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Title: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Merle Hench on April 30, 2011, 09:49:45 pm
Greetings,
Been shopping for a GPS - had settled on a trucker version, due to the fact it would keep me off roads with low bridges, weight restrictions, and keep me out of areas with streets too narrow to navigate. And while there are some GPSs that have features for use with an RV, up to now I haven't seen one dedicated just for RVs - until now. Tonight I stumbled across a new product, due out in June - the Rand McNally Tripmaker 5510 --> TripMaker® RVND™5510 (http://www.randmcnally.com/products/rvnd5510.jsp)
One of the features that appeals to me a lot are the checklists and maintenance logs. Also lists campgrounds and amenities, travel centers with dump stations, pet friendly locations, etc. Another nice touch is the "Breadcrumb Trail", that leads you to/from your campsite off a main road.
While I'm still shopping, I do believe I'm going to preorder one of these.
Steve
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: George Stoltz on April 30, 2011, 10:12:31 pm
Looks good.
(Note: I am trying to match Dave Head's brevity.)
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on April 30, 2011, 10:45:23 pm
Merle, great find. I too plan to order one. Its about time somebody put out a GPS designed for RV's.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: oldmattb on April 30, 2011, 11:29:48 pm
I am real tempted to try one of those $100 7" GPS units from Deal Extreme. Has anyone tried one of those? I really like the idea of one big-enough to read without glasses.
oldMattB
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Post by: Dave Head on May 01, 2011, 12:07:03 am
Hah! That reminds me of the essay my brother had to write in high school. 'Describe yourself in as few words as possible'.
He wrote 'concise' and turned it in...
He got an 'A'.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on May 01, 2011, 05:52:29 am
Looks interesting, but does it list Wally Worlds, Flying J / Pilots, diesel fuel stops, rest areas, Public / free dump stations along the highway, For certain it will show all the commercial campgrounds etc. I try to avoid campgrounds where I have to pay. ??
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: David Smith on May 01, 2011, 08:06:32 am
Looks interesting, but does it list Wally Worlds, Flying J / Pilots, diesel fuel stops, rest areas, Public / free dump stations along the highway, For certain it will show all the commercial campgrounds etc. I try to avoid campgrounds where I have to pay. ??
I agree with you Dave, I also look for Wal-Marts, Sam's Clubs, etc along my route. I find it adventurous. We always go inside, locate someone in management and get permission. Then we patronize the store, unhook and explore the area. We always leave the location we parked in in better shape by picking up trash or placing the runaway shopping carts back in their rack.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on May 01, 2011, 11:05:26 am
After owning several GPS models, I have been happy with the TomTom 540S World model. A 5" display, lots of primary screen info, super accurate arrival times and one the most important features for a RV, two mile notification for turns on the highway. Works well in Canada, Mexico and Europe also.
Having said that, a trucker/RV gps with all the low bridges, tunnels in the east and fuel stops would be great. 5" has been great but 7" would be even better. Looks like a potential "must have" accessory.
More and more WalMarts don't allow overnight parking. We NEVER pay to stay enroute to National Parks or other destinations. Check out: Walmart No Overnight Parking Stores Locations Map - Wal-Mart Guide (http://www.allstays.com/c/walmart-locations-noparking-map.htm) . They have a map with all the forbidden WalMarts along with free overnight truckstops, etc. Allstays also has APPs for iPhones, iPads, Androids. Just found this site and it looks pretty useful. California allows 72 hour parking unless a city or reststop have an ordinance against it.
"Stay but don't pay" Pierce & Gaylie 93' U300/36
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Paul Smith on May 01, 2011, 11:40:01 am
We are trying to sort out the trade-offs. Between heavy Internet use each night and DirecTV we need to run the generator each morning before starting out.
So do the camping fees savings trump increased fuel costs per mile plus increased generator maintenance costs per mile?
We do boondock at Wall-Marts and Cracker Barrels from time to time - and ALWAYS boondock at Harris Ranch (on I-5 in CA)
best, paul
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More and more WalMarts don't allow overnight parking. We NEVER pay to stay enroute to National Parks or other destinations.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: gam on May 01, 2011, 02:22:45 pm
My wife and I like the garmin mobile pc with wireless . The unit cost less then $60.00 and has life time software updates. We set a laptop on the dash with a 16" screen, and we both can see it . joe
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: oldmattb on May 01, 2011, 02:39:39 pm
For your enjoyment:
CONTRARY MARY I would like to introduce a friend. Her name is Contrary Mary, the Route-Planning Fairy. She is the program we use on our laptop computer for charting our trip. Most times, Mary works well. Sometimes, she directs us the wrong way down a one-way street, to bear left into the median, or to turn right down a non-existent road, which is actually a big river. If we do not take her direction (we disregarded all of the above, fortunately), she will scold us with "off route!"
Yesterday, Mary directed us onto a gravel road. I have seen it where a mile of gravel road might save twenty or so miles of paved driving, so we took her advice. That gravel road led to another gravel road, and then another narrower gravel road. Finally we were faced with a dead-end, or a "road." The road, was actually a mud jeep trail that led into the top of the Piute Reservation. I would not subject my car to that road, much less the motorhome towing the car. We turned around, literally, in a farmer's wheat field, and bumped our way back out on the ten miles of gravel. The cows seemed to be laughing at us.
The motorhome is dusty and the car looks like it has been rolled in flour and is ready for frying. I will make two trips to the car wash today, and we will resume our trip tomorrow. Maybe our dirt road forays are done for now. Matt Bruner Grangeville, Idaho 9/26/09
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: George Stoltz on May 01, 2011, 03:25:26 pm
Matt,
From our experience and from all that I have read on line, there is no perfect GPS device. Some are better than others and I would hope that Trip Maker does what we all hope.
Before we set out for a new destination and just to be on the safe side, we (Sandy) always plans a route using the current issue of Rand McNallys "Motor Carriers' Road Atlas. That atlas never sends us down a gravel road or any other place that a big rig can't navigate.
And the Atlas is only $19.95.
Finally, when in doubt we try to find a Google Earth view of the locale. This has helped us many times.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: oldmattb on May 01, 2011, 05:10:25 pm
George,
Good advice I am sure, but we never plan a route. We tell the GPS where we are going, often choose to avoid interstates, and turn when it tell us (except when we can't.) For us, a bit part of the fun of traveling is making the odd turns, seeing the lost highways, and even having to turn around. For a moment, it is annoying, but it makes a good story (or song.)
We have the "large print" motor carriers' atlas, but we rarely use it, maybe twice in a month of traveling.
Once, we used the atlas and a Woodall's guide to get to a campground. The entrance was chained when we got to it. We unhooked the towd, Kelly drove it, and I backed the motorhome down half a mile of narrow dirt road in the dark, watching her taillights to navigate.
We are a little crazy. We took our 26-foot motorhome and towd through all of the Apache Trail.
oldMattB
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: George Stoltz on May 01, 2011, 09:49:07 pm
Good advice I am sure, but we never plan a route. We tell the GPS where we are going, often choose to avoid interstates, and turn when it tell us (except when we can't.) For us, a bit part of the fun of traveling is making the odd turns, seeing the lost highways, and even having to turn around. For a moment, it is annoying, but it makes a good story (or song.)
We have the "large print" motor carriers' atlas, but we rarely use it, maybe twice in a month of traveling.
Once, we used the atlas and a Woodall's guide to get to a campground. The entrance was chained when we got to it. We unhooked the towd, Kelly drove it, and I backed the motorhome down half a mile of narrow dirt road in the dark, watching her taillights to navigate.
We are a little crazy. We took our 26-foot motorhome and towd through all of the Apache Trail.
oldMattB
I would also say you are brave. I stop having fun when I find myself on a bad road or somewhere where extracting ourselves from could mean damage to the coach.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: oldmattb on May 01, 2011, 10:16:30 pm
The worst time we have had on roads have been interstates. We have been nearly beaten to death a few times. The interstates around Boston were insane. Last year we hit a bump on I-10 in Louisiana that loosened our transmission fuse, and caused great distress. I remember a road somewhere, where the joints in the road were the same as our (then) wheelbase. Instead of thump-thump, thump-thump, we just went BAM, BAM, BAM, knocking stuff out of the cabinets and out of the glove box. I was amazed we didn't break any windows. Even slow, the punishment was the same.
Our only problems on the Apache Trail were lots of new pinstripes, dust, and hoping the cars would back up the quarter mile to where the road was wide-enough to pass. Even two or three cars would smile and wave, and back up for us. The coach we had then was 26-foot. I would not attempt it in our 36-foot. There's the length, and we have probably half the ground clearance now.
I never really worry about getting out of what we get into. After docking a 40-foot houseboat many times on very windy days, I am just grateful that the coach does not go sideways on its own.
oldMattB
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: George Stoltz on May 01, 2011, 10:19:44 pm
Matt,
You just gave me an idea for a new topic in Around the Campfire.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: jeff on May 01, 2011, 11:15:36 pm
Carol and I have never get lost or make a wrong turn...We call it taking the scenic route..Have seen some great things when "lost"
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on May 02, 2011, 09:41:16 am
My reply when the DW says that we are LOST is ...... We are not lost I still have a half tank of fuel..... :D
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: oldmattb on May 02, 2011, 10:30:02 am
My reply when the DW says that we are LOST is ...... We are not lost I still have a half tank of fuel..... :D
Maybe that is the difference between "We are lost" and "All is lost."
oldMattB
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Merle Hench on June 08, 2011, 07:35:07 am
G'day,
Don't know if I'm the first around here, but I've ordered the Tripmaker 5510 (found on ebay with free shipping). Should be here in a week or so. Am not going anywhere just yet, but will report my initial impressions and findings when it arrives. Being the first version, I am expecting some issues.
Steve
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Dwayne on June 08, 2011, 01:53:47 pm
What I would like is something that quickly shows sources of propane while on the road. Other than Flying J (which usually but not always has it), somethimes some off the wall gas station will and unless you live in the area you'd never know or expect it. I know of such a place a few short mile of an exit ramp on I-75 north of Tampa (Fowler Ave. at US301) where there is such a place but no signage on the highway). Then there are the propane dealerships, campgrounds, feed stores, etc. This would be really helpful to me.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Merle Hench on June 13, 2011, 07:35:40 pm
The conversation sure does drift some, doesn't it? :)
The RND 5510 arrived this afternoon. Plugged it in to charge it with the supplied AC charger for a couple of hours, and fired it up. Using the 3 ft USB cable it came with, hooked it up to the PC (Windows XP). Windows found it (disk drive and memory device), loaded drivers, and it was ready to use. The docking software is on the unit; it installed that, and then wanted to do updates. First it downloaded a newer version of the docking software, then updated everything (I think - 494 files).
The software has a backup/restore feature. After everything finished updating I backed up everything to the PC. Note - it runs on battery power when connected to the PC, so make sure the battery is charged first.
Also comes with a 12V cigarette lighter adapter, spare fuse, and a docking cradle with stylus which attaches to the windshield suction cup mount. The mount itself is nicely made and solid, with a locking lever. It stays put. There is a quick start guide, but the manual is only available online as a pdf file via the docking software. Tried to save a copy, but it would not save.
The unit itself has but a single button to switch it on/off, a mini USB port, micro SD card slot, and earphone jack. On the back is an external antenna connection (which isn't yet available, and may not be needed in most cases). It's small enough to put in a coat pocket or purse - so I wonder if I couldn't throw it in my backpack when taking a long hike, and use it to find my way back if I get lost... it does have the "breadcrumb" feature (with a nod to Hansel and Gretel). Will try it when I walk my dog tonight. You do have the option of using this unit in your dinghy as well - you can switch vehicles between RV and car in the preferences menu.
I like the display - excellent contrast and very crisp picture. Instructions in the quick start guide say you need to be facing a window for it to work. I was in my den in the middle of the room facing a wall and it worked fine.
You can add you RV info - class, length, height, and weight, as well as adding info about whatever you're towing. Cool. You can set up checklists. and customize them, another nice feature, and there is a section for recording maintenance.
I played with it only a little; there is a great deal of info in there - and it covers Canada and Mexico as well. It told it to find dump stations where I was - and it found dozens - incluing Flying J's. Then I asked it to show me RV service locations in my area - actually shows more than are listed in the phone book, with a listing of what services each place provides. Way cool. Tons more to explore.
So far I like it a lot - but then I haven't gone anywhere yet. ;D I have but one complaint, which I will forward to Rand McNally. Each time it boots up it displays a legal disclaimer, which I must agree to before it goes to the main menu. I say ask me once, then leave me alone., Hopefully they will address this.
More to come.
Steve
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: J. D. Stevens on June 13, 2011, 07:48:14 pm
... Each time it boots up it displays a legal disclaimer, which I must agree to before it goes to the main menu. I say ask me once, then leave me alone., Hopefully they will address this. ...
Don't expect the "nag screen" to go away. It is present on the on board Garmin system on my Goldwing, and also on the Garmin Nuvi that I use in several vehicles. On the 'wing, I MUST agree to the terms or the nav system shuts down. On the Nuvi, it goes away after the unit has been on for a few minutes.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Merle Hench on June 13, 2011, 10:31:20 pm
Don't expect the "nag screen" to go away. It is present on the on board Garmin system on my Goldwing, and also on the Garmin Nuvi that I use in several vehicles. On the 'wing, I MUST agree to the terms or the nav system shuts down. On the Nuvi, it goes away after the unit has been on for a few minutes.
Bah - lawyers.
Some years ago where I worked (a Fortune 100 company) the lawyers decided that all outgoing internet mail had to have a disclaimer at the bottom - about 1/2 a page long. As if anybody actually read it...
I am amused that the disclaimer asks me to agree that I should obey traffic signs and posted speed limits rather than rely on their direction. :)
Steve
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Merle Hench on June 13, 2011, 10:33:45 pm
By the way... was looking at Travel Centers, and you can filter the results by a number of elements - diesel truck stops, metered propane, open 24 hours, etc. So it'll steer you clear of "regular" gas stations where maneuvering around is always an adventure.
Steve
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: J. D. Stevens on June 13, 2011, 10:49:56 pm
The Garmin has the ability to add "custom POIs" (points of interest). I expect other units have similar abilities.
We have added rest areas, Flying J locations, campgrounds, and NPR stations. You can download POI files, or build your own. Garmin uses a comma separated spreadsheet format. They provide a loader than puts it into a format that the Nuvi will read.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on June 14, 2011, 09:43:03 am
I'm really glad to have your review of the 5510. You are answering a lot of the questions I have had. It is sounding better and better.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Carol Savournin on June 14, 2011, 02:27:08 pm
I think you should definitely buy one, Kent ... for 2 reasons. First, so that you can have FOUR electronic devices simultaneously telling you which way to turn, instead of only three. :P(Notice I said "electronic devices" ... I know that Peggy just lets you get yourself lost until you ask her for help!) Secondly, so that if it is really a great unit that I can then order one ... AFTER you have spent the money! ;D
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on June 14, 2011, 05:08:27 pm
I think you should definitely buy one, Kent ... for 2 reasons. First, so that you can have FOUR electronic devices simultaneously telling you which way to turn, instead of only three. :P(Notice I said "electronic devices" ... I know that Peggy just lets you get yourself lost until you ask her for help!) Secondly, so that if it is really a great unit that I can then order one ... AFTER you have spent the money! ;D
I'm thinking, I really am thinking! If one Nag-i-gator is good three, four maybe even five are better. As you know the only time I get lost now is trying to get back on the interstate. Maybe this new one will help me find the entrance ramp since my "FRIENDS" aren't of much help. They just leave me going around in circles.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Merle Hench on June 16, 2011, 06:04:19 am
I haven't had much time to play this week, but I did find a few more things in there. You can tag any point of interest as a favorite, and it will store that info. And as to Travel Centers - not only can you filter by truck stop, etc, the list goes on and on - laundry facilities, restaurants, showers, etc. So no matter where you are and what you're looking for, you can pick from the list and it will display everything within a 350 mile radius, beginning with what's closest to your location.
If you're pulling a dinghy or trailer, it will warn you if you're entering a state or province where your total length exceeds current laws. You can tailor the warnings (reduced speed, hill, sharp turn, etc), in terms of how far ahead to warn you. Knowing the length, height and weight of you rig, it should steer you clear of hazards.
The campground list is impressive, and again you can filter by particulars of what you're looking for. It also includes - Walmarts, BLM land, and COE sites as well.
For those folks with pets, like myself, you'll appreciate all the animal services it can pull up - animal hospitals, pet-friendly campsites, free run parks, pet stores, etc.
It's clear a great deal of thought went into this device, to make it useful to RV folks. For me, the only question now is the navigation part. Will it get me stuck or lost, or can I count on it? Time will tell.
Steve
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Dave Katsuki on June 24, 2011, 12:44:08 am
Here's another review of the Rand McNally TripMaker RVND 5510 GPS via another forum:
My Review...Rand McNally RV GPS Unit - Jun 22, 2011 - (http://www.mytripjournal.com/travel-608052)
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Bill & Kim on June 24, 2011, 10:49:34 am
It's clear a great deal of thought went into this device, to make it useful to RV folks. For me, the only question now is the navigation part. Will it get me stuck or lost, or can I count on it? Time will tell. Steve
Steve, What about map updates - is there an annual fee, a charge each time you update or are they free...? We're pretty much sold on the R-M GPS having been run down too many bunny trails on our iPhone GPS.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Merle Hench on June 25, 2011, 06:12:46 am
So far they are free. I expect that will likely change, though. There are updates every week or so.
I see several GPS makers building in ties to services that provide up to the minute traffic and construction data. Looking at the small print, though, it seems there are no guarantees as to how long the service they want to tie you to might be available. The Tripmaker offers a free trial to one of these, and keeps offering it every time you connect the unit to your PC. Pass.
Steve
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Post by: Gerry Vicha on June 28, 2011, 02:17:50 pm
I just got an email from FMCA offering a $ 50.00 discount on this unit..... ^.^d ^.^d Brings the price down to $299.00
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on June 28, 2011, 03:02:23 pm
I remember when I bought my TomTom, the list was about $350. In less than a year, I got it on ebay for $110. With so many GPS makers out there plus a soft economy, I bet we will see really competitive prices on this unit soon. A growing number of smart phone RV apps will also keep the pressure on the dedicated units.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on June 28, 2011, 03:18:53 pm
Pierce, you may be right but I just ordered one anyway. Yes Carol, now I can have 4 GPS' telling me where to go.
Our GPS has been sending us right through the middle of towns even if there were a bypass for the last two years. It will be worth paying a little extra to avoid those narrow streets and small town traffic on even one trip.
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Post by: Bill & Kim on June 28, 2011, 03:39:58 pm
Our GPS has been sending us right through the middle of towns even if there were a bypass for the last two years. It will be worth paying a little extra to avoid those narrow streets and small town traffic on even one trip.
We've been using our AT&T iPhone GPS and after being regularly being sent to the wrong place as well as "loosing signal" right at the crucial moment, we're ready to change...
Does anyone know the difference between the R-M 510 & 710... besides price & screen size? And does the FMCA discount only apply to the 510 or does it also apply to the 710?
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on June 28, 2011, 04:15:39 pm
Our GPS has been sending us right through the middle of towns even if there were a bypass for the last two years. It will be worth paying a little extra to avoid those narrow streets and small town traffic on even one trip.
We've been using our AT&T iPhone GPS and after being regularly being sent to the wrong place as well as "loosing signal" right at the crucial moment, we're ready to change...
Does anyone know the difference between the R-M 510 & 710... besides price & screen size? And does the FMCA discount only apply to the 510 or does it also apply to the 710?
Bill, the RVND 5510 was designed specifically for RV's and it sounds like motorhomes in particular. As I recall the 710 is for Truckers. Each have some unique attributes oriented to their specific market focus. The beginning of this thread outlines many of the attributes of the 5510 and there was a previous thread a few months ago that outlined the 710 truckers version.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on June 28, 2011, 06:47:08 pm
Pierce, you may be right but I just ordered one anyway. Yes Carol, now I can have 4 GPS' telling me where to go.
Our GPS has been sending us right through the middle of towns even if there were a bypass for the last two years. It will be worth paying a little extra to avoid those narrow streets and small town traffic on even one trip.
Kent,
Sounds like just the ticket. How about an initial review after you have played with it and another after a trip or two? Lots of features so be as wordy as you like. I have not seen another review out there for it yet.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Harvey Nelson on June 29, 2011, 09:43:19 am
I would like to know how easy it is to find the next Starbucks. Audrey likes her mid afternoon Mocha fix. On my Nuvi we have to re-enter the string, letter by letter, each time.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Michelle on June 29, 2011, 10:07:28 am
Pierce, you may be right but I just ordered one anyway. Yes Carol, now I can have 4 GPS' telling me where to go.
Kent, let us know what you think when you try it out.
Steve, please continue with any other feedback or comment as you use it more.
Jill, our Streetpilot 2620, is starting to have touchscreen problems, so we're very tempted by the new RM 5510. Of course about the time we decide to buy one, Garmin will probably come out with a competitive offering...
Michelle
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: J. D. Stevens on June 29, 2011, 12:44:15 pm
I would like to know how easy it is to find the next Starbucks. Audrey likes her mid afternoon Mocha fix. On my Nuvi we have to re-enter the string, letter by letter, each time.
Nuvi -> Menu -> Where To? -> Points of Interest -> Food -> v Cafe or Diner -> Starbucks
Alternate method for Nuvi: visit Starbucks Coffee - North America | POI Factory (http://www.poi-factory.com/node/12311) Get the appropriate software from Garmin and load the Starbucks list to your Garmin. Then:
Nuvi -> Menu -> Where To? -> Extras -> Custom POIs -> Starbucks
On our Nuvi we have: Campgrounds and RV Parks, Cracker Barrel, Pilot Flying J, Speed Trap, RestAreasCombined, Truck_Stops, Wal-Mart_US&Canada, NPR-Stations
You can set any of them to alert you based on proximity. We don't use them very often. We used NPR-Stations most recently.
On the iPhone: Maps -> Locate Me Button -> Search -> Starbucks -> Directions -> Route
The iPhone will remember a few of you recent search phrases.
The routes to Starbucks are not likely to be friendly to big rigs via any GPS. But if you are in your "big rig," you should be able to brew your own.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Bill & Kim on June 29, 2011, 12:53:01 pm
Bill, the RVND 5510 was designed specifically for RV's and it sounds like motorhomes in particular. As I recall the 710 is for Truckers. Each have some unique attributes oriented to their specific market focus. The beginning of this thread outlines many of the attributes of the 5510 and there was a previous thread a few months ago that outlined the 710 truckers version.
Thanks, Kent. Escapees is also offering a $50 discount for the 510 for those who are members.
I would like to know how easy it is to find the next Starbucks.
Somewhat along these lines, in a discussion on the FMCA board it's mentioned that you cannot load custom POI files on the RM 5510. That's something to consider if you're accustomed to using those (such as the list/coordinates of all Starbucks, Walmarts, etc.)
-M
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Harvey Nelson on July 02, 2011, 09:32:59 am
A big thanks to both JD Stevens and Michelle re using POIs. I need to take advantage of them. I was only vaguely familiar with them. Now that I'm aware it is certainly a deal breaker re the 5510.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on July 02, 2011, 10:59:44 am
Within several seconds, my TomTom (and probably the 5510) can located all the restaurants including Starbucks or Wal-Mart using another category, close to me, on my route or at my destination. All without having to enter any information, just tapping the screen about 3 times. A lot more involved trying to spell it out when driving as it is mounted close to me on the back edge of the windshield. The 5510 must be able to do something like this with a minimum of fuss. As more Starbucks for example are built, the updates should catch a lot of them (but updates may not be free and they only catch about 50% of the new ones).
I love my iPhone but if I don't have any bars or have bars but no data plan, it's useless as unlike a dedicated GPS, it needs a connection for most apps to work.
It may be the 5510 will have a firmware update that will allow custom POIs to be entered. This question might be a good one on a GPS forum.
For new RM 5510 owners, how is the internal speaker? That was my big complaint on the Nuvi. I could not understand it half the time.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Patricia on July 02, 2011, 12:51:18 pm
So far they are free. I expect that will likely change, though. There are updates every week or so.
Steve, this depends on the type of update... here's the scoop from Rand McNally's RVND 5510 FAQ page (boldface and italics are mine for emphasis):
"The TripMaker RVND is fully functional out of the box, but as a Rand McNally customer, you are entitled to exclusive Rand McNally updates. The frequency of updates varies from every month for free Rand McNally road construction updates, to quarterly for free software updates. Rand McNally also provides free RV restriction updates throughout the year based on feedback from Tell Rand, as well as our own ongoing research. The Tell Rand feedback requires research verification and updates are 2-4 times per year. Once per year, a full map update will be made available for a competitive price."
In addition to the lack of ability to enter custom POIs from an outside data source (eg, we like the NPR station POIs), which is not a complete deal-breaker for us, the other lack of functionality is the inability to enter a custom route which you have pre-planned on your laptop.
While I can't completely do this with our Garmin c530 StreetPilot, I can plan a multi-stop route with Garmin's MapSource software on the laptop (which, BTW, works with Google Earth - very cool!). The stops that I create to define my route become waypoints that upload into the Garmin unit. Later, as we travel, I can select these as "favorites" (since that's how Garmin uploads my waypoints).
Finally, on the FMCA forum, here is a post from a few days ago that has now convinced me to continue using our Garmin until it dies:
"I purchased my 5510 from Camping World last week. I now have NO hair on my head after trying to enter a multi-stop cross country. I visited with 2 RM techs and both gave me the same answer basically you CANNOT enter a route of your desire and you cannot look in detail at a planned trip except for the first leg. They told me that it would send you the "best" route within the law. It sent me down narrow winding two lane farm-to-market roads when a direct 4 lane highway was available and shorter plus faster."
Sigh.... :(
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: sgkarnes on July 02, 2011, 01:37:08 pm
Does the rule " never buy the first version of anything" apply?
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Patricia on July 02, 2011, 02:06:51 pm
Pierce, you may be right but I just ordered one anyway. Yes Carol, now I can have 4 GPS' telling me where to go.
Our GPS has been sending us right through the middle of towns even if there were a bypass for the last two years. It will be worth paying a little extra to avoid those narrow streets and small town traffic on even one trip.
That is why I also use that paper thing called a "map". the DeLorme atlases we purchased are very detailed and I can clearly see that a "loop" exists around towns. I alert Jeff and we can deviate if the Nagigator does not pick it up.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: PatC on July 02, 2011, 06:50:01 pm
I would like to know how easy it is to find the next Starbucks.
Somewhat along these lines, in a discussion on the FMCA board it's mentioned that you cannot load custom POI files on the RM 5510. That's something to consider if you're accustomed to using those (such as the list/coordinates of all Starbucks, Walmarts, etc.)
-M
Which is why I am extremely happy with my Microsoft Streets and Trips combined with my Garmin Nuvi 265WT
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on July 03, 2011, 11:30:29 am
I would like to know how easy it is to find the next Starbucks. Audrey likes her mid afternoon Mocha fix. On my Nuvi we have to re-enter the string, letter by letter, each time.
I just got my 5510 yesterday so I am by no means an expert but I did try to find Starbucks here in Oklahoma. From the origination screen, click "Choose Destination", click "Points of Interest", click "My RV" or "My Route" depending upon whether you are moving of stopped for the night, click "More", click "Coffee Shop" and if there is a Starbucks within 50 miles it will pull it up in a list of coffee shops. If you are farther away from an area with Starbucks or don't want to search the list, you can start to spell Starbucks and by the third click it will pull up all Starbucks within 100 miles.
I have not found a way to exclude Starbucks but I will keep trying. I really don't care for the taste of Strarbucks.
OOps! I really didn't mean to offend or start a Coffee War!!! Each to his own.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Harvey Nelson on July 03, 2011, 12:10:20 pm
Kent, that sounds pretty slick. I guess I'm back on the fence re a new fancy Nuvi with lifetime maps or this unit. An RV specific unit vice options like POIs and lifetime map updates. Nothing is easy.
Re the coffee, that's an Audrey thing when we're out in the car.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on July 03, 2011, 12:41:51 pm
Harvey, I'm sure you know I was just ribbing you. I can't seem to control that part of my personality.
It looks like the annual, full updates are going to be priced at $79. I have had one of my Garmins for 6 years and never updated the maps and have never had a problem because of that. My other Garmin is two years old and has never been updated, again without causing any problems. So, updating is not a high priority for me. Having the options to avoid those dirt roads, single lane weight restricted bridges and roads and downtown traffic is important. I like the idea that it will warn me of upcoming steep grades and tight turns. We shall see if this thing really does help with that or not. I have no current trips planned so it will be a while before I can evaluate it that way.
Have a great Holiday Weekend.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on July 03, 2011, 01:41:03 pm
I never have seen the justification for updaters since they cost a high percentage of a new discounted GPS with the latest maps already installed. Smart phone apps are constantly being updated for free and include apps for Wal-Marts with no overnight stays, rest areas, campground locations and reviews, trails, etc. Since most of us have these phones, they can work well along with a dedicated GPS and a paper atlas (my favorite is Benchmark). I have used several atlases that did not indicate unimproved gravel roads, a real bummer if you planned your trip with this route in mind and the road was not as expected.
A good internal speaker is a high priority as I don't like to take time to bluetooth to the radio. The bigger the screen, the better. 5" good, 7'' better. Also hate warning messages every time I start up the unit.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: George Stoltz on July 03, 2011, 01:46:11 pm
Pierce,
I am with you on the updates. It takes six hours on ours and still does not have the latest POI we want or tells us our destination is on the left, when it is on the right. These goofs are rare and we would not be without our Garmin. But they are not perfect.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Paul Smith on July 03, 2011, 02:27:31 pm
I was surprised to see the GPS that came with my Droid X shows the dirt road to Lake Lotto outside Channing Michigan (in western UP)
The GPS is pretty anazing in general.
best, paul On Jul 3, 2011 1:41 PM, "Pierce & Gaylie Stewart" wrote:
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I never have seen the justification for updaters since they cost a high percentage of a new discounted GPS with the latest maps already installed. Smart phone apps are constantly being updated for free and include apps for Wal-Marts with no overnight stays, rest areas, campground locations and reviews, trails, etc. Since most of us have these phones, they can work well along with a dedicated GPS and a paper atlas (my favorite is Benchmark). I have used several atlases that did not indicate unimproved gravel roads, a real bummer if you planned your trip with this route in mind and the road was not as expected.
A good internal speaker is a high priority as I don't like to take time to bluetooth to the radio. The bigger the screen, the better. 5" good, 7'' better. Also hate warning messages every time I start up the unit.
Pierce & Gaylie '93 U300/36
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Horace B. Cupp on July 03, 2011, 05:18:46 pm
"Since most of us have these phones, they can work well along with a dedicated GPS and a paper atlas (my favorite is Benchmark)"
Pierce & Gaylie. I must be very retarded, I do not own a smart phone and frankly can't think of a good reason to have one. It raises the question whether most of us DO have one, I wonder? Might be a good subject for a poll.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on July 03, 2011, 05:22:35 pm
Horace, I put off getting one until last fall and now I wouldn't be without my iPhone.They truly are one of the handiest gadgets ever made. I will admit though that I have always been a bit of a gadget nut, emphasis on the nut part, but they are not nearly as complicated as I thought they would be and there are many useful applications.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on July 03, 2011, 05:27:51 pm
I have an old Motorola Flip phone, It does two things, rings when I have a call and lets me dial a call. My kids think I am retarded. :) For travel I use Street Atlas on My laptop with a Road Atlas as a Backup. Gary B
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on July 03, 2011, 06:01:46 pm
Gary I hear you but I traveled my whole career having driven over one million miles by 1992. From the day I got my first GPS, it was a Garmin iQue 3000, my travels to new areas where far more relaxing and I would usually get to my destination considerably faster because I could avoid heavy traffic without fear of getting lost. My first trip with the GPS was from Benton Harbor, MI via Chicago to Milwaukee. It took three hours where the day before without a GPS the same trip took 6 hours. With the GPS I was able to get off of the toll ways whenever traffic started to back up and then get back on. I would never have ventured off of the toll ways without the GPS to keep me close to the toll way and get me back on it when I could see it was clear.
Some technology actually simplifies life.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: George Stoltz on July 03, 2011, 06:16:02 pm
My first trip with the GPS was from Benton Harbor, MI via Chicago to Milwaukee. It took three hours where the day before without a GPS the same trip took 6 hours.
Kent,
That trip is 190 miles. You were doing some kind of driving to do it in 3 hours.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on July 03, 2011, 06:38:59 pm
OK so maybe it was four hours and it wasn't really Milwaukee it was south of Kenosha but it was a whole lot easier than without a GPS and it was at least five years ago. I moved a lot faster then.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Bill & Kim on July 03, 2011, 07:33:07 pm
I have an old Motorola Flip phone, It does two things, rings when I have a call and lets me dial a call. Gary B
Gawd... I sure loved my Motorola StarTac... simple, small, great belt clip holder... only thing missing from that flip phone was Scotty beaming me up... ^.^d
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Keith and Joyce on July 03, 2011, 08:18:10 pm
Was in a Rosd Pilot store today and the same GPS was on sale as a "Truckers GPS". Even had truck where the RV is on the other one. Sure hope they have really made it a real RV orientated one.
Keith
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on July 03, 2011, 09:35:45 pm
Slightly off the RM 5510 subject but since others have brought it up.
My wife still looks at the iPhone with suspicion but they come in handy for a lot of stuff. For those not acquainted with one, they are just a miniature computer/GPS that also doubles as a cell phone. They can contact AAA for you, make phone calls to anywhere in the world either for free or for $.02/minute from the U.S. or abroad (Skype), provide turn by turn GPS guidance, read restaurant reviews in the town you are passing through (and get GPS directions to it), read and send email, take and send photos or video and a million other things. EZ, not much of a learning curve either. Without breaking the bank, you can get a prepaid plan for $.10/minute or $2.00 a day for each day that you use the phone for voice calls. Separate data plans are available so you can go on-line or just visit a hotspot like Starbucks where you can internet all day to your hearts content for free. You can buy one without an expensive monthly contract/bill as I did using the above prepaid plan. I got by with my regular cell phone just fine until my son loaned me his iPhone for a day. Sold!
Not putting regular cell owners down at all. Just nice to have a cell phone sized item (read toy) that can replace so many different devices and do it well without having to be a rocket scientist.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on July 11, 2011, 07:47:59 pm
Well, today was my first day with the RM 5510 and my old Garmin 255W and my Motion X iPhone GPS. Yes Carol I am still using multiple GPS' instead of a MAP.
I have always really liked my Garmins but I have to say I like the RM 5510 better. I haven't challenged it yet, just driving the interstate today, but I really like the clarity of the verbal instructions and some of the warnings are much sooner than those given by the Garmin or the iPhone. So far so good. I'll post more as I get more time and experience with it.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Paul Smith on July 11, 2011, 08:03:43 pm
The free navigation app in our Droid X is pretty impressive. It uses satellites.
The recalc is also impressive. No sooner that we miss a turn and we already have the new route.
best, paul
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I haven't challenged it yet, just driving the interstate today, but I really like the clarity of the verbal instructions and some of the warnings are much sooner than those given by the Garmin or the iPhone. So far so good. I'll post more as I get more time and experience with it.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: wa_desert_rat on October 16, 2011, 12:20:17 pm
Ok... I altered the subject line to indicate that there is a choice in RV-specific GPS units. The Magellan Roadmate Pro 9165T is a 7" display GPS which you can - they say - customize to your RV. That is, you can put in the height, weight, length, etc. and you should be able to get a route that will work for you. The RoadMate Pro also has Good Sam and other campground information built-in; this should include the various municipal, state and federal campgrounds, too. These also have speed limit for where you are displayed. Lifetime updates.
Also, the WorldNav GPS for trucks 7400 does much the same thing for about the same price but includes an option for $200 more to plug in a rear-view camera (in case you don't have one... or yours is unsuitable for some reason).
The cost is about for the Magellan is $399 and Amazon has 'em.
PS: We don't have a Foretravel as yet... but we're working on the financing to buy one locally right now.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: MAZ on October 16, 2011, 06:51:33 pm
That world nav option for a backup monitor sounds interesting. I will have to look into that.
Mark
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Michelle on October 16, 2011, 07:31:15 pm
The Magellan Roadmate Pro 9165T is a 7" display GPS which you can - they say - customize to your RV. That is, you can put in the height, weight, length, etc. and you should be able to get a route that will work for you.
I looked at the reviews on Amazon (just a few); looks like one reviewer marked it low because you can't input GPS coordinates.
Amazon.com: Magellan Pro 9165T RoadMate: GPS & Navigation (http://www.amazon.com/Magellan-Pro-9165T-RoadMate/dp/B005DSPL9E/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1318807765&sr=8-4)
I wish Garmin would come out with an RV-specific GPS with Streetpilot (rather than Nuvi) capability. Sticking with Jill, our Streetpilot 2720 for now.
Michelle
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on October 16, 2011, 08:07:34 pm
Total agreement on the StreetPilot 2720, that info in the Nuvi case with a hot button for Wally World / Sams Club, like the find home button would be great for me. ;D
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Don & Tys on October 16, 2011, 10:04:31 pm
The magellan is an interesting unit... It does have an A/V input to hook up your iPod or back up cam as well. I am hoping Magellan or whoever will release an iPad version of their RV software, as the 10" responsive touch screen would be killer! I haven't used any of the newer touchscreen units, but after the iPad and iPhone, I could never go back to the kind that leave you wondering if it even registered your touch. I used to have an in dash unit that frustrated me to no end because you would touch it, wait until it seemed that it didn't take, so you do it again only to execute a command on the next screen that wasn't even visible yet. Don
Ok... I altered the subject line to indicate that there is a choice in RV-specific GPS units. The Magellan Roadmate Pro 9165T is a 7" display GPS which you can - they say - customize to your RV. That is, you can put in the height, weight, length, etc. and you should be able to get a route that will work for you. The RoadMate Pro also has Good Sam and other campground information built-in; this should include the various municipal, state and federal campgrounds, too. These also have speed limit for where you are displayed. Lifetime updates.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: amos.harrison on October 17, 2011, 07:47:30 am
I bought a Garmin Dezl 560 last summer after my beloved Streetpilot 2820 screen died. I wanted the Magellan until I read the reviews, especially its inability to insert via points. I love the much bigger screen, but not the limited screen detail. I love the speed limit and traffic info, and the ability to specify your rig specs, though the first time I encountered a low bridge in Arkansas I noticed too late that the screen was telling me it didn't have data on that road. Luckily I was able to dump air and make it through.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Peter & Beth on April 24, 2013, 12:53:15 pm
It's been awhile since we're discussed GPS capabilities. I am a devout Garmin user. Anyone with the Garmin Dezl that can give an review/update on functionality? How about the product from Rand McNally? I've heard the RM product is not all that great user friendly-wise. This may be very applicable to me as having used the Garmin exclusively, this old dog may take a lot of retraining to figure out a Rand McNally product and be comfortable following its processes and features.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: wa_desert_rat on April 24, 2013, 12:59:36 pm
I've been using the co-pilot chipset (SDcard) on a Magellan 7" GPS for over a year with good results. I can customize it as to type of rig and especially the voice it uses (some are better than others).
Co-pilot also has an app (at least for Android... not sure if it is available for IOS) that I've used but it's somewhat frustrating. Probably mostly because I have not yet figured it out completely. It's on my 7" Samsung Tab II and is easy to see with turn-by-turn instructions... and was free. :D
Craig
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Michelle on April 24, 2013, 01:00:02 pm
How about the product from Rand McNally? I've heard the RM product is not all that great user friendly-wise.
I haven't seen anything recently, but do know RVers were complaining last year that the R-M units were routing people on parkways in NYS. Those are passenger-car-only roads. It would give me pause about other routing choices (bridges, tunnels, height restrictions, etc.) if R-M couldn't get that one correct.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on April 24, 2013, 01:02:03 pm
Peter, we went from years of Garmin use to the RM5510. The user interface is different but not all that bad. We still use it in the coach rather than our two Garmins. It seems to have better routing for a motohome vs the Garmin. We do use the Garmins in the cars though.
I am also just starting to use Microsoft Streets and Trips on a netbook bot so far I like the RM better.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on April 24, 2013, 01:04:01 pm
Peter, we went from years of Garmin use to the RM5510. The user interface is different but not all that bad but it does make mistakes calling paved highways dirt roads, kinda surprising for RM. However, we still use it in the coach rather than our two Garmins. It seems to have better routing for a motohome vs the Garmin. We do use the Garmins in the cars though.
I am also just starting to use Microsoft Streets and Trips on a netbook bot so far I like the RM better.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Peter & Beth on April 24, 2013, 01:14:28 pm
My only interest in the GPS is for directions, I have all the other tools for treking in the iPhoine...campgrounds, fuel, rest stops, etc. Beth wants to go East this summer and we all know how the roads are in the Northeast...narrow & low bridge clearance. The tool I need is one that is more like a trucker's needs (keep me out of trouble). So...Garmin Dezl or R-M?
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on April 24, 2013, 01:16:43 pm
Garmin has lead me onto roads I didn't like. The RM has not.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Peter & Beth on April 24, 2013, 01:19:48 pm
Garmin has lead me onto roads I didn't like. The RM has not.
Kent, I am assuming that the Garmin Dezl would follow a different route for trucks only vs. the car Garmin models.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on April 24, 2013, 01:42:17 pm
I am not familiar with that model but if Garmin makes on for big rigs I would be very interested in it. I really don't like the RM interface very much. It seems to me that a GPS could be made for big rigs with a much better and more usable program.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Dave Head on April 24, 2013, 03:35:00 pm
I got a free map upgrade on my Garmin (good old reliable 2720) in late 2010 when they lost my registration. I normally upgrade every 2 years. I went back today and the lifetime map offer (4X/year) was down to 89.00. Lessee, 89 bucks vs $316.00 for the RVND 7720LM? My Garmin 2620 and 2720 have always show me the best route. I'll keeps my money in my pocket for another year or two. Real time weather could be cool, but not that cool.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: PatC on April 24, 2013, 03:56:18 pm
Kent, I am assuming that the Garmin Dezl would follow a different route for trucks only vs. the car Garmin models.
You can add Low Clearance to your Garmin, if you have one. Low Clearance GPS Data (http://www.lowclearances.com/index.html)
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on April 24, 2013, 07:05:41 pm
Pat, that's cool. You just earned a Karma.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: amos.harrison on April 24, 2013, 10:12:22 pm
I've had my Garmin Dezl 560 for over a year, and have found it to be excellent. You put in your coach stats: length(I included the toad), weight, height and width. It has never steered my onto an unacceptable road, though I have been on some very small roads that it alerted that it had no information on it. My Dezl came with lifetime free map updates and traffic reporting. I'm still getting used to the traffic functionality. i keep forgetting I have it. Then it wants me to get off an interstate when I know I don't want to. Sure enough, all lanes stopped for an accident, and I sit there cursing myself. The screen is a good size. It took me a while to realize how many parts of the screen are active, leading you to other features. I miss the screen detail of earlier Garmins, but a guess that's the price of the latest software. If anyone has specific questions, let me know.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Don Hay on April 24, 2013, 10:32:57 pm
To quote Brett: "I'm still getting used to the traffic functionality."
Brett,
I have had my Garmin for a couple years and still don't understand what seeing the two green traffic lanes is telling me. ::) Sometimes it has ".05" next to it and is amber in color. Other times it is red. What does this mean? ??? I have never noticed a correlation to the actual traffic surrounding me. I'd appreciate being clued in.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: John S on April 24, 2013, 11:18:02 pm
I have traffic. I find that it works off and on. It sometimes says traffic where there is none and other times it is stopped. I find that the apple map system has a better traffic feature than the garmin
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: John Haygarth on April 24, 2013, 11:46:28 pm
I got a Garmin Nuvi 465 before leaving for south late last year and it is a trucker one, but you can switch over to car. It gives all the truck stops fuel places, engine repair and breakdown info in the area you are in. It tells you when the road is eith too narrow for you or no trucks allowed etc. You put in all the info on sizes like others and so far so good. takes rtime to understand their language on what to do etc. My older Garmin needed a lot of updates and cost more to do than the $140 this one cost. John H
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: amos.harrison on April 25, 2013, 07:24:41 am
With the Dezl it's easy to switch from RV to car(or truck for that matter). Don, the Dezl doesn't have traffic info by lane as far as I've noticed. It does have a symbol showing traffic slowing or stopping ahead on your route.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Peter & Beth on April 25, 2013, 09:27:34 am
Our current Garmin 2460 has traffic. It's not clear how it works, but it works. Last trip from Florida I ignored taking an exit on I-75N...I was very sorry I ignored the routing suggestion from "Jill".
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Kent Speers on April 25, 2013, 09:56:06 am
Do you have to pay extra for the traffic service?
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Peter & Beth on April 25, 2013, 10:08:22 am
Garmin uses the nomenclature for whether Traffic is included for life in the model number. I purchased 2460LMT from Costco last year. The LMT implies Lifetime Maps & Traffic. The unit comes with a transmitter to receive traffic information within the power cord.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: wa_desert_rat on April 25, 2013, 11:03:09 am
One way or another, you pay. With many of these you get ads right along with your traffic advisories. Since we seldom find ourselves in large cities with traffic problems (our trips are usually 100 or 200 miles in relatively sparsely populated eastern Washington) I purposely bought a GPS without traffic but with lifetime maps.
But I would pay extra for lifetime traffic with no ads. But ads are a game-stopper for me.
Craig
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Michael & Jackie on April 25, 2013, 11:05:45 am
I recently ran the RM 7720 versus some model Garmin that I have, side by side, on the trip. My observations.
Both missed some speed limits because Texas increased to 75 mph on some highways. This would not have been noteworthy if it were previously a 70 mph but some were on 55 mph roads. Results same on both though the RM was a bit more up to date, due to its more recent purchase I think. I need to connect to RM and update.
The RM has much functionality that at first seems unneeded but in time became more than a curiosity, it may be that I will use it. Such as averaging speeds, times driving/stopped, the ability to adjust colors and brightness easily.....big benefit at night driving...and more data collected.
THe RM did however decide to take me thru Crockett, Texas. The proper route is around the town, the town square is not driver friendly in a large RV. I wonder though if I had some setting that dictated this route thru town. I had it set on the scenic route. Maybe fastest would have been better.
I think that the more scenic route also detoured me to send me part of the trip on the OSR, a great drive in a car due to scenery, but not for an RV....road can be narrow at times, lots of curves. Did not change miles though over the fastest route.
I really liked the 7 inch screen. I imagine the Magellan would be about the same, I guess the Garmin now comes in that size. But I would very much want the large screen. I do recommend the hood to reduce glare on the screen.
The RM has two ways to charge.....110v AC and 12v. Probably common to all brands? You can listen to Tom or Samantha telling you to slow down, you are approaching a lower speed zone. Or you can tell it to hush. Good. Turn directions verbalized though are good so I rather like Samantha being there.
Still, I better know where I am going before I hit the road. RM is a help, it is not my only guide....I have prior trip study, Forum members for ideas and a good co-pilot ("were we supposed to exit back there?"). For our next 800 mile trip I know a better way than it does because I know the roads. I can tell it the route I want, but imagine all of you have seen that on all devices. If you are new to these devices, be forewarned its route may not really be the best.
I like the access to the traffic conditions, I like the ability to display (or not) fuel, cafes and such along the route, to include my own points of interest and plan in stops, to map areas/roads to avoid on the next trip in an area. I do not think the data records on fuel and such will replace my 50 cents notebook.
I you should get this model and want help, print out their book, get Staples to bind it, and if you want to talk, give me a PM and I will call you, see if I can help more. (PS, I do not think the RM 7720 is best, it is just what I used to move from my little Garmin screen.)
Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Peter & Beth on April 25, 2013, 12:12:35 pm
Again, since I purchased my Garmin LMT last year I cannot attest as to the newer models, but I do not get ads with my traffic Garmin.
Mike on my Garmin if you touch the speed limit icon you can update the speed limit on the unit.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Tim Fiedler on April 25, 2013, 05:06:33 pm
I Like the traffic on the RM 7720, but I have to have the "lane assist" feature. I travel a quite a few interstates and go various places. Only time I have hit anything in my MH is when I was confused which lane to be in for the next maneuver (there were four lanes of interstate, and three different options at this point, I was trying to get from the second lane to the curb lane on passenger side and as I slowed I was "clipped" by a tractor trailer tearing off mirror, damaging entry door and Girard awning.
Lane assist shows a computer generated picture of which lane to be in and what the actual signs look like at the split/join/intersection, etc.
Here in Chicago we have two places of four lane interstate where each of the four lanes gets you to a different road/exit/direction. If you are in the wrong one, the recovery can take many minutes and miles. So for me, the large screen and lane assist on the RM make it my toy of choice in MH.
Still back it up with iphone, since the iPhone traffic is "crowd sourced" and more current, accurate and coves side streets.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Peter & Beth on April 25, 2013, 07:50:52 pm
The Garmin I currently have as well as the Dezl both have the lane assist feature. I agree it is a great feature to have.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Michelle on April 25, 2013, 09:06:48 pm
I've had my Garmin Dezl 560 for over a year, and have found it to be excellent.
Brett - really appreciate your feedback ^.^d
I spent quite a while reading reviews of the RM units and the Garmins online today (don't tell Steve, I visited another RV forum :-X But "The Google" made me do it ;) ).
First Impression: Garmin Dezl 760LMT GPS Unit - iRV2 Forums (http://www.irv2.com/forums/f53/first-impression-garmin-dezl-760lmt-gps-unit-148624.html)
We have a Streetpilot 2720 that has served us well, but is challenging to update and has gotten cranky on occasion.
I just ordered a Garmin Dezl 760LMT. The primary differences between the 560 and the 760 being screen size and the 760 has a smartphone link (Android app) capability that let you use your data plan (ours - grandfathered, unlimited) for (additional, beyond the traffic-receiver-data) live traffic and weather if needed. Well, and price....
Crutchfield - free shipping, no tax, and I had a coupon code 3A788 that saved $25 :thumbsup: . I also sprung for the bean bag mount since we'll use the new Garmin in both cars and the coach and the car dashes aren't flat.
-M
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Carol & Scott on April 25, 2013, 09:14:59 pm
We chose the RM 7720 over the others available on the market - not sure why. It's still new to us and we are still learning how it works. Documentation sucks. It did lead us down a series of narrow Farm to Market roads here in Texas - that was not fun. We later found out that we could choose a setting that would exclude narrow roads. Our Garmin ran us through some rough stuff too. Once I start to depend on it, it screws up. As on our boat, I try not to depend on the GPS but try to review all roads on a paper map before and during the trip. The navigator, my DW keeps us on track - except when she is sleeping. We could connect to traffic and weather but it would cost extra via cell data pack - we do not have unlimited usage.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Peter & Beth on April 25, 2013, 09:41:05 pm
Crutchfield - free shipping, no tax, and I had a coupon code 3A788 that saved $25 :thumbsup: . I also sprung for the bean bag mount since we'll use the new Garmin in both cars and the coach and the car dashes aren't flat.
-M
Michelle, thanks for the coupon suggestion. I was waiting for just such a deal, but Google was not my friend until you suggested Crutchfield's. My order is place. No shipping costs and $25 off. Many Thanks & Karma to YOU! :dance:
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: amos.harrison on April 25, 2013, 10:12:05 pm
The way the Lane Assist works on the DEZL is amazing. It looks just like a photo of the place you're driving through. And no ads for traffic. I update whenever I get an alert, but they haven't caught up to the Texas 75mph limits yet, I manually update as I see them.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: J. D. Stevens on April 26, 2013, 12:07:50 pm
We use Garmin Nuvi 765T, with LM upgrade. I've had it several years. It's so old I replaced the Li-ion batteries a few weeks ago. I use it in the car and in the coach. I've been pretty satisfied with it. It's handy to move between coach and towed. I use it mostly to show ETA and give me a daily summary of overall average speed, moving average, time moving, time stopped, and measured distance. It also does a good job on lane positioning for turns. The voice prompts can be very helpful navigating freeways in unfamiliar territory. The traffic indicator is fair and shows no advertisements during operation. There are some "coupons" listed somewhere from the traffic service, but they are so inconsequential I don't remember where they show up. Since I recently learned to tilt it sideways a bit when wearing polarized sunglasses, it is much easier to read.
I also "collect" locations as we visit places to remember. I have a list of quilt shops, camp grounds, and residences in my "Favorites." I have also added special POIs that I found on line for campgrounds, rest areas, NPR stations, and Flying J stations. I find the Allstays Camp & RV app on the iPhone more convenient to use for all but the NPR stations.
I use Google Maps to plan a route, then tweak the Garmin with waypoints to take the route I want.
On Tuesday, I received DeLorme Street Maps Plus. So far it is $50 for curiosity satisfied, but it appears to be of little use to me. It may work for trip planning, but I think Google Maps is as good or better for my purposes.
I continue to be interested in folk's experiences using the Garmin Dezl and RM 7720.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: philtravel on April 26, 2013, 06:38:18 pm
I have the Garmin Dezl. It has been good and I am used to the Garmin menu drives from other ones i have used. I have not been following this thread and did not go back too far so if it has been mentioned already sorry. I have the 60.00 Garmin app (streets & trips). They say it can be put on 4 devices but have it on at least 5 so far. It works well with the I Phone and the I pad & mini. It does not have inputs for your profile but it has some advantages over the dedicated GPS's. 1) It allows you to Goggle search for places and does it knowing where you are! 2) It pulls out of your contacts which saves inputting the address if you already have it. 3) you always have your phone/I Pad with you so whether it is a backup or your walking or in the car whatever? You will likely have a real GPS at your disposal. I shared the app with my daughter and my wife and I both have it on our phones and I Pads. I use it for work all the time. It also gives the voice directions and shows pictures of the intersections just like the regular GPS.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Carl Sandel on April 30, 2013, 12:35:20 am
I've read what I believe to be all of the posts on this thread about gps so I don't "think" I'm off by asking this question. Sadly but true, I have never ever used any type of gps at all ! Never used google maps, Verizon directions or any of them. If my wife wasn't in the seat next to me telling me where to turn or I didn't have a mapquest map printed and not going very far from home......I didn't go. Seriously. However, last weekend a few friends were getting together in Chicago at 2 different locations. One was familiar near O'Hare and right off the highway ( I could do that one by myself with medium + stress ) The other location was in a suburb about 30 miles away and I had no idea what to do.
I was driving my wifes van since the coach has been locked up all winter in the barn AND I have been having new COMPLETE brakes installed...but that's another story.
So, the long and short of it was that I borrowed my neighbors Magellan Roadmate 1424. I think it is 3 years old, seemed pretty simplistic and I knew nothing about it other than he put it in my hand and said "figure it out"!
I was able to type in the address and it took me right there. I was very surprised and decided I would buy one.
Well, now that I am looking at the possibility it seems there are a lot of options and not that I need them all because it will only add stress to my personal situation.
If I weren't getting a new phone in about 2 weeks I probably wouldn't ask this, but since I am, I wonder if anyone has experience that my sway me one direction or another. I've never been an "i" anything guy although I understand that Apple is pretty awesome. I am an Android user and seem to be happy with it. I will be purchasing the new Samsung Galaxy Note II and with that.......I'd like to know if anyone knows if there is some sort of app that would allow me the ability of HEARING directions like on any stand alone gps?
Although I played with the neighbors Magellan a little bit and thought that features like "gas stations, hotels & food" at exits was cool, I was just happy to hear where to turn to get me to my destination. As I thought about it I realized that one with the option of TRUCK or CAR would be great when I was going to travel in the coach. AND, now that I've read about some of the other options you folks have mentioned like traffic conditions and lane assistance would REALLY be nice.
I like gadgets as much as the next guy but I am pretty archaic and don't buy new toys until they are so outdated that my kids literally laugh out loud at me. So, when I buy this new phone that it supposed to be the cats pajama's, does anyone know if there is such a gps app for it or any android that would allow me to have some of the helpful features mentioned in this thread without having to purchase a stand alone gps?
Any ideas would be much appreciated and very helpful. I get overwhelmed when it comes to technology and this phone is already going to be a handful, but if it does what I need, I'll just keep adding to it and not have to have a lot of other gizmo's.
Thanks in advance :) t
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Tim Fiedler on April 30, 2013, 06:55:24 am
Google maps.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Peter & Beth on April 30, 2013, 08:32:18 am
I know...I got that too, Tim. It doesn't help me when driving in New England to help me evade their numerous low clearance overpasses, usually rail road.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Michelle on April 30, 2013, 08:43:14 am
I'd like to know if anyone knows if there is some sort of app that would allow me the ability of HEARING directions like on any stand alone gps?
The Google Maps navigator that's available free on Android phones does speak the directions. We use our Galaxy S3's for a lot of our car nav (when we inevitably realize we don't know where a business is and the Garmin is in the other car ::) ). I can't speak to i-hardware since we don't have any.
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So, when I buy this new phone that it supposed to be the cats pajama's, does anyone know if there is such a gps app for it or any android that would allow me to have some of the helpful features mentioned in this thread without having to purchase a stand alone gps?
If you are interested in an app that will have added features for the coach, you might look up CoPilot Live. I don't know much about it, but kept seeing it mentioned on the trucking forums when I was researching standalone GPSes.
Michelle
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: amos.harrison on April 30, 2013, 09:03:00 am
My iPhone5 speaks directions. With Siri, it understands spoken requests for info like restaurants, gas stations, home addresses, etc. Apple caught a lot of grief when it dropped Google, but we've found their map app excellent. it won't, however, distinguish between your car and coach!
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Peter & Beth on April 30, 2013, 09:11:32 am
The Google Maps navigator that's available free on Android phones does speak the directions. We use our Galaxy S3's for a lot of our car nav (when we inevitably realize we don't know where a business is and the Garmin is in the other car ::) ). I can't speak to i-hardware since we don't have any.
If you are interested in an app that will have added features for the coach, you might look up CoPilot Live. I don't know much about it, but kept seeing it mentioned on the trucking forums when I was researching standalone GPSes.
Michelle
That's a real great app!. The one specifically for truckers will work for RV's as well. It is pricey at $150. I should be getting my Dezl today, though. I don't know that I would have purchased the app at that price. Truck-Specific GPS Navigation (http://www.copilotlive.com/us/truck/)
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Tim Fiedler on April 30, 2013, 09:13:06 am
I like to have both a deficated navigator AND a smartphone. Find both in use simultaneously. Yelp, rv websites, and co-pilot navigation done on phone , RM 7720 does the nav.
Title: Re: GPS for RVs - the Rand McNally Tripmaker (added discussion - Garmin Dezl)
Post by: Mark... on April 30, 2013, 09:51:46 am