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Title: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: nitehawk on August 19, 2011, 10:51:08 am
 On our '89 GV the speedometer reads 62 MPH while the GPS says we are doing 56 MPH.
The front tires are 280's and the rears are 235's.(Michelin)
Is the speedo error due to the sender unit being on a front tire or just a normal error due to being an old mechanical Morse speedometer?
We bought the coach like this, but Wayne at FOT says when it comes time to replace to put 235's all around. The coach sits level, handles great, and rides great for an ORED. Don't know why previous owner(s) made this change. Any one else have two different sizes on their coach?
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: wolfe10 on August 19, 2011, 12:13:57 pm
Can't answer your question directly, but many of the VDO speedometers can be calibrated.  I calibrated mine and it is within 1/2 MPH of GPS speed.

I suspect some of the very high MPG claims are the result of a really optimistic speedometer.

Brett
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on August 19, 2011, 12:47:49 pm
Have checked our speedo and odo against GPS and mile markers at different speeds and we are well within 1%. 295/75s on a '93 U300.
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on August 19, 2011, 12:59:44 pm
Larger diameter tires will cause the speedo/odo to read slower than smaller tires at a given speed. Advantage is lower piston travel per mile so better mileage that more than offsets the bigger footprint on the road. Larger size tires may also have a higher load capacity, but read specs. on side of tire. Can go overboard in larger sizes as tires may contact airbag mounts in certain driving conditions. U300 operators should avoid the temptation to fit truck 11.00/22.5 as they are TOO tall and will contact parts of the chassis occasionally.
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 19, 2011, 07:26:49 pm
One of the happiest good surprises was when installed the VMSpc, found the mph was identical on the VMSpc as the GPS, the total engine hours and total coach miles were real close in agreement. Also liked the total fuel burnt history.  It is amazing all the info collected and stored in the Cummins ECM.
Today, I would feel lost / bad trying to drive without the VMSpc.  The speedo does not have a great display and not as accurate as I would like, however the odometer is very close.
It is still a possibility of having the Glass Dash installed by Silverleaf, we have been yaking about it.
After seeing brothers Glass Dash, makes it harder to forget the whole idea.  Just $ $
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: Fred and Dawn on August 20, 2011, 08:32:54 am
I agree with Pierce and Gaylie.  I recently replaced the tires on our '97 U295 with Michelin, XZE2, 295/80 R 22.5's.  These tires have the re-enforced sidewalls and stand a bit taller than original equipment.  This caused them to rub against the air bag mounts when turning.  Gary Omel ground off about 1/4" of the mounts and now all is fine.  I expect the diameter is greater and may well have affected speedometer accuracy.

Fred
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on August 20, 2011, 08:52:58 am
Fred, Are you still running around nekid ?  :) Or have you put new graphics on your coach ?
Gary B
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: Fred and Dawn on August 20, 2011, 09:05:42 am
Casper is no longer.  Need to get some pic's to post, painted similar to original.

Fred
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 20, 2011, 09:29:18 am
I am wondering why anyone would put larger tires on their coach. 
With the tire rubbing issue on the older coaches, it just amazes me Why someone would intentionally put on larger tires and cause rubbing/grinding problems.
I am sure there is a brilliant reason for this.
I am always trying to learn or is it the bigger Johnson issue? ??? 
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: nitehawk on August 20, 2011, 09:39:35 am
Dave, I wish I knew also. Maybe they thought bigger up front was better than bigger behind.
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 20, 2011, 09:45:36 am
For anyone wanting to view the Michelin Truck/RV manual for all your questions, here tis.
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: Michelle on August 20, 2011, 10:24:42 am
For anyone wanting to view the Michelin Truck/RV manual for all your questions, here tis.

Thanks, Dave.  I put a copy in the forum files library as well.
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: J. D. Stevens on August 20, 2011, 12:33:32 pm
There's just no way to keep up with those Metzger boys. One has souped up the engine so much that he is in danger of overloading the rear axle because of weight transfer on acceleration, and the other has so many electronic gadgets that he may have to hire a driver/valet to operate everything.  :P  :P
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: Fred and Dawn on August 20, 2011, 08:02:09 pm
Dave, At the time of the new tire purchase, I was a motorhome owner for lessthan a month.  The tire purchase was made with the original size specifications but with what was proposed to me as a safer more reliable tire having the reenforced sidewalls.  I was not made aware of the tire profile being taller and only learned of the issue a couple days later when I heard the rubbing noise while going around a corner.

I thought I would simply add what happened to me as a way of preventing another "Newbie" from being misled as I was.

I am hoping to continue learning myself while helping others along the way.

Fred

 
Title: Re: Speedometer MPH vs GPS MPH
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 20, 2011, 08:29:52 pm
Fred,
Dont worry, You are not alone here, this is a continual learning forum, we all learn a lot here, and we all make mistakes, do things we wish we could take back and do it different. 
I am aware some people like getting larger tires, I am not sure of the reasoning, but none the less it happens.  This is not the first time this has come up and I am sure it is not the last.
I have been a Foretravel owner since Jan 2008, I have been RVing for 20 years before with an MCI Bus conversion, I can assure you I have made plenty mistakes, spent way too much money on some real dumb things, but I laugh and cry at the same time.
Enjoy
Cheers.