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Title: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: jrdrag6396 on August 02, 2012, 06:04:16 pm
Just got a runner on the 02 U270 on a trip a couple weeks ago-- stone hit drivers side at the base near gasket and took off north... 

It looks like the driver side (that was damaged) was replaced right before we bought it in 2006.  To avoid replacing both panels, the gasket was actually cut in the corners, separated then filled with sealer on replacement.  Is this a typical repair??  I'm guessing now that the whole gasket will require replacement now given sealer that was used and it was cut.  The (coach glass brand) replacement piece also did not fit well as the radius of the bend extended beyond the radius of the body by almost 1/4". 

I've contacted Guardian for some installers.  They seemed like the ones to go with...  Anything that I should be planning for??  Do I need a new gasket??  Will the pass side panel get reset also?  Never seen this done before so I'm curious.

thanks, Mike
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: El_Dorado on August 02, 2012, 06:36:39 pm
Funny you should bring this up right now. Originally my drivers side glass has shifted so I hired a recommended glass company to re-set the glass. When the glass was out is when I realized the bond from the cap to the dash has broken loose that is now fixed Fiberglass bonding failure (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=15885.0).... then when they were putting the glass back in they broke it...... OK so they order a new glass and 10 days later it came the wrong size.  OK, another glass was ordered and it came back the wrong size also.... well now for the third try and a month later we still cannot get the right size.  It's been a genuine circus.

In the whole scheme of things I have learned a bunch about this.  You will probably not need to replace the gasket. Make sure they bond the glass to the rubber and the rubber is also bonded (urethane) to the fiberglass cap.  Turns out mine was not bonded and that is the main reason it shifted about a 1/4-3/8"  like yours did. James at Foretravel was the one that told me to make sure they do this.  I am assuming your '02's glass is set in the cap like mine, but if it's not please just ignore my post.

Steve
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 02, 2012, 06:40:41 pm
Mike, I have had both sides replaced on my 2001, they did a very fine job about 2 years ago, no issues and theydid not replace the gasket on either side not the center gasket, they were a very professional  glass shop that did mobile service calls. Did mine at the Keystone RV shop in Pa.
The glass fit very correctly.
Think each about $1,030.00 total with the FT discount.
Good luck
Dave M
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: jrdrag6396 on August 02, 2012, 07:09:54 pm
Dave do you recall what brand the glass is?  I planned to go with Guardian.

The replacement done at the dealer before we got the coach was passable at best.  It got a fair amount of silicone fill on one side to deal with the misfit.  Since they were trying to sell it, they just got it close and I never noticed it until a few months after I bought it. 

A buddy of mine does a lot of coach glass work in southern Oregon and I'm trying to find a way to meet up with him, but I wanted to learn about it a little first.  Thanks for the replies...
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: Bill Willett on August 02, 2012, 07:33:40 pm
Maybe Gary Bouland will chime in on glass for a GV,he had lots of trouble with off brand glass,he fnally had glass shipped from FT and it fit like it should.
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: Steve & Ginny Hill on August 02, 2012, 11:12:01 pm
Had the passenger side glass replaced once, then both replaced a month later (don't ask). Duncan Systems did it using Guardian glass. Knock on wood, I've had no problems or leaks. Now I've probably jinxed myself.
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: John Haygarth on August 02, 2012, 11:55:09 pm
My drivers side replacement is a Guardian so looks like they are the one to use as in a yr I have had no problems
John H
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: Mitch Sayer on August 03, 2012, 12:09:23 am
John, for what it's worth, doing my own glass work I have found Coach Glass fits these older M.H 's a lot cleaner then guardian in replacement glass.

Thanks, Mitch Sayer
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: Caflashbob on August 03, 2012, 12:28:58 am
My 20 year FT mechanic mentioned coach glass in a conversation.  Arizona?
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 03, 2012, 06:43:57 am
Replacement glass, the VIN was needed to order from FOT, do not recall what brand name is on the glass, just know the next time I need glass, I will go back to Keystone RV and have their local glass shop do the job, It took 3 men to work the glass into position. No yelling, swearing, just pros doing their thing.  I am sure there are other ways of doing it, but I am happy with the end result.
Dave M
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: red tractor on August 03, 2012, 04:24:10 pm
I just had both windshields replaced on our 03 u320 at FOT and it did not take them very long to do it as I am sure they get plenty of practice. I don't know why on a u270 the gasket would have been cut, but if it was, I think you would need a new gasket
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: John S on August 03, 2012, 10:32:00 pm
I had my windshield replaced at MOT. Took two guys and a bunch of plastic wrap to prevent it from shattering and leaving glass in the gasket. It was really broken and it was flexing and admitting water while driving to Nac.
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on August 04, 2012, 12:51:44 pm
Quote
Just got a runner on the 02 U270 on a trip a couple weeks ago-- stone hit drivers side at the base near gasket and took off north... 

It looks like the driver side (that was damaged) was replaced right before we bought it in 2006.  To avoid replacing both panels, the gasket was actually cut in the corners, separated then filled with sealer on replacement.  Is this a typical repair??  I'm guessing now that the whole gasket will require replacement now given sealer that was used and it was cut.  The (coach glass brand) replacement piece also did not fit well as the radius of the bend extended beyond the radius of the body by almost 1/4". 

I've contacted Guardian for some installers.  They seemed like the ones to go with...  Anything that I should be planning for??  Do I need a new gasket??  Will the pass side panel get reset also?  Never seen this done before so I'm curious.

thanks, Mike
mike, Duncan sent glass but just looking at it it would not fit. Finally had Duncan order Guardian from FOT. Installed new gasket at same time, no problems after two minor adjustments to center glass.
Gary B
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: jrdrag6396 on August 05, 2012, 01:46:48 pm
thanks all--  I'm gonna have my buddy Nick Kroske from Kroske Glass in Bend, OR do the job with Coach Glass.  He's confident the coach glass earlier misfit was due a 'slam-bam' install by the dealer's contractor --he's had no issues with their product in dozens of different coaches and said that FTs are often easier to install due to well built frames around the window opening. 
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: mcrick on August 06, 2012, 03:24:02 am
Just so you know Guardian Glass is the OEM supplier to the factory, they bought Varacon glass co out several years ago,and have all the original molds.  We went on a the "Made in America " motorcade 2 years ago and toured the factory.  Got to see them make our windshields.  We own a glass buisness and have done many Foretravel installs.  We won't use any thing else!! Coach glass is made over seas, as is many others,Guardian is made in Ohio, USA!!!
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: bbeane on August 06, 2012, 05:45:51 am
Dave do you recall what brand the glass is?  I planned to go with Guardian.

The replacement done at the dealer before we got the coach was passable at best.  It got a fair amount of silicone fill on one side to deal with the misfit.  Since they were trying to sell it, they just got it close and I never noticed it until a few months after I bought it. 

A buddy of mine does a lot of coach glass work in southern Oregon and I'm trying to find a way to meet up with him, but I wanted to learn about it a little first.  Thanks for the replies...

FIW. Had to have mine replaced about a year ago (right side), Guardian did the work. 1st W/S was distorted, Installer returned with another Guardian it was worse than the one that was already in before they ever started, they finally got one from Coach Glass no problem so far. The install was not a problem just the glass was distorted  before they even installed it.
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: hotonthetrail on August 06, 2012, 08:38:16 am
M. Crick, maybe you could post in the commercial section just in case. jc
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: John Haygarth on August 06, 2012, 11:29:51 am
Looks like my comment of Aug 2 was correct as to fit etc and why Guardian is the one to use, if they have the moulds (original)
John H
Title: Re: Windshield glass replacement ?s
Post by: El_Dorado on August 06, 2012, 01:54:08 pm
My front glass issue has been resolved. Two wrong sized replacement from Duncan and one wrong size from Coach. They were all the right shapes but 3" to long. Coach/Duncan gave permission to the glass company (installers) to cut the extra 3" off.  Went in perfect and I am a happy camper.... now on to other projects........