Foretravel Motorhome Forums => Foretravel Discussions => Topic started by: MemoryRoads on February 16, 2012, 09:41:02 pm
Title: Looking for a FT
Post by: MemoryRoads on February 16, 2012, 09:41:02 pm
Hello, To introduce ourselves, we are Ron and Dorothy Sheridan. Traveling now in SW in our class C, heading to Pheonix.
Been researching for a year or so and probably settling in on a FT 36, possibly a 40 in the 97-2000 vintage with NO slide. (now that said, anything is 'possible'..............i'm a realist!)
Traveled from florida to MOT and FT in Tx. to view what they had and digest their operations.
Left feeling quite comfortable with both.... good people, good businesses.
Now to continue, I believe buying from a person is better for me and them.
Done enough research to keep me inline with real pricing which seems to be well below NADA low, by a few % to .....much more. I know this aggravates sellers, but I have to deal with this in my life too, selling my boat and my home in the market we live in..........so no hand grenades need to be thrown here. we are all in the same boat.
I believe we the wife and i, are settling into the concept of a 36/u320 but will consider both 34 and 40. Yup, I know that is a shotgun approach, but... you never know until you know.
34' galley seems to minimal for us yet otherwise pleasant........and 40 seems to be to long for sites we love most, the remote ones, so we are still humpty dumptys............ (We love remote areas in the last places we can visit that are still dedicated to natural environments..............before the businesses take over our parks.)
While we are 'looking--with cash', we are also, quite cognisant of input from those who have something to offer as advice.......... so please, inform us and I'm sure others, by contributing more to your base of information on these matters.
In the end, we will be there in some campground beside some of you.
I'm leaning towards a U320 wish list?... AquaHot Bigger Engine/transmission do like, Cherry or Walnut non-slide reels on elec. and H2o
Garaged Kept or extremely ...good exterior condition as well as interior,// of great importance. Looking for only the best, at a realistic/todays price. If not, then must consider costs to put it/keep it there.
thanks again, ron and dorothy. MEMORY ROSE (http://www.memoryrose.blogspot.com) (our boat's blog) Memory Roads (http://www.memoryroads.blogspot.com) (our rv's blog)
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Dave Head on February 16, 2012, 10:13:38 pm
Plenty of coaches available - well below book. Instead of figuring your deal, try getting the newest coach in the nineties you can afford. Each year improvements were made - 98/99 models with ducted air, dual pane, better engines, etc etc.
I got decent deals on both Foretravels I bought from MOT. More importantly, both times I got great coaches. You may get a great deal and then get to spend $10-15K making it right. My 95 is a great coach. Sure, I would like better, the the grand old lady suits us just fine.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Bill Willett on February 17, 2012, 09:02:23 am
FT's that have had the upgrades, such as headlights,non-slip roof coating,painted strip's verses decals,and new interior's will sell above book. ^.^d
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: wa_desert_rat on February 17, 2012, 11:02:03 am
I have noticed that the number of Foretravels on the craigslist pages within about 2,000 miles of my location (I use SearchTempest - The EASY way to search Craigslist (http://www.searchtempest.com)) has declined considerably. In November the RV ads were crowded with Unihomes and Unicoaches. Right now the only ones I see are the early 80s models or gas-powered rigs. The real bargains in the early-to-mid 90s coaches have been snapped up. The last real "buy" was a U280 located in northern California which went for $22,500 on eBay. The U270 advertised widely for under $50k that was in Portland, OR has disappeared.
It could be that sellers are waiting for the spring "rush" of buyers but it's also possible that the improving economy and the recent talk of a much larger domestic has encouraged people who had been on the fence to buy motor homes. Lots of baby boomers set to retire right about now, too.
Should be interesting. The latest offering of a 1993 U225 at over $27k is heartening for those of us who have already bought. Unless, of course, we want to trade up. :P
Craig
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: TulsaTrent on February 17, 2012, 12:25:01 pm
97 was the first year for ducted air,dual pane windows, and the smart wheel,most U270 did not have the Joy Stick for the retarder.
Our 1996 U320 has dual pane windows, but no ducted air. . .A/C comes right out of the rooftop air conditioners. Of course it has the joystick retarder; headlight/taillight upgrade; Winegard Traveler 1000; JACK HD TV antenna; and other improvements, so hopefully it should sell for more than NADA low retail.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Claire on February 17, 2012, 03:08:26 pm
Ron and Dorothy We are selling our 2001 36 ft. U320, posted an add here on the forum Jan 14th. I was having difficulty posting pictures, but listed the highlights of the coach. You can reach us at almquist@att.net and I can forward pictures, and or give us a call at 541-944-4544 Gary or Claire P.S. ours has a slide and we love it, never have had any problem!!! also our coach is garaged and we have all service records available. The price is negotioable, as most are.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: MemoryRoads on February 17, 2012, 06:47:40 pm
Thanks 'All' for your responses. We're learning much from the forum and still finding lot's to read. Will do our best to reply to all contacts and keep tuned in as best we can. Snowing now in Silver City, NM. (second day) but hope to leave tomorrow, heading west/south west. It's gotta be warmer....somewhere! ;) Have been slow picking up internet on the side roads of America and remote campgrounds(last one was Cliff Dwellings National Monument where we almost got snowed in), but should be able to check back every few days at least. Again thanks!! ron and dorothy
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: rbark on February 17, 2012, 08:02:04 pm
I think the 97 was the first year for the screen door.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: MemoryRoads on February 18, 2012, 12:41:28 am
I was responding here, to postings regarding fuel pricing...sorry if came up here but so be it. the comment is relative to this classified too. ============================================================================ Having followed other posts, esp.catching up tonigh on ones of fuel costs/that reflect my forward thinking, I have to say yes, listings have dropped.
But........since most rigs owned of the vintage we(I) are talking about, 97-2000, banks are no longer in the equation lending. buyers in this range have to put up cash. owners 'i' think have decided to hunker down and reflect, often like home owners decidedly unsettled. Ok, I've done over the years and this/here is where 'i' have lost doing this. Waiting, has placed what i own one year older and I had done this for a decade with homes, thinking things will come back. Nope/a decade of hope/investment...absolutely wasted. My boat... took 15 years of re-engineering and rebuilding and costs I can now only recoup by 40% maybe/with no labor included.,only materials. $400k now maybe 175 recouperable at best. Motorhomes? they get one year older every year, just like a car..... every year, no matter what the original sticker price WAS, they are only added into the ever increasing number of rigs out there. New Million dollar rigs? Sure, a few out there and a few buying. 'Ours?' many many and growing in number and age monthly. Baby boomers coming of age to buy? Well, I think most are covering their ---- or their childrens expenses as jobs, homes, retirement. pensions and futures in general are all upside down, and cost rising. the few of us that even consider the conversation we are having are a very lucky group, diminishing in size daily.
Rather than question the price of fuel??? I would state without question, that we will never see it below todays pricing again and can count on double or triple todays pricing in 2-5 years and then?. No Problem for deep pockets but deep pockets do not own FT's more than a decade old. it is the 'rest' of us, buying and selling these used rigs from the really well financed folks out there. If it was not for us, the market would implode and if ............sorry for putting this on the table, but if Isreal or ? takes out irans nukes, or Greece defaults, or china does ?? tomorrow, then fuel could be 2-? times todays prices for a year or so. then what? I respect conversation etc. but realize how fast our world can change. Live in a FT rather than travel in it?? Who is buying one for that reason? Spring rush? I think maybe in days past, but not now a reality for those alert. respectfully, ron I've got a budget and prepared to spend it according to the road I see ahead. I'm prepped. moving forward and reading the signs of today, not history. chris, in Portland seems a nice guy and communicative. i've talked to him and believe he is busy but out there.
I have noticed that the number of Foretravels on the craigslist pages within about 2,000 miles of my location (I use SearchTempest - The EASY way to search Craigslist (http://www.searchtempest.com)) has declined considerably. In November the RV ads were crowded with Unihomes and Unicoaches. Right now the only ones I see are the early 80s models or gas-powered rigs. The real bargains in the early-to-mid 90s coaches have been snapped up. The last real "buy" was a U280 located in northern California which went for $22,500 on eBay. The U270 advertised widely for under $50k that was in Portland, OR has disappeared.
It could be that sellers are waiting for the spring "rush" of buyers but it's also possible that the improving economy and the recent talk of a much larger domestic has encouraged people who had been on the fence to buy motor homes. Lots of baby boomers set to retire right about now, too.
Should be interesting. The latest offering of a 1993 U225 at over $27k is heartening for those of us who have already bought. Unless, of course, we want to trade up. :P
Craig
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Chuck Pearson on February 18, 2012, 08:06:05 am
I was responding here, to postings regarding fuel pricing...sorry if came up here but so be it. the comment is relative to this classified too. ============================================================================
But........since most rigs owned of the vintage we(I) are talking about, 97-2000, banks are no longer in the equation lending. buyers in this range have to put up cash.
Rather than question the price of fuel??? I would state without question, that we will never see it below todays pricing again and can count on double or triple todays pricing in 2-5 years and then?.
then fuel could be 2-? times todays prices for a year or so. then what?
I respect conversation etc. but realize how fast our world can change. I'm prepped. moving forward and reading the signs of today, not history.
My bank had zero problems with financing my 96, purchased one year ago. Since the price was well under KBB 100% financing was offered.
Are you maybe over thinking this fuel business a bit? If you really think fuel is going to be double or triple todays prices in 2-5 years, why are you even considering buying a motorhome?
My brother is the parsimonious type. We spent two years building an offshore fishing boat, an aluminum powercat. Even building it ourselves, there was a considerable expense and brother Joe agonized over it more than I. Our first offshore trip, with my son, myself and Joe, we tied into three magnificent Wahoo, (picture of one in avatar) all in the 70-80 lb range. Each of us caught one, along with the frenzied activity of hooking and landing a fish that makes extended 70 mph runs. We got em on board, caught our breath, cracked a beer and my brother turned to me and said.."Well, Chuckie, we just paid for the boat." I paid for my Foretravel in one trip.
The cost/value ratio is so favorable for buyers these days I don't really see how anyone could quibble too much over asking prices. Find a nice one and jump on it.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Kent Speers on February 18, 2012, 01:14:56 pm
I hope my comments will be of some help in choosing the right coach.
The value of a motorhome like any other item is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I know when I was selling my 93 U225, several people felt I was asking too much for it. I knew how much it was worth based on its condition and care. They bought other bargain coaches and ended up spending far more to make those coaches road worthy than my asking price. Two of the three bargain coaches have already been sold. The buyer of my U225 and I have stayed in touch and he has only needed to make routine repairs and maintenance so his overall cost made my coach a much better value than the bargain priced coaches the others bought.
As an aside, like Chuck in 2010 we financed the entire purchase price of our current 93, U300. With rates as low as they are and the economy in its current condition, conserving cash just made sense. If ones credit is adequate you just have to find a bank that recognizes the value of a vintage Foretravel. Its not just an old motorhome it is Vintage Foretravel Motor Coach.
I suggest that if you think someone is asking too much for the condition of the coach, move on. But don't be penny wise and pound foolish. Most of us on the Forum know the value of our coaches. If you are an educated buyer and find the right coach that has the equipment you want for a reasonable price, just pull the trigger, otherwise you will either get burned by a bargain or still be looking three years from now. Of course if you are right about the fuel prices, that may not be a bad thing.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: wa_desert_rat on February 18, 2012, 01:41:08 pm
. Of course if you are right about the fuel prices, that may not be a bad thing.
$8/gallon diesel will really shake things up in this country, there's no doubt about it. I don't think, given the increase in domestic supply of oil (mostly shale) that we'll see it in 2 years. And I've heard people say, "We'll never see $2/gallon diesel again...!" only to have $2/gallon diesel six months later.
But to bolster my argument that perhaps the market is improving, notice how quickly that $27k 1993 U225 sold.
Craig
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Donmystic1 on February 18, 2012, 05:13:49 pm
I too have been looking for a used 36ft Foretravel or Bluebird SP 36 for more than a year now.
Most of the units that I was interested in were 10-20 thousand too much, even in great condition. Some were very high mileage units that were very over priced.
95% of all the units that I was interested in are still for sale, some at slightly lower asking prices but none anywhere near the book value.
My biggest concern in buying any unit is that it will become a disposal issue when I am tired of it. I truly may end up being the last owner and having to insure it and store it for a long time.
Memory lane has it right when he says that he can't get any near his cost for his boat. I don't think I would even waste any money advertising mine as there is "No Market Period" for highend sportfisermans like mine...
Insurance, winter storage and dockage is about $10,000.00 a year here in New England.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Kent Speers on February 18, 2012, 05:38:39 pm
Some people do ask ridiculous prices and those coaches are still for sale but there appear to be a number of Foretravel's below Retail book prices on Marketplace in Dockweiler, CA (http://WWW.OODLE.COM). And the prices I have seen that have been sold through the Foreforum appear to be very reasonable.
If you have been looking for over a year and can't find anything, maybe a little bit older model will be more to your liking price wise. The older well cared for Foretravels are extremely reliable and comfortable. I wouldn't trade my 1993, U300 for one 10 or 15 years newer. We love the classic workmanship and style and you can't beat the value.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Donmystic1 on February 18, 2012, 06:32:17 pm
What I am running into is that some are so underwater with the finance companies that they will never get out from under it. One I looked at, the owner was going to have to take forty thousand to the bank over what I was willing to pay (above book). He couldn't do the deal. Same story as the housing market. this gentleman had taken a home equity loan to buy his Foretravel 4 years ago. And his title to the unit reflected a lien from someone.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Kent Speers on February 18, 2012, 08:28:22 pm
That makes a lot of sense. But there is bound to be one out there just for you. Be patient, Foretrafels are worth the wait.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: MemoryRoads on February 20, 2012, 12:35:54 am
First of all, thanks! I have always been impressed with the quality of responses on this forum and the amount of info available in your site is amazing. In answer to PM's and as a general reply/continuation of comments, I'll respond. I agree 'condition is key to much of pricing' and certainly will try to get what I pay for. Some of your rigs are beauties and I can understand the joy and pride of ownership. I consider myself quite blessed in worldly things. I've got a fabulous waterfront condo and a fantastic sail boat, both of which I'd love to sell at prices that reflect their speciality and condition, but alas, that's not working for me or I think, most others at this time. The 'value' of them is in a much diminished state today and does not reflect the quality or costs to replace them. Boat was costing me 15K a year down in Panama Canal for dockage/insurance and elec. not counting all other costs that go along with ownership or use. Similar to my home but I've got to consider those costs in whether I hold or sell sooner than later. The 'market and economy' has changed how I look at things. Age, comps, necessity or luxury, supply/demand and outside influences.... like costs to own/maintain or future value, both in sales price or ability to use as well as other items play into pricing of everything, homes, boats, cars, motorhomes etc. Accessibility too-(If a qualified and interested buyer lives close to you, there is a better chance of a sale than if a potential buyer is across the country. I'm more likely to buy a motorhome that is within some reasonable distance, but in time will look at most I feel I can document as filling my wish list, even if many states away. While I can afford to buy a newer and better rig than I will eventually buy, my wife and I have agreed that we would be quite comfortable in a late 90's FT. Yes, there are some beautiful GV's out there and as I said, who knows, we are still learning, but leaning. We are learning about the FT's so we can make accurate decisions and also about pricing for the same reason. I'll hopefully not pay 2x what the same model can be bought for in similar condition. Condition yes, equipment yes, all of this is in the mix, but if I 'do' find that a decent or good rig and then "I" can throw in tires, batteries, carpets, windshields, decals or paint, head lights, amplifiers, tv systems etc. etc. and still come out under one priced higher, then I will probably do that. Maybe not important but maybe yes. Much rather have ALL items new and installed personally or with my oversight, so i know what i have. If pricing is closer between coaches, then certainly buying someone Else's choice of options or upgrades, even if a bit aged but working would be just fine to get thru the process and move on. In cars, there are clean 55 Chevy's drivable for one to a few thousand dollars, or radically fixed up for tens of thousands. I'm not looking for an expensive hot rod or say, a vintage corvette, or any rare item. I'm looking for a motor home I believe comparable to a 1997-2001 top end specific model Mercedes with certain options not others, or similarly a good quality 10-12 year own boat, home or plane...and as such will be strongly looking at the qualities of components and models as well as the valuation put on them by the real market of book values and recent sale pricing. A PM brought up good points on the used car lots of motorhome sales and yes, they are there to make a profit and most I believe in sales pay attention more strongly to their bottom line than anything else. They can overlook giving you the full truth if it might kill the sale. It's a buyer beware market there as well as in the private market so yes, an inspection by an outside professional is sound advice. At MOT and FT we were shown their rigs as well as consignments.... with windshields cracked or chipped, shattered or cracked tiles, cracked counter tops, broken mounts on driver and passenger chairs, clearly soiled furniture/ carpeting, scratched wood, dual pane window seals needing repair,etc, etc. So no doubt, much, is still up to the buyer. Some rigs, like cars, boats etc. are abused or just not cared for and some are maintained very well. Certainly pricing vehicles differently makes sense. I know I'll never get back what I'll put into almost anything :( yet happy to pay the fiddler for the song I want. Lastly, fuel prices? A post I read on your site last night regarding them said gas prices might hit $5. by summer. Not my post but I can see the reasoning. Since diesel seems to be roughly 20% more around the country, yes-I'll be watching and a bit concerned at $6 diesel/maybe this year. It wouldn't stop my plans but ........it does tend to get and hold my attention. A few folks out there have contacted me with info on their rigs and I appreciate that. We will look, learn and I trust find the right FT for us and in the end both buyer and seller will be content. In the meantime, anyone with a 36' 99-01, non slide, considering a sale now or in the reasonable future please consider contacting us. Units outside this narrow range will still be considered by us.
Thanks all of you!
ron and dorothy s.v.memoryrose@gmail.com 727-543-7613
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Paul Smith on February 20, 2012, 02:50:45 am
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In the meantime, anyone with a 36' 99-01, non slide, considering a sale now or in the reasonable future please consider contacting us. Units outside this narrow range will still be considered by us.
We've owned 2 Class C's and 2 Foretravel's: 1997 36ft U295 and 1999 40ft U320
Both FT's are great coaches. But our current 40 footer is a LOT more RV than our 36 footer.
So while I agree with your dates of 99-01, and no slide, you might consider a 40 footer.
Good luck in your hunt.
best, paul
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Tim Fiedler on February 20, 2012, 08:45:17 am
After having a 36 99 U-270 and the current (single slide) 40' u-320 - I agree with Dave - I would definitely add 40 to my list - unless you only stayed in National parks year round. - Plus I would go for a U-320 - wouldn't give up the aqua hot - propane furnace too noisy for our taste, love the walnut over the oak cabinets.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Dave Cobb on February 20, 2012, 09:43:09 am
I am late as usual to this thread, and the current owner of Kent's last U225. We bought it instead if maybe 10 other ones we had seen. Condition and current dated items were the deciding factors, along with a coach that had been in current use. Price was not really a huge factor, and now almost a year later with only minor service, and nits that any coach would have been likely to have we are very happy with a classic.
We have heard at least a dozen time in the last week on the road and camping how good a Foretravel is, how a friend has one, or had one, and changed brands. I had to ask that last guy how that was working, and heard, "well the new one's sure not a Foretravel" but it was cheaper and will do ok.
I have become I guess a snob about this brand, see lots of other ones, hear the owners putting up with the SOB's they own. We have already decided this coach and it's first year of ownership had been worth every penny spent, if I get any thing some day on trade or resale we will be coming out ahead. But owning a coach with just so many options and features compared to the rest of those in the park keep me smiling.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Dan Stansel on February 20, 2012, 09:49:35 am
After having a 36 ft 270 and now a 40 ft 295 I think everyone would be happy with the 40 footer. The difference is only 4 feet but what a difference it makes in comfort. Would not go back to the 36. The 40 ft seems to ride better. Just need a little more turning radius. DAN
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: kb0zke on February 20, 2012, 10:18:48 am
Good thought here. We're also in the "learning about" group, which is why I ask so many questions. Since we will be buying a used coach, it seems to make sense to us to have several possible routes (coaches) that fit our needs. When we find one that is in the right condition at the right price we will buy it. Just like cars, trucks, houses, boats, and airplanes, sellers ask more than what they expect to get, and buyers offer less than what they expect to pay. When the buyer and seller agree on a price somewhere between what was initially asked and offered, the value of the coach has been established for those two at that time. Another buyer may have been willing to pay more (or less), but that buyer wasn't there. Someone else may offer a better coach at a lower price some time after the sale, but it wasn't available when the buyer was ready to buy.
One idea that I'm using is to note coaches that might be of interest to us when we're ready to buy, comparing asking price NADA price, and final selling price (when known). That gives me a pretty good feel for a general price (not value) for what we might be interested in. This helps keep me looking in the right area, and also lets me see if something might be a bargain or has some hidden problem.
BTW, since we started our research over a year ago, I've heard of at least two coaches that were sold at well under "market price" because the seller wanted to help someone else out. In one case, the seller had owned the coach for a number of years, was in his final months, and wanted someone else to enjoy it as much as he did. His only request was that the buyer not flip it, but keep it and enjoy it. In the other case, the seller got a new coach for less than what he expected to pay, so he cut his asking price accordingly. Good deals are available, but they may not be as common as we would like.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: MemoryRoads on February 20, 2012, 08:15:02 pm
I'm finding it interesting that 'words of wisdom' continue to come to me and others, suggesting the benefits of 'more space', ie: buy a 40! and no comments on "less is best".......... I've read of a number of folks downsizing but have not heard a comment here. So, OK, what gives? :)
I guess I'm asking why 36' owners are'nt as vocal as 40' owners. Are there more 40's built in this 97-01 vinage, hence more owners on this forum? Are 36's really less desirable as a motor home? (In boats we call this 5' itis. Every few years, you move up to a boat 5'bigger) I want to get around that. Sold the first car i bought when I was 16, 4 years ago. Bought my boat 21 yrs. ago....I tend to research and buy and hold. (that said, I hope I am not asking too many questions of those that don't)
Many of you 'know' and some have written......including those to my posting. Some of you have owned both but if you can take a few minutes and clear something up for us, you will add immeasurable savings to our search endeavor, and maybe to those of others. to explain a bit of my perspective: I was a NYC Firefighter and filled in as pumper rig driver in Brooklyn NY during the highest burn rate years of late 70/early 80s..........the ones books and movies have been written about. Driving mean't peddle to the floor. No matter what peddle, brake or fuel, you buried the peddle; you 'slammed' one or the other down. Drive wheels around corners were squealing/burning rubber/chirping/ up on medians, sidewalks etc........... However, I now ......................want to pull into a Mickey D's or a yard sale or flea market to keep our adventure going as fun. It's really easy with our 23.5 class C baby, but to move up certainly adds much in living space but in some ways I know it can take spontenaity from our travels. For those who are havin' fun in these now and have owned 'both', is there NO difference in mobility factors that you have found between 36 and 40'??? (And 'Yes' certainly we Love the rustic, remote locations, generations of folks have left for us in the most beautiful parts of America still left.) [ I'm not talking about the few extra minutes it might take backing into a campsite, but real usability, so please and thank you at the same time.] For the last year, i've been looking at every branch, every dip in the road(some huge) and every turn off we have done in shopping centers, Radio Shacks, Restaurants, etc........., thinking..................could I do this with a 36' or 40'? My mind has occasionally 'slapped me' saying don't do this with a 40! Am I wrong to think this...........come on drivers of FT 36's and 40's of the non-IFS models.......offer your thoughts. I'm not a guy who just wants to park in something; we are 'travelers'. I'm sure many others are and will read this great info you will offer. I cannot express how good it is to be able to 'ask' such questions to.... a 'group'. Again, thank you. I trust these are fair questions.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Tim Fiedler on February 20, 2012, 08:33:38 pm
I have owned both a 36 and the current 40
36 advantage - cheaper to buy for similar year/equipment, 1 mpg better if driven the same (hard in my case), since wheelbase is shorter will level on a spot that might not level in a 40 (total suspension adjustment is the same, but longer wheelbase in 40 allows 4' more grade change), accelerates better,
same - neither one turns like an IFS machine, driving is the same, (maybe a touch more rear overhang to think about, but adjusted in first two hours), braking, never was kept out of a campground due to length (even yellowstone had a spot for me in the park!)
40 Advantage - space inside - especially bath and living area, ride, space below
to Dave Head's point - figure out your budget, and "must have options" (aqua hot and retarder for me, most of the rest can be added - just factor into purchase price) - then look at all the 36, 38 and 40's that meet your budget and minimum equipment list - like a boat or airplane, usually better to buy something that has been used regularly and lovingly maintained (Like Moose, George Stolz's old coach, or Dave M.'s, or mine or many others in the group - if they were for sale.....) at a fair price.
Good luck finding your machine - you won't be unhappy to have a Foretravel.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: kb0zke on February 20, 2012, 08:50:56 pm
MemoryRoads, first of all a bit "Thank You" for your service as a firefighter. That's a job I could never do.
Since you have some experience driving a large, heavy truck in city traffic, you have a much better perspective than many of us do when we contemplate buying a MH. Your decision, ultimately, will be yours. You will find the right coach for you, just as we will eventually find the right one for us. That coach will be a compromise. A 40' coach has more room than does a 36'. The 36' will fit in more places than the 40' will. A slide adds room, but it also adds weight and complexity.
You are wise to consider where you go with a coach in mind. If a 40' won't fit in a particular scenario, ask yourself how often does that situation come up, and what could you do differently. Pulling into a fast food place may mean parking at the end of the parking lot and walking inside to order rather than driving up to the window. You may need to park down the street from the yard sale, rather than in the driveway. For some people, walking even that much is impossible. For others, that's no big deal. Only you can answer for yourself.
We're working on a "mission profile" for ourselves. True, retirement and the full-time RV life is still three years away, but we want to get it as close to right the first time as we can. Do we want a motor home and toad, or do we want a towable and pickup truck? How much boondocking will we do? Do we need to have our own washer and dryer, or should we use a laundromat? You get the idea, and can develop your own list of questions that you will need to answer. Having a good idea of what the ideal coach ought to look like before you start shopping should help you.
Once you find a coach that looks attractive to you, be sure to call on the experts here for advice. They are all really nice people and can help you avoid a costly mistake.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Paul Smith on February 20, 2012, 09:02:57 pm
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I'm finding it interesting that 'words of wisdom' continue to come to me and others, suggesting the benefits of 'more space', ie: buy a 40! and no comments on "less is best".......... I've read of a number of folks downsizing but have not heard a comment here. So, OK, what gives? :)
I guess I'm asking why 36' owners are'nt as vocal as 40' owners. Are there more 40's built in this 97-01 vinage, hence more owners on this forum? Are 36's really less desirable as a motor home?
A 36ft U295 Foretravel is a great RV. I would not say it is less desirable. It's just, feature-wise, a U320 is more desirable. In other words, in general, feature-wise, a 36ft U320 is more desirable than a 36ft U295.
As I mentioned earlier, we went from a 1997 36ft U295 to a 1999 40ft U320.(In between we had our second 27ft Lazy Daze.) There are 2 issues here. One is length. The other is features. The biggest question I have length-wise is that our U320 appears to have put more than 4 ft of real estate inside. But I have yet to be curious enough to get the tape measure out and see. Feature-wise, we have ceramic tile everywhere but the bedroom.
At first, the additional 4 ft seemed like a lot - driving-wise. Not any more. The other day I backed into a tight RV site in one swoop - so slick a neighbor commented on it ;o) And I don't find I get into more places where I have to unhook tow with our 40 footer than I did with our 36 footer.
But you are moving from a 23.5 ft Class C to a Foretravel DP. That's a BIG step, whether you get a 36 footer OR a 40 footer. Forget about driving into MacDonald's. Since we tow, I don't even try to get into RV lanes to refuel, 36ft or 40ft. I only refuel where truckers do. And have yet to get bad diesel.
However, it was a white knuckle drive on CA I-80/I-680 from Sacramento to Fremont after driving our 2003 27ft Lazy Daze ;o) My first drive of a DP!
Good luck in your quest. Don't hesitate to ask all the questions you need to.
best, paul
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: J. D. Stevens on February 20, 2012, 10:21:27 pm
We have a 36' U295 with no slides. It's relatively small DP with relatively simple systems. I use the term "relatively" because there are a LOT of systems, but they are less complex than I have seen on other units. We have been pleased with our coach in the two years we have owned it. We had one bad trip on which an oil seal failed, the refrigerator failed, and one furnace failed. None were "show stoppers," but cumulatively it was a short challenging trip. On many trips we'll have some annoying little issues, but it's great to dine on our own freshly prepared meals, sleep in our own bed, and have our own "water" facilities. With your experience with boats, you will be familiar with many systems that require some skill and attention for successful travels.
If we were going to spend months in the coach at a time, I would prefer a 40' unit. For our use 36' is good. We have not spent more than three weeks at a time in the coach. We found a significant difference in the 36' between towing and not towing. Without a towed vehicle, we could fit into a Cracker Barrel parking lot, and sometimes into a Perkins or other restaurant with a large lot. We could turn around in a residential cul-de-sac. With a vehicle in tow, we can fit into parking lots for Walmart, truck stops, and some big box stores. Restaurants are not very available while in the "big rig." That may be a blessing or a curse, depending on your attitude and how things are going on that day. I expect a 40' unit (with or without towed vehicle) would put one in the same "will it fit" class as a 36' with vehicle in tow.
My "target" coach was a 1999 U320 in 36' or 40'. I wanted Aqua-Hot, bus style bay doors, a quiet box on the generator, no slide, etc. The price would have been a real stretch. We were alerted on this list to the coach we bought. We called about it about two hours after it hit Craig's list. It was for sale six miles from our home and we bought it three days after it was listed. We bought the 1997 U295 with a Jeep Grand Cherokee attached for about half of the price of my "target" coach without a Jeep attached. I decided we would be pleased with the relatively simplicity of propane furnaces, mechanical engine, slightly louder generator, and a "beater" Jeep that was already in tow.
Read the specifications at Foretravel Specifications, Floor Plans, Photos & Brochures by Year (https://wiki.foreforums.com/doku.php?id=through_the_years:specs) , browse the archives of this forum, set up a search on Oodle, and continue to converse with the folk here. I've been pleasantly surprised at the fine coaches that find their way from one owner to another on this forum. You are likely to find something suitable for you.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Michael & Jackie on February 21, 2012, 12:06:56 am
To those several of you said looking for a FT, I may have a lead on a nice 2000 40 ft U320. The only reason I know about it is because while looking for one in that vintage I found this one soon after we bought. I can find out if it available. Maybe our class C/FT experience would help you. The responses on the forum already provide you pros/cons of many options. The only thing I can offer may be a lead on what appears to be a good one slide FT of this vintage. Send an email if want more info/help. Best of luck finding what you want. Mike
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Bob Mulder on February 21, 2012, 12:47:30 am
Memory Roads: FWIW. Just anecdote, not comparison or advocacy or advice. Hope it's some of what you are looking for.
We too defined ourselves as "travelers" when we went looking for our FT 6 years go, and when we bought ours 4 years ago. We had been traveling/visiting/camping in our class A motorhomes 150-180 nights per year for 6 years, and had learned how to be efficient in stocking and operating 29 and 32 footers. So our first target, once the appeal of having a FT became irresistible, was a 34 footer, the smallest in the FT line. We considered 34' to give us everything we needed and a little more, and nothing less.
Found 34 footers to be extremely scarce - went instead with a 36 with single slide. Found that we liked the extra square footage in the pass-through storage bay. Also found that we really liked how an extended slide positively transformed our sense of space when in camp, and how a retracted slide did not interfere with full cabin functionality when on the road.
For the past 17 months we have been fulltiming. We continue to be travelers, but are finding ourselves more often in extended stays also. In this application, we are understanding how longer rigs could help us meet new storage challenges in the switch to fulltiming, but we are learning how to recalculate needs and wants, and we are finding our 36' meets our needs for living comfortably.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Kent Speers on February 21, 2012, 09:30:17 am
We went from a Gold Wing and a two man mountain tent to a 36 DP when we bought our U225. That was quite a transition but took only a couple of trips to get comfortable with driving and parking it. The transition to a 6" wider, one foot taller and 4' longer U300 took only a couple of hours of driving to get comfortable. In two years we have found only one of our favorite camp sites where we cannot fit the 40 footer.
The biggest benefit to me is the ride and wind resistance. The longer wheel base on the 40' coach is much less susceptible to lateral movement caused by wind and big trucks passing. The difference is remarkable.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: kennie on February 21, 2012, 09:54:43 am
Michael and Jackie. Do you have any further info on the U320 that might be for sale.
Thanks Kennie
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Paul Smith on February 21, 2012, 09:55:26 am
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The biggest benefit to me is the ride and wind resistance. The longer wheel base on the 40' coach is much less susceptible to lateral movement caused by wind and big trucks passing. The difference is remarkable.
Good point. I hadn't before thot about that in our 40 footer. Altho I'd noticed our 40 footer behaved better laterally than our 36 footer.
Engine in a 320 is an issue, too. Our 1997 U295 had an 8.3. Our 1999 U320 has an M-11. With the M-11 in the mountains it's like:
Bridge to Engine Room, "More power"
Engine Room to Bridge, "Aye, aye, Sir"
No so in the 8.3
Bottom line: 36 or 40, if your budget allows it, try a U320. You'll like it.
best, paul
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Dave Head on February 21, 2012, 10:45:22 pm
With the banks kit on my 8.3 36 footer it was "more power?" HOO YEAH!
But I still like the 40 footer better. It's calmer.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Paul Smith on February 21, 2012, 10:49:57 pm
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With the banks kit on my 8.3 36 footer it was "more power?" HOO YEAH!
But I still like the 40 footer better. It's calmer.
Right. It's kinda like "HOO YEAH!" vs "Aye aye, Sir" ;o)
best, paul
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: bbeane on February 22, 2012, 06:10:26 am
As far as engine size is concerned 450 hp is better than 350. But in reality my ISC runs down the road just fine at 70 mph, except maybe the .5% of the time I'm running big mountains in WVA.
As to folks looking for "deals"on used coaches you see all kinds of good deals and everyone worries about NADA value. Well finding a good deal that has been sitting for a couple of years, and no history of what kind of care it has had, and nothing has been updated may not be such good deal. All those little things that don't work, need repaired or replaced, no factory manuals, all the remotes missing, start to add up very quickly. Finding a used coach from a private owner you can talk to that has taken care of it, and you can get in and go Rving can be well worth the higher price you pay for it, all the nice remodeling, repainting, and upgrading ain't free, it comes at a price.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Carol Savournin on February 22, 2012, 12:26:31 pm
As far as engine size is concerned 450 hp is better than 350. But in reality my ISC runs down the road just fine at 70 mph, except maybe the .5% of the time I'm running big mountains in WVA.
As to folks looking for "deals"on used coaches you see all kinds of good deals and everyone worries about NADA value. Well finding a good deal that has been sitting for a couple of years, and no history of what kind of care it has had, and nothing has been updated may not be such good deal. All those little things that don't work, need repaired or replaced, no factory manuals, all the remotes missing, start to add up very quickly. Finding a used coach from a private owner you can talk to that has taken care of it, and you can get in and go Rving can be well worth the higher price you pay for it, all the nice remodeling, repainting, and upgrading ain't free, it comes at a price.
You should be prepared to spend about $5000 on any coach you buy in the first year ... stuff you want to do to personalize it and get a "base line" and stuff that just happened. That said, the comment that buying a coach from a private owner who has taken care of it and that you can talk to can easily be worth another $20,000. I am speaking from experience.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Dwayne on February 22, 2012, 02:41:09 pm
My $.02: not sure which model or year of FT but, being financially challenged, the oldest with no slide (thus, complete monocoque construction), retarder, air bag suspension & diesel generator. If I ever move up to another coach...this would be it. Although the thought that over the years I have about the same amount of money in mine that Brett is asking for his makes me ill.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on February 22, 2012, 02:42:35 pm
I'm finding it interesting that 'words of wisdom' continue to come to me and others, suggesting the benefits of 'more space', ie: buy a 40! and no comments on "less is best".......... I've read of a number of folks downsizing but have not heard a comment here. So, OK, what gives? :)
I guess I'm asking why 36' owners are'nt as vocal as 40' owners. Are there more 40's built in this 97-01 vinage, hence more owners on this forum? Are 36's really less desirable as a motor home? (In boats we call this 5' itis. Every few years, you move up to a boat 5'bigger) I want to get around that. Sold the first car i bought when I was 16, 4 years ago. Bought my boat 21 yrs. ago....I tend to research and buy and hold. (that said, I hope I am not asking too many questions of those that don't)
Many of you 'know' and some have written......including those to my posting. Some of you have owned both but if you can take a few minutes and clear something up for us, you will add immeasurable savings to our search endeavor, and maybe to those of others. to explain a bit of my perspective: I was a NYC Firefighter and filled in as pumper rig driver in Brooklyn NY during the highest burn rate years of late 70/early 80s..........the ones books and movies have been written about. Driving mean't peddle to the floor. No matter what peddle, brake or fuel, you buried the peddle; you 'slammed' one or the other down. Drive wheels around corners were squealing/burning rubber/chirping/ up on medians, sidewalks etc........... However, I now ......................want to pull into a Mickey D's or a yard sale or flea market to keep our adventure going as fun. It's really easy with our 23.5 class C baby, but to move up certainly adds much in living space but in some ways I know it can take spontenaity from our travels. For those who are havin' fun in these now and have owned 'both', is there NO difference in mobility factors that you have found between 36 and 40'??? (And 'Yes' certainly we Love the rustic, remote locations, generations of folks have left for us in the most beautiful parts of America still left.) [ I'm not talking about the few extra minutes it might take backing into a campsite, but real usability, so please and thank you at the same time.] For the last year, i've been looking at every branch, every dip in the road(some huge) and every turn off we have done in shopping centers, Radio Shacks, Restaurants, etc........., thinking..................could I do this with a 36' or 40'? My mind has occasionally 'slapped me' saying don't do this with a 40! Am I wrong to think this...........come on drivers of FT 36's and 40's of the non-IFS models.......offer your thoughts. I'm not a guy who just wants to park in something; we are 'travelers'. I'm sure many others are and will read this great info you will offer. I cannot express how good it is to be able to 'ask' such questions to.... a 'group'. Again, thank you. I trust these are fair questions.
A vocal 36 foot owner:
Several career firefighters are Foretravel owners. I was engineer/driving instructor with Santa Barbara City FD. Yes, either throttle or brake pedal to the floor all the time with Anchor Locs (parking brake) applied 100 feet before we stopped a lot of the time. Sometimes with a lot of smoke and 6 long skid marks. Mostly all Detroit 2 cycles probably like the rigs you drove.
So now I drive a 93 U300/36 with almost the same Detroit 2 cycle. For the campgrounds in the west, 36 feet does the job nicely. Too many campsites that 40' just won't fit in plus many National or State Parks have a 36 foot limit. About half the time, I put our rig where I have no business being even 36 feet long. A lot like driving a engine (engine company) where you don't have to pay much attention to the length in city driving. 40 feet seems almost like a snorkel to me. Have to look twice on some right hand turns in congested city traffic. Transitions from paved road to the dirt side roads are easier the shorter you are. I have not scraped the bottom yet but have been close. Watched several Mexican bus drivers take their 35 footers off the highway and down sandy arroyos to the beach before I gave it a try. I just hold the suspension up with the button while making the turn off the highways and while weaving down the pot holed sandy roads and go slow.
For two people or even with a couple of others along, the interior works really well. I fill the bottom compartment but don't use even half the interior compartments.
Both sizes are great. Just depends what your are going to use them for.
Pierce
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: MemoryRoads on February 25, 2012, 03:00:35 pm
Thanks ALL! Just got to a friends house in Green Valley, south of Tucson, Az. so now have great access to internet/phone services. Had been out of touch since the 20th, up in State Park campgrounds. Have increased comfort level from advice and ideas offered by writers, so this will help us and I'm sure, others decide as we and they move forward.
Will continue to look generally at the 36-40', '97-'01 FT's with what appears to us, a reasonable asking price.
Will spend 5-6 days in Good Sam Pheonix rally coming up to better get the feel of all aspects of this endeavor, then may move west to S. Cal. before heading back to Fl. Hope to meet up with some of you during our next month.
ron and dorothy
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: John S on February 25, 2012, 03:47:32 pm
I have owned a 34 foot a 36 foot and a 42 foot. I could level the 34 footer anywhere the 36 foot almost anywhere including some huge inclines and the 42 footer is sometimes not perfectly level at times but not a big issue either. I have put on 300K miles over the three coaches and will say that the 42 foot handles much better on the road. IT is not only the length but the tag axle. I would not have believed it if I had not driven all my coaches in heavy winds. The 42 can run all day and the wind gusts have to be about 70 mph before i shut down. I could drive in it but then it is work. The 34 footer I had to stop at 70 mph gusts as it pushed it around about a half of a lane.
Now going places. I would get a 38 foot as the perfect length but I would not have any issue staying at 40 or 42 or even 45 foot. you get more room and more storage and you can get in almost anywhere. I can not park in some parks but then again they are not our style either. I have found most COE parks to be ok it is the older parks that are a problem. But in 12 years and almost every state I have not yet been shut out of an area due to not fitting in a park in the area. I may not be able to go in the local McDonalds but I could not do that in my 34 footer much either. You do back and fill a bit more and I have driven my 42 foot coach thru NYC area as well. Due to some poor planning I hit the GW bridge at 5 pm... talk about a mess.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: wolfe10 on February 25, 2012, 07:15:44 pm
Thanks ALL! Just got to a friends house in Green Valley, south of Tucson, Az. so now have great access to internet/phone services. Had been out of touch since the 20th, up in State Park campgrounds. Have increased comfort level from advice and ideas offered by writers, so this will help us and I'm sure, others decide as we and they move forward.
Will continue to look generally at the 36-40', '97-'01 FT's with what appears to us, a reasonable asking price.
Will spend 5-6 days in Good Sam Pheonix rally coming up to better get the feel of all aspects of this endeavor, then may move west to S. Cal. before heading back to Fl. Hope to meet up with some of you during our next month.
ron and dorothy
We are just north of you in S Tucson. We we can help, just let us know. Will be here another week, then will be tied up giving Maintenance Seminars to the FCOC Rally being held at Lazy Daze here in Tucson (old Beaudry).
Brett
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on February 25, 2012, 08:52:22 pm
Oh yes, there is no end to the points, all good, I would love to add me 2 cents worth and why I would prefer purchasing from ei9ther FOT or MOT as a general rule, Service, but the coach, with their warranty, stay a few days in their camp ground, learning all the many many little things you have not even thought of yet. Learning from actual staying in the coach is much better teacher than reading an opinion, when you feel comfy, take for a spin to a campground for a day or two, more experience with all the Little items, I am sure you will have many questions, so go back to FOT or MOT, get any repairs or answers you found during your test run. Now if you purchase from an individual, yes you might save some money, but you will be a slow learner trying to getup to speed, as they most likely will not like answering all your questions, maybe not able to answer. I feel a good relationship with FOT and or MOT is a very needed contact. Fully agree with the 36', I have the 2001 320, with the ISM 320, was the 450 hp, however being a gear head, had Cummins make it into the ISM 500 @ 1550 ft lb torque. along with the resonator, it is now avery responsive and happy puppy. For what it is worth, the M11, can not be set up to the 500 hp per Cummins info. Gotta say the M11 @ 450 hp and no slide is a winner for sure. Good luck Dave M
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Steve & Kathy B on February 26, 2012, 06:53:56 am
You should be prepared to spend about $5000 on any coach you buy in the first year ... stuff you want to do to personalize it and get a "base line" and stuff that just happened. That said, the comment that buying a coach from a private owner who has taken care of it and that you can talk to can easily be worth another $20,000. I am speaking from experience.
So true :) Mine is at a shop in FL getting about $7K worth of " I want that" mods done to it right now. A custom desk (we're supposed to be retired, but my online business has almost turned into a full time job), a SeeLevel installation ( SO tired of not knowing exactly how much water are in my tanks), a modified wet bay (delete the faucet - replace with a sprayer, add a black tank flush valve & make access to the actual valves easier for ME to get to in case one breaks), a TV & DVD player installed in the basement, a new dash radio, and a couple of other misc personal items the DW wanted. After this wish list is complete, it will be perfect for US.
On the "I'd like to do" list is: new flooring, maybe an electric awning, a residential fridge and MAYBE a new dome satellite TV system :)) Weeeee.
The coach I bought from George had EVERY maintenance record from 2000 through the day I bought it from both owners. Since 2000 it's had at least $60K worth of updating done to it, i.e. a custom paint job from Extreme Graphics ($21K), European headlights, new tires, new inverter, new seats, new flat screen TV's, a fire suppression system, new tank valves, rebuilt Aqua Hot... the list goes on and on. The historical maintenance records were incredible and I will continue the keeping of the records for the next buyer - although I don't ever see ourselves selling our coach unless we HAVE to due to health reasons. That information was very valuable to ME in my decision to purchase. I had no doubt that this RV had been well taken care of since 2000. I know that a $2,500 custom desk or a SeeLevel doesn't add actual $$ value if I ever sell the Moose, but it adds "sellability" to the equation. If someone needs a RV with a desk - it's already there. Kind of like looking for a home - if the house is nicely landscaped, has a new roof and an updated kitchen, that's just less things a buyer has to worry about doing themselves and makes the house easier to sell.
So as other have said - when buying, think of anything that may need to be done to your RV to make it YOURS after you buy it. It can add up REAL quick :o Happy hunting!
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Dave Head on February 26, 2012, 09:22:52 am
Good point! Jim Scudder, when asked by me why he was spending $25K for paint and new windows on a coach he KNEW he would sell in under 2 years said "Life's too short to drive ugly!"
Enjoy what you have, and have no regrets...
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Steve & Kathy B on February 26, 2012, 09:29:10 am
Good point! Jim Scudder, when asked by me why he was spending $25K for paint and new windows on a coach he KNEW he would sell in under 2 years said "Life's too short to drive ugly!"
Enjoy what you have, and have no regrets...
Yep! I'm not going to give it ALL to the kids. I had to work for it... let them work a little too. :D
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: kb0zke on February 26, 2012, 03:03:40 pm
When we get our full-time coach, I'm going to put a bumper sticker on it that says, "I'm SPENDING our children's inheritance."
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Carol Savournin on February 26, 2012, 04:00:44 pm
Our bumper sticker should say,"When we die, the last 3 checks will bounce."
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Chuck Pearson on February 26, 2012, 11:33:38 pm
"If there's anything left-we miscalculated."
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: wa_desert_rat on February 26, 2012, 11:43:50 pm
Our bumper sticker should say,"When we die, the last 3 checks will bounce."
LOL :D
Craig
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 03, 2012, 01:51:20 pm
What have I done? What have I done!!!!?
I listened to someone who said, "Show the wife the interior and let her decide on that and you decide on the systems, etc.".
Well, now she has seen several 42' DGFE's and guess what? She 'kinda likes the interior'. (Of course she says, "but look, you can have a desk!")
So OK, now we are looking for a 36, 40, or.....42'; 1998-2001 /Non-slide /U320 hopefully kept inside, good up to date equipment and fair price.
Flew to Fl. to look at a 42 Wednesday, from Az. but will head back tomorrow. So even though we are on the road, heading to Phoenix next, were online most days.
thanks, ron and dorothy...........and lady (our toy rat terrier) gosh, she'd get lost in a 42, right?
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Michelle on March 03, 2012, 02:09:11 pm
I listened to someone who said, "Show the wife the interior and let her decide on that and you decide on the systems, etc.".
Well, now she has seen several 42' DGFE's and guess what? She 'kinda likes the interior'. (Of course she says, "but look, you can have a desk!")
So OK, now we are looking for a 36, 40, or.....42'; 1998-2001 /Non-slide /U320 hopefully kept inside, good up to date equipment and fair price.
FOT just listed one ('99 42' DGFE non-slide) that I believe (if I read the "code" correctly) is a trade-in. If it is, that means you'd be dealing directly with the seller, not the consignment agent.
Look - not only a desk but a big TOOLBOX for you :))
Michelle
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: wolfe10 on March 03, 2012, 02:20:48 pm
Ron,
Lots of us "retired" sailors made the same decision-- after experiencing the quality and systems of a well built boat, we ended up in Foretravels.
BTW, most of your cruising was in a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 37'. We sailed it out of both Texas and St Pete (Municipal Marina). If you were in St Pete in the mid 1990's, you might remember "Bear Boat".
We are in Tucson at the moment-- will be here another week. Stop by and say hi on your way to Phoenix if you like.
Brett
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 03, 2012, 03:12:39 pm
Brett, Yes, were thinking alike, quality counts. We lived aboard at the St. pete municipal marina in 95-96 to see if my gal could handle the boating 'thing'. In a week she said, she really did not need to go back to the house-for anything! Life was GOOD! Will contact you upon return, probably Monday.thanks, ron
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Dave Head on March 03, 2012, 04:26:05 pm
I still think the DGFE is the roomiest non slide design, especially with the desk.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Benjie Zeller on March 03, 2012, 05:13:29 pm
The 42 you looked at in FL didn't happen to be this one was it? 1998 Foretravel 42 Foot 320 UniCoach (http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/rvs/2861005117.html)
Flew to Fl. to look at a 42 Wednesday, from Az. but will head back tomorrow. So even though we are on the road, heading to Phoenix next, were online most days.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 03, 2012, 09:01:51 pm
yes sir, it was that one. I do not want to ruffle any feathers or lead anyone wrong. To be fair, I traveled far and hard to look at it and after hours of inspection and reflection, I decided yes maybe, but at only a certain price that reflected the negatives I felt, but........... I walked from the transaction. Too much work to do on it for me to be interested without reasonable $ considerations. First impression from photos and inaccurate writeup as well as the 50' view were great and drove me to get a plane ticket,but then I looked close at systems and details and careful conversation. Owner and I were not seeing things thru the same looking glass. Contact me privately if my view is worthy of your ears but it's like any other MH out there that photos only show layout and details must be seen in person. Details matter and in a short view you will only see half of what needs attention. In the morning, driving hours to airport, then again after departing plane tomorrow driving till midnight, so I can reply on Monday. Goodnight.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on March 03, 2012, 10:18:38 pm
In the digital age with high resolution cameras and broadband, it's mandatory to let a seller know that you need close-up, detailed shots of everything and if they can't do that, either they are not that interested in selling it or have something to hide. This even goes for the title. Skype with a video camera can be useful, especially at a great distance.
Before we bought ours, we received photos of rigs in "great condition" but after more checking, found that their dog had chewed a hole in the sofa, etc. If much needs fixing and not disclosed upfront, it generally may mean that the seller can be in a precarious financial situation and not only can't afford to fix it but also have not done the oil changes, lube jobs, brake pad replacement, etc.
Takes a while to get up to speed on any new hobby/vehicle plus a while to learn to read between the lines, verbal or written, for the deceptions a seller may use.
Was in the aircraft, boat, auto business first as part time fun and later to keep the pantry stocked. Quickly found that I had to count fingers (sometimes twice) after shaking hands to survive.
Write it up to a learning experience and on to the next one.
Pierce
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 05, 2012, 12:23:01 pm
Very good advice and comments Pierce!
I will next time-follow your idea-of the 'requirement' for high quality digital photos or movie in one or several ongoing sets. It should not be difficult or questioned as unreasonable for anyone wishing to 'show' their coach, and you are correct, if they don't, then what does that mean. I could have saved time and $. Yes, I saw clear evidence of deception on this and some other coaches I have looked at, once able to see them up close. Sad, because that makes me question all else said by the owner or salesmen. Honesty can go far if utilized but .... can as in this case be a deal killer.
I had anticipated the possibility of a non-event on this trip, but had hopes. What I did learn was that I like the layout of the 42 and should consider it if and when the right coach/circumstances appear. I can be just as right or wrong on my guestimate of satisfaction whether I choose a 34,40 or 42. When the right one catches our attention and we can get thru the handshake with all fingers attached, we will be proud owners.
I have learned from viewing all these coaches and I'm not out there as a tire kicker, but as best I can, as an educated(in a basic way only-but getting up to speed)buyer. I continue to read much within your forum and others going back in time till late in the evening. but..... As said by someone, "If you think Education is expensive, thy Ignorance!"
So we continue smiling and with more confidence.
Stay well, keep smiling, ron and dorothy
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Chuck Pearson on March 05, 2012, 01:32:43 pm
It's out there somewhere though an educated shopper is going to have to do some lookin as you are. I was lucky enough to find just what I sought, a coach with body damage but pristine interior and robust systems. This enabled me to get into it for short money, taking a measure of guilt away regarding the number of toys I find myself owning. The repairs, which I've done myself as I enjoy this stuff, enabled me to update and personalize my coach.
I'll keep an eye peeled around Houston for you. Others report the 42, or other coach with tag, will be the most effort free to drive though at some cost for fuel and maintenance. Are you wanting a coach already updated or a solid one to have updated? It seems like most are either doing, or planning, various upgrades. Running a mental tally on cost, I noted one for sale in the classifieds that the asking price appears to be about what is invested in improvements.
Enjoy the hunt.
Chuck
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: J. D. Stevens on March 05, 2012, 09:45:00 pm
Ron,
The search function on this forum is one of your best tools for research. Pick your topic and you are likely to find experiences, recommendations, and sometimes some estimates of cost.
The best "hit list" of which I am aware are the compilations of items to check as part of the PDI (Pre-Delivery Inspection). Barry and Darlene Brideau's Personal Website (http://beamalarm.com) has the best compilation of specific items, part numbers, specifications, etc. Costs are not included because they vary by vendor, location, and time.
You asked under a different subject about the cost and timing of some repairs and replacements. I can say that a set of eight Koni FSD dampers installed a year ago at FOT was about $1,600. Each damper was about $160 and installation was around $40 each. I put them on at about 75,000 miles. They replaced OEM Bilsteins that were about 14 years old. I didn't notice much difference in ride or handling. Other people have noticed significant improvement in handling.
We recently replaced the cooling unit in what I think was the original refrigerator. Cost to repair was about $700. I did the work. Refrigerators seem to last from three to 15 years. Some folk have been pleased with residential style refrigerators that are significantly cheaper than absorption units.
I replaced the carpet in a previous coach with good quality Armstrong snap together flooring for about $1,000. I did the work. In the Foretravel, wife and I agree that we would rather have a professional remove all the furniture, toilet, moldings, etc., and replace the flooring. Cost estimate from a professional was $7,000+-
We had a 1997 37' DP of another brand from August, 2009, until April, 2010. We have had the 1997 U295 36' from April, 2010 until now. We spend $500-1000/month for repairs, maintenance, and updates. We travel about 9,000 to 12,000 miles per year.
Those are some numbers based on our experience. Some people save a lot of money by doing work themselves, or working with local vendors. We have hired most of the work and it was done in NAC by FOT, MOT, and Xtreme P&G.
We have propane furnaces. They require little maintenance and few repairs unless the daubers or other critters get into them. They are noisier and don't regulate as well as Aqua-Hot, but they are cheaper to maintain and repair.
Keep searching for information here. Create a search definition at Oodle that will feed leads to you. We found our coach because of a notification on this forum. We inspected it the next day after it showed up on Craig's List, and bought it within the week.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: bbeane on March 06, 2012, 06:01:37 am
Well with respect to buying "older coaches 10 or more years old" you just got to go look. I have used rv appraisel services in the past to look at used coaches, they are very reasonabley priced, provide detailed photos and condition reports and save a lot of time and money going to look. Asking people for piles of detailed photos, movies, and on and on gets to be a bit much (I had one person ask me to drive the coach 300 miles so a friend could look at it for him). There is no older coach that is going to be in perfect condition not even if it just came out of Xtream graphics, or F/T's remodel shop you just can't wipe off time. Then from a sellers standpoint after you provide all this information the buyers eather never return your emails or show up and pick your coach to little pieces, then offer you behind auction wholesale, then want you to put on 6 new tires all new batterys, a full service before they leave hum!
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 08, 2012, 12:50:27 am
chuck, JD and Barry..........wonderful responses! thank you from 'me' and I'd bet many, many more silent readers.
Your answers were well thought out/not alike/and carefully analyzing my original questions.
Top notch! ron
was offline due to road travel and a few fixes we had to do along the way that kept me driving/searching. Moving on from now Quartzite to LA to visit friends, then TX, Wy??? following leads as best I can.
Any other DGFE's 98-01's out there for sale, 40' or 42'? Wife likes the galley and desk thing.................
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Dan Stansel on March 08, 2012, 11:34:44 am
We have a 40 ft AGDS. This is an open floor plan but private potty room. We saw this plan and looked for it when we traded up. Good Luck Tks DAN
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Don & Tys on March 08, 2012, 12:26:18 pm
This 42' U320 popped up on Oodle the other day and it is at FOT. seems like a good value for a 42'... 1999 Foretravel 4200 U320, Nacogdoches TX - 102516649 - RVTraderonline.com (http://www.rvtrader.com/listing/FORETRAVEL-4200%20U320-102516649/1999-FORETRAVEL-4200-U320-102516649?ZMC=Oodle&BAC-Oodle=&);
chuck, JD and Barry..........wonderful responses! thank you from 'me' and I'd bet many, many more silent readers.
Your answers were well thought out/not alike/and carefully analyzing my original questions.
Top notch! ron
was offline due to road travel and a few fixes we had to do along the way that kept me driving/searching. Moving on from now Quartzite to LA to visit friends, then TX, Wy??? following leads as best I can.
Any other DGFE's 98-01's out there for sale, 40' or 42'? Wife likes the galley and desk thing.................
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Michelle on March 08, 2012, 12:43:51 pm
This 42' U320 popped up on Oodle the other day and it is at FOT. seems like a good value for a 42'
Don,
That's the one I'd posted about a few days ago - only took a day or so for "sale pending" to appear on the listing.
Michelle
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: MemoryRoads on June 30, 2012, 06:42:05 pm
I wish to Thank..........Seriously Thank! all members of this forum for all the imput they have offered.
We have, because of the incredible knowledge base available on this forum, been able to analyse and then choose our next home/ our future base.
Memory Roads (http://www.memoryroads.blogspot.com) is part of it, but certainly, we would not have been able to get to where we are now without the 'gift' of honesty from so many of you.
Forgive me please if I had asked strong questions or ?? I am human.
In the future, I will do what I have done in the past, to search out truth and to pass it on.
thanks to all of you that have tried to be a part of an honest base of information! ron
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: kb0zke on June 30, 2012, 08:08:30 pm
So, MemoryRoads, what have you decided on, or are you negotiating?
We've looked at various floorplans on paper, and have eliminated one or two from consideration, but we're not going to decide on our future home based only on a drawing. We've been known to "wash the dishes" in one coach after another on a lot as we try to get an idea about what will and will not work for us. We're also working on a list of things, mainly kitchen items, that will need to go with us. As we look at coaches we look for where those items will live.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Dave Cobb on June 30, 2012, 08:17:36 pm
He bought and took possession of a coach. Click under his name on his Memory Roads coach link. He tells the story there.
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Peter & Beth on June 30, 2012, 08:59:37 pm
Congratulation, Ron. Your new adventure begins with a fine looking coach! Peter
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: Michael & Jackie on July 02, 2012, 12:35:45 am
Well Ron, sorry late responding, been on road with only an iPhone. So a belated congratulations on finding what you wanted. You have worked hard to find it. You could help out if you would access in the ForeForums Files the document on the 1999-2001 FT Information Exchange. http://www.foreforums.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=2085 (http://www.foreforums.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=2085) In that I hope you find some things that will help you with your new coach. And I hope as you discover things you will add to those to the file list. The idea is that we help each other. I did not intend it be restricted to those year coaches, but from James Stallings I gather these are very similar coaches. I suspect the 1997-1998 fit into this category as well?
I learned I think from Tim, but maybe another, that the change from 2000 to 2001 moved the ceiling AC vents forward. Little things like that are interesting to me, maybe not others. I doubt it would change anyone's mind which to purchase, but it might help in considering various models.
Again, wishes for good times and travel mercies, Mike
Title: Re: Looking for a FT
Post by: John S on July 02, 2012, 07:34:17 am
Welcome to the 2001 slide club. I bought an 01 and completely gutted and remodeled. There are interesting factoids on an 01 that are different from later years. A great coach all in all.