Title: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 25, 2011, 06:35:26 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 25, 2011, 06:35:26 pm
Hello all!
I have just joined this group and will diligently sift through the archives to glean what information I can, but I am hoping to get some current valuation ideas and things to watch for when checking out one of these fine coaches. My partner and I are looking to buy a Diesel Pusher to go full timing in, and one that has caught our eye is a 1999 U270. My significant other is in Canada right now to settle her estate because her father passed away awhile back. So that is our stake and we need to make a good choice because the right motorhome is at the center of our plans for the near future. She had previously owned a 29' class C and I haver never owned an RV. I did drive a 35' school bus for about a year some 28 years ago or so, so I am not intimidated by the size.
So far I have test driven a 1998 37' Gulfstream Sunchaser and a 1994 38' Kountry Star. The Gulfstream, while beautiful on the inside wallowed like a pig in the mud with every manuver and, according to the wall plate, had a pathetic NCC of less than 2000lbs. I figure that chassis was just loaded to close to its limits for good handling. The Newmar handled much better, but on the highway, it needed constant course corrections to stay planted in the lane. We were going to take a look at a 95' american Eagle. I really liked the layout inside of it better than anything else I have looked at online, even considering that it doesn't have a slide out, and the woodwork looked beautiful in the pics. Unfortunately, the dealer let me know that somebody came and put a deposit on it so that one is out of the picture (maybe that is a good thing, who knows?). Having learned about the various chassis types, I have been impressed with everything I have heard about Foretravel's construction methods, capacities and such. In fact the only real negative I have come across is a relatively wide turning circle.
Just last night, I noticed a 1999 36' Foretravel U270 at a dealer not far away, priced in the mid $40's. It has just come on the market (I know because I have been obsessively pouring over search results for a month or more now while trying to educate myself). It is a bit shorter than I was hoping for but chances are, that we would not be able to get a 40' Foretravel for what we can afford (we intend to pay cash). It looks awfully nice and supposedly has all the service records, was always serviced at the Foretravel factory, and was owned by an airline pilot. The only negative I can see is that it has over 140k miles... I would appreciate any and all advice about this model and vintage of coach. I love the idea of the Monocoque construction, Air Disc brakes all round, the 350hp Cummins, etc, etc.
So what do the members of this group think? Should my target be lower milage coach of lesser pedigree, or is this coach just getting started at over 140k miles? Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Don
Nothing yet, but hoping for a nice Foretravel in the near future!
I have just joined this group and will diligently sift through the archives to glean what information I can, but I am hoping to get some current valuation ideas and things to watch for when checking out one of these fine coaches. My partner and I are looking to buy a Diesel Pusher to go full timing in, and one that has caught our eye is a 1999 U270. My significant other is in Canada right now to settle her estate because her father passed away awhile back. So that is our stake and we need to make a good choice because the right motorhome is at the center of our plans for the near future. She had previously owned a 29' class C and I haver never owned an RV. I did drive a 35' school bus for about a year some 28 years ago or so, so I am not intimidated by the size.
So far I have test driven a 1998 37' Gulfstream Sunchaser and a 1994 38' Kountry Star. The Gulfstream, while beautiful on the inside wallowed like a pig in the mud with every manuver and, according to the wall plate, had a pathetic NCC of less than 2000lbs. I figure that chassis was just loaded to close to its limits for good handling. The Newmar handled much better, but on the highway, it needed constant course corrections to stay planted in the lane. We were going to take a look at a 95' american Eagle. I really liked the layout inside of it better than anything else I have looked at online, even considering that it doesn't have a slide out, and the woodwork looked beautiful in the pics. Unfortunately, the dealer let me know that somebody came and put a deposit on it so that one is out of the picture (maybe that is a good thing, who knows?). Having learned about the various chassis types, I have been impressed with everything I have heard about Foretravel's construction methods, capacities and such. In fact the only real negative I have come across is a relatively wide turning circle.
Just last night, I noticed a 1999 36' Foretravel U270 at a dealer not far away, priced in the mid $40's. It has just come on the market (I know because I have been obsessively pouring over search results for a month or more now while trying to educate myself). It is a bit shorter than I was hoping for but chances are, that we would not be able to get a 40' Foretravel for what we can afford (we intend to pay cash). It looks awfully nice and supposedly has all the service records, was always serviced at the Foretravel factory, and was owned by an airline pilot. The only negative I can see is that it has over 140k miles... I would appreciate any and all advice about this model and vintage of coach. I love the idea of the Monocoque construction, Air Disc brakes all round, the 350hp Cummins, etc, etc.
So what do the members of this group think? Should my target be lower milage coach of lesser pedigree, or is this coach just getting started at over 140k miles? Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Don
Nothing yet, but hoping for a nice Foretravel in the near future!
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: wolfe10 on August 25, 2011, 06:44:04 pm
Post by: wolfe10 on August 25, 2011, 06:44:04 pm
140k miles with good maintenance records is just fine. For peace of mind, in addition to looking over the records, do an oil, coolant and perhaps transmission fluid analysis. Get them from any diesel dealer.
BTW, 140 k miles in 12 years is really not high mileage. In fact, IMO closer to idea. It is the ones that have sat for years that are mechanically "challenged".
Brett
BTW, 140 k miles in 12 years is really not high mileage. In fact, IMO closer to idea. It is the ones that have sat for years that are mechanically "challenged".
Brett
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: George Stoltz on August 25, 2011, 06:49:33 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on August 25, 2011, 06:49:33 pm
Don,
Welcome to the forum. You will learn a great deal here. As to the American Eagle. In 2009 my wife and I attended the Ladies Driving School at the factory. There was a couple in attendance that recently bought a newer American Eagle. Apparently, the husband of the couple was so upset at owning the Eagle after he saw what Foretravel had to offer and he was really unhappy. Someone did you a favor.
Foretravel builds a remarkable motorhome. You can pay more or you can pay less. But it would be hard to find better.
As to mileage. If the motorhome you are looking at had the engine properly taken care of, then the engine is barely broken in. Final thought: it is inconceivable that an airline pilot would not have taken care of his motorhome.
Welcome to the forum. You will learn a great deal here. As to the American Eagle. In 2009 my wife and I attended the Ladies Driving School at the factory. There was a couple in attendance that recently bought a newer American Eagle. Apparently, the husband of the couple was so upset at owning the Eagle after he saw what Foretravel had to offer and he was really unhappy. Someone did you a favor.
Foretravel builds a remarkable motorhome. You can pay more or you can pay less. But it would be hard to find better.
As to mileage. If the motorhome you are looking at had the engine properly taken care of, then the engine is barely broken in. Final thought: it is inconceivable that an airline pilot would not have taken care of his motorhome.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 25, 2011, 07:02:38 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 25, 2011, 07:02:38 pm
I am with George and Wolfe10, For me, I would enjoy that coach a lot, the mileage is not the big issue, it has the ISC 350 hp, 6 speed Allison with Retarder, has all the right items as I can see.
It will be running fine long after you do an upgrade to a newer and maybe fancier Foretravel. And the price seems low to me.
Anyway enjoy and good luck on what ever you do.
It will be running fine long after you do an upgrade to a newer and maybe fancier Foretravel. And the price seems low to me.
Anyway enjoy and good luck on what ever you do.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 25, 2011, 07:55:05 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 25, 2011, 07:55:05 pm
Thanks! That sounds like a good idea... how much of these fluids do you need to have an analysis done? What can they tell you based on the results of such tests? Remember, though I am of an analytical bent and mechanically inclined, I am a complete newbie when comes to motorhomes and diesels!
140k miles with good maintenance records is just fine. For peace of mind, in addition to looking over the records, do an oil, coolant and perhaps transmission fluid analysis. Get them from any diesel dealer.
BTW, 140 k miles in 12 years is really not high mileage. In fact, IMO closer to idea. It is the ones that have sat for years that are mechanically "challenged".
Brett
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Larry & Karen Pontius on August 25, 2011, 08:57:45 pm
Post by: Larry & Karen Pontius on August 25, 2011, 08:57:45 pm
I agree with the others who have responded. We purchased a 36' 1999 U 295 3 years ago and have been very happy with it. We don't have any slides but we also don't have any leaks. We've owned other brands but nothing compares to the Foretravel. If everything checks out OK I'm sure you'll have many years and miles of enjoyment. Hope to see you on the road soon.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: wolfe10 on August 25, 2011, 09:00:50 pm
Post by: wolfe10 on August 25, 2011, 09:00:50 pm
Thanks! That sounds like a good idea... how much of these fluids do you need to have an analysis done? What can they tell you based on the results of such tests?
It only takes a few ounces for the analysis. They can tell a lot about the condition of each of the fluids and the condition of the machinery in which they ran. Again, most any diesel dealer (Caterpillar, Cummins, etc) has available and can do the tests.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Peter & Beth on August 25, 2011, 09:43:28 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on August 25, 2011, 09:43:28 pm
Don,
So far you're getting all the right advice, in my opinion as well. If you plan to fulltime, then the Foretravel is the right rig for the job. The coach and chassis works are 100% custom made and/or assembled using the top of the line items and components.
You should make sure to budget sufficiently for the normal maintenance items and some upgrades you'll likely want to make to the coach. If you're handy, you can save lots by changing your own fluids, filters and the likely monthly maintenence items that pop up here & there when you fulltime. Some upgrades can also be done if you have the right tools and are handy from a cabinet-maker pointof view, e.g. TV to flat screen upgrade, surround sound, etc.
If you go to my profile, under the photos/files section, I have a spreadsheet that breaks out my cost experience.
here's the link: http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=926;dl (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=926;dl)
So far you're getting all the right advice, in my opinion as well. If you plan to fulltime, then the Foretravel is the right rig for the job. The coach and chassis works are 100% custom made and/or assembled using the top of the line items and components.
You should make sure to budget sufficiently for the normal maintenance items and some upgrades you'll likely want to make to the coach. If you're handy, you can save lots by changing your own fluids, filters and the likely monthly maintenence items that pop up here & there when you fulltime. Some upgrades can also be done if you have the right tools and are handy from a cabinet-maker pointof view, e.g. TV to flat screen upgrade, surround sound, etc.
If you go to my profile, under the photos/files section, I have a spreadsheet that breaks out my cost experience.
here's the link: http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=926;dl (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=926;dl)
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: George Stoltz on August 25, 2011, 09:55:16 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on August 25, 2011, 09:55:16 pm
The Gulfstream, while beautiful on the inside ...
If you think the Gulfstream was beautiful, wait until you get inside the Foretravel. Look at the quality details. Open cabinets. Use pocket door(s). Activate switches. Pull out drawers and notice how they can't open during travel.
I've been in a 2006 Gulfstream in a showroom and the poor craftsmanship was evident right from the start.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Dave Head on August 25, 2011, 09:56:05 pm
Post by: Dave Head on August 25, 2011, 09:56:05 pm
The 270 is the "lowest end" of the Foretravel line. That means the only difference between it and a top of the line 320 is the engine, transmission, and choice of wood. The rest Is options. What that means is the chassis is the same, the build quality is the same. The coaches are all built on the same line by the same people using the same materials. You get the same quality and care no matter which coach you decide on...
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on August 25, 2011, 10:07:45 pm
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on August 25, 2011, 10:07:45 pm
I know it is difficult for someone new to RVs but you are entering the realm of commercial grade vehicles. If they wore out at anywhere close to 140K, every trucking firm in the US would be bankrupt. It is a non-issue.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 25, 2011, 10:35:30 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 25, 2011, 10:35:30 pm
I am looking forward to it! Hopefully this local U270 will still be there tomorrow and my darlin' one won't mind using part of her birthday checking it out!
The Gulfstream, while beautiful on the inside ...
If you think the Gulfstream was beautiful, wait until you get inside the Foretravel. Look at the quality details. Open cabinets. Use pocket door(s). Activate switches. Pull out drawers and notice how they can't open during travel.
I've been in a 2006 Gulfstream in a showroom and the poor craftsmanship was evident right from the start.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 25, 2011, 10:40:21 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 25, 2011, 10:40:21 pm
Well, I am okay with oak, it is after all extremely durable and stable. As for the engine trans combo, the 350hp is more than the American eagle had and a whole lot more than the Newmar that I drove. From what I am learning about the transmission retarder, that seems like an incredible mountain saftey feature to help keep the brakes cool for those emergency situations... I think I am sold. Now to bring my signicant other on board with it. There just don't seem to be many of these beasts in the So Cal area for sale.
The 270 is the "lowest end" of the Foretravel line. That means the only difference between it and a top of the line 320 is the engine, transmission, and choice of wood. The rest Is options. What that means is the chassis is the same, the build quality is the same. The coaches are all built on the same line by the same people using the same materials. You get the same quality and care no matter which coach you decide on...
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Keith and Joyce on August 25, 2011, 10:44:43 pm
Post by: Keith and Joyce on August 25, 2011, 10:44:43 pm
While i concur with all of the above you might find that after a while a 40' unit looks a lot better as full time coach. Also look at a few coaches both for sale and owned. It will let you know what options are important to you and what's available. Some coaches have been very well looked after by their owners and some not so. Mileage is not as important as good preventive maintenance. These coaches will outlast most every other on the road. At 150k miles mine is in great shape, everything works and operates as new, It's a tribute to Foretravel build quality and previous owners. Also Foretravels have a very good support system both by the factory and other owners.
Take your time and, as there are so many various option put on these coaches there is bound to be one out there that will fit your needs. I suggest that you go to a site called oodle.com and register for email notifications of any Foretravels that appear for sale anywhere on the internet. Also read Barry's site - FORETRAVEL Motorhomes service and Repair Information (http://www.beamalarm.com/foretravel-links/foretravel-links.htm) - I learned a lot from it.
Good luck with your search.
Keith
Take your time and, as there are so many various option put on these coaches there is bound to be one out there that will fit your needs. I suggest that you go to a site called oodle.com and register for email notifications of any Foretravels that appear for sale anywhere on the internet. Also read Barry's site - FORETRAVEL Motorhomes service and Repair Information (http://www.beamalarm.com/foretravel-links/foretravel-links.htm) - I learned a lot from it.
Good luck with your search.
Keith
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Michelle on August 25, 2011, 11:10:46 pm
Post by: Michelle on August 25, 2011, 11:10:46 pm
Echoing what others have said - 140K is nothing to worry about especially if maintenance is done. Fluid analysis can reassure you that there aren't any unusual signs of wear.
Barry and Cindy fulltime in a 1997 36' U270 and their coach feels very open and comfortable to me.
And we have Foreforums. OK, I'm biased, but I think we have the best owners' forum out there. We certainly have the best forum members! ^.^d
Michelle
Barry and Cindy fulltime in a 1997 36' U270 and their coach feels very open and comfortable to me.
Also Foretravels have a very good support system both by the factory and other owners.
And we have Foreforums. OK, I'm biased, but I think we have the best owners' forum out there. We certainly have the best forum members! ^.^d
Michelle
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Patricia on August 25, 2011, 11:38:16 pm
Post by: Patricia on August 25, 2011, 11:38:16 pm
Barry and Cindy fulltime in a 1997 36' U270 and their coach feels very open and comfortable to me.
Lastly, we have also been pleased with our Honda CRV as a tow vehicle (4 down - no dolly). Happy hunting! And we wish for you what we were able to accomplish... finding our "third coach" FIRST! :)) :D
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Carol Savournin on August 25, 2011, 11:42:58 pm
Post by: Carol Savournin on August 25, 2011, 11:42:58 pm
Do not even hesitate, and do NOT be beguiled by a newer coach that has a somewhat fancier interior or shinier fridge or whatever. The Foretravel is a better coach in every respect. Our 1993 had features that are upgrades on some new coaches today! You will be hard pressed to find many new coaches that offer a retarder, except as a very expensive upgrade. Buy that coach and then treat your sweetie to Ladies Driving School in Nacogdoches at the Factory in November. She will love it! The difference between a 36' and a 40' just depends on how in love with "stuff" you are. After a few months of cramming every inch full, you begin to weed out the nonsense and live with less ... and you don't miss it!
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on August 26, 2011, 12:14:01 am
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on August 26, 2011, 12:14:01 am
Just reread your post about the 36 feet angst. We looked and looked but found the 36 feet was perfect size for the two of us along with big Koda. We take others along occasionally and have no problems. Both sizes have their fans but you will not be unhappy with 36 feet. Sometimes less can be more.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 26, 2011, 12:22:25 am
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 26, 2011, 12:22:25 am
Don,
Welcome. Now on my third FT. First was a 1989 Oshkosh rear engine Ford 460 gasser, 36 feet. Blew sit up or I would still have that coach. Traded it for a 1999 U-270. Loved the coach, Thad a washer/ dryer, uline ice maker, ISM, 6 speed Allison with retarder, electric hose and shore power reels. Redid the couch in ultra leather, out in flat screen TVs and used a portable dish. Had Xtreme in NAC repaint the stripes and buff out the interior.
ISC pulled strong, diesel genny was great. Propane furnace noisy, as compared to Auqua-hot, no slides. So I sold the 1999 at MOT, and bought a 2000 U-320 single slide, 40 footer.
Used to lust after American Eagle. Had other MH many years ago (can you remember GMC Palm Beach?). Then I drove the FT. Was sold right then. Goodbye American Eagle. Like you I am a cash buyer.
Pay no mind on the 140K mileage. If you look at the NADA guides, there is no mileage adjustment for diesel MH. Most Cummins Diesels do not get their best mileage until they reach 80,000 - 120,000 miles, ask the Cummins service center closest to you.
40 vs. 36? 320 vs. 270? Side vs. No slide? Those are really only budget questions. For me, I like the larger coach, slide, and aqua hot. But I would rather have a 1993 FT than a 2003 American Eagle. And at the price asked, you will see very little depreciation over the next five years, which will not be the case with the Eagle.
Welcome to the family, and good luck. Finding a FT.
On Thursday, August 25, 2011, acousticart <> wrote:
Welcome. Now on my third FT. First was a 1989 Oshkosh rear engine Ford 460 gasser, 36 feet. Blew sit up or I would still have that coach. Traded it for a 1999 U-270. Loved the coach, Thad a washer/ dryer, uline ice maker, ISM, 6 speed Allison with retarder, electric hose and shore power reels. Redid the couch in ultra leather, out in flat screen TVs and used a portable dish. Had Xtreme in NAC repaint the stripes and buff out the interior.
ISC pulled strong, diesel genny was great. Propane furnace noisy, as compared to Auqua-hot, no slides. So I sold the 1999 at MOT, and bought a 2000 U-320 single slide, 40 footer.
Used to lust after American Eagle. Had other MH many years ago (can you remember GMC Palm Beach?). Then I drove the FT. Was sold right then. Goodbye American Eagle. Like you I am a cash buyer.
Pay no mind on the 140K mileage. If you look at the NADA guides, there is no mileage adjustment for diesel MH. Most Cummins Diesels do not get their best mileage until they reach 80,000 - 120,000 miles, ask the Cummins service center closest to you.
40 vs. 36? 320 vs. 270? Side vs. No slide? Those are really only budget questions. For me, I like the larger coach, slide, and aqua hot. But I would rather have a 1993 FT than a 2003 American Eagle. And at the price asked, you will see very little depreciation over the next five years, which will not be the case with the Eagle.
Welcome to the family, and good luck. Finding a FT.
On Thursday, August 25, 2011, acousticart <> wrote:
Quote
Hello all!
I have just joined this group and will diligently sift through the archives to glean what information I can, but I am hoping to get some current valuation ideas and things to watch for when checking out one of these fine coaches. My partner and I are looking to buy a Diesel Pusher to go full timing in, and one that has caught our eye is a 1999 U270. My significant other is in Canada right now to settle her estate because her father passed away awhile back. So that is our stake and we need to make a good choice because the right motorhome is at the center of our plans for the near future. She had previously owned a 29' class C and I haver never owned an RV. I did drive a 35' school bus for about a year some 28 years ago or so, so I am not intimadated by the size. So far I have test driven a 1998 37' Gulfstream Sunchaser and a 1994 38' Kountry Star. The Gulfstream, while beautiful on the inside wallowed like a pig in the mud with every manuver and, according to the wall plate, had a pathetic NCC of less than 2000lbs. I figure that chassis was just loaded to close to its limits for good handling. The Newmar handled much better, but on the highway, it needed constant course corrections to stay planted in the lane. We were going to take a look at a 95' american Eagle. I really liked the layout inside of it better than anything else I have looked at online, even considering that it doesn't have a slide out, and the woodwork looked beautiful in the pics. Unfortunately, the dealer let me know that somebody came and put a deposit on it so that one is out of the picture (maybe that is a good thing, who knows?). Having learned about the various chassis types, I have been impressed with everything I have heard about Foretravel's construction methods, capacities and such. In fact the only real negative I have come across is a relatively wide turning circle. Just last night, I noticed a 1999 36' Foretravel U270 at a dealer not far away, priced in the mid $40's. It has just come on the market (I know because I have been obsessively pouring over search results for a month or more now while trying to educate myself). It is a bit shorter than I was hoping for but chances are, that we would not be able to get a 40' Foretravel for what we can afford (we intend to pay cash). It looks awfully nice and supposedly has all the service records, was always serviced at the Foretravel factory, and was owned by an airline pilot. The only negative I can see is that it has over 140k miles... I would appreciate any and all advice about this model and vintage of coach. I love the idea of the Monocoque construction, Air Disc brakes all round, the 350hp Cummins, etc, etc.
So what do the members of this group think? Should my target be lower milage coach of lesser pedigree, or is this coach just getting started at over 140k miles? Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Don
Nothing yet, but hoping for a nice Foretravel in the near future!
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 26, 2011, 12:24:15 am
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 26, 2011, 12:24:15 am
One advantage to 36 is many national parks can not take more thaa 36 foot unit. And those are usually very reasonably priced spots to save a dollar or two (ask me how I know, as I sit in west yellowstone...?)
:-)
On Thursday, August 25, 2011, Pierce & Gaylie Stewart <epiercestewart@gmail.com> wrote:
:-)
On Thursday, August 25, 2011, Pierce & Gaylie Stewart <epiercestewart@gmail.com> wrote:
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Just reread your post about the 36 feet angst. We looked and looked but found the 36 feet was perfect size for the two of us along with big Koda. We take others along occasionally and have no problems. Both sizes have their fans but you will not be unhappy with 36 feet. Sometimes less can be more.
Pierce & Gaylie
'93 U300/36
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 26, 2011, 01:06:35 am
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 26, 2011, 01:06:35 am
Y'all forgetting the ole comment;
"I'd rather have a ten year old Foretravel than a brand new anything else"
I always loved that comment, now who wrote that one ?
"I'd rather have a ten year old Foretravel than a brand new anything else"
I always loved that comment, now who wrote that one ?
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Gayland Baasch on August 26, 2011, 10:11:53 am
Post by: Gayland Baasch on August 26, 2011, 10:11:53 am
and probably the greatest thing about a U270 - you get to be a member of the Poortravel club :))
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Dave Cobb on August 26, 2011, 10:13:07 am
Post by: Dave Cobb on August 26, 2011, 10:13:07 am
Can only speak to the 36' length. We bought a 1993 U-225, 36. Now after 4 months, 20 nights of use, we are unloading things that we have not needed. We have done 4 night work trip, weekend, and just back from a 10 night 1000 mile trip to the coast. We like the size, have been into some state parks and camp spots that a larger, taller, motorhome might have had some trouble getting into.
We too looked at American Eagles, thought that was the only solution, so glad we waited for a Foretravel. Had a saleman tell me a $110,000 coach had better resale than the $60,000 other one he had. I asked how much depreciation would the two maybe loose, and that stopped him. Figured on any coach, you can only loose what you pay. Find the best, at a price you can afford to loose, and buy and enjoy.
Off the Bluebird forum I learned to think have $10,000 to spend on upgrades and things the first year, and then plan on $5,000 each year after. With that in mind, my budget was set up, and hopefully we stay on budget. I figure I am a member of the poortravel group, as we are still working.
Know the very worst that might happen is a full motor rebuild, and that is about the only thing that would break the bank.
Good luck with what you find, and welcome to this great forum.
We too looked at American Eagles, thought that was the only solution, so glad we waited for a Foretravel. Had a saleman tell me a $110,000 coach had better resale than the $60,000 other one he had. I asked how much depreciation would the two maybe loose, and that stopped him. Figured on any coach, you can only loose what you pay. Find the best, at a price you can afford to loose, and buy and enjoy.
Off the Bluebird forum I learned to think have $10,000 to spend on upgrades and things the first year, and then plan on $5,000 each year after. With that in mind, my budget was set up, and hopefully we stay on budget. I figure I am a member of the poortravel group, as we are still working.
Know the very worst that might happen is a full motor rebuild, and that is about the only thing that would break the bank.
Good luck with what you find, and welcome to this great forum.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Keith and Joyce on August 26, 2011, 03:17:01 pm
Post by: Keith and Joyce on August 26, 2011, 03:17:01 pm
Nice to see that I sparked off a which is best 36' or 40'. Two things to keep in mind. 1. My wife she can fill up a 40' in no time. 2. Have you noticed those huge great Prevosts pulling a honking great trailer loaded with car and stuff? I call it taking the garage AND basement with you.
Good luck with the search.
Keith
Good luck with the search.
Keith
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 27, 2011, 02:46:54 am
Post by: Don & Tys on August 27, 2011, 02:46:54 am
Hi all,
Thanks for all the great suggestions. We went to see the 1999 U270 today and I drove it. It does drive quite nicely, though I was expecting a bit more power from the 350HP Cummins. It didn't feel a whole lot more responsive than the Newmar Kountry Star at only 250HP, but it was able to merge on to the freeway adequately. Perhaps that is just my inexperience with these beasts. I absolutely loved the Retarder and the brakes in general. I am definitely sold on that idea! It seemed to ride well and not wallow like the Gulfstream I drove, and stayed planted in the freeway lanes much better than the Newmar. Still, I did feel some significant response to gusts of wind. Is something like a BlueOx Trucenter a help for taming wind gusts?
Some haggling and we had the price down to $40K, which seems like a good deal in spite of some defects and concerns which I note below. This is contingent upon it passing their own safety inspection and making sure all of the features work as described. Also contingent, if we so choose, upon the outcome of a 3rd party inspection. Speaking of which, how much should that cost and what can I expect them to check? Should that be done at a shop or is it par for the course to have a mobile service come to the dealers' lot to do a check. I know I ask a lot of questions, and I expect that no one person would care to take the time to answer them even if you knew all the answers. That said, I you have some solid information on one or more of my questions and concerns, I would have a great appreciation for your time in answering and I can only say that I will be more than happy to pass it on when I have enough knowledge to do more good than harm!
Other concerns I noticed...
1. Double pane windows gasket creep. Many of the windows had gaskets that are creeping... maybe as many as 7 or 8. I understand that is not a cheap fix. Is that a serious problem if I don't get it done right away? Any suggestions on where to take it and how much that might cost?
2. Front tires. They had plenty of tread but the date code must have been on the inside and I could see some weather checking on the side walls. The 2 outer rears at least looked good. I couldn't see a date code on them either, but they were supposedly near new and were not weather checked. These are Toyo M147 tires... Suggestions as to which tires for the steering axle would be best?
3. The front step has some rust around the edge... is this common or possibly a sign of bigger potential rust problems? Also the first step on the inside is quite soft under the rubber tread.... feels very spongy. Easy fix or no?
4. The original fridge works but will probably need replacing soon. Are there options for a nicer one considering the space constraints in the 36' U270? Approximate costs?
5. We will be full-timing and need a washer/dryer combo. I definitely want a vented one, but since there was never one installed, how to I locate the place to drill the hole for the vent? Are there framing plans that show the stud locations?
6. The carpet has to go and I will probably install bamboo flooring throughout and use throw rugs. Who ever thought putting carpeting in bathrooms was a good idea?
7. Lifts on the engine cover weak, and the insulation looks deteriorated on the inside cover. Any ideas of the replacement struts and what can be used to replace the insulation material?
8. Back Camera/Monitor Not woking? At least, the salesman (who had never driven a diesel before) didn't know how to turn it on and I couldn't tell at glance which switch was supposed to work it.
9. Pocket Doors stuck? I couldn't seem to close the pocket doors... what is the trick? There didn't seem to be a latch and I tried every which way to close them but no luck...
10. Co-Pilot seat Position? Max forward still left it about 4" shy of being even with the driver's seat. Is this par for the course on the front entry style coaches?
11. Oven Installation. No oven, my lady wants one and I think the cooktop needs refreshing anyway. I gather they cost about $500 at camping world. Should installing be as easy as removing the top drawer below the range and modifying the cabinet to accommodate the new Range with Oven?
12. Black tank flush is not a part of this coaches equipment and that surprised me. How much of a downside is this? Retrofits available?
13. Decals fading... only remedy to remove and paint the whole coach? or are there other less costly options?
Thanks for all the great suggestions. We went to see the 1999 U270 today and I drove it. It does drive quite nicely, though I was expecting a bit more power from the 350HP Cummins. It didn't feel a whole lot more responsive than the Newmar Kountry Star at only 250HP, but it was able to merge on to the freeway adequately. Perhaps that is just my inexperience with these beasts. I absolutely loved the Retarder and the brakes in general. I am definitely sold on that idea! It seemed to ride well and not wallow like the Gulfstream I drove, and stayed planted in the freeway lanes much better than the Newmar. Still, I did feel some significant response to gusts of wind. Is something like a BlueOx Trucenter a help for taming wind gusts?
Some haggling and we had the price down to $40K, which seems like a good deal in spite of some defects and concerns which I note below. This is contingent upon it passing their own safety inspection and making sure all of the features work as described. Also contingent, if we so choose, upon the outcome of a 3rd party inspection. Speaking of which, how much should that cost and what can I expect them to check? Should that be done at a shop or is it par for the course to have a mobile service come to the dealers' lot to do a check. I know I ask a lot of questions, and I expect that no one person would care to take the time to answer them even if you knew all the answers. That said, I you have some solid information on one or more of my questions and concerns, I would have a great appreciation for your time in answering and I can only say that I will be more than happy to pass it on when I have enough knowledge to do more good than harm!
Other concerns I noticed...
1. Double pane windows gasket creep. Many of the windows had gaskets that are creeping... maybe as many as 7 or 8. I understand that is not a cheap fix. Is that a serious problem if I don't get it done right away? Any suggestions on where to take it and how much that might cost?
2. Front tires. They had plenty of tread but the date code must have been on the inside and I could see some weather checking on the side walls. The 2 outer rears at least looked good. I couldn't see a date code on them either, but they were supposedly near new and were not weather checked. These are Toyo M147 tires... Suggestions as to which tires for the steering axle would be best?
3. The front step has some rust around the edge... is this common or possibly a sign of bigger potential rust problems? Also the first step on the inside is quite soft under the rubber tread.... feels very spongy. Easy fix or no?
4. The original fridge works but will probably need replacing soon. Are there options for a nicer one considering the space constraints in the 36' U270? Approximate costs?
5. We will be full-timing and need a washer/dryer combo. I definitely want a vented one, but since there was never one installed, how to I locate the place to drill the hole for the vent? Are there framing plans that show the stud locations?
6. The carpet has to go and I will probably install bamboo flooring throughout and use throw rugs. Who ever thought putting carpeting in bathrooms was a good idea?
7. Lifts on the engine cover weak, and the insulation looks deteriorated on the inside cover. Any ideas of the replacement struts and what can be used to replace the insulation material?
8. Back Camera/Monitor Not woking? At least, the salesman (who had never driven a diesel before) didn't know how to turn it on and I couldn't tell at glance which switch was supposed to work it.
9. Pocket Doors stuck? I couldn't seem to close the pocket doors... what is the trick? There didn't seem to be a latch and I tried every which way to close them but no luck...
10. Co-Pilot seat Position? Max forward still left it about 4" shy of being even with the driver's seat. Is this par for the course on the front entry style coaches?
11. Oven Installation. No oven, my lady wants one and I think the cooktop needs refreshing anyway. I gather they cost about $500 at camping world. Should installing be as easy as removing the top drawer below the range and modifying the cabinet to accommodate the new Range with Oven?
12. Black tank flush is not a part of this coaches equipment and that surprised me. How much of a downside is this? Retrofits available?
13. Decals fading... only remedy to remove and paint the whole coach? or are there other less costly options?
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 27, 2011, 02:54:50 am
Post by: Don & Tys on August 27, 2011, 02:54:50 am
Forgot one... How can tell if the air leveling system is working properly? Does this take the place of hydraulic leveling jacks found on most class "A" coaches or is this the supension system? Ignorance is not bliss!
Thanks!
Thanks!
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: amos.harrison on August 27, 2011, 07:08:32 am
Post by: amos.harrison on August 27, 2011, 07:08:32 am
Don,
Where is the coach located. You might get lucky and have a forum member who could volunteer to look at it with you.
Where is the coach located. You might get lucky and have a forum member who could volunteer to look at it with you.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Barry Beam on August 27, 2011, 08:57:16 am
Post by: Barry Beam on August 27, 2011, 08:57:16 am
Other concerns I noticed...
1. Double pane windows gasket creep. Many of the windows had gaskets that are creeping... maybe as many as 7 or 8. I understand that is not a cheap fix. Is that a serious problem if I don't get it done right away? Any suggestions on where to take it and how much that might cost?
Here are a few places that can repair them.
Suncoast Designers, Inc. - Home (http://www.ccwindow.com/suncoastdesigners.html)
www.daverootrvglassrepair.com/ (http://www.daverootrvglassrepair.com/)
RV Glass Solutions, Motorhome Side Window Repair (http://www.rvglassexperts.com/side_windows.html)
Quote
4. The original fridge works but will probably need replacing soon. Are there options for a nicer one considering the space constraints in the 36' U270? Approximate costs?
See Dometic Refrigerator Replacement Chart Attached
Quote
5. We will be full-timing and need a washer/dryer combo. I definitely want a vented one, but since there was never one installed, how to I locate the place to drill the hole for the vent? Are there framing plans that show the stud locations?
Early morning dew will show the outline of the coach frame
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7. Lifts on the engine cover weak, and the insulation looks deteriorated on the inside cover. Any ideas of the replacement struts and what can be used to replace the insulation material?
See Thread Engine Insulation (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=12671.msg64079#msg64079)
Quote
10. Co-Pilot seat Position? Max forward still left it about 4" shy of being even with the driver's seat. Is this par for the course on the front entry style coaches?
Quote
12. Black tank flush is not a part of this coaches equipment and that surprised me. How much of a downside is this? Retrofits available?
http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=media;sa=album;in=106 (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=media;sa=album;in=106)
See No Fuss Flush instructions attached
Quote
13. Decals fading... only remedy to remove and paint the whole coach? or are there other less costly options?
You can have new decals made or painted on for much less than painting the whole coach.
Custom RV and Motorhome Painting, Custom RV Paint Design, RV Paint Repair, (http://www.xtremegraphics.net/foretravel.html)
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Gayland Baasch on August 27, 2011, 10:02:20 am
Post by: Gayland Baasch on August 27, 2011, 10:02:20 am
I replaced the bed struts and they still wouldn't hold it up. Cut a stick to length. You don't need to get in there that often.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 27, 2011, 12:22:42 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 27, 2011, 12:22:42 pm
We are in San Diego and the coach is in El Cajon in So Cal about 15 miles away. We would love to have somebody check it out with us! Going in to put a deposit on it today. $40k sound like a good deal?
Don,
Where is the coach located. You might get lucky and have a forum member who could volunteer to look at it with you.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 27, 2011, 12:36:02 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 27, 2011, 12:36:02 pm
Don,
Had exact coach before this one, happy to discuss live. Call me at six three zero, two four zero, 9139. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Had exact coach before this one, happy to discuss live. Call me at six three zero, two four zero, 9139. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Michelle on August 27, 2011, 12:40:22 pm
Post by: Michelle on August 27, 2011, 12:40:22 pm
We are in San Diego and the coach is in El Cajon in So Cal about 15 miles away. We would love to have somebody check it out with us!
If it's not associated with California Coach Company, you might ping Brad Nerhus and see if they could do an inspection for you. They are well-versed in Foretravels.
Michelle
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 27, 2011, 02:55:06 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 27, 2011, 02:55:06 pm
Thanks for all the great answers. I appreciate you taking the time!
Don
Don
Other concerns I noticed...
1. Double pane windows gasket creep. Many of the windows had gaskets that are creeping... maybe as many as 7 or 8. I understand that is not a cheap fix. Is that a serious problem if I don't get it done right away? Any suggestions on where to take it and how much that might cost?
Here are a few places that can repair them.
Suncoast Designers, Inc. - Home (http://www.ccwindow.com/suncoastdesigners.html)
www.daverootrvglassrepair.com/ (http://www.daverootrvglassrepair.com/)
RV Glass Solutions, Motorhome Side Window Repair (http://www.rvglassexperts.com/side_windows.html)Quote4. The original fridge works but will probably need replacing soon. Are there options for a nicer one considering the space constraints in the 36' U270? Approximate costs?
See Dometic Refrigerator Replacement Chart AttachedQuote5. We will be full-timing and need a washer/dryer combo. I definitely want a vented one, but since there was never one installed, how to I locate the place to drill the hole for the vent? Are there framing plans that show the stud locations?
Early morning dew will show the outline of the coach frameQuote7. Lifts on the engine cover weak, and the insulation looks deteriorated on the inside cover. Any ideas of the replacement struts and what can be used to replace the insulation material?Foretravel has the struts.
See Thread Engine Insulation (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=12671.msg64079#msg64079)Quote10. Co-Pilot seat Position? Max forward still left it about 4" shy of being even with the driver's seat. Is this par for the course on the front entry style coaches?YesQuote12. Black tank flush is not a part of this coaches equipment and that surprised me. How much of a downside is this? Retrofits available?Photos of installation
www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=media;sa=album;in=106 (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=media;sa=album;in=106)
See No Fuss Flush instructions attachedQuote13. Decals fading... only remedy to remove and paint the whole coach? or are there other less costly options?
You can have new decals made or painted on for much less than painting the whole coach.
Custom RV and Motorhome Painting, Custom RV Paint Design, RV Paint Repair, (http://www.xtremegraphics.net/foretravel.html)
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: J. D. Stevens on August 27, 2011, 07:26:52 pm
Post by: J. D. Stevens on August 27, 2011, 07:26:52 pm
... Is something like a BlueOx Trucenter a help for taming wind gusts?
...
3. The front step has some rust around the edge... is this common or possibly a sign of bigger potential rust problems? Also the first step on the inside is quite soft under the rubber tread.... feels very spongy. Easy fix or no?
4. The original fridge works but will probably need replacing soon. Are there options for a nicer one considering the space constraints in the 36' U270? Approximate costs?
...
11. Oven Installation. No oven, my lady wants one and I think the cooktop needs refreshing anyway. I gather they cost about $500 at camping world. Should installing be as easy as removing the top drawer below the range and modifying the cabinet to accommodate the new Range with Oven?
12. Black tank flush is not a part of this coaches equipment and that surprised me. How much of a downside is this? Retrofits available?
...
Here are some responses based on our experience of about 16 months in a 1997 U295, plus 10 months experience with a 1997 unit of another brand.
Don't be in a rush to add steering controls. Get good, maybe new, steer tires and a good alignment, preferably by Wayne Musser at Foretravel of Texas in Nacogdoches. The coach is big and wind will affect it.
The rust around the step is the result of poor design. The fiberglass cover collects water while the step is down, promoting rust. We had our step rebuilt and the cover modified at Xtreme Paint and Graphics in Nacogdoches. It's a fairly straightforward repair. I can't address the issue of the soft first interior step.
The microwave over is probably also a convection oven. It may serve your purposes well.
We don't have a specific cleaning/flushing system for the black water tank. We installed a third valve that allows back flushing the tank with grey water. It seems to work well. Details of third valves are posted elsewhere on the list.
Get an relative expert to help you. Take care of maintenance and safety items initially. Get some experience before you do a lot more.
Best wishes for a successful entry into the "Foretravel experience."
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: George Stoltz on August 27, 2011, 07:37:50 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on August 27, 2011, 07:37:50 pm
Acousticart,
We have been driving a 2000 U320 -- in terms of structure, the only difference between our coach and the 36' you are looking at is the length.
If you have not driven this Foretravel, I think you are jumping to conclusions about "taming wind gusts". We love wind gusts because we get to remind each other how stable our coach is. We've driven on two lane roads at 65 MPH and been passed from the oncoming direction by a huge semi and barely felt a thing. And we've been out west where they have signs warning of severe cross winds and barely noticed anything even though trees and bushes were definitely bending over.
Don't contemplate spending money to fix a "problem" that should not exist on your prospective coach.
We have been driving a 2000 U320 -- in terms of structure, the only difference between our coach and the 36' you are looking at is the length.
If you have not driven this Foretravel, I think you are jumping to conclusions about "taming wind gusts". We love wind gusts because we get to remind each other how stable our coach is. We've driven on two lane roads at 65 MPH and been passed from the oncoming direction by a huge semi and barely felt a thing. And we've been out west where they have signs warning of severe cross winds and barely noticed anything even though trees and bushes were definitely bending over.
Don't contemplate spending money to fix a "problem" that should not exist on your prospective coach.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 27, 2011, 08:18:35 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 27, 2011, 08:18:35 pm
Tim,
I want to thank you for the help! Being able to talk about some of those specifics was very helpful. We didn't sign on the dotted line yet... the dealer wouldn't accept the contingencies I wanted regardinging independent inspection etc., and I want to call Foretravel and see if they can tell me about the srvice history, since the original owner supposedly had the coached serviced there quite regularly over the years. Hopefully they will let me know if the dealer is being truthful about the history of it. In the coach, is a book of tear out service stubs that show quite a lot of history, though much of it was not at Foretravel. I hope it it doesn't sell before I can establish that, but if it does, then it was not meant to be... but I really have been spoiled by the Foretravels design features, particularly the Braking, the Monoqocue construction, the Coach build quality... even the drawer slides. One other thing, although I was able to determine that the leveling system functions, I am not sure if it holds air pressure... is there a simple test for that?
There I go again... yet another question!
Thanks again for everybodies helpful attitude and great information. Yet another reason to become a Foretravel owner...
I want to thank you for the help! Being able to talk about some of those specifics was very helpful. We didn't sign on the dotted line yet... the dealer wouldn't accept the contingencies I wanted regardinging independent inspection etc., and I want to call Foretravel and see if they can tell me about the srvice history, since the original owner supposedly had the coached serviced there quite regularly over the years. Hopefully they will let me know if the dealer is being truthful about the history of it. In the coach, is a book of tear out service stubs that show quite a lot of history, though much of it was not at Foretravel. I hope it it doesn't sell before I can establish that, but if it does, then it was not meant to be... but I really have been spoiled by the Foretravels design features, particularly the Braking, the Monoqocue construction, the Coach build quality... even the drawer slides. One other thing, although I was able to determine that the leveling system functions, I am not sure if it holds air pressure... is there a simple test for that?
There I go again... yet another question!
Thanks again for everybodies helpful attitude and great information. Yet another reason to become a Foretravel owner...
Don,
Had exact coach before this one, happy to discuss live. Call me at six three zero, two four zero, 9139. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: J. D. Stevens on August 27, 2011, 09:11:30 pm
Post by: J. D. Stevens on August 27, 2011, 09:11:30 pm
... One other thing, althopugh I was able to determine that the leveling system functions, I am not sure if it holds air pressure... is there a simple test for that? ...
Yes, there is a simple test. We perform it every time we park our coach at home.
1) Park the coach in a spot where it can be leveled. Set the parking brake.
2) Leave the engine running.
3) Turn on the leveling system by pressing the "On" button only once.
4) Use the arrow keys to level the coach. Ours has some bubble levels installed at the driver position. If yours doesn't have levels installed, you'll need to have a circular level or a couple of carpenter's levels.
5) Turn off the engine.
6) Turn off the leveling system.
7) Wait.
If the coach is still level after 24 hours, there are no leaks. Our coach will stay level for weeks if the ignition and leveling systems remain off.
There are some circumstances where there are "odd" leaks that only show up when bags are in extended positions, but my understanding is that those are rare.
If there is a flaw in my system, or other considerations, someone will correct or add to my response.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Michelle on August 28, 2011, 12:06:23 am
Post by: Michelle on August 28, 2011, 12:06:23 am
the dealer wouldn't accept the contingencies I wanted regarding independent inspection etc.,
Hmmmm.... this raises a bit of a red flag to me. Of course I don't know the particulars of the contingency, but it's not uncommon to have an RV inspected prior to purchase. Many members here have done so. The buyers of our previous coach did.
-M
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 12:57:17 am
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 12:57:17 am
Hi,
I did drive the coach and as I mentioned earlier in the thread, it did handle thenwind gusts much better than the only other coach I have driven under the same conditions. I was just wondering if anybody had tried these Trucenter steering dampeners on their FT's and whether or not there was any benefit to them. As I was just getting used to the coach having spent less than 30 minutes total on this class of vehicle, other than a 35' bull nose school bus almost 30 years ago (sheesh, that makes me sound a lot older than I feel!), I am still just taking it all in. So much to learn... Besides, from what the ratings guides say about wheel base, the length difference could make the 40's more stable in windy conditions. But I am just a newbie, so hearing about you folks experiences in these coaches is the closest I come to first hand knowledge until the thing is parked just outside. So I thank you for sharing your experience, it is encouraging to know that the FT chassis design is capable of inspiring so much confidence in her owners...
Don
I did drive the coach and as I mentioned earlier in the thread, it did handle thenwind gusts much better than the only other coach I have driven under the same conditions. I was just wondering if anybody had tried these Trucenter steering dampeners on their FT's and whether or not there was any benefit to them. As I was just getting used to the coach having spent less than 30 minutes total on this class of vehicle, other than a 35' bull nose school bus almost 30 years ago (sheesh, that makes me sound a lot older than I feel!), I am still just taking it all in. So much to learn... Besides, from what the ratings guides say about wheel base, the length difference could make the 40's more stable in windy conditions. But I am just a newbie, so hearing about you folks experiences in these coaches is the closest I come to first hand knowledge until the thing is parked just outside. So I thank you for sharing your experience, it is encouraging to know that the FT chassis design is capable of inspiring so much confidence in her owners...
Don
Acousticart,
We have been driving a 2000 U320 -- in terms of structure, the only difference between our coach and the 36' you are looking at is the length.
If you have not driven this Foretravel, I think you are jumping to conclusions about "taming wind gusts". We love wind gusts because we get to remind each other how stable our coach is. We've driven on two lane roads at 65 MPH and been passed from the oncoming direction by a huge semi and barely felt a thing. And we've been out west where they have signs warning of severe cross winds and barely noticed anything even though trees and bushes were definitely bending over.
Don't contemplate spending money to fix a "problem" that should not exist on your prospective coach.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 12:59:47 am
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 12:59:47 am
Good advice on all accounts! I think we will need to plan a trip to the mothership for some home cooking maintenance!
Here are some responses based on our experience of about 16 months in a 1997 U295, plus 10 months experience with a 1997 unit of another brand.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2011, 01:00:45 am
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2011, 01:00:45 am
Don,
Why would the dealer not let you have the coach independently inspected, or am I mistaken in my understanding? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Why would the dealer not let you have the coach independently inspected, or am I mistaken in my understanding? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 01:11:14 am
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 01:11:14 am
Yes, we felt that we needed to think about it a little more... I don't begrudge them not wanting to hold it with a deposit until inspection because they are a tiny little dealership and had but the one diesel pusher. If it is still there when I get the inspection stuff worked out, then maybe we will give it a home... If not then we will just have to find another one. I figure it won't be that likely to sell that quickly. How many people are out there looking for a class A diesel pusher without a slide, with that much cash available.... And would they even know why it would be worth that much to have a Foretravel with a lot of miles...
Hmmmm.... this raises a bit of a red flag to me. Of course I don't know the particulars of the contingency, but it's not uncommon to have an RV inspected prior to purchase. Many members here have done so. The buyers of our previous coach did.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 01:14:13 am
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 01:14:13 am
He will let me have it inspected, he won't hold with a deposit contingent upon the outcome of that inspection...
Don
Don
Don,
Why would the dealer not let you have the coach independently inspected, or am I mistaken in my understanding? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2011, 01:18:18 am
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2011, 01:18:18 am
Understood, sort of makes sense. Good luck!
On Saturday, August 27, 2011, acousticart <> wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2011, acousticart <> wrote:
Quote
He will let me have it inspected, he won't hold with a deposit contingent upon the outcome of that inspection... DonQuote from: Tim Fiedler
Don,
Why would the dealer not let you have the coach independently inspected, or am I mistaken in my understanding? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Keith and Joyce on August 28, 2011, 01:22:24 am
Post by: Keith and Joyce on August 28, 2011, 01:22:24 am
Don't worry about wind gusts too much. When I first got my coach I ran into a severe wind front at 70 mph. The sudden noise made me think the engine had gone it was that loud! Coach never missed a beat and kept nice and straight but then mine is a 40'.
As far as the front step being soft: If it's wood take a sharp awl and prod the step firmly. If there is rot there the awl will go in easily. Check underneath to see if it's support is gone. Look for any evidence of water leaks.
As for the dealer just ask him if he wants to sell the coach or not. Be firm as it's not like people are rushing to buy big ticket items today. There are other Foretravels out there and some are bound to be gems.
Good luck.
Keith
As far as the front step being soft: If it's wood take a sharp awl and prod the step firmly. If there is rot there the awl will go in easily. Check underneath to see if it's support is gone. Look for any evidence of water leaks.
As for the dealer just ask him if he wants to sell the coach or not. Be firm as it's not like people are rushing to buy big ticket items today. There are other Foretravels out there and some are bound to be gems.
Good luck.
Keith
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: amos.harrison on August 28, 2011, 06:27:12 am
Post by: amos.harrison on August 28, 2011, 06:27:12 am
My front step was soft when I bought my coach. If water is allowed to collect on the steps the wood underlayment will rot. FT repaired mine with little problem and low cost.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on August 28, 2011, 10:32:05 am
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on August 28, 2011, 10:32:05 am
Don, My 95 U280 36' has a steer safe installed that was put on by the original owner. I don't know that it makes any difference in driving. I have driven a few other FT's without a steer safe and I can't see any benefit to it. IMHO, proper tire mounting and balancing ( by whatever method you choose ) and proper alignment are More beneficial than add on gadgets.
YMMV
Gary B
Mine has 155K miles on it
BTW I also have installed Centramatic Balancers, and again, I can't say that there is a difference that is great enough to show that they are the cause. Again, proper balance and mounting is the key.
YMMV
Gary B
Mine has 155K miles on it
BTW I also have installed Centramatic Balancers, and again, I can't say that there is a difference that is great enough to show that they are the cause. Again, proper balance and mounting is the key.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on August 28, 2011, 01:41:11 pm
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on August 28, 2011, 01:41:11 pm
Don,
The RV sales market is very slow, has been for a long time and will be for a long time. A lot of RVs are selling at half the asking price after many months on the market and big RVs without slide outs take an even bigger hit. Your salesperson is trying all of his craft to close the deal as fast as he can by making you feel as insecure as he can. If he can make you worry about another buyer sliding in, you may decide to forgo inspections and just hand over the cash. I have found dealing with most dealerships requires a quick count of fingers after every handshake. Private parties are almost always more truthful and you get to see the condition of the vehicle before it has been detailed and any flaws hidden. Private party sellers are generally much more straight forward and much easier to catch in a lie or half truth as most of us try to be honest in our everyday lives. Do I sound bitter? Not at all. I just spent too long in an industry where good, honest dealerships and shops are the exception rather than the rule.
The RV sales market is very slow, has been for a long time and will be for a long time. A lot of RVs are selling at half the asking price after many months on the market and big RVs without slide outs take an even bigger hit. Your salesperson is trying all of his craft to close the deal as fast as he can by making you feel as insecure as he can. If he can make you worry about another buyer sliding in, you may decide to forgo inspections and just hand over the cash. I have found dealing with most dealerships requires a quick count of fingers after every handshake. Private parties are almost always more truthful and you get to see the condition of the vehicle before it has been detailed and any flaws hidden. Private party sellers are generally much more straight forward and much easier to catch in a lie or half truth as most of us try to be honest in our everyday lives. Do I sound bitter? Not at all. I just spent too long in an industry where good, honest dealerships and shops are the exception rather than the rule.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2011, 01:51:22 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2011, 01:51:22 pm
I would try to get an inspection as quickly as possible at your expense. If the big items check out, then you can make your decision.
Goodluck.
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He will let me have it inspected, he won't hold with a deposit contingent upon the outcome of that inspection... Don
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: George Stoltz on August 28, 2011, 02:01:53 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on August 28, 2011, 02:01:53 pm
It appears that the dealer doesn't want to take the coach off the market while you do your inspection. I agree with Tim. Find a competent person to do the inspection and then make your decision.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 06:27:35 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 06:27:35 pm
Sounds like good advice! Any specific steering axle tire recomendations?
Thanks, Don
Thanks, Don
Don, My 95 U280 36' has a steer safe installed that was put on by the original owner. I don't know that it makes any difference in driving. I have driven a few other FT's without a steer safe and I can't see any benefit to it. IMHO, proper tire mounting and balancing ( by whatever method you choose ) and proper alignment are More beneficial than add on gadgets.
YMMV
Gary B
Mine has 155K miles on it
BTW I also have installed Centramatic Balancers, and again, I can't say that there is a difference that is great enough to show that they are the cause. Again, proper balance and mounting is the key.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 10:09:48 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 10:09:48 pm
Thanks! That helps, but I was hoping to find a way to test the ability to hold pressure before I have possession...
Don
Don
Yes, there is a simple test. We perform it every time we park our coach at home.
1) Park the coach in a spot where it can be leveled. Set the parking brake.
2) Leave the engine running.
3) Turn on the leveling system by pressing the "On" button only once.
4) Use the arrow keys to level the coach. Ours has some bubble levels installed at the driver position. If yours doesn't have levels installed, you'll need to have a circular level or a couple of carpenter's levels.
5) Turn off the engine.
6) Turn off the leveling system.
7) Wait.
If the coach is still level after 24 hours, there are no leaks.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 10:18:11 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 10:18:11 pm
Thanks for the info... I sent Brad a private message. Hopefully he will have a chance to reply before we have to make a decision. Interesting you should mention CCC, as the proprietor told us that they had gotten it from CCC and that he was told by them that it was a good coach, otherwise it would have been auctioned. I am guessing that most of these older coaches (ones that are too old to be fincanced in the usual way) that are trades get wholesaled to these small dealers as a matter of course, and just the fact that they are wholesaled doesn't mean much as to the viability of a given coach. But what do I know??? :-(
Don
Don
If it's not associated with California Coach Company, you might ping Brad Nerhus and see if they could do an inspection for you. They are well-versed in Foretravels.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 10:38:31 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 10:38:31 pm
Hi Tom,
I am having some difficulty in trying to arrange an inspection. I did get a call back from one mobile mechanic, and from what he said, he just basically runs through visual inspection checklist. Checks the oil, fluid levels, etc. He said he is going to forward me the checklist so I can evaluate it, but so far no follow through. Anyway, if that is all he does, I may as well just go through the checklist myself. There is a Cummins place in El Cajon near the RV dealer, maybe I can get the fluids analyzed there. Not sure how I would go about getting a couple of ounces of engine or generator oil out to take in for analysis though... When I asked whether or not they would do an engine and trans oil change before I take delivery, he said that it didn't need it because it had been done in April or thereabouts. The only service records I have seen are the stubs from the book that I assume comes with every new Foretravel. No invoices etc.
I am going to call Foretravel tomorrow and see if they can give me an indication of the service history from the Vin#... anybody have any contact names or extensions of the right people at Foretravel to talk to?
This is a nerve racking process! We have fallen in love with this coach, and because there are so few in our area (let alone in our price range), we have concerns that there is another discerning cash buyer who will be less reluctant to take a chance before we can do our due diligence.
Don
I am having some difficulty in trying to arrange an inspection. I did get a call back from one mobile mechanic, and from what he said, he just basically runs through visual inspection checklist. Checks the oil, fluid levels, etc. He said he is going to forward me the checklist so I can evaluate it, but so far no follow through. Anyway, if that is all he does, I may as well just go through the checklist myself. There is a Cummins place in El Cajon near the RV dealer, maybe I can get the fluids analyzed there. Not sure how I would go about getting a couple of ounces of engine or generator oil out to take in for analysis though... When I asked whether or not they would do an engine and trans oil change before I take delivery, he said that it didn't need it because it had been done in April or thereabouts. The only service records I have seen are the stubs from the book that I assume comes with every new Foretravel. No invoices etc.
I am going to call Foretravel tomorrow and see if they can give me an indication of the service history from the Vin#... anybody have any contact names or extensions of the right people at Foretravel to talk to?
This is a nerve racking process! We have fallen in love with this coach, and because there are so few in our area (let alone in our price range), we have concerns that there is another discerning cash buyer who will be less reluctant to take a chance before we can do our due diligence.
Don
I would try to get an inspection as quickly as possible at your expense. If the big items check out, then you can make your decision.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: J. D. Stevens on August 28, 2011, 10:48:39 pm
Post by: J. D. Stevens on August 28, 2011, 10:48:39 pm
...
4. The original fridge works but will probably need replacing soon. Are there options for a nicer one considering the space constraints in the 36' U270? Approximate costs?
...
I quoted the question in a previous reply, but neglected to reply.
To the best of my knowledge, our refrigerator is original equipment. We keep it operating all the time, even while the coach is parked and not in use. I think the previous owner did as well. You may want to defer concerns over the refrigerator until it quits cooling properly. There are many excellent posts about the replacement of refrigerators.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Michelle on August 28, 2011, 10:53:07 pm
Post by: Michelle on August 28, 2011, 10:53:07 pm
I am going to call Foretravel tomorrow and see if they can give me an indication of the service history from the Vin#... anybody have any contact names or extensions of the right people at Foretravel to talk to?
One of the service advisors can probably help - Jeremy, x115 or Billy Jack. x250. Mondays are busy with folks checking in, but you have a bit of a breather since you're 2 hours behind. Service opens at 7:30 AM central time.
Even quicker for them to search if you happen to have the coach build number, but not a big deal if you don't. It's a 4 digit number that for a '99 probably begins with a 5. Look for F995xxx36etc. for that coach. The 5xxx is the build number.
Reading the Vehicle Identification Number (http://www.beamalarm.com/Documents/vehicle_identification_number.htm)
Michelle
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2011, 11:17:04 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2011, 11:17:04 pm
Don,
Give me a call in AM, let's discuss. Will California Coach do a pre buy? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Give me a call in AM, let's discuss. Will California Coach do a pre buy? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 11:37:20 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 11:37:20 pm
Will do! I am going to call CC in the morning and ask them... If they sold the coach to this dealer, would that constitute a conflict of interest for them? Or at least an awkward situation!
One other thing comes to mind... I noticed some oil under the engine when I went back on Saturday morning. It was parked where I left it. Not a large puddle, but it does raise a flag. I watched for about a minute through the compartment that is just forward of the rear wheels on the driver's side and saw one drip after about a minute of idling. Cause for concern? How common are oil leaks on this engine. It appeared to be dripping off the bottom of the oil pan. What scares me is a rear main seal seeping... My experience with old cars comes back to haunt me!
Talk to you tomorrow...
Don
One other thing comes to mind... I noticed some oil under the engine when I went back on Saturday morning. It was parked where I left it. Not a large puddle, but it does raise a flag. I watched for about a minute through the compartment that is just forward of the rear wheels on the driver's side and saw one drip after about a minute of idling. Cause for concern? How common are oil leaks on this engine. It appeared to be dripping off the bottom of the oil pan. What scares me is a rear main seal seeping... My experience with old cars comes back to haunt me!
Talk to you tomorrow...
Don
Don,
Give me a call in AM, let's discuss. Will California Coach do a pre buy? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 11:41:34 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 28, 2011, 11:41:34 pm
Great info! I have a pic of the Vin plate, and from what you say about the build number, I can tell it is "5402".
Don
Don
Even quicker for them to search if you happen to have the coach build number, but not a big deal if you don't. It's a 4 digit number that for a '99 probably begins with a 5. Look for F995xxx36etc. for that coach. The 5xxx is the build number.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2011, 11:42:27 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2011, 11:42:27 pm
None of mine leaked a drop, but any cummins shop can read the computers of the allison and cummings and look at the leak. Easily scheduled and short money.
No conflict of interest if it went at auction. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
No conflict of interest if it went at auction. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Scott Beard on August 28, 2011, 11:56:40 pm
Post by: Scott Beard on August 28, 2011, 11:56:40 pm
I am confident if you talk to Brad Nerhus he can recommend someone to do an ispection. His brother Tom is very good and very thorough. Brad is at California Coach, if you need Tom's number you can shoot me an email.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Scott Beard on August 29, 2011, 09:54:18 am
Post by: Scott Beard on August 29, 2011, 09:54:18 am
Don't let the dealer push. We bought our Coach at California Coach. We first looked at it in December and did not actually buy until May. There are just not that many people running around with extra cash to buy these coaches and there are not many in California. One thing we did do is fly down to Nac and check out the inventory at MOT and Foretravel. Everyone was very nice and we got a good look at the different models. 36' vs. 40', slide vs. no slide and what to expect on condition and mileage depending on age. It was well worth the trip for us. We had never owned a coach of any kind and we did research for about a year before we pulled the trigger. Foretravel has been a great unit for us and we have put about 10,000 miles on it this past year. Bottum line don't get in a hurry if this one sells there is always another deal out there. Be patient and make the dealer allow you do all the inspections you want.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on August 29, 2011, 11:02:37 am
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on August 29, 2011, 11:02:37 am
Just noticed the rig you are interested in on ebay at: Foretravel u270 Diesel Pusher Motorhome Class A | eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280731152762)
Looks nice. After my rant about dealers, the other side of the coin is that it is not a new motorhome and there will be things wrong and things that will go wrong. After looking at several Foretravels, I just talked to the owner on the other side of the US, got some hi res images and bought ours over the phone. Flew back and drove it home. Was great on the trip and ever since. The 270 you are looking at is only 10% of what it cost new. I work on ours myself so when thing go wrong, no big deal. Naturally, you want to get a coach with the least possible things to go wrong but there are many things an inspection may not catch and even if they do, don't expect the dealer to fix them. The more dependent you are on a shop doing the maintenance, the more cautious you have to be. A fine line between "buy in haste, repent in leisure" and playing the fish for too long and he gets off the hook. Scott says it well in the post above. Not that many people with cash to spend. Difficult to make a call when you don't have the experience. May be good to fly another Foretravel owner in to catch problems or potential problems that only an experienced owner would see.
Good luck.
Looks nice. After my rant about dealers, the other side of the coin is that it is not a new motorhome and there will be things wrong and things that will go wrong. After looking at several Foretravels, I just talked to the owner on the other side of the US, got some hi res images and bought ours over the phone. Flew back and drove it home. Was great on the trip and ever since. The 270 you are looking at is only 10% of what it cost new. I work on ours myself so when thing go wrong, no big deal. Naturally, you want to get a coach with the least possible things to go wrong but there are many things an inspection may not catch and even if they do, don't expect the dealer to fix them. The more dependent you are on a shop doing the maintenance, the more cautious you have to be. A fine line between "buy in haste, repent in leisure" and playing the fish for too long and he gets off the hook. Scott says it well in the post above. Not that many people with cash to spend. Difficult to make a call when you don't have the experience. May be good to fly another Foretravel owner in to catch problems or potential problems that only an experienced owner would see.
Good luck.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 29, 2011, 01:45:54 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 29, 2011, 01:45:54 pm
Thanks to Tim, Scott, Barry, and everyone else who was so helpful. I was able to talk to the one and only original owners of this coach, and now I feel confident that the necessary service has been done all along the way, and that this is as good and solid a coach as we can get for this kind of money. Since I am pretty handy with mechanical, home renovation, and even electrical and elctronic systems, I think I will be able to meet the inevitable challenges we face as we move forward with our plans to become wandering nomads... fortunately, I have several months worth of preparation to get my house ready to sell, so I will have time to go through all of the systems and fix the little things and make sure the big things are in good working order. You folks have been so incredibly helpful so far, I and I look forward to being able to return the favor one day. Of course, this is probably just the beginning of our questions! I am looking forward to meeting other Foretravel enthusiasts and exchanging information and tips whenever possible. Of course, I will be making good ues of Barry's incredible website. It is truly a resource beyond anything I have seen of a similar nature.
Once again, thanks to all who contributed. It certainly has helped to feel that we are making a good choice! ;D
Once again, thanks to all who contributed. It certainly has helped to feel that we are making a good choice! ;D
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 29, 2011, 09:01:25 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 29, 2011, 09:01:25 pm
To bring closerure to this thread, I am happy to say that it is a done deal! We have signed on the dotted line, left a deposit and sealed the deal. It will take a week or so to take possesion as we have to wait for a wire transfer for the rest of the money. I have taken the manuals home and will be feeding my obsession to learn every little thing I can about this beauty (I wanted to nickname it "The Beast", but that was vetoed...) Thanks again to all who gave me the sage advice, and thanks in advance for all the future answers to our inevitable questions!
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: jeff on August 29, 2011, 09:30:47 pm
Post by: jeff on August 29, 2011, 09:30:47 pm
WOW...Congratulations and welcome to the Foretravel family. By asking all the questions and the great replies you received I am sure this topic will be read with great interest by anyone looking to purchase a Foretravel in the future...
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Gayland Baasch on August 29, 2011, 09:45:00 pm
Post by: Gayland Baasch on August 29, 2011, 09:45:00 pm
I can give you your first project - fix that tv setup. Several posts that cover different ways to do that.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Dave Head on August 29, 2011, 10:11:33 pm
Post by: Dave Head on August 29, 2011, 10:11:33 pm
How about 'Bert', as in Bert and Ernie?
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 29, 2011, 10:50:23 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 29, 2011, 10:50:23 pm
Thanks! It is nice to think that this thread will help somebody else in a similar position. By talking to the original owner (who traded up to an 05' U295), I got a good feeling about the past history of it. The fact that he also had no financial interest in the coach didn't hurt either! I would encourage anyone who is buying from a broker or dealer to see if they can have conversation with previous owners... It may take going through the documentation in the coach to try and sleuth out the owners from paperwork inadvertently left behind, but unless it was a repo or other hard luck situation, I suspect most former owners would be happy to talk about the history of the coach. It sure made us feel much more security in our decision making process. Of course an independent inspection would also be of value, but unless you know a trusted source for that, it isn't so easy to arrange.
Don
Don
WOW...Congratulations and welcome to the Foretravel family. By asking all the questions and the great replies you received I am sure this topic will be read with great interest by anyone looking to purchase a Foretravel in the future...
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 29, 2011, 10:52:27 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 29, 2011, 10:52:27 pm
Amen! Right after ripping out the bathroom carpet....
Don
Don
I can give you your first project - fix that tv setup. Several posts that cover different ways to do that.
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 29, 2011, 10:56:09 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 29, 2011, 10:56:09 pm
Not bad... but Thinking maybe "Frodo"...we will have see. She will tell us:)
Don
Don
How about 'Bert', as in Bert and Ernie?
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Gravy1159 on August 30, 2011, 06:35:58 am
Post by: Gravy1159 on August 30, 2011, 06:35:58 am
Don congratulations on the new coach. We too are newbie's at this. We are headed out full timing at the end of October this year in our new to us 1989 U280 36' that we just got in the last 4 weeks. I have been going through everything trying to get it all figured out. What an amazing coach they are. I have not been disappointed by anything from the systems to the fit and finish of her. Every day I find something else very unique that just amazes me. For a 1989 this coach out does lots of the newer brands still today.
Good luck on the naming of your coach as we are still trying to figure ours out too. We have been leaning toward "The Mystery Machine" because it is a mystery to where we are headed next. Anywhere and everywhere. Lot's to see in this awesome United States we live in.
Again congratulations! Hope to meet you two down the road! ^.^d
Dave & Cris
Good luck on the naming of your coach as we are still trying to figure ours out too. We have been leaning toward "The Mystery Machine" because it is a mystery to where we are headed next. Anywhere and everywhere. Lot's to see in this awesome United States we live in.
Again congratulations! Hope to meet you two down the road! ^.^d
Dave & Cris
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Raymond Jordan on August 30, 2011, 08:53:41 am
Post by: Raymond Jordan on August 30, 2011, 08:53:41 am
Hi Don,
Welcome. You have made a great choice. These first few months may try your patience. Hang in there, it will be fine. We will be here to help. This group will make your Foretravel experience better. Enjoy, and be safe.
Raymond & Babette
Welcome. You have made a great choice. These first few months may try your patience. Hang in there, it will be fine. We will be here to help. This group will make your Foretravel experience better. Enjoy, and be safe.
Raymond & Babette
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 30, 2011, 10:45:07 am
Post by: Don & Tys on August 30, 2011, 10:45:07 am
Thanks! It will be several months before we are fulltiming, but that gives us time to make the tweaks which will make our own. Fortunately, Tys has experience fulltiming in a 29' class C a few years back. This 36' class A should be a cinch by comparison!
Don
Don
Don congratulations on the new coach. We too are newbie's at this. We are headed out full timing at the end of October this year in our new to us 1989 U280 36' that we just got in the last 4 weeks. I have been going through everything trying to get it all figured out. What an amazing coach they are. I have not been disappointed by anything from the systems to the fit and finish of her. Every day I find something else very unique that just amazes me. For a 1989 this coach out does lots of the newer brands still today.
Good luck on the naming of your coach as we are still trying to figure ours out too. We have been leaning toward "The Mystery Machine" because it is a mystery to where we are headed next. Anywhere and everywhere. Lot's to see in this awesome United States we live in.
Again congratulations! Hope to meet you two down the road! ^.^d
Dave & Cris
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 30, 2011, 10:53:43 am
Post by: Don & Tys on August 30, 2011, 10:53:43 am
We are very happy with our choice! I am sure patience will be tested, but results will be well worth it. And this group has already proven to be a fantastic resource, one of the many reasons we were sold on Foretravels!
Don
Don
Hi Don,
Welcome. You have made a great choice. These first few months may try your patience. Hang in there, it will be fine. We will be here to help. This group will make your Foretravel experience better. Enjoy, and be safe.
Raymond & Babette
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Dan Stansel on August 30, 2011, 01:01:41 pm
Post by: Dan Stansel on August 30, 2011, 01:01:41 pm
Don: Someone may have mentioned this to you but as a new Foretravel owner you can get membership into the Foretravel Motorcade Club. Call Beverly Knooce at 936-564-8367 or you can email her on their web site. I think they will supply your nrs for you.
Good Luck DAN
Good Luck DAN
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 30, 2011, 01:11:25 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 30, 2011, 01:11:25 pm
Worth it, free and 10% off on parts at MOT and FOT. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Don & Tys on August 30, 2011, 09:19:14 pm
Post by: Don & Tys on August 30, 2011, 09:19:14 pm
Hi Dan,
We are definitely going to sign up... Sounds like a no brainer! Now, just chaffing at the bit until we can bring it home. We visited it at the dealership today and took measurements for replacing some or all of the carpet with.... Something else. Fun times ahead!
Don
We are definitely going to sign up... Sounds like a no brainer! Now, just chaffing at the bit until we can bring it home. We visited it at the dealership today and took measurements for replacing some or all of the carpet with.... Something else. Fun times ahead!
Don
Don: Someone may have mentioned this to you but as a new Foretravel owner you can get membership into the Foretravel Motorcade Club. Call Beverly Knooce at 936-564-8367 or you can email her on their web site. I think they will supply your nrs for you.
Good Luck DAN
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: kinger65 on September 09, 2011, 12:43:30 am
Post by: kinger65 on September 09, 2011, 12:43:30 am
I bought at 2000 U320 with 106K miles last November and have had no problems with running gear. When I was looking for the Foretravel I wanted (40' with a slide), I remember several people telling me that the average motorhome is driven about 10K per year, so the mileage on that coach is not out of line. Welcome to the Foretravel owners group, and I also second the suggestion that you might get an inital analysis done of the fluids. I'm a life-long "shade tree" mechanic that has worked on a lot of different equipment including radial engine and jet aircraft engines, race car engines and lots of normal gas car and truck engines and a few diesels. I'll take the well maintained diesel with under 200K any day. When I bought my Foretravel, I hadn't drive anything bigger than a 27' rental diesel itruck 30 years, but my old experience driving semis, several thousand miles on a mid-70s Executive and a month driving an English double-decker bus through the streets of Santa Fe, NM certainly provided a valuable background. Now I'd rather drive my motorhome that any of my other vehicles. Enjoy -
Title: Re: 99' U270 with 140K... too many miles?
Post by: Carol Savournin on September 09, 2011, 10:51:48 am
Post by: Carol Savournin on September 09, 2011, 10:51:48 am
If you have not done so already, you simply MUST visit the Foretravel Factory in Nacogdoches. David Flanagan and his wonderful crew do the BEST interior work on these coaches, and they are worth every cent you spend. PLUS ... there may very well be some of us there enjoying the ambiance while we are having service or just passing through. There is a wonderful laundry room (no charge and a blessing for those of us who full time with no onboard washer) and the promise of a 4:30 "Pourtravel Happy hour" ...weather permitting, sitting around in front of our coaches. We have had groups of 12 or so, at times! Great fun ... All Foretravel, All the Time.
When we refurbished our first coach, we bought carpet and tile locally (in PA) and took it to David for installation. They installed beautifully, but more importantly, they corrected some "inventive" work some other guy had done to the sub floors in the coach during previous remodel. Their experience and advice helped us begin a new area of education on our coach!
When we refurbished our first coach, we bought carpet and tile locally (in PA) and took it to David for installation. They installed beautifully, but more importantly, they corrected some "inventive" work some other guy had done to the sub floors in the coach during previous remodel. Their experience and advice helped us begin a new area of education on our coach!