Title: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on October 10, 2011, 01:59:41 pm
Post by: David and Rita on October 10, 2011, 01:59:41 pm
Hello everybody,
My wife and I (Rita and David) are new to the forum and hopefully we'll be Foretravel owner's soon. I wanted to take this opportunity to make an introduction, and see how my thinking lines up with the experiences of the Foretravel community.
Quick history; We live in Arizona and have owned a 28' travel trailer that we have towed with a 2008 Tahoe. Here in Phoenix we tend to get hot in the summer and we love to spend the weekends in the cool, higher elevations that are a short drive away. That has meant towing a heavy trailer up and up and up. As we have been towing up mountain roads we are often passed by people driving diesel pushers, so we have for some time thought that is the way to go. We sold our trailer yesterday, yeah!
In searching for the perfect (used) Motorhome we decided the things that are important to us are; Big motor, quality build, size (we don't want to go ever 40') and as high end as we can afford. We like creature comforts. The other consideration is our budget. I won't get too specific on that as we are trying to swing a deal at this time. Without getting into all the SOB's we've looked at you can see by list of things that are important to us why we believe Foretravel is the coach for us.
Now on to what I'm looking at today. I can find about 10 coaches for sale right now that I think would work for us, but I have narrowed things down to 3 that I think would be the best match. First is a 2004 U320 40' with a tandem rear axel and a 450 ISM Cummins, there are two of these models that I know of that are available now. Next is a 2005 U295 38' with a single rear axel and a 400 ISL Cummins. I should add that we will be towing a car, right now we have a 1999 Chevy Blazer and I hope to upgrade to a nice Jeep Wrangler as soon as Rita lets me, but thats another story. We will be weekend warriors with occasional jaunts to neighboring states, and will be doing a mix of dry camping and full hook ups. Our plan is to get something that we can enjoy for a good 15 years until we are both ready to retire. And one other thing, I have not ever set foot in a Foretravel, we plan to travel to Texas this weekend and give them a good going over.
So the questions I have are; Is there big difference in the way these two coaches will drive? I have not been able to find the specification for such things as tank sizes, is there a link to theses spec's? This is important to me because of the dry camping we will be doing.
I have also seen that there are some later model 40' Nimbus's with the 500 motor, 4 slides and all the modern gee gaws that have recently sold that are about 20 to 30% higher priced. This would be a stretch for our budget, but if one these would be much better, I would consider it depending on availability. Mostly I feel that this would be over kill for the weekend warrior's that we are. So any thoughts on this subject are welcome.
So I just wanted to say hello, and solicit any advice or suggestions on the subject at hand.
My wife and I (Rita and David) are new to the forum and hopefully we'll be Foretravel owner's soon. I wanted to take this opportunity to make an introduction, and see how my thinking lines up with the experiences of the Foretravel community.
Quick history; We live in Arizona and have owned a 28' travel trailer that we have towed with a 2008 Tahoe. Here in Phoenix we tend to get hot in the summer and we love to spend the weekends in the cool, higher elevations that are a short drive away. That has meant towing a heavy trailer up and up and up. As we have been towing up mountain roads we are often passed by people driving diesel pushers, so we have for some time thought that is the way to go. We sold our trailer yesterday, yeah!
In searching for the perfect (used) Motorhome we decided the things that are important to us are; Big motor, quality build, size (we don't want to go ever 40') and as high end as we can afford. We like creature comforts. The other consideration is our budget. I won't get too specific on that as we are trying to swing a deal at this time. Without getting into all the SOB's we've looked at you can see by list of things that are important to us why we believe Foretravel is the coach for us.
Now on to what I'm looking at today. I can find about 10 coaches for sale right now that I think would work for us, but I have narrowed things down to 3 that I think would be the best match. First is a 2004 U320 40' with a tandem rear axel and a 450 ISM Cummins, there are two of these models that I know of that are available now. Next is a 2005 U295 38' with a single rear axel and a 400 ISL Cummins. I should add that we will be towing a car, right now we have a 1999 Chevy Blazer and I hope to upgrade to a nice Jeep Wrangler as soon as Rita lets me, but thats another story. We will be weekend warriors with occasional jaunts to neighboring states, and will be doing a mix of dry camping and full hook ups. Our plan is to get something that we can enjoy for a good 15 years until we are both ready to retire. And one other thing, I have not ever set foot in a Foretravel, we plan to travel to Texas this weekend and give them a good going over.
So the questions I have are; Is there big difference in the way these two coaches will drive? I have not been able to find the specification for such things as tank sizes, is there a link to theses spec's? This is important to me because of the dry camping we will be doing.
I have also seen that there are some later model 40' Nimbus's with the 500 motor, 4 slides and all the modern gee gaws that have recently sold that are about 20 to 30% higher priced. This would be a stretch for our budget, but if one these would be much better, I would consider it depending on availability. Mostly I feel that this would be over kill for the weekend warrior's that we are. So any thoughts on this subject are welcome.
So I just wanted to say hello, and solicit any advice or suggestions on the subject at hand.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on October 10, 2011, 02:38:07 pm
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on October 10, 2011, 02:38:07 pm
Rita and David,
Take your time shopping around. You did not say how many of you there are. When we started looking, we checked out all the RVs with slides first and did not consider a non-slider. As we did more research and a lot of walk-throughs, we found the 102" U300 to be a perfect match for the three of us (huge dog). We are almost 100% dry campers. A lot of slide outs can make access to parts of the coach difficult while under way. Also is a maintenance factor as they can fail at the worst times. On the other hand, having kids onboard makes the extra space really nice and lowers the stress factor. Would not neglect the 36 footers as they can get into a lot of National Parks and campsites that don't do 40 footers, especially important here in the west.
This is a buyer's market and will continue to be that way for a long time (my opinion). DeMartini RV is located here in town and has a lot of fly-in customers. They specialize in late repossessions and out of business manufactures. As you see, they have acres of repo units at their facility. Good to check their website at : DeMartini RV Sales, Recreational vehicles (RVs), Holiday Rambler, Holiday (http://www.demartini.com/) Gives you an idea of prices. Lately, their lot is even fuller than the photos and business is slow. Used Foretravels should be in this price range but are a step above most of these quality wise. Plus, they don't have a great support forum like we do!
If you intend to keep it for 15 years, I would want to store it indoors in the Phoenix climate.
Take your time shopping around. You did not say how many of you there are. When we started looking, we checked out all the RVs with slides first and did not consider a non-slider. As we did more research and a lot of walk-throughs, we found the 102" U300 to be a perfect match for the three of us (huge dog). We are almost 100% dry campers. A lot of slide outs can make access to parts of the coach difficult while under way. Also is a maintenance factor as they can fail at the worst times. On the other hand, having kids onboard makes the extra space really nice and lowers the stress factor. Would not neglect the 36 footers as they can get into a lot of National Parks and campsites that don't do 40 footers, especially important here in the west.
This is a buyer's market and will continue to be that way for a long time (my opinion). DeMartini RV is located here in town and has a lot of fly-in customers. They specialize in late repossessions and out of business manufactures. As you see, they have acres of repo units at their facility. Good to check their website at : DeMartini RV Sales, Recreational vehicles (RVs), Holiday Rambler, Holiday (http://www.demartini.com/) Gives you an idea of prices. Lately, their lot is even fuller than the photos and business is slow. Used Foretravels should be in this price range but are a step above most of these quality wise. Plus, they don't have a great support forum like we do!
If you intend to keep it for 15 years, I would want to store it indoors in the Phoenix climate.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Michelle on October 10, 2011, 03:18:38 pm
Post by: Michelle on October 10, 2011, 03:18:38 pm
My wife and I (Rita and David) are new to the forum and hopefully we'll be Foretravel owner's soon
Without getting into all the SOB's we've looked at you can see by list of things that are important to us why we believe Foretravel is the coach for us.
Welcome to ForeForums and congrats on being so wise in your choice of motorhome!
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So the questions I have are; Is there big difference in the way these two coaches will drive? I have not been able to find the specification for such things as tank sizes, is there a link to theses spec's? This is important to me because of the dry camping we will be doing.
Barry Brideau's fantastic website should have the answers on specs, etc. : Foretravel Specifications, Floor Plans, Photos & Brochures (https://wiki.foreforums.com/doku.php?id=through_the_years:specs)
Do take the time to look at all coaches, not just the few you are currently interested in. You may find in person that something completely different fits your style (we thought we wanted a private bath, absolutely loved the space of our walk-through one (which is private anyway if you close the pocket doors).
A couple of things to consider on tag vs. non tag axle. Non tag means 2 fewer tires you have to pay for. It also can mean less CCC (the tag will give you several thousand extra pounds of capacity). If the coach has a rear slide, I would strongly recommend a tag (one of our members checked out a 40' 2 slide all tile coach without a tag and found the remaining CCC was less that would work for his camping needs. Tag axle may make the engine batteries less accessible and you may have less basement storage, but both those depend on the specific coach.
If your weekend trip is to Nacogdoches (aka a pilgrimage to Mecca), keep in mind FOT and MOT are not open on weekends (unless perhaps by special appointment), so if you want to see inside coaches there, you might want to have at least one weekday in your trip plans. Also, around 10 AM a couple of days a week, FT gives factory tours through the sales department.
And be sure to visit with any forum members who might be at Camp FT while you're there - you can get the "inside scoop" from real owners and put faces with names.
Michelle
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: George Stoltz on October 10, 2011, 03:32:32 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on October 10, 2011, 03:32:32 pm
Dave,
Check your Private Messages. I know of a beautiful 2002 now on the market. If you don't know how to retrieve your Private Messages, send me a note here.
Check your Private Messages. I know of a beautiful 2002 now on the market. If you don't know how to retrieve your Private Messages, send me a note here.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: D.H. Spoor on October 10, 2011, 05:16:30 pm
Post by: D.H. Spoor on October 10, 2011, 05:16:30 pm
And be advised there is a third Dealer on the Loop in Nacodoches, Encore Motorhomes, owned by Robert and Jeannie McGrath. Smaller dealer than FOT or MOT, but be sure and look!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Kent Speers on October 10, 2011, 05:46:23 pm
Post by: Kent Speers on October 10, 2011, 05:46:23 pm
I have also seen that there are some later model 40' Nimbus's with the 500 motor, 4 slides and all the modern gee gaws that have recently sold that are about 20 to 30% higher priced.
If the 500hp is a factor in your consideration, keep in mind that most of the newer coaches also are much heavier, particularly those with multiple slides. Many of our members divide the GVW or Curb Weight by the horsepower (lbs/horsepower) to get a perspective on how the coach will perform.
As you can see from the age of my coach, many of us prefer the simplicity and economy of the older coaches even for full time use.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave Head on October 10, 2011, 07:03:51 pm
Post by: Dave Head on October 10, 2011, 07:03:51 pm
Towing/carrying capacity is significantly improved with a tag. Under storage is reduced, which can be a concern for full timers. I think someone already passed up that 38 because of low CCC. with a slide or two, things get skinny fast.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on October 10, 2011, 08:16:11 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on October 10, 2011, 08:16:11 pm
Dave,
Everyone has the better idea, for me, I purchased a 36' 2001 U320, It has the Cummins ISM 450hp @ 1450 ft lb. So I removed the large restrictive muffler and installed a Walker Resonator 5" straight thru, then took to Cummins, had had the ISM raised to the 500 hp @ 1550 ft lb with their blessing, took new bypass turbo and new ECM programming plus had to add device to intake manifold so the ECM could control the turbo pressure. End result, feels like 100 hp for sure, but now drive it like a car or pickup, never need WOT or WFO, it just gets with the program the way I hoped it would.
Tow rating 10 K. 4500 lb pickup is not there until you look in mirror.
If you like power, this combo & weight make all other coaches feel like tied to a stump.
Last coach, I had a 12V-71TT in it for awhile. ;D
Small note: The ISM is the smallest engine Cummins calls Heavy Duty, the B, C, ISB, ISC, ISL are called medium duty.
Everyone has the better idea, for me, I purchased a 36' 2001 U320, It has the Cummins ISM 450hp @ 1450 ft lb. So I removed the large restrictive muffler and installed a Walker Resonator 5" straight thru, then took to Cummins, had had the ISM raised to the 500 hp @ 1550 ft lb with their blessing, took new bypass turbo and new ECM programming plus had to add device to intake manifold so the ECM could control the turbo pressure. End result, feels like 100 hp for sure, but now drive it like a car or pickup, never need WOT or WFO, it just gets with the program the way I hoped it would.
Tow rating 10 K. 4500 lb pickup is not there until you look in mirror.
If you like power, this combo & weight make all other coaches feel like tied to a stump.
Last coach, I had a 12V-71TT in it for awhile. ;D
Small note: The ISM is the smallest engine Cummins calls Heavy Duty, the B, C, ISB, ISC, ISL are called medium duty.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave Head on October 10, 2011, 08:35:34 pm
Post by: Dave Head on October 10, 2011, 08:35:34 pm
I think he meant to say raised, but RAIDED does sound better...
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on October 10, 2011, 08:49:30 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on October 10, 2011, 08:49:30 pm
Tnx, I needed that, English / spelling was not my best subject. :)
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on October 11, 2011, 12:31:48 am
Post by: David and Rita on October 11, 2011, 12:31:48 am
Thanks for all the responses, I now have even more to think about. And that's a good thing.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on October 11, 2011, 12:39:45 am
Post by: David and Rita on October 11, 2011, 12:39:45 am
I do have one question for Kent Speers about the horse power to weight ratio. What is a good number? A simple number would be if you had a 40,000lb coach and 400 horse power, you would have 1 hp per 100lb. Am I getting that right? I know the torque comes into play also, but just to keep it simple lets stick to hp/lb's.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: John S on October 11, 2011, 04:18:15 am
Post by: John S on October 11, 2011, 04:18:15 am
I have had three FT one a 34 foot with 350 ISC and then a 36foot none slide 450 and now a 42 foot double slide with a450 Ism too. They all were or are fine and will pull your tow great. I have putwell over 300k miles on the three coaches travling in everything from sand blown across the road to water to snow to mountains. I will say one thing I live on the 42 foot is three ac units. Makes cooling down in tne hot summer a breeze. Get the tag,more ccc and better directional stability in high winds of the midwest.
And welcome to the forum. It is a wonderful place where you will meet great people and then see them face to face on the road or in service or at rallies.
And welcome to the forum. It is a wonderful place where you will meet great people and then see them face to face on the road or in service or at rallies.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Kent Speers on October 11, 2011, 09:08:25 am
Post by: Kent Speers on October 11, 2011, 09:08:25 am
Dave, I am no expert on power requirements. There was a recent discussion of power to weight ratio on the forum so I think you will get responses from members more knowledgeable than me.
However, based on my limited experience, my coach has a 350hp engine and a GVW of 30,000 lbs. Based on your description of your desire for hill climbing power I don't think you would want anything less than what I have. I have driven a 40 foot, 1997 U320 with the Cummins M11 450hp and it felt more than adequate.
Let's see what other members say.
However, based on my limited experience, my coach has a 350hp engine and a GVW of 30,000 lbs. Based on your description of your desire for hill climbing power I don't think you would want anything less than what I have. I have driven a 40 foot, 1997 U320 with the Cummins M11 450hp and it felt more than adequate.
Let's see what other members say.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: amos.harrison on October 11, 2011, 09:21:09 am
Post by: amos.harrison on October 11, 2011, 09:21:09 am
Welcome! Please search the archives for the importance of complete service records, periods of time in storage and storage prep, age of batteries and tires, etc. Frequently we find that the condition of a coach trumps the lack of a specific feature.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: J. D. Stevens on October 11, 2011, 09:58:10 pm
Post by: J. D. Stevens on October 11, 2011, 09:58:10 pm
I do have one question for Kent Speers about the horse power to weight ratio. What is a good number? A simple number would be if you had a 40,000lb coach and 400 horse power, you would have 1 hp per 100lb. Am I getting that right? I know the torque comes into play also, but just to keep it simple lets stick to hp/lb's.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave Cobb on October 12, 2011, 11:29:28 am
Post by: Dave Cobb on October 12, 2011, 11:29:28 am
We have weighted, and know our old U-225 has 93#/hp, and runs down the road just fine after 18 years, and three owners. Towing a small bike trailer and one bike that number goes up to 97#/hp, not a problem. We have towed the Avalanche 800 miles for work, and know it is too heavy, and are looking for another solution. With that load we jump up to 119#/hp. Not so good, but doable in flat TX. Not something we would attempt do in the mountains where we will just disconnect and each drive one vehicle. Kent towed his Subaru many a mile with the coach before us, we do need a downsized toad, or just enjoy the bike on a trailer.
Interesting to see how much the weight of the coaches has climbed, and how the horse power as well, not sure which came first, power or weight?
Interesting to see how much the weight of the coaches has climbed, and how the horse power as well, not sure which came first, power or weight?
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: J. D. Stevens on October 12, 2011, 11:51:09 am
Post by: J. D. Stevens on October 12, 2011, 11:51:09 am
... Towing a small bike trailer and one bike ... or just enjoy the bike on a trailer.
I have towed my motorcycles in a trailer behind the FT when going to a motorcycle training session, but it leaves no option for taking our 65# black mouth cur with us on local jaunts. The Jeep has served us well as a towed vehicle.
Your experience with different wt/hp ratios provides a great values for comparison.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on October 12, 2011, 03:17:13 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on October 12, 2011, 03:17:13 pm
Dave, Assuming you are interested in performance, A picture of my setup
2001 U320, ISM was a 450hp@1450 ftlb, now 500hp@1550 ftlb. Point is the weight to power is 70 lb per hp and 22.54 lb per ftlb. The coach is right at 30K pickup with ATV under 5k.
This gets it done correctly.
Everything else is less in get up and go including the 45' Phenix and IH45 with the 650 hp @ 1950 ftlb due to the weight. Check it out.
Cheers and good luck at the drag racing, been there also with a A/G in mid sixties.
2001 U320, ISM was a 450hp@1450 ftlb, now 500hp@1550 ftlb. Point is the weight to power is 70 lb per hp and 22.54 lb per ftlb. The coach is right at 30K pickup with ATV under 5k.
This gets it done correctly.
Everything else is less in get up and go including the 45' Phenix and IH45 with the 650 hp @ 1950 ftlb due to the weight. Check it out.
Cheers and good luck at the drag racing, been there also with a A/G in mid sixties.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave Cobb on October 12, 2011, 06:47:43 pm
Post by: Dave Cobb on October 12, 2011, 06:47:43 pm
Well, the wife and I really fit well on the bike, Clair, not so well, might need a behind the bike dog trailer next. And it may pain us more than her when we leave her in the coach. She naps and we can often find a nice warm space where she was napping when we return. She favors the queen bed, and it's high vantage point, or we find her sitting in the driver's seat ready to head out.
As to having more power, wow, who would not want more. Know I would. But in talking to several much more experienced owners, most suggest the power just gets you to the campsite 30 minutes sooner each day. Have the info about a Banks system, would boost us from 230 to 300hp. Then I have to wonder what the next weakest link in the coach might be. Seems very expensive to up the hp. and start fixing the things we can over power.
As to having more power, wow, who would not want more. Know I would. But in talking to several much more experienced owners, most suggest the power just gets you to the campsite 30 minutes sooner each day. Have the info about a Banks system, would boost us from 230 to 300hp. Then I have to wonder what the next weakest link in the coach might be. Seems very expensive to up the hp. and start fixing the things we can over power.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: J. D. Stevens on October 12, 2011, 07:13:49 pm
Post by: J. D. Stevens on October 12, 2011, 07:13:49 pm
... And it may pain us more than her when we leave her in the coach. She naps and we can often find a nice warm space where she was napping when we return. ...
... Have the info about a Banks system, would boost us from 230 to 300hp. Then I have to wonder what the next weakest link in the coach might be. ...
The Banks Stinger was on our coach when we bought it. I generally stick with stock configurations. That's a safe and conservative approach.
Dave M implemented a big HP boost on his coach, but only with the help of Cummins. My understanding is that he also verified that all other components were robust enough to handle the power.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave Cobb on October 12, 2011, 07:28:57 pm
Post by: Dave Cobb on October 12, 2011, 07:28:57 pm
Stock engine will work for us, and it has pushed the coach over 106,000 miles so far for others. Do wish I had a photo of us passing a Prevost last week on I-20 in east TX, us towing the bike. He must have been trying for better mileage, and just running slow. Dolly looked up and was surprise we were actually passing something!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on October 12, 2011, 07:49:34 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on October 12, 2011, 07:49:34 pm
Not trying to bore everyone on dumb stuff that makes me smile. I am currently headed to Nac/Xtreme/MOT, currently at Wally World Cleveland Tn.
Info update, On Afton Mtn, I-64 Va, standard ISM450 not towing, would run up at 62 mph max.
On this trip towing the F150 Ford p/u, set cruise at 70, started up the step part, dropped to 68 and 5th gear, after about a mile the grade gets slightly less, went back to 70 and 6th gear. That Mtn is like my chassis dyno. Tells me a lot, of course the resonator helped about 3" boost alone, stock 26" this climb was mostly at 31" but backed down to 28 after got back in 6th at 70, Torque up to 1540 ft lb. per VMSpc.
Yup, I do like it. Oh, also getting 8.2 mpg so far at 75 mph after 470.6 miles.
Info update, On Afton Mtn, I-64 Va, standard ISM450 not towing, would run up at 62 mph max.
On this trip towing the F150 Ford p/u, set cruise at 70, started up the step part, dropped to 68 and 5th gear, after about a mile the grade gets slightly less, went back to 70 and 6th gear. That Mtn is like my chassis dyno. Tells me a lot, of course the resonator helped about 3" boost alone, stock 26" this climb was mostly at 31" but backed down to 28 after got back in 6th at 70, Torque up to 1540 ft lb. per VMSpc.
Yup, I do like it. Oh, also getting 8.2 mpg so far at 75 mph after 470.6 miles.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on October 12, 2011, 11:38:35 pm
Post by: David and Rita on October 12, 2011, 11:38:35 pm
Dave M, that set up you have sounds good. If I end up with a 450 ISM, I'll have to look into upping the power. The truth of the matter is, Rita is the power hog. She grew up on a flat piece of desert land in Apache Junction AZ, where her family lived in a mobile home while her dad built a batch plant and ran a small trucking company from the home stead. But that trucker blood runs deep, and she say's she needs the power. I probably wont get to drive much....that's fine for me though. (even when I drive I have to do it her way anyway)
So, we got good news from the bank today. The Foretravel dream is getting closer.
So, we got good news from the bank today. The Foretravel dream is getting closer.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Greg and Viv on October 15, 2011, 01:03:35 pm
Post by: Greg and Viv on October 15, 2011, 01:03:35 pm
We just purchased a 2001 U320 from Texas and drove it back home to British Columbia, Canada in 6 days... The coach drove like a car. We went through every imaginable terrain, mountains, prairie, wasteland, heat, cold. We had a Newmar before but this rig handles like a dream. Look at coach with Independent Front Suspension, you won't regret it. Good luck in your hunt.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: oldmattb on October 15, 2011, 01:15:47 pm
Post by: oldmattb on October 15, 2011, 01:15:47 pm
Hey and welcome!
@Jimmy Clapton fan, or is that you?
oldMattB
@Jimmy Clapton fan, or is that you?
oldMattB
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on October 23, 2011, 12:33:30 am
Post by: David and Rita on October 23, 2011, 12:33:30 am
We'll be arriving in Nacogdoches tomorrow, we are interested on a particular coach. If things line up it may be the one. I'm not sure I should say which one until I get a look at it in person. We plan to stop by camp Foretravel and say hello to whoever is there tomorrow afternoon. Looking forward to joining the Foretravel club soon.
David
David
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jon H on October 23, 2011, 03:49:04 am
Post by: Jon H on October 23, 2011, 03:49:04 am
Strongly suggest you get the coach weighed as part of the evaluation process. Only way that you'll know CCC for sure
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on October 25, 2011, 10:24:49 am
Post by: David and Rita on October 25, 2011, 10:24:49 am
We got back from Nacogdoches last night. It was a quick, but successful trip. Before this trip I had not laid eye's on a Foretravel. The good news, I was not disappointed.
Rita and I have been wanting a diesel pusher for a long time, and started getting serious about a year ago. We have looked at many other brands and were frequently let down by the build quality we saw. About two months ago Rita showed me a Foretravel she had seen online. She had been reading all she could find and said she really liked what she was reading. I thought the prices were out of reach. Yea a down economy!!! (not really, that was mean, sorry) I came to believe and I think I'm right, a 10 year old Foretravel is a better deal @150K (in general) than a 3 year old HR/Tiffen/Fleetwood/American Coach, and so on.
So we pulled into the Foretravel lot at about 5pm Sunday. The coach we had a deposit on was not out on the lot, but the ones that were out were gorgeous. We were greeted warmly by the fine people of Camp Foretravel. I even got a full tour of a 2003 U320 by Bob who was there for a window replacement, thanks Bob and Bonnie, that was great. And to everyone else we met that night, thanks for the hospitality, and I hope to see you all again soon.
We pulled the trigger on a 40' 2004 U320. It was everything I was hoping it was and more. I don't have time to get into the details right now but this coach was outfitted much better than they were touting. We worked into the deal to get the headlight and taillight upgrades along with a satellite installation. We have a lot of work ahead to get things to where we want them but the choice is made and the rest is going to be an adventure.
Here's the new baby.
Rita and I have been wanting a diesel pusher for a long time, and started getting serious about a year ago. We have looked at many other brands and were frequently let down by the build quality we saw. About two months ago Rita showed me a Foretravel she had seen online. She had been reading all she could find and said she really liked what she was reading. I thought the prices were out of reach. Yea a down economy!!! (not really, that was mean, sorry) I came to believe and I think I'm right, a 10 year old Foretravel is a better deal @150K (in general) than a 3 year old HR/Tiffen/Fleetwood/American Coach, and so on.
So we pulled into the Foretravel lot at about 5pm Sunday. The coach we had a deposit on was not out on the lot, but the ones that were out were gorgeous. We were greeted warmly by the fine people of Camp Foretravel. I even got a full tour of a 2003 U320 by Bob who was there for a window replacement, thanks Bob and Bonnie, that was great. And to everyone else we met that night, thanks for the hospitality, and I hope to see you all again soon.
We pulled the trigger on a 40' 2004 U320. It was everything I was hoping it was and more. I don't have time to get into the details right now but this coach was outfitted much better than they were touting. We worked into the deal to get the headlight and taillight upgrades along with a satellite installation. We have a lot of work ahead to get things to where we want them but the choice is made and the rest is going to be an adventure.
Here's the new baby.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: PatC on October 25, 2011, 10:37:44 am
Post by: PatC on October 25, 2011, 10:37:44 am
I came to believe and I think I'm right, a 10 year old Foretravel is a better deal @150K (in general) than a 3 year old HR/Tiffen/Fleetwood/American Coach, and so on.
I think your right too! I came out of a '94 Tiffin Allegro and moved into a '94 Foretravel. There was no comparison between the two. The Foretravel, with over twice the mileage, had not wear and tear at all. It was, and till is solid, no rattles, shakes, or vibrations! And when we went to the last RV show in Buffalo, we compared the fit and finish of the new SOBs to our Foretravel, well lets just say that our well loved Foretravel won out big time! That made the DW very pleased with out Foretravel choice ;D!
Congrads on the new Foretravel!!! May you have many safe miles enjoying it.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: J. D. Stevens on October 25, 2011, 10:49:28 am
Post by: J. D. Stevens on October 25, 2011, 10:49:28 am
Nice! Welcome! Enjoy!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Kent Speers on October 25, 2011, 10:56:45 am
Post by: Kent Speers on October 25, 2011, 10:56:45 am
Good looking Rig. Now the fun begins!!!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: MAZ on October 25, 2011, 11:10:42 am
Post by: MAZ on October 25, 2011, 11:10:42 am
Congratulations and welcome to the Foretravel family. That is a beautiful coach. I had been admiring it at the Fot website. You are really going to enjoy that one.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave Head on October 25, 2011, 11:40:58 am
Post by: Dave Head on October 25, 2011, 11:40:58 am
Very nice! I had been peeking at that one lately... With the headlight upgrade it will look great!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on October 25, 2011, 01:00:09 pm
Post by: David and Rita on October 25, 2011, 01:00:09 pm
Thanks all, for the kind words and encouragement.
Dave, we chose to have the Xenon's in the vertical alinement. I think it should look very nice.
Dave, we chose to have the Xenon's in the vertical alinement. I think it should look very nice.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave Katsuki on October 25, 2011, 11:33:00 pm
Post by: Dave Katsuki on October 25, 2011, 11:33:00 pm
It was great to meet you both here at Camp Foretravel. You've got a great coach, and you have joined a wonderful family here on the Foreforum!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Benjie Zeller on October 26, 2011, 12:30:01 am
Post by: Benjie Zeller on October 26, 2011, 12:30:01 am
I'm jealous, but we're taking baby steps!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on October 26, 2011, 10:16:32 am
Post by: David and Rita on October 26, 2011, 10:16:32 am
It was great to meet you both here at Camp Foretravel. You've got a great coach, and you have joined a wonderful family here on the Foreforum!
Dave, it was great to meet you and Nancy also. We had a great time meeting everyone at Camp Foretravel. The only bad news is, we won't be able to get back to pick it up until the weekend before Thanksgiving and I want it now.....I'm like a little kid on this deal.
Looking forward to getting on the road and being part of the Foretravel family.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on October 26, 2011, 12:25:16 pm
Post by: David and Rita on October 26, 2011, 12:25:16 pm
Thanks all, for the kind words and encouragement.
Dave, we chose to have the Xenon's in the vertical alinement. I think it should look very nice.
I spoke to soon. Paul just let us know that the headlights will be in the horizontal alinement. Something about the newer coaches being taller and not enough room on my 2004. Just wanted to clear things up.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Michelle on October 26, 2011, 02:54:36 pm
Post by: Michelle on October 26, 2011, 02:54:36 pm
Paul just let us know that the headlights will be in the horizontal alinement. Something about the newer coaches being taller and not enough room on my 2004.
How's it feel to say "my 2004"? ;)
Steve and I are fans of the horizontal headlight arrangement. I'm guessing the tail lights will be vertical (similar to the Nimbus)? There are some photos on the "Paint and Body" section of the FOT site that show a tan coach with horizontal front and vertical tail light conversions - really like how fresh that coach looks. Yours should look fantastic when it's done (and of course you're required to post photos).
Head and tail lights are probably our next improvement, too (either that or something with the dinette). Saving up our pennies for it.
Michelle
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Carol Savournin on October 26, 2011, 05:35:30 pm
Post by: Carol Savournin on October 26, 2011, 05:35:30 pm
So sorry we just missed you guys! We left Camp Foretravel on Sunday to head to McKinney. Saw that coach on the lot (we ALWAYS look ...) and it is a nice one. You will be glad you chose a Foretravel. See you down the road!!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on October 26, 2011, 05:56:21 pm
Post by: David and Rita on October 26, 2011, 05:56:21 pm
Paul just let us know that the headlights will be in the horizontal alinement. Something about the newer coaches being taller and not enough room on my 2004.
How's it feel to say "my 2004"? ;)
It feels great!!!!!
Title: Re: Allied Extented Warranty Insurance
Post by: David and Rita on November 14, 2011, 05:12:03 pm
Post by: David and Rita on November 14, 2011, 05:12:03 pm
So the day is drawing near. We will fly to Houston Saturday morning arriving at 9am and hoping to be in Nac before noon for the big event. We've been in touch with FOT and they say everything will be ready for us on Saturday. I sure hope so because unfortunately we have a bit of a tight schedule. Rita had volunteered to host Thanksgiving, before the decision was made on the U320 purchase, and some guest are coming form other states to be here. I could not get her to change the plans so we need to be home by Wednesday, the earlier the better. So unless there is a problem we plan to leave sometime on Sunday. I have a Rand McNally Tripmaker RVND 7710, it's programed and ready to guide us back to Mesa Az.
It would seem we have a lot to learn and a short time to do it in. I do have a question about the value of the extended warranty offered by FOT. We are small business owners and without getting into numbers I will just say that we could handle the expense of most foreseeable problems and of course we have full coverage insurance through Allied Insurance. The reason I'm asking this is because the cost of the warranty coverage at 5 to 6K seems rather high. So I know it's all relative, but I am just wondering what others have experienced with this coverage?? Is it worth the expense??
We are very excited and are looking forward to beginning our Foretravel adventure. Any comments or suggestions are welcome. :D
It would seem we have a lot to learn and a short time to do it in. I do have a question about the value of the extended warranty offered by FOT. We are small business owners and without getting into numbers I will just say that we could handle the expense of most foreseeable problems and of course we have full coverage insurance through Allied Insurance. The reason I'm asking this is because the cost of the warranty coverage at 5 to 6K seems rather high. So I know it's all relative, but I am just wondering what others have experienced with this coverage?? Is it worth the expense??
We are very excited and are looking forward to beginning our Foretravel adventure. Any comments or suggestions are welcome. :D
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: amos.harrison on November 14, 2011, 05:42:54 pm
Post by: amos.harrison on November 14, 2011, 05:42:54 pm
You can search the forum for many discussions about extended warranties. The general consensus is that they are excellent money makers for FT and the offering company.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 14, 2011, 07:37:11 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 14, 2011, 07:37:11 pm
You can search the forum for many discussions about extended warranties. The general consensus is that they are excellent money makers for FT and the offering company.
ps Bad idea to leave on Sunday. You WILL have stuff they will need to take care of before you leave. I can guarantee it!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 14, 2011, 08:40:31 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 14, 2011, 08:40:31 pm
Agree plus you will have atleast 25 major questions that you need answered and maybe instructed on, That is how I felt after two days at MOT when I got this coach, and for the next year I kept finding neat little things I had not known before OR had forgotten. Little things like the light switch in bedroom for the mirror ;D Or the thermostat in the basement.
A learning experience I say, for me.
A learning experience I say, for me.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Rudy on November 14, 2011, 09:00:00 pm
Post by: Rudy on November 14, 2011, 09:00:00 pm
You will be dollars ahead by paying to reschedule your coach delivery till you have time to go through the process. Too much to learn that quick, too much to check out and tweak for a day to two while operating the coach in Nac before you leave for home.
You will be very many dollars ahead by putting the extended warranty into an account you own and use it for repairs. Most Extended Warranties have one half the cost as a commission for the selling dealer. I have had several warranty folks pitch their product to a dealer I worked for in the past.
All the best and enjoy your coach as much as we do ours.
You will be very many dollars ahead by putting the extended warranty into an account you own and use it for repairs. Most Extended Warranties have one half the cost as a commission for the selling dealer. I have had several warranty folks pitch their product to a dealer I worked for in the past.
All the best and enjoy your coach as much as we do ours.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: George Stoltz on November 14, 2011, 09:07:14 pm
Post by: George Stoltz on November 14, 2011, 09:07:14 pm
Peter, Dave and Rudy are telling you things that you should not take lightly. I am a former Foretravel owner and contributor to this invaluable Forum. When we picked up our new-to-us 2000 U320 in spring of 2009 we allowed 3 days at Motorhomes of Texas. We should have spent at least seven days there. I don't know how far the factory will go to take care of any repair issues you find after you drive off the lot, but if you are there checking things out for a week, you stand a better chance to get them done for less money if you take short trips around Nac and come back to the mothership each night. You WILL find things that need attention. Rushing to get your rig home in time for Thanksgiving is the best way to get indigestion that could last a long time. Been there, done that.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Michelle on November 14, 2011, 09:16:39 pm
Post by: Michelle on November 14, 2011, 09:16:39 pm
I also vote in favor of doing delivery when you can spend a couple of days "test camping" close to FOT. You'll want to run through all the systems to make sure you're comfortable with them and for sure you're going to have questions that are best answered on a weekday when folks like James T., Wayne M., and the shop staff is there. And who wants to have their first "trip" with the added stress of needing to be somewhere (back home) by a certain day and time and then having to get the house ready for company, holiday dinner, etc.?
We spent 3 days in Nac when we bought our coach. If we hadn't still been working at the time, a week would have been even better.
Just a thought...
Michelle
We spent 3 days in Nac when we bought our coach. If we hadn't still been working at the time, a week would have been even better.
Just a thought...
Michelle
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 14, 2011, 09:17:38 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 14, 2011, 09:17:38 pm
Amen.....
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 14, 2011, 09:21:48 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 14, 2011, 09:21:48 pm
Amen X 2. I always end up rushing my nac visits and regret it.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Mark... on November 14, 2011, 09:50:15 pm
Post by: Mark... on November 14, 2011, 09:50:15 pm
We just recently took delivery of our coach at FOT on a Thursday. Went over what I thought was everything in a day. On Friday after spending the night in the coach we had more questions. I'll just leave it at info overload but there were a few things we thought we understood that we obviously did not absorb...
Decided to spent the weekend at camp FOT. Practiced driving on the local roads and living in the coach using everything. Guess what? We had a few more questions Monday morning. If this is your first coach then there is alot to learn and the time spent at FOT is worthwhile.
Decided to spent the weekend at camp FOT. Practiced driving on the local roads and living in the coach using everything. Guess what? We had a few more questions Monday morning. If this is your first coach then there is alot to learn and the time spent at FOT is worthwhile.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 14, 2011, 10:05:39 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 14, 2011, 10:05:39 pm
If you have one, capturing the instructions and demonstrations of the coach features in video is a good approach. This way, you don't have to absorb and retain all that's given to you in a matter of hours. Later on you can review the video and be amazed that that "stuff" was indeed covered during delivery.
I can assure you you will forget 80% of what was discussed during the walk around.
I can assure you you will forget 80% of what was discussed during the walk around.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 14, 2011, 10:17:23 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 14, 2011, 10:17:23 pm
Video is a great idea, may be great excuse to buy new iphone or ipad!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave Head on November 14, 2011, 10:31:48 pm
Post by: Dave Head on November 14, 2011, 10:31:48 pm
Never be in a hurry to pick up a new coach.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: wa_desert_rat on November 14, 2011, 10:40:29 pm
Post by: wa_desert_rat on November 14, 2011, 10:40:29 pm
Never be in a hurry to pick up a new coach.
Wise words, there. My wife's folks have had an assortment of motorhomes (always Winnebago) over the past 30 years and they have spent a lot of time trying to get issues fixed while camping in the parking lot of the RV dealer they bought the coach from. Almost never comfortably. Much better to take time (if you can) to sort it out before you leave the dealership. Foretravel in Nac seems pretty good about fixing any issues; certainly better than average. And you'll have company. You might consider waiting until you have time after Thanksgiving.
Craig
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on November 15, 2011, 07:57:05 am
Post by: David and Rita on November 15, 2011, 07:57:05 am
Thanks all words of wisdom, unfortunately if we don't go and pick up the coach now it will be well after the first of the year before we'll have a chance to get out there. I know it's less than ideal, but if we have to we could stay as late as Tuesday and then do a bee line home. I'd rather not do that but I will if I need to.
About the video camera, it's already packed specifically for the propose of videoing the walk through, and I'm typing this on my new Mac Book so I have that part covered. So now encouraging words would be helpful at this point ^.^d.
Thanks again
About the video camera, it's already packed specifically for the propose of videoing the walk through, and I'm typing this on my new Mac Book so I have that part covered. So now encouraging words would be helpful at this point ^.^d.
Thanks again
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Barry Beam on November 15, 2011, 08:46:32 am
Post by: Barry Beam on November 15, 2011, 08:46:32 am
Thanks all words of wisdom, unfortunately if we don't go and pick up the coach now it will be well after the first of the year before we'll have a chance to get out there. I know it's less than ideal, but if we have to we could stay as late as Tuesday and then do a bee line home. I'd rather not do that but I will if I need to.
About the video camera, it's already packed specifically for the propose of videoing the walk through, and I'm typing this on my new Mac Book so I have that part covered. So now encouraging words would be helpful at this point ^.^d.
Thanks again
You might take a look at this Pre Delivery check list to make sure you dont miss anything.
50 things to check before you buy your used foretravel (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=10866.0)
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 15, 2011, 09:08:58 am
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 15, 2011, 09:08:58 am
Barry, was going to suggest that, great point. Plus you might reach out to member Don Hay who lives in NAC and see if he might check out the coach to a certain degree before you arrive. Just met Don in person, he is a great guy and very FT knowledgeable.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Gayland Baasch on November 15, 2011, 11:11:03 am
Post by: Gayland Baasch on November 15, 2011, 11:11:03 am
What all these people are forgetting is this great resource for finding stuff out, (this forum) at your own pace. I picked mine up from the previous owners son after flying in late the night before. Spent 1/2 hour with me telling me what HE knew and then hit the road. You don't need to know everything just to drive it down the road to get home. I just learned yesterday that I maybe have a telescoping steering wheel, but I've gotten along not knowing just fine and doubt that I would ever use it anyway. I don't know what all this talk is of stuff needing to be fixed before you leave either ;D
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Barry Beam on November 15, 2011, 11:21:54 am
Post by: Barry Beam on November 15, 2011, 11:21:54 am
What all these people are forgetting is this great resource for finding stuff out, (this forum) at your own pace. I picked mine up from the previous owners son after flying in late the night before. Spent 1/2 hour with me telling me what HE knew and then hit the road. You don't need to know everything just to drive it down the road to get home. I just learned yesterday that I maybe have a telescoping steering wheel, but I've gotten along not knowing just fine and doubt that I would ever use it anyway. I don't know what all this talk is of stuff needing to be fixed before you leave either ;D
The forum is a great resource but should not be an excuse for not doing your own due diligence.
Making sure the important things are working and you understand them before you get on the road is prudent. It is a lot easier to get them fixed while you are there then after you leave.
Not knowing you have a telescoping steering wheel is a little different than not knowing your aquahot does not work or your batteries or tires need replacing.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on November 15, 2011, 01:39:34 pm
Post by: David and Rita on November 15, 2011, 01:39:34 pm
The forum is a great resource but should not be an excuse for not doing your own due diligence.
Making sure the important things are working and you understand them before you get on the road is prudent. It is a lot easier to get them fixed while you are there then after you leave.
Not knowing you have a telescoping steering wheel is a little different than not knowing your aquahot does not work or your batteries or tires need replacing.
Trust me lots of due diligence is being done. When we went to Nacogdoches in late October we went with the intent to purchase this coach. We spent over 3 hours going through the coach opening all draws and flipping all the switches. We made a small list that we have been keeping tabs on. The tires are less than 2 years old, I don't remember the exact date code but they are under 2 years. About the house batteries, we were told that if they were more than two years old they would be replaced. We were told last week that because of their age they have been replaced. So at least that is covered. About the Aquahot....I intend to have the Foretravel rep go over that with me thoroughly and capture it on video as well. So we know we don't have the best of circumstances but we plan to do the best we can with what we have.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Chad and Judy on November 15, 2011, 02:51:37 pm
Post by: Chad and Judy on November 15, 2011, 02:51:37 pm
Quote
About the house batteries, we were told that if they were more than two years old they would be replaced. We were told last week that because of their age they have been replaced.
My MK 8D's are approaching 8-years and continue to perform quite well. I'm motivated to contact FT and inquire about purchasing your "old" batteries ....
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Gayland Baasch on November 15, 2011, 04:57:33 pm
Post by: Gayland Baasch on November 15, 2011, 04:57:33 pm
Jeeze guys, lighten up. The OP asked for words of encouragement. You're making it sound like he's going to be heading over the mountains in a covered wagon. Are you saying they don't check out the main systems at Nac before they sell it? He's doing what he has to do, and I'm sure he can survive even if his aqua heat thingy doesn't work. My point about the telescoping steering wheel wasn't that it was important, it was that learning is on going.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Benjie Zeller on November 15, 2011, 05:17:13 pm
Post by: Benjie Zeller on November 15, 2011, 05:17:13 pm
I for one would not be able to wait another day to get it, but then again I fall into the Gen X "instant gratification" age group. ;D
Seriously, as long as you have time to spend a day or so learning as much as you can, I think the only risk you run is finding something not working that could have been remedied by the dealer. Would spending more time be ideal, yes, will it ruin the experience, probably not.
Seriously, as long as you have time to spend a day or so learning as much as you can, I think the only risk you run is finding something not working that could have been remedied by the dealer. Would spending more time be ideal, yes, will it ruin the experience, probably not.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 15, 2011, 05:25:19 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 15, 2011, 05:25:19 pm
Would spending more time be ideal, yes, will it ruin the experience, probably not.
Besides, I think that most of us have experienced the new to us Foretravel learning curve and we just want to shorten that curve for the new owners.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on November 15, 2011, 05:35:14 pm
Post by: David and Rita on November 15, 2011, 05:35:14 pm
Thanks everybody. I don't feel anyone is being overly heavy handed, believe me I wish I had the time to take a 2 week vacation and try to learn it all, but that will not be possible until sometime in May, and I can't wait that long!!! In an earlier post I stated that "we are very excited to start our Foretravel adventure". When I wrote that my brain got stuck on the word challenge and it took me a minute to come up with "adventure". That made me chuckle a little thinking about how the word "challenge" would have been received by the members here.
Anyway spirits are high as we count down the hours.
Anyway spirits are high as we count down the hours.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Benjie Zeller on November 15, 2011, 05:37:15 pm
Post by: Benjie Zeller on November 15, 2011, 05:37:15 pm
Would spending more time be ideal, yes, will it ruin the experience, probably not.Maybe...if you have $3 or $4 Thousand laying around you don't need. You can save some on these type repairs if you can do the fixin' yourself.
Besides, I think that most of us have experienced the new to us Foretravel learning curve and we just want to shorten that curve for the new owners.
OK, I agree $3 - $4K would ruin the experience for me, but you should be able to cover the major systems that would cost this much in a day, no? Especially given the resources on this forum such as the 50 point checklist.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Kent Speers on November 15, 2011, 05:59:32 pm
Post by: Kent Speers on November 15, 2011, 05:59:32 pm
Hey, if you don't take the time that everyone is suggesting, you will still get by and you will still love the experience of owning your coach. We will still be here on the forum and be happy to answer any questions we can. Just be prepared, you may end up like me. I didn't visit NAC for over a year after purchasing my first coach. I got by but it took three years to find out that my coach had a telescoping steering wheel. Prior to that I just couldn't believe that such a nice coach had such a low steering wheel, but I survived.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: brrving on November 15, 2011, 06:01:25 pm
Post by: brrving on November 15, 2011, 06:01:25 pm
For what it's worth. FOT uses a fairly extensive checklist when preparing a used coach for delivery. Ask them for a copy of it, I did on mine. And I was pleased with some of the comments on the form and items that were checked.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on November 15, 2011, 06:19:05 pm
Post by: David and Rita on November 15, 2011, 06:19:05 pm
For what it's worth. FOT uses a fairly extensive checklist when preparing a used coach for delivery. Ask them for a copy of it, I did on mine. And I was pleased with some of the comments on the form and items that were checked.
I have done this, and I intent to check as many of the things on the list on my own while in Nac.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 15, 2011, 09:43:24 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 15, 2011, 09:43:24 pm
Amen Kent -
My Experience - I do all the wrong stuff. Bought two coaches at MOT - one sight unseen. Went to pick them up, flew in, moved stuff over, drove away the same day (work, work work). Take my coach to FOT or MOT or Xtreme at least once a year. Drop it off and don't stay with it. Come in and pick it up and pay the bill and drive away.
Xtreme, MOT and FOT all make good if soething isn't right after I drive away. Why I dry WAYYYYYY out of my way to go to those places. THat being said, one of these days I will stay with the coach when it is worked on, I think I will be both happier and smarter (and probably a little poorer, since I will think of more stuff to do while I am there.)
It is still better to go get it and start having fun. FOT will treat you very well if there are any issues, I am sure, even on a used coach.
Good luck and congratulations.
My Experience - I do all the wrong stuff. Bought two coaches at MOT - one sight unseen. Went to pick them up, flew in, moved stuff over, drove away the same day (work, work work). Take my coach to FOT or MOT or Xtreme at least once a year. Drop it off and don't stay with it. Come in and pick it up and pay the bill and drive away.
Xtreme, MOT and FOT all make good if soething isn't right after I drive away. Why I dry WAYYYYYY out of my way to go to those places. THat being said, one of these days I will stay with the coach when it is worked on, I think I will be both happier and smarter (and probably a little poorer, since I will think of more stuff to do while I am there.)
It is still better to go get it and start having fun. FOT will treat you very well if there are any issues, I am sure, even on a used coach.
Good luck and congratulations.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: David and Rita on November 20, 2011, 08:36:18 pm
Post by: David and Rita on November 20, 2011, 08:36:18 pm
We did it!!!!!
And we are staying until tomorrow in order to give the tech's a chance to fix a few small things we've found. The kitchen sink has low flow, it works but it should have more pressure. The driver side camera is not operating. This coach has three cameras, backup, right side and driver side. I did not know it had this feature until I did a test drive 4 weeks ago and I like it. I'm thinking that something happened when they did the headlight conversion. We found this when Paul was giving us the turnover tour, and he said they can get it fixed easily. Another thing that we found that may be a bigger deal is there are two small spider dings in the driver side windshield upper lift hand side. We just noticed this today before we did an 80 mile test run, which went perfectly. We have come across a few other small things but I don't see anything that can't wait if they can't get to it tomorrow.
More later, We're very happy campers!!!
And we are staying until tomorrow in order to give the tech's a chance to fix a few small things we've found. The kitchen sink has low flow, it works but it should have more pressure. The driver side camera is not operating. This coach has three cameras, backup, right side and driver side. I did not know it had this feature until I did a test drive 4 weeks ago and I like it. I'm thinking that something happened when they did the headlight conversion. We found this when Paul was giving us the turnover tour, and he said they can get it fixed easily. Another thing that we found that may be a bigger deal is there are two small spider dings in the driver side windshield upper lift hand side. We just noticed this today before we did an 80 mile test run, which went perfectly. We have come across a few other small things but I don't see anything that can't wait if they can't get to it tomorrow.
More later, We're very happy campers!!!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 20, 2011, 09:02:22 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 20, 2011, 09:02:22 pm
Rita is looking good behind the wheel. You may not get as much driving time as you thought, eh? But seriously, wish you the best of luck with the new portable digs. Now the honeymoon begins.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: amos.harrison on November 21, 2011, 06:25:00 am
Post by: amos.harrison on November 21, 2011, 06:25:00 am
I had Renfro Glass repair a stone ding in the driver's side windshield at FT before we left the coach for service. In the repair process a three inch crack developed! FT is now replacing the windshield. My insurance company wanted Renfro to do it, but I insisted on FT. BTW, FT said they had never had a crack develop during a repair.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Kent Speers on November 21, 2011, 09:30:22 am
Post by: Kent Speers on November 21, 2011, 09:30:22 am
Amen Kent -
My Experience - I do all the wrong stuff. Bought two coaches at MOT - one sight unseen. Went to pick them up, flew in, moved stuff over, drove away the same day (work, work work). Take my coach to FOT or MOT or Xtreme at least once a year. Drop it off and don't stay with it. Come in and pick it up and pay the bill and drive away.
Good luck and congratulations.
Tim, like you sometimes I roll the dice. You may recall I have my current coach due to your Forum post for Sandi Rosti last year. I bought the coach over the phone, flew to Denver, handed over the check and drove it home in Oklahoma. I saw your post on Saturday and drove it away Tuesday morning. No problems on the maiden voyage and it has been almost trouble free since. I didn't even have to replace tires or batteries. This roll of the dice really worked out. Thanks for putting it on the Forum!!!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 21, 2011, 09:38:46 am
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 21, 2011, 09:38:46 am
Kent - FUP on me posting and you buying - I have a friend that I sent the coach info to a couple a days before I posted your amazing coach on the Forum. He was upse that you bought it so quickly and was a little perturbed at me that I pu it on the forum
"You snooze, you lose" Glad that Sandi sold the coach and that it found a great home
"You snooze, you lose" Glad that Sandi sold the coach and that it found a great home
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 21, 2011, 09:48:55 am
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on November 21, 2011, 09:48:55 am
From earlier post from Tim;
Xtreme, MOT and FOT all make good if soething isn't right after I drive away. Why I dry WAYYYYYY out of my way to go to those places. THat being said, one of these days I will stay with the coach when it is worked on, I think I will be both happier and smarter (and probably a little poorer, since I will think of more stuff to do while I am there.)
Have to laugh about the part of being happier, smarter and little poorer, While at Xtreme, it is so hard to just leave things alone while Rance is there with such great ideas, (costly little mods). Next visit will include makeing both sides (radiator and condenser) open on a hindge, plus a better air intake location to the air filter. Rance does wonders with fiberglass, if you have not been around his work, you missed a talented feller.
Xtreme, MOT and FOT all make good if soething isn't right after I drive away. Why I dry WAYYYYYY out of my way to go to those places. THat being said, one of these days I will stay with the coach when it is worked on, I think I will be both happier and smarter (and probably a little poorer, since I will think of more stuff to do while I am there.)
Have to laugh about the part of being happier, smarter and little poorer, While at Xtreme, it is so hard to just leave things alone while Rance is there with such great ideas, (costly little mods). Next visit will include makeing both sides (radiator and condenser) open on a hindge, plus a better air intake location to the air filter. Rance does wonders with fiberglass, if you have not been around his work, you missed a talented feller.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Dave Head on November 21, 2011, 11:38:41 am
Post by: Dave Head on November 21, 2011, 11:38:41 am
I'm really interested in the intake modes.