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Title: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: bbeane on November 14, 2011, 07:32:13 pm
Does your A/F restriction gauge work? Mine never has. All piping and duct from the A/f housing to the turbo are in good shape and tight, proper filter curently a WIX 42610 and cover gaskets. The gauge works if vacuum is applied at the hose.
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: J. D. Stevens on November 14, 2011, 07:52:06 pm
I've not seen our filter minder move under normal operation conditions. We have driven the coach about 18K miles. We replaced the air filter immediately after we bought the U295.

I can pull the hose at the air filter canister and get it to indicate a change by sucking on it. That is probably bad practice, but it told me the gauge works. I am assuming that the filter is passing filtered air with little restriction.

Folk with more experience may have better advice.
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on November 14, 2011, 08:20:14 pm
JD,

Mine just turned red half way through the trip a couple of weeks ago. Seemed a bit sluggish even for 8500' altitude so I went back and checked it. RED. Good thing to glance at when you pull the dip stick. We take it down a lot of dirt/gravel roads so the rear filter plugs up in a few thousand.

Just in case anyone is wondering, the telltale does work.

Pierce
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: Jerry Whiteaker on November 15, 2011, 08:49:22 pm
My filter indicator never moves much either, stays at about the mid position.  That is until today after driving in some rain.  Now it is about 3/4 of the way to red.  I will reset it and check again on a dry day.  There have been posts on this before that driving in the rain will cause it to move into the red.  Also that rain will turn the dust on the filter into a hard crust when it dries out.  Someone stated that the air filter works better at removing dust after it has had some use, and that replacing it is not recommended until it hits the red, at which time it will appear to be overloaded with dirt.   
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: John Haygarth on November 15, 2011, 10:01:53 pm
yes it supposedly does work better when a bit dirty but with my deflector over the intake area it does not get any of the crap that it used to and no water enters it either. I sacrificed a while ago a new filter just to prove to myself that what I had done was the right thing and when I took the filter out it was almost like new. That is after our trip last winter across Canada and down the eats coast of US into Mexico to PV and back up the west coast--18000kms. If there was a tablespoon full of dust that was it. Bonus was my back up camera was nice and clean all the time even in the rain.
John
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: Robert on November 15, 2011, 10:23:37 pm
The air intake on Foretravels is not efficient.  After putting a cold air intake on my 92 Dodge diesel pick up and feeling the increase in power and the increase in MPG, I took a real close look at the intake on my 96 U320.  I planned it out for some time and finally decided to cut a hole in the end cap and built a ram air set up using 5" exhaust 90's.  Results: a gain of .35mpg.  An increase in HP, maybe as high as 50hp.  Shifting points dropped considerably, it will stay in 6th gear @ 50mph.  Going over the grapevine pulling my jeep, not problem keeping up with traffic.  Perhaps 5 to 10mph faster than before.  I am no body person, but I managed to fiberglass it back to gether nicely It is screened and "Y" into 2 5" intake pointing forward with built in water diversion.  Seems to work out great, it's been in place for 2 years now.

Bob  96 U320
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on November 15, 2011, 10:32:29 pm
Bob,

Picture is worth a thousand words. Have any?

Pierce
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: Peter & Beth on November 15, 2011, 10:54:39 pm
http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=384 (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=384)
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on November 16, 2011, 12:36:05 am
www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=384 (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=384)

Thanks. Looks good. Have to look at my GV to see if anything like this is possible.

Pierce
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: Raymond Jordan on November 16, 2011, 09:25:13 am
Hi Bob,
  Sure is good to see you post. I hope all is well. I like the results you have seen with the air induction mods. Now with this "in" air approach, and some of the other exhaust mods, by others here, we should see some impressive results. Thanks for the update. Are you still in Cal and Arizona?
Raymond
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: wolfe10 on November 16, 2011, 10:01:28 am
What provisions were made to keep out rain if driving in a torrential downpour?

 Water ingestion will ruin a filter element and if it gets to the engine, can hydro-lock the engine much easier than on a gasoline engine because of the much higher compression ratio.
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on November 16, 2011, 11:03:57 am
What provisions were made to keep out rain if driving in a torrential downpour?

 Water ingestion will ruin a filter element and if it gets to the engine, can hydro-lock the engine much easier than on a gasoline engine because of the much higher compression ratio.

And hydro-lock bends connecting rods, even at startup. Very slow head gasket leak locked a new 8V-71 and bent one rod.
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: J. D. Stevens on November 16, 2011, 12:54:16 pm
Many years ago daughter drove through some curb deep water in the Volvo with diesel engine. Curb deep water in Houston is not rare. The car didn't stall and she saw no problems. At dinner that evening, "Dad, there is some white smoke coming from the exhaust on the car." Next day I started the engine and drove the Volvo to the shop. Yes, there was some white smoke. It was indicative of two bent rods.  :'(

Same day wife drove the MB diesel through curb deep water. After I got the diagnosis on the Volvo, I called the MB mechanic and asked if I should bring it in. "Did the floor mats get wet?" "No." "It's OK. Don't bring it in."  :)

Air intake on the Volvo was low and near the front bumper. Air intake on the MB was high near the front grill. The location of the air intake can make a big difference. Don't allow water to enter the air intake.
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: PatC on November 17, 2011, 10:47:39 am
What provisions were made to keep out rain if driving in a torrential downpour?
I was thinking the same thing about Bob's setup.  I have seen similiar set ups on tractor trailers, but the intake opening faces the rear and down.  I believe many of the transit buses like the  Gillig hybrid are the same.
Title: Re: Filter Restriction Guage
Post by: wolfe10 on November 17, 2011, 04:47:41 pm
Ya, a forward facing snorkel, particularly anywhere near the roof where it can collect 36+ feet of water in a torrential rain may well serve as a water scoop.  Not worth the risk.