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Title: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Steve & Kathy B on February 07, 2012, 08:58:56 am
I thought that maybe I could learn something from other owners about their rigs.  I'll start...

Worst - Hidden dump valves for the grey/black tanks.  Hard to get to if they break.
Best - HWH air leveling system with no jacks, transmission retarder. ( had to list 2!)
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: jeff on February 07, 2012, 09:37:30 am
Worst...front entry step. Accident waiting to happen...But, on the way to Stallings for modification/

Best....everything else (does that count as one?)
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: wa_desert_rat on February 07, 2012, 09:44:56 am
Best: Accordion pleat cabinet doors (I love them!)

Worst: Tail light assembly that has to be re-glued after changing a light.

Craig
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Peter & Beth on February 07, 2012, 10:03:44 am
Best: Dashboard layout & accessibility. Worst: fresh water tank overflow.

Peter
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Carol Savournin on February 07, 2012, 10:05:14 am
Worst ... front entry step, for sure.  VERY close second??  Gotta be the designs that have a big, honking mirror just opposite the commode.  (Are you KIDDING???)  Serious lack of thought, there.

LOVED the tambour doors on our '93 and '95 coaches. 
 
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Mark... on February 07, 2012, 10:37:10 am
I can't believe that there is no light switch accessible from the recliner for the PS overhead light in our coach?!?!?  We have light switches everywhere else...  Hard to believe that no designer ever sat there for a moment and said gee...  would be nice to control that light right over my head from this comfy seat without having to get up.  I know it is a little thing but when I want to snooze I like a little darkness!
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on February 07, 2012, 12:17:26 pm
best - retarder

worst - "J" lounge for table, close follower - slide design/bladder in early model slide units
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on February 07, 2012, 12:33:05 pm
Worst: Propane and fuel tank next to exit door. Wasted space under nose of U300. Terrible owner's manual and no detailed parts manual. Learning curve where all switches are.

Best: Interior design, feeling, quality woodwork. Love the intimate big jet cockpit feel up front.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Don Hay on February 07, 2012, 01:12:24 pm
Worst:  No Retarder

Best:  Suspension/handling; automatic leveling system (no jacks); cabinetry/tambour doors; U-line Ice Maker (yes, we use LOTS of ice!) :)
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: BobW on February 07, 2012, 02:40:41 pm
Best of the best: Our 60 inches of kitchen counter on our 40 ft CAI
Best: a desk, Retarder and chassis (why we bought a Foretravel)

Worst: HVAC 1) Dash AC vents cool only the driver's knees 2) House AC not extended to front of motorhome

Bob
2000 U270
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on February 07, 2012, 03:11:30 pm
This is an easy one.

Worst:  J Lounge Dining table
Best: Aqua Hot, Retrader, Leveling, Dash heat & AC, 500 HP, Wood work, Body, Xtreme  Paint

Hell, Everything is very fine, what is not to like ?

Dave M
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Steve & Kathy B on February 07, 2012, 04:01:05 pm
Worst...front entry step. Accident waiting to happen...But, on the way to Stallings for modification/

Best....everything else (does that count as one?)

Step mod?  What? How?  What's getting done?
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Steve & Kathy B on February 07, 2012, 04:06:10 pm
Worst ... front entry step, for sure.  VERY close second??  Gotta be the designs that have a big, honking mirror just opposite the commode.  (Are you KIDDING???)  Serious lack of thought, there.

LOVED the tambour doors on our '93 and '95 coaches.

HA HA!  Agree with you on the mirror location.  Even worse... in mine there's a mirror BEHIND the commode AND in front of the commode so it doesn't matter which direction I face.  Scary!  :o  I will eventually remove the mirror behind the toilet, but then will probably have to get something to cover up where it's been for 12 years -  because I'll probably rip the wall some how trying to get it off.  Project for another time I guess.  Hmmm, press on fake tile sheets come to mind...
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Bill Willett on February 07, 2012, 05:28:55 pm
Worst,Dash lights inverter.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on February 07, 2012, 06:21:54 pm
Step mod?  What? How?  What's getting done?
The "Moose" was painted by the Stallings. 
Check out their website  Custom RV and Motorhome Painting, Custom RV Paint Design, RV Paint Repair, (http://www.xtremegraphics.net/step.html#)
Neal
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Michelle on February 07, 2012, 06:29:48 pm
Step mod?  What? How?  What's getting done?

I believe J&C are going for the Kwikee series 42 like we did

Xtreme step conversion on our '03 U320 (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=12183.0)

Since that thread was written, we replaced the magnet with a second switch to override the step and keep it retracted when parked (if ground clearance/curbs dictate).  Not often needed except when parked in front of the house here.

Michelle
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Michelle on February 07, 2012, 06:45:35 pm
Well, since we already modded our head/shoulder debilitating TV cabinet and had the step conversion, I would agree with the challenging access to the actual dump valves and the tank sensors as being the current worst design.  One shouldn't have to cut sealant and have to remove a faucet, soap dispenser, outlets, etc. and entire bay wall to change out a couple of screw-in sensors and/or bolt-in valves (not to enamored of the tank calibration gymnastics, either).  We're curious to see what Parliament may come up with for Moose since Steve is wanting to mod that bay as well.

Best design feature is the chassis - low overall height (at least the "older" years up through our generation), transmission with retarder, outboard-placed airbags that give the coach such excellent road manners.

Michelle
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Steve & Kathy B on February 07, 2012, 07:08:43 pm
We're curious to see what Parliament may come up with for Moose since Steve is wanting to mod that bay as well.Michelle

 I will definitely post the results of the finished mod here.  I'm getting the work done at Classic Coach Works ( Classic Coach Works - We Renovate RV's - We specialize in coach customization, (http://www.classiccoachworks.com/) ) in Lakeland, Fl.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Ralph on February 07, 2012, 08:26:17 pm
Worst:
1. Headlights
2. Lack of 110V outlets & poor accessibility to the ones that are there
3. Bulkhead design

Best:
1. Retarder
2. Ride / Handling
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: sam7 on February 07, 2012, 11:34:17 pm
Con: Lack of a decent coffee cup holder for the driver.
        Air operated step. If electric it could be closed/opened when wanted.

Pro: Just about everything else that makes it a Foretravel.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: wa_desert_rat on February 07, 2012, 11:44:14 pm
Con: Lack of a decent coffee cup holder for the driver

So they hadn't figured that out even in the U320s huh? I just thought it was my early model U225 (93) that was the reason. Can't even find a decent place to put one unless I "install" it. The co-pilot's side has a spot that works fine, though.

Craig
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Dave Cobb on February 07, 2012, 11:56:20 pm
Worst has to be the rear radiator.  Open the huge rear grill access door, and look at the monster large radiator.  Want to check things, change belts, alternator, pumps, or clean between the charged air and the radiator, you are out of luck.  Everything must be done from above, hanging down or laying on top of the engine block.  What were they thinking?

Best has to be the wood and tambour doors, and intelligent design of the interiors, storage and features.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on February 08, 2012, 12:27:43 am
Solved coffee cup holder, Toyota rav4 circa about 2007 has rubber removable Cup holders that fit in current cut out and hold cup perfectly. Sorry coach is in fl so no pictures or part number
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: bbeane on February 08, 2012, 05:50:31 am
Worst: steel mounting brackets glassed in the front and rear hatches over time they get rust jacking, wireing behind the TV for the bose sat etc, just wadded up and jamed in the corner.

Best: It's a Foretravel , who else makes a coach that is 10-15 years old and older still looks and performs great and still has factory support and parts.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Kent Speers on February 08, 2012, 11:01:00 am
LIKES: We particularly like the warmth and elegant feel of the fine woodwork in our Grand Villa. The ride and handling are of course THE BEST. It is one of the few coaches that doesn't rock when you walk around in it. The fact that we have a nearly 20 year old coach with everything working great and with few repairs ain't bad either.

Wishes: We would love to have ducted Air Conditioning, an extra commode and a quieter generator, all of which we can easily live without. Oh, and a real basement we could hide in when there are Tornadoes around.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Dwayne on February 08, 2012, 01:49:25 pm
My rig has folding plastic cup holders for driver and passenger that look vintage so I assumed they were stock.  Best is the overall quality, fit and finishes.  Worst is propane generator when the motor is diesel tied with the shower/tub combo two feet off the floor with a half-a$$ed step for getting in and out, which, since most of these coaches were (and continue to be) for the octagenarian set, is a broken hip waiting to happen.  Understand why the mid walk-through bath became more prominent shortly thereafter.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: wa_desert_rat on February 08, 2012, 02:51:46 pm
I would like to modify my "worst" vote to at least include the rear radiator... which makes replacement of rear lights (brakes, etc.) even more difficult than it would otherwise be. Nice work!

And the ladder isn't so hot, either.

Craig

PS: I'd whine about the tiny little mini-dinette for "two" except that I think at one time it would have been fine for the DW and I; just not any more.

cj
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on February 08, 2012, 03:56:13 pm
Seems the only answer for having the coach of all your wants & likes is to do like the rich folks and order a new Phenix or IH-45 to your liking or get real educated, buy a Prevost converson.  ;D

For me, the 2001, 36'  U320 with the ISM 500 is the complete package, have had a few mods at Xtreme done.  For my style, nothing can beat it in the hills or at the camp site.
Of course I am cheap & tachy.
Dave M
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Karl Brenneman on February 08, 2012, 04:30:29 pm
(Best)

After owning 3 motor homes. I have found the road manners of the Foretravel outstanding. ie. retarder, disk brakes, and outside mounted air bags to mention a few.

(Worst)
 
The bulkhead issue.
The lack of structural enginering  on the slide opening. The bottom of the slide opening sages about a 1/2" along with the storage bays under the slide opening. I have notice the problem with a number of FT with slides.

Lack of convenient wall receptacles, Uncomfortable J lounge.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Christis Dream on February 08, 2012, 06:49:03 pm
Worst - Ours has washer hook-ups but they neglected to install an outlet!

Best - pretty much everything else.

I imagine as time goes by and we are in ours a little longer we'l  find other little things that we wish were different - but overall we just can't get over the quality and thought that went into the design.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Steve & Kathy B on February 08, 2012, 07:11:39 pm
... but overall we just can't get over the quality and thought that went into the design.

 I agree  ;D.  The handling, the fit and quality of everything is just outstanding in our Foretravel!
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: PatC on February 08, 2012, 11:57:23 pm
My rig has folding plastic cup holders for driver and passenger that look vintage so I assumed they were stock.
Dwayne - pictures please!!!
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Merle Hench on February 09, 2012, 06:18:18 am
Agree with some of the comments.

Worst - working on the engine. A couple of hours being a contortionist in the engine bay wears me out. Second to that is access to the fresh water tank. I'd really like to be able see what's going on in there without having to tear the coach apart.

Best - build quality and support. I can still get parts for it, and my questions are always answered. This forum and Barry's web site are really key for me in buying a Foretravel. Try getting detailed info on any other brand of older coach - I did - spent many hours and days going nowhere.

Steve
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Dave Head on February 09, 2012, 01:29:49 pm
Pick your cup holder insert here!
cup holder insert | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=cup+holder+insert)
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on February 09, 2012, 04:32:09 pm
Toyota tab 4 works perfect for my coach
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: David and Rita on February 10, 2012, 07:21:14 pm
Worst: Where that heck are my house batteries?  I wish I could get to them easily so I could check them. 

Best:
This is the first coach I have owned, all I know is the build quality is outstanding compared to the other brands that I had looked at before coming to Foretravel.  My parents had a 98 Monaco and when I called my mom a couple of years ago while they were driving down the highway, mom ask me if she could call me later due to it being so noisy while they were under way that she couldn't hear.  I don't have that problem at all.  Smooth and quite is the way the 04 U320 rolls alone. 
It has a flat screen tv's, most SOB's didn't start doing that until 07/08. 
I have full/mostly full tile.  No cracks anywhere. 

I could go on.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Michelle on February 10, 2012, 07:25:58 pm
Worst: Where that heck are my house batteries?  I wish I could get to them easily so I could check them. 

Just in case you are asking - if they're like our '03, 2nd storage bay on the curb (passenger) side, look for the panel screwed into the rearward wall.  Unscrew that panel and you will find your house batteries behind it.

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Great location for weight distribution.  Lousy for battery checking.

Michelle
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: wds3135 on February 10, 2012, 08:53:58 pm
Did you add those gray pipes? Ours are in the same place. Just had our batteries replaced and it was a chore!
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Michelle on February 10, 2012, 09:01:00 pm
Did you add those gray pipes? Ours are in the same place. Just had our batteries replaced and it was a chore!

Those are just PVC we spray painted grey to make them less obvious.  They are the support for an 18" deep wire shelf Steve added to the back of that bay.  (sorry, I don't have a photo) 

Michelle
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: J. D. Stevens on February 10, 2012, 10:55:06 pm
Just in case you are asking - if they're like our '03, 2nd storage bay on the curb (passenger) side, look for the panel screwed into the rearward wall.  Unscrew that panel and you will find your house batteries behind it.

Great location for weight distribution.  Lousy for battery checking.

Michelle
Yuck! Our three 8D batteries are accessible in the bay just behind the driver's side steer wheel. Two are on the bottom tray and one on the top tray. The trays are on rollers that can be pulled out. That's good placement and access!

Favorite feature is chassis construction, especially the ride and handling characteristics. It allows lots of other great features to be put in their proper places so they function well. We have an appreciation for those issues after owning SOB coach of same size and vintage.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: David and Rita on February 10, 2012, 11:28:23 pm
Just in case you are asking - if they're like our '03, 2nd storage bay on the curb (passenger) side, look for the panel screwed into the rearward wall.  Unscrew that panel and you will find your house batteries behind it.

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Great location for weight distribution.  Lousy for battery checking.

Michelle

Thank you Michelle, I will dive in there tomorrow with my multi meter and see what I have.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: George Stoltz on February 12, 2012, 08:03:06 pm
I have two reasons for commenting here:

1.  This will give me a nice round 3500 comments.
2.  I think the difficulty in accessing windshield wiper motors is a bad design.  I know they don't often fail, but when they do, it is a real bear to access them.

Good topic, Steve.
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Steve & Kathy B on February 13, 2012, 05:54:42 am
I have two reasons for commenting here:

1.  This will give me a nice round 3500 comments.
2.  I think the difficulty in accessing windshield wiper motors is a bad design.  I know they don't often fail, but when they do, it is a real bear to access them.

Good topic, Steve.

hehehee  Nice idea George!  Yeah, that's right... this topic was George's idea.  ^.^d
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: oldmattb on February 13, 2012, 04:53:29 pm
good - flip-up dash

bad - light switches are not on the light fixtures where our old SOB trained me to look for them

oldMattB
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Dwayne on February 13, 2012, 10:02:40 pm
Pat C., Don Hay posted pictures of the same cupholder in another thread.  Here is the link but it sounds as if they were aftermarket after all: CupHolder Solution (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=14740.msg86950#msg86950)
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: 96u270 on February 14, 2012, 10:29:09 pm
Worst
1-The AC vents are under the steering wheel,Not a good spot at all unless you want to keep your legs cool..
2-Low head lights...I can see every pimple in the road 100 feet in front of the bus,After that it's dark.

Best
1-Non Computerized Cummins Diesel+Allison Tranny+Rockwell axles+A Solid Coach inside and out=One Bad Ass Machine!!!!This Thing never stops
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Carol Savournin on February 15, 2012, 09:12:09 am
I think Steve or Michelle should put these Best/Worst on some kind of pie chart, for a visual aid.  All this mechanical talk is great ... but I am still going with the worst feature being the mirror opposite the commode.  Hands down. 
Title: Re: What is the worst/best design feature of your Foretravel?
Post by: Paul Smith on February 15, 2012, 09:25:54 am
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I am still going with the worst feature being the mirror opposite the commode. Hands down.

Jeeeze.... I never noticed that while I was in the Library.

Oooopppssss! I guess that means I'm reading not admiring myself in the mirror ;o)

best, paul