I have noticed in recent threads that some of you are using Toyo tires, size 295X75RX22.5 in place of the RV size 275X80RX22.5. My tire retailer has found Toyo M-147 "Premium Steering Tires" in his catalog, but they are load range G. Those of you with Toyos -- are you running LR G's or did you find LR H's? I realize that with my U-280, when I am maxed out (ready for a 3 month trip) I am just shy of 28,000 pounds, that LR G's may be OK. However, I have been running LR H's on all 6 tires and would prefer to stay that way if possible. These Toyos would just be for the 4 rear duals, as I have a pair of 2010 XZA3's on the front steering tires.
I'd appreciate some feedback.
Thanks,
I haven't bought any yet, still trying to finish the bulkhead and related issues, but I have looked into Toyos because our Steer axle tires are about 7 years old while the rears are new in 2011. They are all Toyo 147's and are load range "G". As far as I can tell, only Toyo 154 is available in the 295/75-22.5 inch size in load range "H" (16 ply). According to the specs, they are about .30" larger in diameter Than Michelin XZA3+ evertread 275/80-22.5
Edit: Looking closer at the specs, the Toyos are rated for 6,610 lbs. at 120psi while the Michelins are rated for 7,160 lbs. at 120psi... not sure whether this has practical value, but it does seem to increase the safety margin some. Though our front axle is is rated for 12,000lbs. and I wonder if we would ever end up pushing that limit. Still, I suppose having tires rated for even higher loads potentially than the axle does give some comfort as the tires age...
I still haven't decided, though I am inclined to go with the Toyos to keep the tires all one size and brand.
Don
Don,
I have used G rated Toyo tires on my 1995 U320 and before that on my 1990 ORED Gran Villa for years, no problems. A G rated tire at 110 psi will carry 6158 pounds and a H rated tire at 110 psi will only carry 6158 pounds too. A G rated tire is done at 110 psi where a H rated tire can be aired up to 125 psi to carry over 7000 pounds. So a G rated tire will carry the same weight as a H rated tire till you exceed 110 psi.
Your coach weighs less than mine, especially on the drive axle, so G rated tires will be fine. Based on weight tables, 90 plus psi will carry my drive axle. I run 95 psi in my drive tires.
If you want H rated Toyos, get M154 steer tires.
On Monday in Sealy, TX, I put Hankook AL11 Long Haul Premium Steer tires 295/75R 22.5 G rated tires on my coach for $315.75 per tire down the highway because I always get paid for the tires being taken off. Six for $1894 is hard to beat.
Don;
I also run the Toyo M147 steer tires all around. I purchased and had them installed by Brown Brothers Discount Truck Tire Center in Sealy, TX in March 2010. They gave me a good price and credit for the old Michelin's.
A quick note, but I think my wheels have a stamped warning about max. pressure, and that was 105#.
Mine wheels are Alcoa wheels, on a 1993 U-225.
I see talk of higher tire pressures on other coach models and years, but you might check the stamped max. pressure label on your wheels.
When we purchased our Grand Villa last summer I installed six new Toyo tires. Balanced them with golf balls. $2000 for the set installed. Much less that a set of Michelins. I too bought two tires in Sealy, Texas for our SOB. Neat thing he will buy your take offs instead of charging you a disposal fee. We run 95# in the rear and 100# in the front. Cold pressure.
Jerry and Colleen
I hope I can ask this question without hijacking Don's thread!
You posted that you'd installed Toyos on your 1995 GV. I'm curious about your tire sizes, for I have a 94 U-240 GV. My coach had 9R-22.5's, and I upgraded to 255-80-255's on advice from this forum. I was unable to find anybody but Michelin making tires in sizes for my GV, and it appears that these sizes are not readily available.
So, did I just not look long enough, or does the '95 U-240 use a different size than does the '94 U-240?
Glen
Glen,
Toyo and others offer both the 9R22.5 and 265/75R22.5. As you mentioned, they do not offer a 255/80R22.5.
We have the same upgraded 255 Michelins (second set because of age) with zero issues.
Brett
As always, thanks for the info, Brett. Now that I've managed to partially hijack the thread I might as well finish the journy.
I got the Michelins, and although they were pretty spendy I figure I can forget it for the next 6 or 7 years. However, I now am wondering what happens if I ruin a tire just west of Timbucktu and need roadside service to bring me a replacement 255/80/22.5. The 9R and 255/80 sizes seem to be as abundant as hen's teeth, regardless of brand. Is the 265/75 both readly available and compatible enough that I could run it to get me home, or do I need to maybe consider carrying an unmounted spare with me?
I figure y'all have long ago figured out the options, so I appreciate your advice.
Glen
I am running LR G Toyo 147 in 295/75 R 22.5 all around. The best source I found in Northern CA was Les Schwab tires and out the door they were $2151.00. These are American made tires. The price reflects their buying the older Toyos from me for $35 each. With five years on them we have never had a tire issue. Loaded I run 95psi front and 85psi rear. This is slightly more than needed for my weight. Very satisfied.
Good evening, It's raining here in Albuquerque and we are all glad to see it. I have a question or two regarding Toyo tires.
When we purchased the 36' G.V. with a Oshkosh chassis in May of 2011. I took a gamble and drove it from San Diego to Albuquerque after spending a couple of hours going over it. It had
Michelins that were cracking on the side walls but had lots of tread left. The coach ran great and handled fine. We spent the next two months cleaning, servicing and replacing broken parts.
The tire store I trade with for my plumbing business deals in Toyo tires and I have them on my FL-70 Frightliner and never have had a Issue.
The price was right so I put them on the G.V.
(6) M120 2 9R 22.5 133/131L. Well on the first trip with the coach cleaned up, about 200 miles, It was alot diffrent handling then the trip home. I had a pretty good vibration around 60 mile an hour and floated around. Well that Monday I took it back to the tire store and the guys found 3 of the 6 tires would not re balance and replaced them. 4000 miles latter and playing with diffrent pressures, I don't think It handles as well as it did on that 1st trip with the old Michelins on it. After reading everyones threads should I have M120 for steer tires?
Thanks, Mitch Sayer