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Title: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Michelle on January 20, 2011, 05:19:38 pm
Not getting any younger here ::)
We're thinking of replacing the mattress in our coach. It's the standard kind. Thinking of getting either latex (what we have at home) or memory foam (Costco has some great deals).
Any idea how much the standard mattresses weigh? The memory foam ones are around 100 pounds for a queensize. Not sure how that would work on the bed lift for engine access.
Any other suggestions? Well, other than Sleep Number. We tried one when shopping for our home mattress and I didn't care for it.
Michelle
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Lewis Anderson on January 20, 2011, 05:44:26 pm
We changed to an air mattress a couple of years ago. This created two problems. The first mattress did not last long until we figured how to protect it from the claws of pets. The second is not yet a problem, more of a concern. We live at 8,000. If we do not remember to let some air out before leaving the lowlands, the mattress is certainly firm when we get home.
Raising the bed is no trouble. Usta hafta place a short piece of pvc to brace up the bed; now this is not necessary.
Andy1
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: J. D. Stevens on January 20, 2011, 05:49:25 pm
We replaced the "standard" inner spring mattress on our SOB with a custom made memory/foam latex short queen. We had to go custom because of the size. I also had to build a solid plywood frame to replace the (college dorm/army type) spring and metal mesh support.
The memory foam and plywood were heavy, but I could lift the bed by myself. The previous owner had placed a "safety stick" under the mattress to hold up the old mattress when it was up for access. It was useful for the old and new mattresses.
We really liked the custom mattress. We had it built at a factory in Houston. We specified length, width, thickness, and materials. We tried several model beds, and then chose the memory foam density, a latex layer, and a covering thickness. It was about $900 for a great mattress made to our specifications. Since it was a short queen, we couldn't transfer it to the FT.
We have an air bed in the U295. It is OK. I added a 3" memory foam topper, and it is now very comfortable for us.
The previous owners had to replace the original air bed after it exploded in the mountains. The air bed must be adjusted for altitude and temperature.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Scott Beard on January 20, 2011, 10:37:43 pm
We put in a Temper Pedic. We love it. Have one at home, at our weekend place and in the coach. You should check them out.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: PatC on January 20, 2011, 11:21:10 pm
We have one of these at home - BedInABox.com: Memory Foam Mattress, Memory Foam Mattress Foundations, Memory (http://www.bedinabox.com/). Have the PacBamboo Plus 13" Memory Foam Mattress, on top of the old box springs. Been about 2 years now and we are both quite happy. I'm sensitive to foam - makes me sweat, but this is not bad at all. Almost hate to get up in the morning, it is so comfortable. You can get both the regular Queen and the RV Queen. It was either the $1250, plus shipping, Hampton Inn mattress with $50 mattress pad, or Bedinabox, and we thought this was cheap enough that if we did not like it we could throw it out after a year. Well, we kept it. But I don't think it is quite as comfortable as the Hampton Inn mattress. But it is not $500 less comfortable!
Would I put one in the Foretravel? I don't know. It is heavy, and I'm not sure I would want to try to get one to the back of the motorhome. They tell you to take it in the bedroom and put it on the bed before you open it. When you open it, it grows very fast and unfolds almost by itself. Don't think you can do that in a coach!!! You would have to unwrap it out side and take it in the regular way. If we were to get one, it would not be the 13". I think the PacDown™ 9" Memory Foam Mattress or the PacBamboo 11" Memory Foam Mattress would make me very happy.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Michelle on January 20, 2011, 11:35:49 pm
We have one of these at home - BedInABox.com: Memory Foam Mattress, Memory Foam Mattress Foundations, Memory (http://www.bedinabox.com/). Have the PacBamboo Plus 13" Memory Foam Mattress, on top of the old box springs. Been about 2 years now and we are both quite happy. I'm sensitive to foam - makes me sweat, but this is not bad at all.
We definitely prefer the comfort of foam - have latex here at the house. I also have troubles with some foam being hot.
The one I'm considering is Costco - NovaForm ® Pure Comfort Deluxe Queen Mattress (http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11314413&search=novaform&Mo=21&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Sp=S&N=5000043&whse=BC&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=novaform&Ntt=novaform&No=12&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1)
I have to say, the Bed in a Box ones look pretty good, too.
The price is great. I'm just not sure about the weight on the bed lift-up.
Michelle
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: David Smith on January 21, 2011, 07:58:06 am
We went to Wal-Mart and purchased a 4" foam topper for our old mattress. Works great. These also come in 6" and 8". Liked it so much we put one on our mattress at home.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: oldmattb on January 21, 2011, 08:54:50 am
We have a TempurPedic in storage at the condo in Port Aransas, and will switch the standard mattress in the coach for it next week. We have a TP here at home and love it. We thought about the bed-in-a-box from Walmart, but many reviews mentioned the smell. I was worried about the smell in the small motorhome bedroom never going away.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: CookieQueen on January 21, 2011, 09:39:45 am
We purchased our 4 inch Serta Memory Foam Topper from Overstock.com (was $189, now on sale today for $169) and I also purchased the Down Alternative Cover for Memory Foam (now $54) which is an enclosed zippered coverlet that you put the foam topper in. This keeps the heat factor down since the top of the cover is padded and quilted. And of course it is washable. And Overstock (honest I don't own any stock) only charges $2.95 for shipping. We just love the Memory Foam. Overstock had only a dozen or so to offer back in 2008 when I purchased it; now they have a lot to offer. What I really like about Overstock is the customer reviews on their products and you can sort the mdse search by various factors. If you are considering a memory foam topper, I would go for the 4 incher. Keep in mind, when you add a topper to the existing mattress as we did, you need to switch your sheets to deep pocket to accommodate the topper and mattress.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: George Stoltz on January 21, 2011, 09:42:15 am
We purchased our 4 inch Serta Memory Foam Topper from Overstock.com (was $189, now on sale today for $169) and I also purchased the Down Alternative Cover for Memory Foam (now $54) which is an enclosed zippered coverlet that you put the foam topper in. This keeps the heat factor down since the top of the cover is padded and quilted. And of course it is washable. And Overstock (honest I don't own any stock) only charges $2.95 for shipping. We just love the Memory Foam. Overstock had only a dozen or so to offer back in 2008 when I purchased it; now they have a lot to offer. What I really like about Overstock is the customer reviews on their products and you can sort the mdse search by various factors. If you are considering a memory foam topper, I would go for the 4 incher. Keep in mind, when you add a topper to the existing mattress as we did, you need to switch your sheets to deep pocket to accommodate the topper and mattress.
And, we can still raise the bed, and the gas struts keep it opened. No broom stick necessary.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Two Hams in a Can on January 21, 2011, 09:55:10 am
When we bought "The Burrow", it had a new, comfortable, seems to be quality (haven't looked at the brand) mattress. When we moved out of the apt., we added our Sam's Club 4" memory foam mattress topper (abt 70 lbs.) to the bed; and, have had great sleeping ever since. The downside is when Madison feels the need to sleep with us, she can't get her chubby behind up without a step stool; which we, as her servants, provide nightly. ;D :)) :P
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: PatC on January 21, 2011, 09:59:49 am
Did you see the one reviewed in MotorHome Magazine, February 2011 issue? It was in the Techsavvy column on page 55. Bob Livingston reviewed a Tempflow RV6000 and a RV8000 that he had recently purchased. It is available from Tempflow - The Memory Foam Mattress That Breathes! (http://www.tempflow.com) who has a dealer in Texas. Bob ended the article saying "Early morning walks are now off the table; this bed is just too comfortable".
I don't know how long Bob sleep on it before writing the review. I like to use something at least 6 months, if not longer, before reviewing it. And have brought a couple thing the Paul Harvey has highly endorsed only to find out that I should have read other reviews before buying.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Bill & Kim on January 21, 2011, 10:28:31 am
The memory foam ones are around 100 pounds for a queensize. Not sure how that would work on the bed lift for engine access. Michelle
Several years ago, when our old mattress gave up the ghost, we got a TempurPedic. Best decision we ever made... well, second to falling for each other... ;D
When we sold the house and most all of our 'stuff', the TempurPedic stayed and went into the coach. Weighs a bit more than the "thing-they-call-a-mattress" that was in the coach but nothing that presents too much of a problem. Certainly, the comfort of the TempurPedic outweighs any other concern. Brand new, they take a bit of breaking in but no big deal - wouldn't ever go back. These are the best!
Lately, I've been eyeing a new "model" they have called "TempurCloud"... ::)
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Horace B. Cupp on January 21, 2011, 05:56:21 pm
We have one of these at home - BedInABox.com: Memory Foam Mattress, Memory Foam Mattress Foundations, Memory (http://www.bedinabox.com/). Have the PacBamboo Plus 13" Memory Foam Mattress, on top of the old box springs. Been about 2 years now and we are both quite happy. I'm sensitive to foam - makes me sweat, but this is not bad at all.
We definitely prefer the comfort of foam - have latex here at the house. I also have troubles with some foam being hot.
The one I'm considering is Costco - NovaForm® Pure Comfort Deluxeâ,,¢ Queen Mattress (http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11314413&search=novaform&Mo=21&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Sp=S&N=5000043&whse=BC&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=novaform&Ntt=novaform&No=12&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1)
I have to say, the Bed in a Box ones look pretty good, too.
The price is great. I'm just not sure about the weight on the bed lift-up.
Michelle
Michelle. We replaced the mattress when we bought our coach in 06. We wanted to sit on the bed and have our feet on the floor. We had a local mattress manufacturer make us a 3" foam (we prefer it, also) with an inch of memory foam on top.We can now sit on the bed with our feet on the floor. There is no problem raising the bed to get to the engine, we use the expanding towel (and multipurpose) rod for holding it up, supplementing the struts.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Michelle on January 21, 2011, 10:25:01 pm
Did you see the one reviewed in MotorHome Magazine, February 2011 issue?
I don't know how long Bob sleep on it before writing the review. I like to use something at least 6 months, if not longer, before reviewing it.
I always take the MH magazine reviews with a grain of salt. Many times they're for products associated with or sold by an Affinity Group company (Good Sam ERS, Camping World, Camp Club, etc.). I'm suspicious about whether Bob (as publisher of MH mag) paid for the mattress out of his own pocket or might he have been provided one to test by the Tempflow people?
Suzanne raises a good point about the topper making it difficult for the canine family members. Jumping down, since it's onto the tile in the bath, is a big worry (yes, the Posse are bed hogs, unlike Madison). Guess we should measure the existing mattress' thickness next time we're out at the storage facility and look for something around that thickness. I know it's not 12", so any similar memory foam should be less weight than the 12" Costco one.
Michelle
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: PatC on January 21, 2011, 10:47:19 pm
Did you see the one reviewed in MotorHome Magazine, February 2011 issue?
I don't know how long Bob sleep on it before writing the review. I like to use something at least 6 months, if not longer, before reviewing it.
I always take the MH magazine reviews with a grain of salt. Many times they're for products associated with or sold by an Affinity Group company (Good Sam ERS, Camping World, Camp Club, etc.). I'm suspicious about whether Bob (as publisher of MH mag) paid for the mattress out of his own pocket or might he have been provided one to test by the Tempflow people?
Suzanne raises a good point about the topper making it difficult for the canine family members. Jumping down, since it's onto the tile in the bath, is a big worry (yes, the Posse are bed hogs, unlike Madison). Guess we should measure the existing mattress' thickness next time we're out at the storage facility and look for something around that thickness. I know it's not 12", so any similar memory foam should be less weight than the 12" Costco one.
Michelle
My son got a high priced 3" memory foam single bunk mattress for his over the road tractor. Did not use it very long. Anyway he sold the truck and kept the mattress, stored in our attic. My wife borrowed it when she went to visit a cousin that did not have extra bed. She could not believe how well she slept on it. Compares it to the 12" foam mattress. Only 3". Don't know who makes it.
Our Foretravel had a new mattress when we got it. We put a Woolrich feather bed topper on it and it works great.
And I have to agree about MH magazine. Lots of real questionable products in there!
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Michelle on January 21, 2011, 11:07:19 pm
Several years ago, when our old mattress gave up the ghost, we got a TempurPedic. Best decision we ever made... well, second to falling for each other... ;D
When we sold the house and most all of our 'stuff', the TempurPedic stayed and went into the coach. Weighs a bit more than the "thing-they-call-a-mattress" that was in the coach but nothing that presents too much of a problem.
Lately, I've been eyeing a new "model" they have called "TempurCloud"... ::)
Will they let you "trade-in" towards a "cloud", or will you perhaps be putting a queensize Tempurpedic in the ForeForum classifieds? ;D
-M
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on January 21, 2011, 11:46:57 pm
We're thinking of replacing the mattress in our coach. It's the standard kind. Thinking of getting either latex (what we have at home) or memory foam (Costco has some great deals).
Any idea how much the standard mattresses weigh? The memory foam ones are around 100 pounds for a queensize. Not sure how that would work on the bed lift for engine access.
Any other suggestions? Well, other than Sleep Number. We tried one when shopping for our home mattress and I didn't care for it.
Michelle
Michelle, I sympathize. Maybe our trials and tribulations can be of some help. Finding the "right" mattress can be a long and frustrating process. Especially with all of the variables, times two for two people, as well as all of the wild advertising claims. By way of background, Brenda and I both come from long lineages of bad backs. I went twenty years with two herniated discs, before I finally had disc surgery (surgery is supposed to be the last resort, but, in my case, I should have had it done years before!). Brenda has debilitating knee AND back problems. On top of that, Brenda can't resist a bargain! Thus, we've had a bunch of mattresses over the 12 years that we've had the coach. Some were bargain basement, three (Conventional, Latex and Foam) were expensive, some good for a while, others not at all good for us, right from the start, although they were all advertised as being miraculous by close family, friends and various salesmen.
We eventually became desperate enough, from lack of quality sleep, that we took the scientific approach to figuring out what we were doing wrong. We followed the advice of an Orthopedic surgeon, who recommended a sleep study center. Our health care program covered the analysis. Through pressure point and electrode analysis (electrocardiogram type sensors), a sleep study MD was able to recommend (prescribe) the type and density of mattress that she felt would relieve our issues. In an unanticipated twist, I also came to understand that I must use a CPAP machine in order to sleep well.
But anyway, VOILA! Science wins again! For us, the TEMPUR-Cloud Supreme (Tempurpedic) was one of the few, "reasonably-affordable" choices that could provide the prescribed support and density to resolve our issues. The TEMPUR-Cloud Luxe was also a choice, but was much more expensive. Since we could upgrade within 90 days if the Supreme didn't work, we tried the Supreme first, after finding it in a 25% off sale.
I have no idea if all of this would work for others, but it has been a very successful answer for us. The answer to what we did not understand and couldn't seem to sort out from the myriad of advertising claims and personal advice from friends and family.
We now have Cloud Tempurpedics at home and in the coach. They are heavy, they were placed by the delivery company (with no difficulty), when raised - the coach bed platform has to be supplemented with a brace to help the gas struts (but isn't at all bad to hinge up into the raised position) and they are thick (10") . But, we are very pleased with both the warm and cold weather comforts of the Cloud Tempurpedics in both the house and the coach. We had had a Tempurpedic before, but of too firm a density. The earlier Tempurpedic we had found to be excessively firm in colder weather (before it absorbed body heat), odorous when it was brand new and it didn't seem to breath very well in warm, humid weather. The newer Cloud Tempurpedics seem to have entirely overcome ALL of those issues. But most of all, the proper configuration memory foam has provided us with consistent good sleep that we haven't enjoyed in years. As usual, FWIW. Neal
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Bill & Kim on January 22, 2011, 09:49:28 am
Will they let you "trade-in" towards a "cloud", or will you perhaps be putting a queensize Tempurpedic in the ForeForum classifieds? ;D -M
LOL - just been "eyeing" the cloud... while at the "relax-the-back" store not long ago checking out their recliners, I spent some time getting to know one of the "clouds" they had on the floor. If it would of been closing time, I would of stayed the night with my new friend... that is one comfortable bed! We are sold on TempurPedics.
I still have to figure out a way to gauge Kim's openess to getting a cloud without tipping my cards. She loves the current mattress and being an RN, is alot more practical than me.... humm... classified ads, eh? ::)
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Peter & Beth on January 24, 2011, 12:04:56 pm
Got one of these yesterday to try for the coach bed. We're using it at home for testing. Boy, do we like it. It just made our current mattress into a great mattress. Getting a second one as we're keeping this one for the stick home bed... And, Costco has these on sale until the end of the month at the warehouse as well as on-line.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Peter & Beth on January 24, 2011, 12:49:02 pm
Correction...I just looked at my Costco Warehouse receipt, and the warehouse price is lower than the internet price. We paid $108.49 after the $30 off. And, the online taxes are calculated based on the $149.99 price...there's no shipping charge online.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Carol Savournin on January 24, 2011, 06:02:50 pm
You spend a third of your life in bed ... go for the best thing you have experienced.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: George Stoltz on January 24, 2011, 06:14:46 pm
You spend a third of your life in bed ... go for the best thing you have experienced.
Oops. I'm a little bit over that 1/3 of my life in bed.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Bill Willett on January 24, 2011, 08:18:02 pm
George, you have spent 23.67 years in bed, it's time to get up. :))
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: jeff on January 24, 2011, 08:50:46 pm
George,
Play time doesn't count against the hours.... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: George Stoltz on January 24, 2011, 09:24:24 pm
Bill and Jeff,
You two are too funny. ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Michelle on February 12, 2011, 10:17:02 pm
Well, I'm closer to deciding. Just need to figure out what thickness to order. We don't want to increase the Posse's jumping distance significantly, especially jumping off the bed onto the slippery tile.
I've narrowed it down to a 9, a 10, and an 11 inch thick mattress. Wish the coach wasn't miles away in storage where I can't just run out and measure the stock mattress.
Michelle
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Bill & Kim on February 12, 2011, 11:46:27 pm
Well, I'm closer to deciding. Just need to figure out what thickness to order. We don't want to increase the Posse's jumping distance significantly, especially jumping off the bed onto the slippery tile.
I've narrowed it down to a 9, a 10, and an 11 inch thick mattress. Wish the coach wasn't miles away in storage where I can't just run out and measure the stock mattress. Michelle
Besides the "possee" jumping onto the bed, having to sit and put your shoes on (or take socks off) yourself, is a chore if the beds too high. Our mattress is a 9", I believe and has been great. I really could't tell the difference between the other thicknesses. The Tempurpedic is simply the best bed we've had, period.
Good luck in your choice. If you do end up with the Tempurpedic, it'll feel hard for a short time but they really do "break in" nicely.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Carol Savournin on February 13, 2011, 10:42:25 am
A standard, old fashioned 9" thick Tempurpedic fit just fine in our '93 ... and made it MUCH easier to climb into bed. This '95 coach has a SOB memory foam mattress, 11" or so ... and it is a chore for me to leap in (and I am 5'5"). I wish almost every day that I had my old Tempurpedic back. Even at 10yrs+ it was an outstanding night's sleep and only required a new cover. After 10 yrs of laundering, it finally needed replacing.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: George Stoltz on February 13, 2011, 11:52:47 am
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Besides the "possee" jumping onto the bed, having to sit and put your shoes on (or take socks off) yourself, is a chore if the beds too high. Our mattress is a 9", I believe and has been great. I really could't tell the difference between the other thicknesses. The Tempurpedic is simply the best bed we've had, period.
Good luck in your choice. If you do end up with the Tempurpedic, it'll feel hard for a short time but they really do "break in" nicely.
Michelle,
I am so glad to read your comment about shoes and socks. I use the couch, but all along I figured it was old age that sent me to the couch. Wow. I feel younger already.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Michelle on February 13, 2011, 01:23:29 pm
I am so glad to read your comment about shoes and socks. I use the couch, but all along I figured it was old age that sent me to the couch. Wow. I feel younger already.
Actually, that was Bill Jackson commenting on the shoes and socks. I, too, use the couch (or just wear slip-on Crocs) since I'm only 5'3" on a "big hair day". :))
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: George Stoltz on February 13, 2011, 01:32:11 pm
Sometimes I have difficulty figuring out the genealogy of a post.
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on February 28, 2011, 01:09:11 pm
If you replace the stock mattress with a pillow top, you can fabricate a couple of brackets and double up on the struts to make lifting the bed for engine/electrics access EZ. A little engineering for clearance both closed and open needed. Don't be tempted to use a wire feed welder without first disconnecting electrics/electronics per owner's manual.
Pierce & Gaylie 93' U300/36
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: amos.harrison on February 28, 2011, 01:57:09 pm
Can you show us some pictures?
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Michelle on May 22, 2011, 03:24:16 pm
Well, I'm closer to deciding. Just need to figure out what thickness to order.
A quick update to this topic - after a lot of research, reading reviews, etc., I found a highly-regarded memory foam mattress with an excellent price through Sam's Club. With shipping and tax it came to around $450.
Just ordered it, should be here this week, will report back after we've gotten it and had a chance to try it out. Our existing mattress is 10" thick, so this should be good for the Posse. Plus David F. and the upholstery team made us a small area rug (one of 4) out of the leftover bits from our recent carpet upgrade. I added some grey non-skid rug tape (purchased at Lowes in Nac) to the back and it makes a nice takeoff/landing zone for the pups.
The same mattress is available at Amazon, but for a higher final price
quick update to this topic - after a lot of research, reading reviews, etc., I found a highly-regarded memory foam mattress with an excellent price through Sam's Club. With shipping and tax it came to around $450. Michelle
Hey Michelle, Was Sam's cheaper than the memory foam bed at Costco?
Y'all won't regret this decision at all!
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Michelle on May 22, 2011, 03:50:45 pm
Hey Michelle, Was Sam's cheaper than the memory foam bed at Costco?
I believe so. A major deciding factory, however, is that most of the Costco memory foam mattresses use China-made memory foam and there are a lot of reports of unpleasant odor and rapid breakdown of the foam. The Aerus from Foamex is USA-made memory foam and had favorable reviews on the mattress discussion boards. We prefer to shop at Costco, but in this case Sam's had the better option.
Michelle
Title: Re: Replacement mattress questions
Post by: Bill & Kim on May 22, 2011, 04:11:27 pm
That's real good info to know. We have another friend who wants to get some twin beds for her kids and was thinking of the ones at Costco - thanks for doing the research on it, I'll be sure to let her know!
Speaking of "Made in China"... I got a couple of cabinet door latches for the kitchen the other day at Lowes and while attempting to attach them with the screws provided, the heads of every one of the screws sheared off without much torque being applied... Seems most everything I've gotten - hardware supplies, tools, that were made in China suffer similar fates. Sure wish US companies that distribute these products would pay attention to the quality of what they're selling! I've pretty much decided after the cabinet latch ordeal, to boycott chinese made products...