the top of the line last year and they have a new one. Lance may have something there. It may also make the price of the trade ins go down a bit. Most of the prices in the RV market have cratered and they had a 4% decrease in shipments so even over poor numbers they are not improving in the class A market. Oh well, time will tell. I do want to see one of these though. It should be pretty nice inside.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Hatfield on October 31, 2010, 10:37:54 am
Post by: George Hatfield on October 31, 2010, 10:37:54 am
Frankly, I think the new coach is a monstrosity. I really think FT is getting away from the some of the design principles that made them famous. Any additional convenience from the expanded space provided by these new coaches is more than countered by their height and total size. In addition, they are so complex that there is bound to be something that has gone awry most of the time. Heck... that is almost true with our ventage of FT. And what is the advantage of an all electric coach? I just don't get it. But then I'm not in the RV business.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Peter & Beth on October 31, 2010, 11:42:45 am
Post by: Peter & Beth on October 31, 2010, 11:42:45 am
Frankly, I think the new coach is a monstrosity. I really think FT is getting away from the some of the design principles that made them famous. Any additional convenience from the expanded space provided by these new coaches is more than countered by their height and total size. In addition, they are so complex that there is bound to be something that has gone awry most of the time. Heck... that is almost true with our ventage of FT. And what is the advantage of an all electric coach? I just don't get it. But then I'm not in the RV business.
You're absolutely right. Maybe the Nimbus will remain more in line with the traditional modern motorhome utility. If Foretravel wants to capture a different market niche, that's fine. I just think that getting back to 3 coach price ranges would sell more units. Foretravel needs that 3rd coach that is simpler w/o so many added expensive items that many high end RV'ers want. But, maybe the management thinks that they'll leave that type of coach to someone else to keep sellling.
And, what about advancing to new technologies to improve weight and fuel economy?
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on October 31, 2010, 12:08:06 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on October 31, 2010, 12:08:06 pm
I agree with George (the other) and Peter. Here are my thoughts on how Foretravel should operate their business.
We all know or at least can imagine how difficult it must be to acquire a business and then enter a serious economic downturn. Most companies look for ways to increase the revenue stream. Certainly repairs and renovations have helped maintain the Foretravel income stream.
I have to assume that ownership has done some market research and believes that bigger and more expensive is better. I wonder if they also looked past sales records to see what percentage of sales were for the U270 and U295? Those records have to be an indicator of future sales.
So I wonder just how much a bigger and more expensive coach that fewer customers can buy will add to their revenue stream.
I like the various "trim levels" in a vehicle. The automotive industry has been doing it for decades with great success.
That's my two cents worth.
We all know or at least can imagine how difficult it must be to acquire a business and then enter a serious economic downturn. Most companies look for ways to increase the revenue stream. Certainly repairs and renovations have helped maintain the Foretravel income stream.
I have to assume that ownership has done some market research and believes that bigger and more expensive is better. I wonder if they also looked past sales records to see what percentage of sales were for the U270 and U295? Those records have to be an indicator of future sales.
So I wonder just how much a bigger and more expensive coach that fewer customers can buy will add to their revenue stream.
I like the various "trim levels" in a vehicle. The automotive industry has been doing it for decades with great success.
That's my two cents worth.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: John S on October 31, 2010, 12:17:05 pm
Post by: John S on October 31, 2010, 12:17:05 pm
Sales are off across the board. The increase you might see in percentage terms is still a drop in the buck compared to where we were. There are not many manufacturers even producing full bore right now, in fact most are just barely putting out units. The margin to build a FT be it a Nimbus or Phenix is the difference. The cost of the electronic is a bit more but the 200K plus difference is not all made up in engine and electric blinds. I think the Nimbus is not as profitable and it will be too hard to compete with those platforms at the price point.
I do think they are going to be too high in price for what they offer. I like my Ft but in looking at bus conversions you are hitting the new price of those. I know Texas Custom Coachworks will build me a new Prevost conversion with no slides for well under what a phenix is listed for so that is going to be a limiting issue. I guess time will tell.
I do think they are going to be too high in price for what they offer. I like my Ft but in looking at bus conversions you are hitting the new price of those. I know Texas Custom Coachworks will build me a new Prevost conversion with no slides for well under what a phenix is listed for so that is going to be a limiting issue. I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on October 31, 2010, 12:28:29 pm
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on October 31, 2010, 12:28:29 pm
Trade up to a new model ? How many Phenix owners can there be ? And how many of those will be trading up ? Looks to me like a small market.
It also looks like there are those who really believe that they can increase profit by raising prices instead of raising volume, and decreasing costs. American business at its best ?
Good luck to all of them.
It also looks like there are those who really believe that they can increase profit by raising prices instead of raising volume, and decreasing costs. American business at its best ?
Good luck to all of them.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Kent Speers on October 31, 2010, 12:47:30 pm
Post by: Kent Speers on October 31, 2010, 12:47:30 pm
Well I have at least two cents worth. I watched and participated in numerous buyouts and mergers. The biggest problem I saw was that the new owners forgot the essence of the company's they purchased. A company's essence can not be seen in the numbers the accountants analyze. Sometimes the essence is the personality of the person that built the company and sometimes it is a transferable trait or attitude. Recognizing the essence of a company is intuitive and essential to success. Inability to consider anything but numbers (greed) is why, although its not publicized, I believe part of this recession is due to many of the acquisitions and mergers of the 90's. See it really is Clinton's fault. (oops! politics, scratch that)
I could go in to dozens of examples but we may be seeing this very phenomena at Foretravel. The new owners probably convinced themselves that Newell was a good business model to help recession proof the company since the people that buy Newels are usually not affected by the vagary's of the general economy. All the company management can see is the mistakes that were made by the previous management of Foretravel. They don't recognize that what they really need to do is figure out how to better market the essence of Foretravel that made it the great producer of motorhomes it was in the past.
In my humble opinion, the safety, durability, longevity, reliability, quality and customer concern were what made Foretravel the best in the business. They lacked a little flash aesthetically, but why not build on the great foundation that was Foretravel instead of trying to turn it into a Newell. Each company serves a niche but the traditional Foretravel way opens the door to a much larger market if they add a little pizazz to the aesthetics and stay with the basics. People that buy Newells and Busses buy them because they are the most expensive which makes ownership exclusive. At their price point, building a coach priced 10 or 20 percent cheaper won't draw many of those ultra high end customers away. Go ahead and build a Newell type coach if you must but don't abandon the one what brung ya to the party.
Foretravel Management, we love our brand. Don't screw it up.
I could go in to dozens of examples but we may be seeing this very phenomena at Foretravel. The new owners probably convinced themselves that Newell was a good business model to help recession proof the company since the people that buy Newels are usually not affected by the vagary's of the general economy. All the company management can see is the mistakes that were made by the previous management of Foretravel. They don't recognize that what they really need to do is figure out how to better market the essence of Foretravel that made it the great producer of motorhomes it was in the past.
In my humble opinion, the safety, durability, longevity, reliability, quality and customer concern were what made Foretravel the best in the business. They lacked a little flash aesthetically, but why not build on the great foundation that was Foretravel instead of trying to turn it into a Newell. Each company serves a niche but the traditional Foretravel way opens the door to a much larger market if they add a little pizazz to the aesthetics and stay with the basics. People that buy Newells and Busses buy them because they are the most expensive which makes ownership exclusive. At their price point, building a coach priced 10 or 20 percent cheaper won't draw many of those ultra high end customers away. Go ahead and build a Newell type coach if you must but don't abandon the one what brung ya to the party.
Foretravel Management, we love our brand. Don't screw it up.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Peter & Beth on October 31, 2010, 12:59:00 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on October 31, 2010, 12:59:00 pm
Kent, you're right-on. Does anyone remember that Foretravel was probably the last one to the party when adding the room slides? The old management never rushed to add the latest "stuff" until the engineering was tested & proven. (In the case of slides, it remains a work-in-progress...sadly).
It seems that each model year something major is being added/changed. It appears there's a hunt for something evasive in the coach lineup?
It seems that each model year something major is being added/changed. It appears there's a hunt for something evasive in the coach lineup?
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Bill Willett on October 31, 2010, 04:47:44 pm
Post by: Bill Willett on October 31, 2010, 04:47:44 pm
My 2 cent's, after talking to Jame's at Xtreme, he and Ray Fore talked abut changes in the Foretravel coach lineup, Jame's thought was to keep the U270 as the entry level coach, do away with the U295, keep the U 320 as the first upgrade and buy Prevost shells for the upgrade from the U320, sounds like it wood have been a workable plan,can you imagine a Foretravel Prevost.
Bill Willett
Bill Willett
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Peter & Beth on October 31, 2010, 05:44:48 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on October 31, 2010, 05:44:48 pm
My 2 cent's, after talking to Jame's at Xtreme, he and Ray Fore talked abut changes in the Foretravel coach lineup, Jame's thought was to keep the U270 as the entry level coach, do away with the U295, keep the U 320 as the first upgrade and buy Prevost shells for the upgrade from the U320, sounds like it wood have been a workable plan,can you imagine a Foretravel Prevost.
Bill Willett
That just makes too much sense! The new management, if intent on changing model designation, could have renamed the U270 "Nimbus", and the U320 "Phenix". The Prevost conversion could have been named...(you pick the best name).
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Kent Speers on October 31, 2010, 06:55:33 pm
Post by: Kent Speers on October 31, 2010, 06:55:33 pm
Wow, a Prevost/Foretravel. That sounds like the ultimate. Foretravel, are you listening?
You might consider an owners council including three or four of the Foretravel Old Timers and say six of the new model Foretravel owners. The perspectives you would get might surprise you. You can only learn by listening.
You might consider an owners council including three or four of the Foretravel Old Timers and say six of the new model Foretravel owners. The perspectives you would get might surprise you. You can only learn by listening.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: John S on October 31, 2010, 07:08:49 pm
Post by: John S on October 31, 2010, 07:08:49 pm
My 2 cent's, after talking to Jame's at Xtreme, he and Ray Fore talked abut changes in the Foretravel coach lineup, Jame's thought was to keep the U270 as the entry level coach, do away with the U295, keep the U 320 as the first upgrade and buy Prevost shells for the upgrade from the U320, sounds like it wood have been a workable plan,can you imagine a Foretravel Prevost.
Bill Willett
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Tim Fiedler on October 31, 2010, 07:16:24 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on October 31, 2010, 07:16:24 pm
They actaully did four 35' conversions in the 80's. One was recently for sale at philcooper.com
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave Head on October 31, 2010, 08:28:54 pm
Post by: Dave Head on October 31, 2010, 08:28:54 pm
Ray Fore did 3 or 4 Prevost conversions in the late 80s. I saw a 40 footer for sale a couple of years ago. Looked like a Prevost on the outside and a Foretravel on the inside...
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave Head on October 31, 2010, 08:30:24 pm
Post by: Dave Head on October 31, 2010, 08:30:24 pm
Tim was right - it was a 35!
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Gerry Vicha on October 31, 2010, 08:30:43 pm
Post by: Gerry Vicha on October 31, 2010, 08:30:43 pm
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Bill,
That just makes too much sense! The new management, if intent on changing model designation, could have renamed the U270 "Nimbus", and the U320 "Phenix". The Prevost conversion could have been named...(you pick the best name).
:)) :)) I would have to call it a "LIBERTY COACH" ;) ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Peter & Beth on October 31, 2010, 08:34:14 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on October 31, 2010, 08:34:14 pm
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Bill,
That just makes too much sense! The new management, if intent on changing model designation, could have renamed the U270 "Nimbus", and the U320 "Phenix". The Prevost conversion could have been named...(you pick the best name).
:)) :)) I would have to call it a "LIBERTY COACH" ;) ;)
Oops, it's already taken... ???
http://www.libertycoach.com/home.asp (http://www.libertycoach.com/home.asp)
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on October 31, 2010, 08:49:09 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on October 31, 2010, 08:49:09 pm
They could call it the "Pinnacle"
Geez. I better register that ASAP. That's a pretty good name
Geez. I better register that ASAP. That's a pretty good name
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Kent Speers on October 31, 2010, 08:58:37 pm
Post by: Kent Speers on October 31, 2010, 08:58:37 pm
I played pinochle once. Isn't it like cribbage?
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Kent Speers on October 31, 2010, 09:13:30 pm
Post by: Kent Speers on October 31, 2010, 09:13:30 pm
Oh! Please don't. My Karmas are the sunshine of my life. Where's your sense of humor Jeffery. Oh! I forgot, your're out of Bourbon.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Gerry Vicha on October 31, 2010, 10:31:57 pm
Post by: Gerry Vicha on October 31, 2010, 10:31:57 pm
Hi Peter, Ya! I know, :o I looked at some really nice used ones prior to my Foretravel, :'( :'( :'( but could not get the DW to keep working to pay for it. :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Michelle on October 31, 2010, 10:55:59 pm
Post by: Michelle on October 31, 2010, 10:55:59 pm
You might consider an owners council including three or four of the Foretravel Old Timers and say six of the new model Foretravel owners.
It does raise the question - who is the target market for new coach sales now and going forward?
Is it the current FT owner? Is it an entirely new customer base? The business model does seem to have changed - much more of a custom coach than in years 2004 and prior. As John mentioned, the profit margin on the newer coaches is greater, and it allows the factory to be viable with smaller volumes than in the past.
From our perspective, we (Steve and I) will probably always be purchasers of "pre-owned" just because of the depreciation factor. So simply from that we are not part of the target market - the factory needs to sell new coaches and we aren't planning to purchase new. We just hope that someone orders a coach with a design and floorplan we find attractive at the point in time we're ready for our next coach.
Michelle
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 01, 2010, 06:01:02 pm
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 01, 2010, 06:01:02 pm
well , does this new thing have a name yet ? sounds like a go have a look thing . next question , when ? ? ? wow just like a kid in a candy store .
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on November 01, 2010, 06:47:53 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on November 01, 2010, 06:47:53 pm
Brad,
I hear they are calling it Pinnacle.
I hear they are calling it Pinnacle.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Michelle on November 01, 2010, 07:04:10 pm
Post by: Michelle on November 01, 2010, 07:04:10 pm
well , does this new thing have a name yet ? sounds like a go have a look thing . next question , when ? ? ?
Prototype is on the FT line now, they are planning on an unveiling at the big Florida RV show in December (if I remember correctly) from what Tyle told us. I believe they have already received orders for a couple of them.
-M
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Brad Nerhus on November 01, 2010, 10:59:52 pm
Post by: Brad Nerhus on November 01, 2010, 10:59:52 pm
I wouldn't bet on Pinnacle for a name as Thor already made a gas model by that name.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on November 01, 2010, 11:01:34 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on November 01, 2010, 11:01:34 pm
Drats. I thought I had a winner with that one.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 02, 2010, 09:44:27 am
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 02, 2010, 09:44:27 am
wow , hope it matches my chrome plated wheelbarrow , the one with racing slicks .hugh ?
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: John S on November 02, 2010, 09:11:35 pm
Post by: John S on November 02, 2010, 09:11:35 pm
I will bet the name will be a foretravel. simple and what more can they do to make a better or bigger coach.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 02, 2010, 11:38:41 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 02, 2010, 11:38:41 pm
Yes on the Foretravel,
Bigger-YES, Better-Maybe, only time will tell.
Just glad to see Foretravel investing in the future makes our toys more desireable, unlike CC and others who have not survived.
FWIW
Dave
Bigger-YES, Better-Maybe, only time will tell.
Just glad to see Foretravel investing in the future makes our toys more desireable, unlike CC and others who have not survived.
FWIW
Dave
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on November 03, 2010, 08:03:39 am
Post by: George Stoltz on November 03, 2010, 08:03:39 am
Dave,
Your coach is in the same bay next to ours and Rance has already begun working his fine skills on your coach. Do you want me to take some photos?
George
Your coach is in the same bay next to ours and Rance has already begun working his fine skills on your coach. Do you want me to take some photos?
George
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Carol Savournin on November 03, 2010, 02:10:40 pm
Post by: Carol Savournin on November 03, 2010, 02:10:40 pm
I wouldn't bet on Pinnacle for a name as Thor already made a gas model by that name.
I would surely hate to see a coach like that called a Pinnacle. Just don't like the sound of that. Of course, I don't like the goofy spelling they went with for Phenix, either. They need some help with their naming skills.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Barry Beam on November 03, 2010, 02:20:40 pm
Post by: Barry Beam on November 03, 2010, 02:20:40 pm
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I wouldn't bet on Pinnacle for a name as Thor already made a gas model by that name.
I dont think they are still made.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on November 03, 2010, 03:44:39 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on November 03, 2010, 03:44:39 pm
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I would surely hate to see a coach like that called a Pinnacle. Just don't like the sound of that. Of course, I don't like the goofy spelling they went with for Phenix, either. They need some help with their naming skills.
I think that naming models is a real challenge. At lest Foretravel stayed away from aggressive names like "Intruder" and "Challenger"
or Pinnacle for a name as Thor already made a gas model by that name.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 03, 2010, 04:19:20 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 03, 2010, 04:19:20 pm
George, Yes,Thank you, I would appreciate some photos of the coach as it goes along. Also,you will recognize the colors, they are same as yours, just changed your maroon to a more red shade, other wise, the same colors, trust you do not mind.
Forgot to mention that the paint job on your coach is way way nicer than I would have guessed, and can see why everyone says it makes all other paint jobs look like a lessor job. :)) Just hope mine turns out as nice.
Going to add the new tail lights also, paint roof and fix my goof on front lower right side, thought the snow was light, how ever it was a clump of ice under the fresh snow
in a Wally World lot in Md.
A note update once in while would be great while your at Xtreme.
Thanks
Dave
Forgot to mention that the paint job on your coach is way way nicer than I would have guessed, and can see why everyone says it makes all other paint jobs look like a lessor job. :)) Just hope mine turns out as nice.
Going to add the new tail lights also, paint roof and fix my goof on front lower right side, thought the snow was light, how ever it was a clump of ice under the fresh snow
in a Wally World lot in Md.
A note update once in while would be great while your at Xtreme.
Thanks
Dave
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 03, 2010, 04:29:06 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 03, 2010, 04:29:06 pm
Dave
Great decisions, I love the painted roof and the new LED Taillights - just picked it up yesterday @ Xtreme. George and Sandy very nice in person, we had a great meal together last night.
Tim
Great decisions, I love the painted roof and the new LED Taillights - just picked it up yesterday @ Xtreme. George and Sandy very nice in person, we had a great meal together last night.
Tim
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on November 03, 2010, 05:11:55 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on November 03, 2010, 05:11:55 pm
Dave,
Send me your email and I will send the photos directly to you. This way you can send them to anyone else you care to and you will be able to open them into full screen images.
George
Send me your email and I will send the photos directly to you. This way you can send them to anyone else you care to and you will be able to open them into full screen images.
George
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Brad Nerhus on November 03, 2010, 10:16:10 pm
Post by: Brad Nerhus on November 03, 2010, 10:16:10 pm
Foretravel used Phenix partly because a Class B called Phoenix already existed also
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: txforetravel on November 04, 2010, 10:34:14 am
Post by: txforetravel on November 04, 2010, 10:34:14 am
So why does the new model need a specific name? Why not just call it a "Foretravel"? We have the GV, the Uxxx(270, 300, 320), Nimbus, Phenix. I really don't see a point in a "model" name. I say call it a foretravel and give each coach a unique number which FT already does.
Just my two cents worth! Oh and add an expresso machine as standard equipment! ;D
Just my two cents worth! Oh and add an expresso machine as standard equipment! ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on November 04, 2010, 11:34:43 am
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on November 04, 2010, 11:34:43 am
How about " EXPENSIVE " in Capital letters, that would be all the description needed. ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on November 04, 2010, 02:13:22 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on November 04, 2010, 02:13:22 pm
I think the issue here was to have some fun. Foretravel will do what they think is best.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 04, 2010, 09:12:04 pm
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 04, 2010, 09:12:04 pm
i am willing to bet 10 bucks that it will be called ------------yz-45 , or something like that . doubt a name is in the works just 2 letters and 45 any takers ? i don't have a billy goat just yet , but i know where i can get one , so no shortage of bucks . your turn george s. !!
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on November 04, 2010, 09:27:31 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on November 04, 2010, 09:27:31 pm
Dave,
I think your guess is a pretty good one.
I think your guess is a pretty good one.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave Head on November 04, 2010, 11:17:57 pm
Post by: Dave Head on November 04, 2010, 11:17:57 pm
My take? Since they will build to order except for 1 or 2 show coaches a year they will make money. Prevost converters and Newell are the only other game in town. Country Coach and Blue Bird are gone, Parliament is hanging on mainly with used coaches, Liberty and Millenium are hanging in there and Amadas took over Featherlite. Any other converters are really, really niche. Newell builds about 25 coaches a year, and I would be surprised if the converters output more than 50 total that don't go direct to Nashville or Nascar. Foretravel can do 5 or 6 a year and make a ton of money on them.
The Phenix has proven to the upper crust that Foretravel can really build a high end coach. I'm sorry if I upset some, but if you look at the interiors of 04 and 05 U320s they were dated and not to a high end standard. Their designers were 10+ years out (to lunch). Now you have quality tile and wood floors with inlay designs, marble/granite counters, free standing bowl sinks and fabrics that didn't come from Rooms to Go cast offs. TVs on lifts, built behind mirrors and quality CAN bus control systems for all functions.
So they build a taller coach - what's that going to cost them - $60K more? If they are smart they will go with the new LG modular heat pump systems in the basement - quiet, high SERE and low power consumption. Slap 10+ 200W solar panels on the unobstructed roof.
Good insulation and some 'green marketing' to make owners feel better. Dump the Aquahot for a quality ducted heating system because 1.5 million dollar coaches only boondock running their Onan 17.5 KW whisper quiet green system.
You can BET that the first 5 to 10 coaches will be the best thing they have EVER built. They can't afford to get a bad rep in this class.
For people like Starr and I a 5-6 year old Nimbus will be all we ever want - but they market this high end coach well intro'd into a growing market and it will swell Foretravel values and sales to mid 90s levels. Remember, the mid to higher end players are largely wiped out too (Monaco, Fleetwood, HR, CC)!
The Phenix has proven to the upper crust that Foretravel can really build a high end coach. I'm sorry if I upset some, but if you look at the interiors of 04 and 05 U320s they were dated and not to a high end standard. Their designers were 10+ years out (to lunch). Now you have quality tile and wood floors with inlay designs, marble/granite counters, free standing bowl sinks and fabrics that didn't come from Rooms to Go cast offs. TVs on lifts, built behind mirrors and quality CAN bus control systems for all functions.
So they build a taller coach - what's that going to cost them - $60K more? If they are smart they will go with the new LG modular heat pump systems in the basement - quiet, high SERE and low power consumption. Slap 10+ 200W solar panels on the unobstructed roof.
Good insulation and some 'green marketing' to make owners feel better. Dump the Aquahot for a quality ducted heating system because 1.5 million dollar coaches only boondock running their Onan 17.5 KW whisper quiet green system.
You can BET that the first 5 to 10 coaches will be the best thing they have EVER built. They can't afford to get a bad rep in this class.
For people like Starr and I a 5-6 year old Nimbus will be all we ever want - but they market this high end coach well intro'd into a growing market and it will swell Foretravel values and sales to mid 90s levels. Remember, the mid to higher end players are largely wiped out too (Monaco, Fleetwood, HR, CC)!
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: J. D. Stevens on November 04, 2010, 11:18:24 pm
Post by: J. D. Stevens on November 04, 2010, 11:18:24 pm
I really like U270, U295, U320, etc. They are easy to spell, easy to say, and descriptive of some kind of hierarchy of features. However, they may too plain to sell anything in the current world of hyperbole. (Hmm, Hyperbole ... ??)
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 05, 2010, 06:08:50 am
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 05, 2010, 06:08:50 am
dave head , i think you have this thing pegged right between the eyes . ! anything else will make it have a short life in this very narrow market . i also know the new ownership guys are sharp as tacks so we can feel good about this up swing model . it will help the whole line up , and drag used units up with it .there has been some long and heavy thinking gone into this move , i expect only the pest .
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: John Lang on November 10, 2010, 09:02:38 pm
Post by: John Lang on November 10, 2010, 09:02:38 pm
Kent Speers hit the nail squarely on the head a week or so ago. A company has a heart and soul. Too often that is lost when a company is sold.
The Foretravel (company) of today bears little resemblance to the company when CM ran it. Neither do the coaches. I have wished MANY times I had kept my 2000 U320 and put $30,000 into updating it, rather than buying the 07 Nimbus I have today. Same comments can be applied to the Motorcade Club and to the service facility.
Regards to all,
John Lang
The Foretravel (company) of today bears little resemblance to the company when CM ran it. Neither do the coaches. I have wished MANY times I had kept my 2000 U320 and put $30,000 into updating it, rather than buying the 07 Nimbus I have today. Same comments can be applied to the Motorcade Club and to the service facility.
Regards to all,
John Lang
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: esaulten on November 11, 2010, 11:21:35 am
Post by: esaulten on November 11, 2010, 11:21:35 am
John I don't agree with you, regarding the New vs. the Old owners. If Lyle didn't step in the company would have closed down within a few weeks at most. They had no more money and were building coaches with parts from the parts dept because they could not get new parts from vendors because of lack of payment. Did they change things? Yes. Do I agree with all the changes? No. Its their money and the continuous infusion by Mr. Miller has let them stay in business. Assuming things actually change in the near future they should be all right. The message should be that we as owner users offer advice and true feedback that they can take seriously or simply ignore, its their decision. I have had four Foretravels in 8 years. Each time the newer unit surpassed my expectations of the old. My 2008 by far is the best in quality and performance. just my opinion. Elliot
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on November 11, 2010, 03:41:08 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on November 11, 2010, 03:41:08 pm
I have owned a small company and met a payroll for 16 years. Let me tell you that the possibility of going out of business because of a lack of sales was absolutely terrifying. But when times got tough, unpopular decisions had to be made. I really don't know the real story of what went on at the factory when the new owners took over, but it is their money and their company and they had to put the legacy aside and do what they thought was in the best interests of those whose money was at risk. Some of us may not agree with the decision they made and don't like to see changes that appear to reduce the quality we know. But it is their money and their company.
It's also a free country because of what has been so dearly given by so many veterans, and because of that we get to say what we think. It is also so great that this site is not owned by a company that might edit comments.
It's also a free country because of what has been so dearly given by so many veterans, and because of that we get to say what we think. It is also so great that this site is not owned by a company that might edit comments.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 11, 2010, 03:57:38 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 11, 2010, 03:57:38 pm
I don't know what year the body change was made to seamless automotive front/end caps, but when I purchased the 97 U270 in May 2003, there were two new coaches in for rework of this area. I figure this warranty item cost quite a bit to make right. I'm sure adjustments were made in manufacturing to fix this problem "prontissimo".
I think the changes in model designation and appearance are more modern. I still wish there was room in the lineup for a U270 type level coach with slides optional so as to keep the prices down.
As to the quality of the new coaches...only time will tell. Obviously, John is not real happy. And, yes; I agree that with a Foretravel, it pays to invest in upgrades/renovations as the investment needed to upgrade to a newer coach...to me...does not make sense when the frame & coach works are of such high quality.
FWIW
I think the changes in model designation and appearance are more modern. I still wish there was room in the lineup for a U270 type level coach with slides optional so as to keep the prices down.
As to the quality of the new coaches...only time will tell. Obviously, John is not real happy. And, yes; I agree that with a Foretravel, it pays to invest in upgrades/renovations as the investment needed to upgrade to a newer coach...to me...does not make sense when the frame & coach works are of such high quality.
FWIW
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 11, 2010, 04:09:49 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 11, 2010, 04:09:49 pm
On the topic of lower cost U-270 like coaches, it would be problematic for Foretravel to produce them with reasonable gross margins to the bottom line at the drastically reduced unit volume going through the factory. The running gear and systems cast is probably similar to the Phenix from a COGS standpoint, and while some $$ are saved with leaving out or making optional certain items, the low end models are probably marginally profitable after allocation of overhead. (Recalling that while overhead has shrunk, the number of units has fallen precipitously, I suspect that there is a greater overhead allocation per unit today than when the product was north of 150 units per year.)
This is probably why Foretravel is looking to go up-market from the Phenix towards the bus conversion market, rather down market to something below the Nimbus. The unit volume is small but with the high price tag the gross margin contribution per unit can better meet the profit requirements per unit to make the business model valid.
Two logical things accrue from this phenomenon. Our older coaches will probably have a slower rate of depreciation than if the factory was still pumping out 200 coaches per year, and therefore it will make better economic sense to do the upgrades you want to the 2000 - 2004 coaches, since the upgrades will still represent a reasonable % of the Actual Cash Value of the coach.
This is probably why Foretravel is looking to go up-market from the Phenix towards the bus conversion market, rather down market to something below the Nimbus. The unit volume is small but with the high price tag the gross margin contribution per unit can better meet the profit requirements per unit to make the business model valid.
Two logical things accrue from this phenomenon. Our older coaches will probably have a slower rate of depreciation than if the factory was still pumping out 200 coaches per year, and therefore it will make better economic sense to do the upgrades you want to the 2000 - 2004 coaches, since the upgrades will still represent a reasonable % of the Actual Cash Value of the coach.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 11, 2010, 04:18:47 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 11, 2010, 04:18:47 pm
On the topic of lower cost U-270 like coaches, it would be problematic for Foretravel to produce them with reasonable gross margins to the bottom line at the drastically reduced unit volume going through the factory. The running gear and systems cast is probably similar to the Phenix from a COGS standpoint, and while some $$ are saved with leaving out or making optional certain items, the low end models are probably marginally profitable after allocation of overhead. (Recalling that while overhead has shrunk, the number of units has fallen precipitously, I suspect that there is a greater overhead allocation per unit today than when the product was north of 150 units per year.)
I think that a lighter coach will not need the super high output drive trains the 42/45 ft coaches with huge GVWR require...that's real money. Also, in my view, a business the size of FOT, once the break-even point is met, any additional volume of sales at any profit, will add to the bottom line as well as adding jobs to the community, etc.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Michelle on November 11, 2010, 04:40:41 pm
Post by: Michelle on November 11, 2010, 04:40:41 pm
On the topic of lower cost U-270 like coaches, it would be problematic for Foretravel to produce them with reasonable gross margins to the bottom line at the drastically reduced unit volume going through the factory.
Particularly when development costs need to be factored in.
On our factory tour last month, we learned the Nimbus line was going to experience floor plan changes as a result of new engines and new cooling packages from Cummins. They didn't even know yet what the cooling was going to look like. That engineering cost has to be spread across the number of coaches being sold. For a low margin, low volume model it would be difficult to make the numbers work within the market price target.
-M
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 11, 2010, 04:49:00 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 11, 2010, 04:49:00 pm
Michelle -
That was pretty much the conversation I had with Greg Amys at Texas Motor Speedway this weekend. On a positive note, they are feeling much better about their business model even at the current lower volumes. And yes, they do like to build and sell Nimbus's, as they do produce profit and absorb overhead allocation, but I didn't hear a lot of enthusiasm for going down market from the Nimbus.
Tim
That was pretty much the conversation I had with Greg Amys at Texas Motor Speedway this weekend. On a positive note, they are feeling much better about their business model even at the current lower volumes. And yes, they do like to build and sell Nimbus's, as they do produce profit and absorb overhead allocation, but I didn't hear a lot of enthusiasm for going down market from the Nimbus.
Tim
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave Head on November 11, 2010, 05:24:15 pm
Post by: Dave Head on November 11, 2010, 05:24:15 pm
I'm surprised that they have to do much redesign. When I saw the first year Nimbus/Phenix, the 'bay' in the Nimbus was the same size as the Phenix, and the ISM looked like a 2 liter four banger in comparison to the ISX. It was like the difference between a 225 slant 6 and a 426 Hemi...
I believe they want to position themselves as a spread below and above Newell. I can see no reason to go down market. Thor, Newmar, Winnebago etc are all champing at the bit to expend production. Maintain the exclusivity. The money they make off a custom coach has to be huge...
I believe they want to position themselves as a spread below and above Newell. I can see no reason to go down market. Thor, Newmar, Winnebago etc are all champing at the bit to expend production. Maintain the exclusivity. The money they make off a custom coach has to be huge...
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: MAZ on November 12, 2010, 08:47:42 pm
Post by: MAZ on November 12, 2010, 08:47:42 pm
I noticed the new Foretravel is going to be called IH-45 according to the web site. I didnt see where anyone posted that. Not sure. Just FYI...
Regards , Mark
Regards , Mark
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Michelle on November 12, 2010, 08:55:23 pm
Post by: Michelle on November 12, 2010, 08:55:23 pm
Good spotting, Mark!
Here's the announcement from Foretravel's website
http://www.foretravel.com/inc/view-news.php?id=30 (http://www.foretravel.com/inc/view-news.php?id=30)
Here's the announcement from Foretravel's website
http://www.foretravel.com/inc/view-news.php?id=30 (http://www.foretravel.com/inc/view-news.php?id=30)
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave Head on November 12, 2010, 09:00:55 pm
Post by: Dave Head on November 12, 2010, 09:00:55 pm
International Harvester??? Oh, the horror! I spent some serious times partying in a Travelall. We called it the flying nun!
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on November 12, 2010, 09:05:53 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on November 12, 2010, 09:05:53 pm
Interesting. I look forward to seeing photos after it is officially unveiled.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 14, 2010, 06:31:34 am
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 14, 2010, 06:31:34 am
---------ok gamblers , looks like my 10 buck bet is the winner ! time to pay up !! oops no takers , well sometime you just can't get it done . IH-45 it will get it. our great FT co is on the move . that helps keep the value of our older coaches in a good light . look at the SOB gang and what happened to them . makes me feel good all over .i'll lave a look . my 06 is fine but 2012 is [ mo-betta ] !! maybe a change at the white house will cap this thing off a big winner.!
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 15, 2010, 11:42:25 am
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 15, 2010, 11:42:25 am
The IH45 sounds very interesting, out of my budget, however I will be back in Nac in early Dec to retrieve the 01 320 at Xtreme. SO hopefully will be able to get a sneak look at it, maybe a pix or two.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Michelle on November 15, 2010, 11:53:54 am
Post by: Michelle on November 15, 2010, 11:53:54 am
Sounds great, Dave! We weren't allowed to take any photos in October, since it hadn't been unveiled yet (having worked in R&D, we both completely understood this). Hopefully your Nac visit will coincide with the factory reveal so you can get photos of the finished product.
Michelle
Michelle
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 15, 2010, 12:48:12 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 15, 2010, 12:48:12 pm
Steve, Seems I read somewhere that it will be on display at FT in Dec then on to The Fl show later in month, so hoping to get a shot or two while at Nac. I expect a Newell attack without the axle weight problem known to be an issue with Newell (Hopefully not an issue with FT).
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave Head on November 15, 2010, 05:55:41 pm
Post by: Dave Head on November 15, 2010, 05:55:41 pm
Since the fl show is in early to mid Jan I don't see it leaving until new years at least.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Michelle on November 15, 2010, 06:26:32 pm
Post by: Michelle on November 15, 2010, 06:26:32 pm
Steve, Seems I read somewhere that it will be on display at FT in Dec then on to The Fl show later in month, so hoping to get a shot or two while at Nac.
It's in the announcement -
The first IH-45 will be previewed at a factory reception in Nacogdoches, Texas, December, 2010. It will be officially debuted at the Florida RV SuperShow in Tampa, January 11-16, 2011.
I'm thinking a shot or two just won't do - take the camcorder and get us a YouTube video walk-around tour. What we saw a month ago had a definite residential feel, even as a work in progress.
Interesting that the announcement mentions 40 and 42 foot also being available. Wonder if they will be the IH-40 and IH-42. IH for Interior (or Increased) Height?
Googling the exterior design team mentioned in the release announcement, Eleven LLC (www.eleven.net (http://www.eleven.net)) is a Boston firm that appears to be an Industrial Design company (at least, that's what I think I'm getting from their website, it's rather, errr..., artsy); Motive Industries (www.motiveind.com (http://www.motiveind.com)) is an Alberta, Canada vehicle development firm.
I expect a Newell attack without the axle weight problem known to be an issue with Newell
Tyle mentioned they put a strong emphasis on weight, CG, and CCC for this new coach for usability and handling.
Michelle
Title: I H -45
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 15, 2010, 06:28:50 pm
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 15, 2010, 06:28:50 pm
just had a chat with Curtis at FOT ,i ask him what does the I H stand for ? he said "it will be anounced at our meeting " i'am chomping at the bit to know . the big meeting is 11-16-2010 am. i'll post it soon asi find out .!!
Title: Re: I H -45
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 15, 2010, 06:46:30 pm
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 15, 2010, 06:46:30 pm
George S . i've been sending my little spy out at night . you know , the little green guy ,the one thats only 10 inches tall . well he reported back about the new I H -45 . said it has two and a half baths , a small hanger , a nice boat dock , other than that its a plain jane that will get up and haul ----- .yep . i'am dying to see it .
Title: Re: I H -45
Post by: George Stoltz on November 15, 2010, 06:50:31 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on November 15, 2010, 06:50:31 pm
Brad,
Your spies have been looking at the new Newell.
Your spies have been looking at the new Newell.
Title: Re: I H -45
Post by: Dave Head on November 15, 2010, 07:03:55 pm
Post by: Dave Head on November 15, 2010, 07:03:55 pm
Helicopter or blimp?
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Bill Willett on November 15, 2010, 07:08:35 pm
Post by: Bill Willett on November 15, 2010, 07:08:35 pm
Check in and setup for the Super Show starts on 1/6 at 8am. the Foretravel set up is on 1/7 in space 145 Expo Hall Noon to 5pm.
Bill Willett
Bill Willett
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 15, 2010, 07:43:55 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 15, 2010, 07:43:55 pm
What is all the mystery, IH-45 stands for Iron Horse 45, what else would retired RR men call their new baby. :)
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 16, 2010, 03:45:17 pm
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 16, 2010, 03:45:17 pm
Well Well -------the [ I H ] stands for?????????? IRON HORSE ,yes ,just got the straight skinnry from lance . like Dave posted ' ' what else are A bunch of rail road guys gona call thsir baby '"??? So we now have a big brother named ---------[ Iron Horse 45 ] i like that . it'll fly !!! Brad .
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on November 16, 2010, 03:52:30 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on November 16, 2010, 03:52:30 pm
Brad,
You can't be serious.
You can't be serious.
Title: The NEW Coach __--__--IRON HORSE -45
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 16, 2010, 04:22:32 pm
Post by: Brad Metzger (RIP) on November 16, 2010, 04:22:32 pm
the new baby is named . has a new diper, a full botltle ,it's IRON Horse -45 . how about that ? glad for our company , i hope a ton of money comes thier way . they have a hugh risk , here . just buying a washed out company is plenty of risk . they deserve a big pay back. i wish them well ! Brad
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 16, 2010, 04:29:17 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 16, 2010, 04:29:17 pm
George, Just imagine a large 4-8-8-4 Challenger air brushed down the side, front to rear. That would be awsome :o
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: txforetravel on November 16, 2010, 05:26:43 pm
Post by: txforetravel on November 16, 2010, 05:26:43 pm
http://www.american-rails.com/up-844.html (http://www.american-rails.com/up-844.html)
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 16, 2010, 06:05:41 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 16, 2010, 06:05:41 pm
Hi, Figured someone would comment on the Challenger instead of the Big Boy name. Yes Enjoyed the link to the 4-8-4 FEF Northern class. The good ole days indeed.
Not really a fitting air brush on the side of the IH45, but sounded interesting for the RR buffs.
Thanks
Not really a fitting air brush on the side of the IH45, but sounded interesting for the RR buffs.
Thanks
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Carol Savournin on November 16, 2010, 06:16:58 pm
Post by: Carol Savournin on November 16, 2010, 06:16:58 pm
Well, I'm not a "Railroad person" and I don't know what goes into naming new vehicles ... but if you are a company coming out of Texas ...full of ranchers and oil men ..., it stands to reason the anything with "Horse" in the name is gonna have appeal. I like it!
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Mike McFall on November 16, 2010, 06:51:52 pm
Post by: Mike McFall on November 16, 2010, 06:51:52 pm
Speaking of Railroads,,,,check out the latest movie now at the theater's....UNSTOPPABLE!!!!! Wow, it wore me out!!
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 17, 2010, 03:39:54 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 17, 2010, 03:39:54 pm
Mike,
I have to confess about the name of Iron Horse, it was just a free lance thought knowing the owners were ex rail road men, so what the he#!, Guess Iron Horse, little did I know that was what they had in mind. :o
I have to confess about the name of Iron Horse, it was just a free lance thought knowing the owners were ex rail road men, so what the he#!, Guess Iron Horse, little did I know that was what they had in mind. :o
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Bill Willett on November 17, 2010, 03:53:50 pm
Post by: Bill Willett on November 17, 2010, 03:53:50 pm
They need to paint a Norfolk and Western J on the side, or an NYC Hudson, Gee I think I will go get my trains out and play with them.
Title: Sneak Preview
Post by: txforetravel on December 10, 2010, 09:41:48 am
Post by: txforetravel on December 10, 2010, 09:41:48 am
Is anyone at the factory today, Dec 10th? There is a sneak preview going on for the new sibling of our's, the IH-45. If anyone is there and can comment that would be great. We could not make the trip over due to work related meetings today.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Michelle on December 10, 2010, 10:36:41 am
Post by: Michelle on December 10, 2010, 10:36:41 am
Is anyone at the factory today, Dec 10th? There is a sneak preview going on for the new sibling of our's, the IH-45. If anyone is there and can comment that would be great.
And photos, if allowed, please!
In fact, if there's anyone from the factory who would like to post photos, that's always welcome, too! :)
Michelle
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Peter & Beth on December 21, 2010, 01:31:27 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on December 21, 2010, 01:31:27 pm
Silly me, I just Googled "IH 45" for the heck of it to see if it would lead me to any sites making reference to the new coach. Most of the information linked to this "name" are related to Interstate Highway 45 in Texas, no less. But, once you did deeper down the list of sites, there are some referrencs to the coach that can be found.
So, now I'm confused about the potential etymology of the new coach's name...Confused, very... ???
So, now I'm confused about the potential etymology of the new coach's name...Confused, very... ???
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Chad and Judy on December 21, 2010, 01:59:28 pm
Post by: Chad and Judy on December 21, 2010, 01:59:28 pm
I've heard (here I imagine) IH stands for "Iron Horse" as Lyle and a partner come from the rail-road industry. For what that's worth?
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Michelle on December 21, 2010, 02:09:12 pm
Post by: Michelle on December 21, 2010, 02:09:12 pm
Silly me, I just Googled "IH 45" for the heck of it to see if it would lead me to any sites making reference to the new coach. Most of the information linked to this "name" are related to Interstate Highway 45 in Texas, no less.
If you add the word "Foretravel" to the search you'll get a more accurate list of sites. And you'll notice Number 4 is ForeForums ;D We do have the most complete collection of photos of the new coach thanks to the membership here.
Michelle
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Barry Beam on January 23, 2011, 02:54:38 pm
Post by: Barry Beam on January 23, 2011, 02:54:38 pm
Mike,
I have to confess about the name of Iron Horse, it was just a free lance thought knowing the owners were ex rail road men, so what the he#!, Guess Iron Horse, little did I know that was what they had in mind. :o
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on January 23, 2011, 03:20:47 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on January 23, 2011, 03:20:47 pm
I grew up in Illinois and occasionally rode some of the Illinois Central trains. I liked their logo. See photo. It is interesting to see what other railroad guys did with a cross section of a rail.
As to the name Iron Horse. I love it. It certainly describes the huge Cummins engine that powers the coach.
As to the name Iron Horse. I love it. It certainly describes the huge Cummins engine that powers the coach.
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Peter & Beth on January 23, 2011, 03:21:41 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on January 23, 2011, 03:21:41 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rail_profile.svg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rail_profile.svg)
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Michelle on January 23, 2011, 03:39:11 pm
Post by: Michelle on January 23, 2011, 03:39:11 pm
I don't know if anyone had noticed the "I" in the IH-45 logo is a cross section on a railroad rail
How about that! You can see it in the photo Barry & Cindy took
Michelle
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: George Stoltz on January 23, 2011, 04:37:30 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on January 23, 2011, 04:37:30 pm
I don't know if anyone had noticed the "I" in the IH-45 logo is a cross section on a railroad rail
How about that! You can see it in the photo Barry & Cindy took
Michelle
For many of us, Barry's photos is the first time we got to see the stylized I. Now we need a contest to name the type face. How about Nacogdoches?
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: Bill Willett on January 23, 2011, 05:15:40 pm
Post by: Bill Willett on January 23, 2011, 05:15:40 pm
Next thing you know, they will stuff a GMD 567 in it. ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming FT model
Post by: John S on March 15, 2011, 04:38:43 pm
Post by: John S on March 15, 2011, 04:38:43 pm
Well, I saw one of these at the factory the other week. It is tall tall tall but they were doing donuts in the parking lot between the coaches and the laundry room. It did not lean at all... Interesting idea and time will tell but it looks amazing and I hope they have a winner for then we all will win.