Title: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Larry Rubin on February 02, 2013, 01:18:59 pm
Post by: Larry Rubin on February 02, 2013, 01:18:59 pm
Its as straight forward a job to install the Aero resonatpr as others have said. Based on pics of other instalations, I figured I needed one 90 and one 45 degree elbow pipe, a 4 inch to 5 inch adapter and associated straps and hangers. A neighbor brought his sawsall and air driver and about 6 hours later something else to brag about. Anybody want new tomato planter?
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Tim Fiedler on February 02, 2013, 03:14:58 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on February 02, 2013, 03:14:58 pm
is that a 5050 or a 5050XL?
comments re noise/sound difference?
comments re noise/sound difference?
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Dave Katsuki on February 02, 2013, 06:48:03 pm
Post by: Dave Katsuki on February 02, 2013, 06:48:03 pm
Nice Job! Which Aero model is it?
Also - recommend that you wrap the resonator under the AC condenser to reduce heat load. Your AC will thank you.
Also - recommend that you wrap the resonator under the AC condenser to reduce heat load. Your AC will thank you.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Larry Rubin on February 03, 2013, 08:53:06 am
Post by: Larry Rubin on February 03, 2013, 08:53:06 am
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Nice Job! Which Aero model is it?
Also - recommend that you wrap the resonator under the AC condenser to reduce heat load. Your AC will thank you.
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comments re noise/sound difference?
BTW: after getting the Aero on line at OurDealsRock.net for $118.95 - no shipping cost, no tax to me in Florida, I got the pipes and fittings at Fleet Products in Lakeland. The counter folks there are really easy to work with and made sure I had all the right pieces to do the design drawing that I showed them. Only problem was they didn't have the 4 inch to 5 inch adapter so I had to go to the NAPA distribution store in Orlando and brave the 85 MPH crazies on I-4.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: red tractor on February 03, 2013, 09:58:20 pm
Post by: red tractor on February 03, 2013, 09:58:20 pm
We are at the Brooksville fmca pre rally and Larry was nice enough to start it up so we could hear it and at idle not much difference in sound.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Larry Rubin on February 09, 2013, 09:47:56 pm
Post by: Larry Rubin on February 09, 2013, 09:47:56 pm
As others have noticed, the sound is lower in tone, not really louder but I do hear it when accelerating and have my driver window open.
First result of fuel mileage is just a slight increase: .3 miles / gal as measured by the driver information center on my 2004. This is after one trip of 80 miles which included 60 miles of highway driving at about 60 mph and 20 miles of 45 mph driving with about 10 stops for lights - so not a very significant determination.
For those who haven't seen it, the driver information center display provides a very limited amount of extra information similar to the more extensive shown by Silverleaf products. One of the displays is instantaneous fuel consumption and another is trip fuel consumption.
First result of fuel mileage is just a slight increase: .3 miles / gal as measured by the driver information center on my 2004. This is after one trip of 80 miles which included 60 miles of highway driving at about 60 mph and 20 miles of 45 mph driving with about 10 stops for lights - so not a very significant determination.
For those who haven't seen it, the driver information center display provides a very limited amount of extra information similar to the more extensive shown by Silverleaf products. One of the displays is instantaneous fuel consumption and another is trip fuel consumption.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: MemoryRoads on February 10, 2013, 07:13:42 pm
Post by: MemoryRoads on February 10, 2013, 07:13:42 pm
Thanks Larry!
I'm holding on to this info right now just in case I 'need' to replace the original muffler setup. The resonator, or muffler/resonator(which one is it?-do you have a part #?) is the way to go, However, If and when I decide to do this modification, I'd also like to make that dang side panel on my 2001 "Lift" on a hinge as your later model FT does.
Are there any owners that have made this mod to their coach or is there any info on how to do it?
thanks in advance.
I'm holding on to this info right now just in case I 'need' to replace the original muffler setup. The resonator, or muffler/resonator(which one is it?-do you have a part #?) is the way to go, However, If and when I decide to do this modification, I'd also like to make that dang side panel on my 2001 "Lift" on a hinge as your later model FT does.
Are there any owners that have made this mod to their coach or is there any info on how to do it?
thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Michelle on February 10, 2013, 07:17:04 pm
Post by: Michelle on February 10, 2013, 07:17:04 pm
Are there any owners that have made this mod to their coach or is there any info on how to do it?
There's a topic with 9 pages of info here Resonator and muffler replacement (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=15111.0)
Searching the forum for resonator will turn up about 3 pages of topics
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Larry Rubin on February 11, 2013, 08:33:51 pm
Post by: Larry Rubin on February 11, 2013, 08:33:51 pm
I added the heat insulation wrap today (bought online from Summit Racing). I got 100' of 2 inch wide wrap which was enough to cover the resonator and about a foot either side of it. The fun part was figuring out how to keep the wrap tight on the curved ends of the resonator. The polished stainless steel is really slippery!
For those interested, the technique I used was to loop the wrap once at the curved part and then about 4 inches back from the curve so that it doesn't bunch up and then back to the curved part - repeat until the curve is covered --- this takes a lot of wrap and builds up several layers.
The wrap was installed with 50% overlap as recommended by Summit but as described heavier at the curved ends. The heat is reduced somewhat at the areas of the 50% overlap but significantly so at the heavier parts. I might get another 100' to really cover it - the resonator is directly below the dash A/C condenser.
The wrap I used doesn't require to be sprayed so it needs to be held with some short of ties. The narrow stainless steel ties that Summit offers work but I also used some wider stainless worm driven clamps I had which were much easier to tighten.
For those interested, the technique I used was to loop the wrap once at the curved part and then about 4 inches back from the curve so that it doesn't bunch up and then back to the curved part - repeat until the curve is covered --- this takes a lot of wrap and builds up several layers.
The wrap was installed with 50% overlap as recommended by Summit but as described heavier at the curved ends. The heat is reduced somewhat at the areas of the 50% overlap but significantly so at the heavier parts. I might get another 100' to really cover it - the resonator is directly below the dash A/C condenser.
The wrap I used doesn't require to be sprayed so it needs to be held with some short of ties. The narrow stainless steel ties that Summit offers work but I also used some wider stainless worm driven clamps I had which were much easier to tighten.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Barry Beam on February 11, 2013, 08:42:40 pm
Post by: Barry Beam on February 11, 2013, 08:42:40 pm
I added the heat insulation wrap today (bought online from Summit Racing). I got 100' of 2 inch wide wrap which was enough to cover the resonator and about a foot either side of it. The fun part was figuring out how to keep the wrap tight on the curved ends of the resonator. The polished stainless steel is really slippery!
Larry,
Do you have the webpage or the product number? How much was it. Something I wanted to do for awhile.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Larry Rubin on February 11, 2013, 08:50:10 pm
Post by: Larry Rubin on February 11, 2013, 08:50:10 pm
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Larry,
Do you have the webpage or the product number? How much was it. Something I wanted to do for awhile.
The part number is DEI-010130.
Search Results for dei-010130 - SummitRacing.com (http://www.summitracing.com/search?keyword=dei-010130&dds=1)
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Barry Beam on February 11, 2013, 08:58:09 pm
Post by: Barry Beam on February 11, 2013, 08:58:09 pm
The part number is DEI-010130.
Search Results for dei-010130 - SummitRacing.com (http://www.summitracing.com/search?keyword=dei-010130&dds=1)
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Larry Rubin on February 11, 2013, 09:08:11 pm
Post by: Larry Rubin on February 11, 2013, 09:08:11 pm
Picture of resonator with "mummy" wrap
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Barry Beam on February 11, 2013, 09:14:09 pm
Post by: Barry Beam on February 11, 2013, 09:14:09 pm
Picture of resonator with "mummy" wrap
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John Haygarth on February 11, 2013, 10:54:57 pm
Post by: John Haygarth on February 11, 2013, 10:54:57 pm
Hey Dave M and Neal P, isn't it amazing how long it takes for these guys to believe us when we say "do it you will like it" and benefit too. he he he.
John h
John h
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Dave Katsuki on February 12, 2013, 12:29:00 am
Post by: Dave Katsuki on February 12, 2013, 12:29:00 am
I found the trick was to wet it thoroughly before wrapping, and use hose clamps to secure it. Made it much easier.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Tom Lang on February 12, 2013, 01:04:06 am
Post by: Tom Lang on February 12, 2013, 01:04:06 am
Would I use a four inch or a five inch resonator on my 2003 U295 with ISL400? I believe the muffler is four inches in and the tailpipe is five inches.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John Haygarth on February 12, 2013, 11:01:24 am
Post by: John Haygarth on February 12, 2013, 11:01:24 am
on mine I did 4" flex from Turbo then 4/5" coupling to straight then 5" res' out.
John H
John H
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: hcharlson on February 12, 2013, 08:31:31 pm
Post by: hcharlson on February 12, 2013, 08:31:31 pm
Has anyone installed an Aero resonator on a U280, and maybe has pictures? I'd be interesed to see that.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Roland Begin on February 13, 2013, 12:04:26 pm
Post by: Roland Begin on February 13, 2013, 12:04:26 pm
Has anyone installed an Aero resonator on a U280, and maybe has pictures? I'd be interesed to see that.
PO installed what looks like a straight pipe on my U280. I have the Cummins 300HP and it doesn't sound overly loud. Not a very neat job of installation but I will tale pics next time I'm under there.
Roland
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: hcharlson on February 13, 2013, 07:39:27 pm
Post by: hcharlson on February 13, 2013, 07:39:27 pm
Thanks, that's something I'd like to do to mine soon.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Felix and Gail on March 19, 2013, 08:06:23 pm
Post by: Felix and Gail on March 19, 2013, 08:06:23 pm
Just had resonator installed . On arrival at my destination in northern Az. noticed tail pipe had come off muffler from corrosion at the clamp. I did temporary repairs with sheet metal, aluminum tape and hose clamps. I did not know where to have repairs so called MOT and they agreed to do resonator on my way home. I requested 5050 XL resonator and on my arrival they had all the necessary parts. Installation took four hours. Keith Reish did an excellant job and parts price were very reasonable. He fabricated a heat shield out of sheet metal instead of a wrap. Very happy with the results. Will know more on my way home tomorrow.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on March 19, 2013, 08:53:14 pm
Post by: John S on March 19, 2013, 08:53:14 pm
You will have a smile on your face...
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: J. D. Stevens on March 19, 2013, 10:36:16 pm
Post by: J. D. Stevens on March 19, 2013, 10:36:16 pm
About a year ago I asked whether FOT would replace my muffler with a resonator. Answer was, "No." When I was at FOT several weeks ago, I saw a resonator installation that they had just completed. It appears that the current answer might be, "Yes."
Seems like NAC is now another location for the "resonator upgrade."
Seems like NAC is now another location for the "resonator upgrade."
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Michelle on March 19, 2013, 10:49:14 pm
Post by: Michelle on March 19, 2013, 10:49:14 pm
Seems like NAC is now another location for the "resonator upgrade."
Steve just joked that a Foreforums legacy will be the sound of resonators growwwwllllling around Nac..... (we did show ours to Jack Bradshaw last fall and he had some great questions)
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on March 20, 2013, 05:36:42 pm
Post by: John S on March 20, 2013, 05:36:42 pm
That is funny. What questions did he ask?
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Peter & Beth on March 20, 2013, 05:50:43 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on March 20, 2013, 05:50:43 pm
I know that when it comes time to replace the muffler in the coach that I would likely go with a resonator. But, I thought I read in a previous post that the Cummins 8.3 would not benefit from the resonator install. Am I recalling this fact accurately?
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 20, 2013, 07:03:00 pm
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 20, 2013, 07:03:00 pm
Wonderful to hear that FOT might be now thinking to do the resonator instal.
-How long does the OEM Muffler last normally? Mileage or years or no clue?
-Are signs of deterioration at welds?
-Total cost of install/ parts and labor at FOT or home brew?
I believe in doing preventative work but choosing my priorities based on info I'm learning from knowledgeable input....so I'm at the right place :)
-How long does the OEM Muffler last normally? Mileage or years or no clue?
-Are signs of deterioration at welds?
-Total cost of install/ parts and labor at FOT or home brew?
I believe in doing preventative work but choosing my priorities based on info I'm learning from knowledgeable input....so I'm at the right place :)
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on March 20, 2013, 07:07:44 pm
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on March 20, 2013, 07:07:44 pm
I know that when it comes time to replace the muffler in the coach that I would likely go with a resonator. But, I thought I read in a previous post that the Cummisn 8.3 would not benefit from the resonator install. Am I recalling this fact accurately?
Really, Peter?
Done correctly on the 8.3, 325 Cummins:
· Increased longevity of system by getting rid of dissimilar materials
· Faster Turbo spool up
· Higher boost pressure curve
· Lower exhaust temperature curve
· Less engine compartment heat radiation
· Increased access room on street side of engine
· End Cap no longer "beaten up" by exhaust tailpipe
· Reduced weight of system
· Increased coach performance ("seat of the pants" guesstimate)
· Maybe a little bit of mileage improvement, If you keep 'yer' foot out of it.
· A whole world of improvement in exhaust note and tone (healthy, mellow, lower note and no more wheezing sound)
Improved Quality: Somebody said, "Quality makes the heart soar, long after price is forgotten". Don't remember who...........
Who said no improvement?
Give me a few minutes and I'll come up with more!
Neal
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Barry Beam on March 20, 2013, 07:14:06 pm
Post by: Barry Beam on March 20, 2013, 07:14:06 pm
Wonderful to hear that FOT might be now thinking to do the resonator instal.
-Total cost of install/ parts and labor at FOT or home brew?
I believe in doing preventative work but choosing my priorities based on info I'm learning from knowledgeable input....so I'm at the right place :)
I had my old muffler removed and replaced with an Aero AT5050XL 5 inch resonator on my Cummins M11 ISM 450. It opened up that space to finally give me access to my engine Batteries.
I decided this job was better left to someone else who would have the correct pipe and fittings. After deciding the trouble it would be for me to find the exact parts needed to replace the muffler. It is easily doable on your own.
I found the Aero AT5050XL on Ebay for $103.00 and took it to Freightliner in Ontario CA
They charged $703 Parts and Labor. Total cost for Replacement $806.00
The parts for my install is
- 10 inches of 5 inch stainless flex
-connected to a 90 degree 5 inch elbow
-connected to a 45 degree 5 inch elbow
-connected to a Aero 5050XL Resonator
-connected to a 5 inch chrome exhaust tip
-several new clamps and a couple of new hangers, which was used to reach the bracket that held the old muffler.
Replacing the Muffler with a Resonator (http://www.beamalarm.com/Documents/replacing_the_muffler_with_a_resonator.html)
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on March 20, 2013, 07:45:32 pm
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on March 20, 2013, 07:45:32 pm
-How long does the OEM Muffler last normally? Mileage or years or no clue?
-Are signs of deterioration at welds?
-Total cost of install/ parts and labor at FOT or home brew?
OEM life will vary highly depending on corrosion elements encountered and use of the coach (Salts, Chlorides, Road residue (dust) from these, Water, Dissimilar materials used in fit up, heat generated in use under wet conditions, etc.,etc.)
My muffler welds were fine at 12 years, 147K mi. but the system clamps and tailpipe had been replaced multiple times (dissimilar materials subjected to high heat, corrosive contaminants and water)
The OEM muffler had a lot of soot packed into it. We cut it open, knocked the soot out and weighed it. The weight is in the slide show.
The total costs are also in the forum slide show, including FOT and NE local quotes.
http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=media;sa=album;in=210 (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=media;sa=album;in=210)
Addmittedly an 8.3 vs. M-11, but same ballpark based on Barry's notes
Mine is a little higher overall because I used 100% 304SS components, which I still feel very strongly about. That is the key to trouble free longevity, so why not do it correctly while you have the easy opportunity.
Neal
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Peter & Beth on March 20, 2013, 08:38:12 pm
Post by: Peter & Beth on March 20, 2013, 08:38:12 pm
Really, Peter?
Done correctly on the 8.3, 325 Cummins:
· Increased longevity of system by getting rid of dissimilar materials
· Faster Turbo spool up
· Higher boost pressure curve
· Lower exhaust temperature curve
· Less engine compartment heat radiation
· Increased access room on street side of engine
· End Cap no longer "beaten up" by exhaust tailpipe
· Reduced weight of system
· Increased coach performance ("seat of the pants" guesstimate)
· Maybe a little bit of mileage improvement, If you keep 'yer' foot out of it.
· A whole world of improvement in exhaust note and tone (healthy, mellow, lower note and no more wheezing sound)
Improved Quality: Somebody said, "Quality makes the heart soar, long after price is forgotten". Don't remember who...........
Who said no improvement?
Give me a few minutes and I'll come up with more!
Neal
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John Haygarth on March 20, 2013, 10:59:52 pm
Post by: John Haygarth on March 20, 2013, 10:59:52 pm
No brainer for me when I did iton our ISC. Heat loss was the first big thing we noticed, bed was now cold instead of hot (got hotter later!!!!)
Better performance and less cost than buying new muffler. Sounds nice. and temperature way less at manifold. I do not know about boost pressure gain as I had just repaired the CAC and that made a big difference and I have the Banks Stinger so my top end is 34lbs. Leaves all in my rear view mirror.
John H
Better performance and less cost than buying new muffler. Sounds nice. and temperature way less at manifold. I do not know about boost pressure gain as I had just repaired the CAC and that made a big difference and I have the Banks Stinger so my top end is 34lbs. Leaves all in my rear view mirror.
John H
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 21, 2013, 09:23:42 am
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 21, 2013, 09:23:42 am
Thanks for the details gentlemen! Impressive write-up and photos Neal. When the time comes, I'll have to have the work done, but now i know how the project 'should' completed and how to judge the quality of engineering considerations prior to choosing an installer. Ok, gonna put this modification way up on my list!
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on March 21, 2013, 10:12:05 am
Post by: John S on March 21, 2013, 10:12:05 am
I would put it near the top. Wait, I did put it there. I know FT did not like it when Dave started this but it us a great upgrade.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on March 21, 2013, 05:50:16 pm
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on March 21, 2013, 05:50:16 pm
I would put it near the top. Wait, I did put it there. I know FT did not like it when Dave started this but it us a great upgrade.
It's interesting how Urban Legends get started and perpetuated.
Now it doesn't matter a "P-- Hole in the snow" who started what or when, but the legend that Dave M "started" this (resonator upgrade), is a tad incorrect. He has certainly been the most vocal Champion, after he made the change, and that is to be commended, as I will get to in a bit.
But, based on earlier FT owners having made the changeover in the late 2008/early 2009 timeframe, Gary Karnes, Wayne Macauley and I were all looking for input on muffler to resonator changeovers in the early to mid 2010 timeframe. We got mixed feedback, including some negative Forum feedback, regarding the change and whether or not it would be worthwhile. But we all went ahead on our own anyway, each for our own reasons.
I did my research, including talking to FOT, and started accumulating parts in November of 2008. Cummins was OK with it but FOT wanted no part of it. I ended up actually making my changeover in September of 2010 and have promoted making the change ever since.
Dave M made his changeover 8 or 9 months later associated with his ISM500 upgrade in the late April time frame of 2011
But, Gary Karnes and Wayne Macauley were done before either of us and several others were done before them. In the early days, things would have moved forward with much greater confidence if we'd had a Champion like Dave M, before taking the leap of faith that we were correct.
FWIW (About 1 P-- Hole in the snowbank),
Neal
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: 96u270 on March 21, 2013, 08:31:20 pm
Post by: 96u270 on March 21, 2013, 08:31:20 pm
OK i can say junking the factory muff can add more pony's for the 8.3..
I took mine to a shop and had them cut and straight pipe.. Out the parking lot the power was in your face noticeable and it if was not for the extreme turbo noise I would of left it that way. After a 1200 mile trip up north I started to ""Get the look"" From people driving next to my exhaust pipe "" EAR PLUGS""" so I took it back and had a glasspack installed.
Even after the glasspack installation the extra power is still there...BTW once you drop the can your EGT's will fall=a cooler running Cummins=more Power...Can u Tell I love my 8.3??And yes the fuel plate is not stock ^.^d
I took mine to a shop and had them cut and straight pipe.. Out the parking lot the power was in your face noticeable and it if was not for the extreme turbo noise I would of left it that way. After a 1200 mile trip up north I started to ""Get the look"" From people driving next to my exhaust pipe "" EAR PLUGS""" so I took it back and had a glasspack installed.
Even after the glasspack installation the extra power is still there...BTW once you drop the can your EGT's will fall=a cooler running Cummins=more Power...Can u Tell I love my 8.3??And yes the fuel plate is not stock ^.^d
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Barry & Cindy on March 22, 2013, 01:11:10 am
Post by: Barry & Cindy on March 22, 2013, 01:11:10 am
I like the (no-glass pack) Aero muffler (about $100) instead of a glass pack muffler. Aero brand is what many of us have installed. All resonator mufflers are not the same.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 31, 2013, 08:15:10 pm
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 31, 2013, 08:15:10 pm
Sleep has evaded me, thinking of all the info mentioned regarding some of these topics.
John S. You are to blame! :D , no,.... really, thanks! Much better to be in the lead on a potential problem, than on the side of the road dealing with it?".
Bought the Resonator, and Summit wrap- 200' is on the way.
Question now is, and I have only found a bit of info on this within this site..
"Is it recommended to Also.. add a turbo blanket and from which manufacturer?" I have the M11 engine/2001
I've checked online for Cummins, Turbos, wraps, blankets etc. but not finding much.
Keep in mind that I'm only 'fair' at online searches, so... Is there a thread here I should be checking out or is it "Also" possible that a Turbo Blanket/Exhaust manifold Blanket, etc.etc. is really not worth the effort/time/$ ????
thanks, ron
John S. You are to blame! :D , no,.... really, thanks! Much better to be in the lead on a potential problem, than on the side of the road dealing with it?".
Bought the Resonator, and Summit wrap- 200' is on the way.
Question now is, and I have only found a bit of info on this within this site..
"Is it recommended to Also.. add a turbo blanket and from which manufacturer?" I have the M11 engine/2001
I've checked online for Cummins, Turbos, wraps, blankets etc. but not finding much.
Keep in mind that I'm only 'fair' at online searches, so... Is there a thread here I should be checking out or is it "Also" possible that a Turbo Blanket/Exhaust manifold Blanket, etc.etc. is really not worth the effort/time/$ ????
thanks, ron
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on March 31, 2013, 08:16:33 pm
Post by: John S on March 31, 2013, 08:16:33 pm
Glad to be of assistance.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 31, 2013, 08:19:13 pm
Post by: MemoryRoads on March 31, 2013, 08:19:13 pm
Dang! that's 1.4 seconds John!!
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: JohnFitz on March 31, 2013, 10:49:58 pm
Post by: JohnFitz on March 31, 2013, 10:49:58 pm
Turbo Blanket?
Hmm... I don't think I've heard of anyone putting one on an M11 engine. Would help efficiency in theory but doubt you would notice. Would help reduce under-bed temperatures but again don't know if you would notice. Would significantly minimize possible fire hazard of something contacting hot turbo but I don't think very many people worry about it and an extinguishing system would be more effective and less cost.
I installed one on my 6V92 that has a rear radiator to help with cooling: Engine Compartment insulation (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=11956.msg112717#msg112717)
Purchased from Advanced Thermal Products (http://www.atpwrap.com/home.html) in 2004 for about $750
Hmm... I don't think I've heard of anyone putting one on an M11 engine. Would help efficiency in theory but doubt you would notice. Would help reduce under-bed temperatures but again don't know if you would notice. Would significantly minimize possible fire hazard of something contacting hot turbo but I don't think very many people worry about it and an extinguishing system would be more effective and less cost.
I installed one on my 6V92 that has a rear radiator to help with cooling: Engine Compartment insulation (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=11956.msg112717#msg112717)
Purchased from Advanced Thermal Products (http://www.atpwrap.com/home.html) in 2004 for about $750
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on April 01, 2013, 07:45:49 am
Post by: John S on April 01, 2013, 07:45:49 am
I have had the same effect of much lower temps in the batter compartment. Oh and Ron, it is not always that fast. I was off work and reading that thread when I saw it pop up.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on April 01, 2013, 10:05:41 am
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on April 01, 2013, 10:05:41 am
John F
Not everyone can detect a change, some can detect a 50 hp increase and some could not detect a 300 hp increase. :o
Not everyone can detect a change, some can detect a 50 hp increase and some could not detect a 300 hp increase. :o
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 01, 2013, 05:16:31 pm
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 01, 2013, 05:16:31 pm
Thanks gentlemen! I'm guessing here, from these responses that no one has gone as far as installing a blanket on the turbo or manifold on the M11 engine. Also that if someone did, then the effort will produce cooler engine/battery and bed space temps...and a bit of extra power.
No negatives though and that was my real concern.(my diesel experience is limited to naturally aspirated/small diesels common in older, cruising sailboats and not turbo engines...) I'll check out prices and availability, but for now will just do the resonator project and the wrapping of it. Further wraps/blankets can be another project down the road.
Again, thanks for all responses.
No negatives though and that was my real concern.(my diesel experience is limited to naturally aspirated/small diesels common in older, cruising sailboats and not turbo engines...) I'll check out prices and availability, but for now will just do the resonator project and the wrapping of it. Further wraps/blankets can be another project down the road.
Again, thanks for all responses.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Barry Beam on April 01, 2013, 06:07:28 pm
Post by: Barry Beam on April 01, 2013, 06:07:28 pm
Thanks gentlemen! I'm guessing here, from these responses that no one has gone as far as installing a blanket on the turbo or manifold on the M11 engine. Also that if someone did, then the effort will produce cooler engine/battery and bed space temps...and a bit of extra power.
I don't know if it was that or in combination with the Resonator install that now our bed is much cooler after a long drive. I am one of the ones that can not tell if it has more HP.
But I can say that my mpg has not improved and in fact has decreased since the resonator install. I have a separate trip odometer that was set after the install to track it. Go figure. :o
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on April 01, 2013, 06:21:57 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on April 01, 2013, 06:21:57 pm
Barry, your remarks about the fuel burn being more than origional would be expected by a driver who just drives, not paying any attention to the additional speed.
Great example: A MD with a ex Greyhound 6-71DDC, the engine was so far out of tune, he commented how he would get to the side of the road when a truck came up on him. After tuning the engine to the correct specs, he is out passing trucks, a new experience for him. His only comment was how much more fuel it burned,, GO FIGURE indeed :o :o
Ya just gotta laugh at some bright bulbs ;D
Great example: A MD with a ex Greyhound 6-71DDC, the engine was so far out of tune, he commented how he would get to the side of the road when a truck came up on him. After tuning the engine to the correct specs, he is out passing trucks, a new experience for him. His only comment was how much more fuel it burned,, GO FIGURE indeed :o :o
Ya just gotta laugh at some bright bulbs ;D
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 01, 2013, 06:30:25 pm
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 01, 2013, 06:30:25 pm
Barry, thanks.
From your photo, it looks like you got the turbo blanket and the nearby exhaust elbow blankets.. did you also go for the exhaust manifold blanket?
I can understand the turbo resonator mod, the resonator wrapping to keep heat away from A.C. components and also understand 'diminishing returns' on investments! Don't want to throw $ at things not needed or really un-important and certainly don't want to add anything that might cause a problem.
I drive very conservatively/not into the peddle, so anticipate no downgrade of MPG from the resonator upgrade( or muffler change out). Efficiency of, and longevity of systems are projects I think worth doing though. Again, thanks.
From your photo, it looks like you got the turbo blanket and the nearby exhaust elbow blankets.. did you also go for the exhaust manifold blanket?
I can understand the turbo resonator mod, the resonator wrapping to keep heat away from A.C. components and also understand 'diminishing returns' on investments! Don't want to throw $ at things not needed or really un-important and certainly don't want to add anything that might cause a problem.
I drive very conservatively/not into the peddle, so anticipate no downgrade of MPG from the resonator upgrade( or muffler change out). Efficiency of, and longevity of systems are projects I think worth doing though. Again, thanks.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on April 01, 2013, 07:57:36 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on April 01, 2013, 07:57:36 pm
Everyone must understand that having a resonator is not the end of the world unless you have a clue how your coach is running and performing, If your not into such things, yes the resonator is a total waste of money and frustration, just keep the old heat producing restrictive Cowl muffler system, FOT will love you.
Seems about 98% know there is an advantage to having and enjoying the resonator, the other 2% are clueless. ;D
Dave M
Seems about 98% know there is an advantage to having and enjoying the resonator, the other 2% are clueless. ;D
Dave M
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on April 01, 2013, 08:23:16 pm
Post by: John S on April 01, 2013, 08:23:16 pm
Dave, I agree in principle but there are some who do not want the different sound. Other than sound, which I think is neat, there are no real drawbacks that I can tell. I felt the difference and also saw the numbers on Silverleaf but I am one who is always paying attention to even the little things when I drive. I also have about 300K miles in the coach and have a pretty good feeling for what it was and now what it is.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Barry Beam on April 01, 2013, 08:26:33 pm
Post by: Barry Beam on April 01, 2013, 08:26:33 pm
Barry, thanks.
From your photo, it looks like you got the turbo blanket and the nearby exhaust elbow blankets.. did you also go for the exhaust manifold blanket?
I can understand the turbo resonator mod, the resonator wrapping to keep heat away from A.C. components and also understand 'diminishing returns' on investments! Don't want to throw $ at things not needed or really un-important and certainly don't want to add anything that might cause a problem.
I drive very conservatively/not into the peddle, so anticipate no downgrade of MPG from the resonator upgrade( or muffler change out). Efficiency of, and longevity of systems are projects I think worth doing though. Again, thanks.
Adding the resonator and taking out the muffler gave me access to my batteries and that was worth the price of admission. Any other benefit I get is a bonus. 8)
I haven't changed my driving pattern which is conservative the last few years, I realized there is no need to rush anymore. I am retired and take all the time I want. A lesson from Barry and Cindy ^.^d
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 02, 2013, 06:31:28 pm
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 02, 2013, 06:31:28 pm
Oh boy, does it ever get just 'simple'? I guess not. ;)
Barry. Your coach is a 40' tag/03 and John's is a 36' /00. Both are different from mine, so for clarity's sake, I'm going to press forward on this with info or questions.
Photos will be somehow included as I go along here.
I began removing the few screws /front and rear/ of the side panel covering the Muffler on my 2001-40' (non tag axle FT). Premature possibly as I kept looking up, while on my back under the coach and it looked like I would have to remove some 1/8" or 3/16# metal from above that had 9/16" bolts going up into the floor area. I believe I was mistaken after further analysis. It appears that the aft end of this panel goes under the rear cap by about 3-4 inches, so the panel will have to be slid forward to be removed.
( I can remove the door just forward of this panel to accomodate my thougths, but...)
the problem I see that "appears" different, (yours/mine/models) is that to get the Upper Portion of this panel loose, I will have to remove the Outside, flexible plastic cover that resides within the aluminum trim. To do this on a gel coated coach would be no problem but to do this on a 'Painted' coach will destroy the paint's color and clearcoat on that trim plastic.
So, if this piece of plastic, has to be removed to be able to remove the panel(which will require gold paint etc.and not just a cheapo $5 roll of plastic, then it is probably wiser to either take more Alleve for my back and just lay underneath the coach to do this job, pr just pay the fiddler and have a shop do this job. 'unpleasant' to be fealing- not up to a task, but I am learning how to continue to smile. :) I'd like to call it wisdom but too many folks around me walk away with funny looks on their faces. Sometimes so do I, but I'm still laughing.
OK, so was up? I do not have batteries under this side, so I cannot see a reason 'Other Than' ease of doing the resonator job. If that is the only real reason why, on a 2001/40' Non-Tag Axle, to remove this panel, then I'm not going to.
"A" forward
"B" Aft
"C" Upper
"dotted tape- "Area of concern".
Barry. Your coach is a 40' tag/03 and John's is a 36' /00. Both are different from mine, so for clarity's sake, I'm going to press forward on this with info or questions.
Photos will be somehow included as I go along here.
I began removing the few screws /front and rear/ of the side panel covering the Muffler on my 2001-40' (non tag axle FT). Premature possibly as I kept looking up, while on my back under the coach and it looked like I would have to remove some 1/8" or 3/16# metal from above that had 9/16" bolts going up into the floor area. I believe I was mistaken after further analysis. It appears that the aft end of this panel goes under the rear cap by about 3-4 inches, so the panel will have to be slid forward to be removed.
( I can remove the door just forward of this panel to accomodate my thougths, but...)
the problem I see that "appears" different, (yours/mine/models) is that to get the Upper Portion of this panel loose, I will have to remove the Outside, flexible plastic cover that resides within the aluminum trim. To do this on a gel coated coach would be no problem but to do this on a 'Painted' coach will destroy the paint's color and clearcoat on that trim plastic.
So, if this piece of plastic, has to be removed to be able to remove the panel(which will require gold paint etc.and not just a cheapo $5 roll of plastic, then it is probably wiser to either take more Alleve for my back and just lay underneath the coach to do this job, pr just pay the fiddler and have a shop do this job. 'unpleasant' to be fealing- not up to a task, but I am learning how to continue to smile. :) I'd like to call it wisdom but too many folks around me walk away with funny looks on their faces. Sometimes so do I, but I'm still laughing.
OK, so was up? I do not have batteries under this side, so I cannot see a reason 'Other Than' ease of doing the resonator job. If that is the only real reason why, on a 2001/40' Non-Tag Axle, to remove this panel, then I'm not going to.
"A" forward
"B" Aft
"C" Upper
"dotted tape- "Area of concern".
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Tim Fiedler on April 02, 2013, 08:03:56 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on April 02, 2013, 08:03:56 pm
memory roads, if you have a FT, change your signature block to please reflect what you have!!!!! thanks and congratulations!
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: sam7 on April 02, 2013, 08:33:31 pm
Post by: sam7 on April 02, 2013, 08:33:31 pm
Memory Roads, I have the same coach/paint job, but 36'. There is no way you can remove that panel without damaging the paint. I too would like to install a resonator but, if I do it I will be on my back so most likely if I ever get a resonator it will be installed by other/s. So write the check and grin a bare it.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 02, 2013, 09:49:35 pm
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 02, 2013, 09:49:35 pm
tim, what's up? you sound harsh/offended! Please do not be.
I will not change the photo on my blogs Homepage as it is a representation of what I 'also own' (yes, no 'if', I do own my foretravel.)
No one, or very few go to the site to visit my Foretravel but many do to visit the 'how to sections' on the Class C ....that i also have the pleasure of owning.
A few years ago, I once again began enjoying land travel but with a unit bought on Ebay I had to, for family reasons. I needed a place to stay when my wife and I flew in to visit my father in his last years, while I also 'thought' I'd need a nurse on night shift for him/depriving us of a room to sleep in. So I bought the Class C on Ebay, getting a deal from a liar, but i fixed it up. i took photos etc. to document the project which I had been thru before, rebuilding a Class C for my father 20 years before.
My blog, is basically there for family and friends that wanted to follow our travels, but I found thousands of folks had the same problems of water leaks on these older Class C's so set up the Index to make it easy for them to follow what "I" did, just in case they felt they could fix theirs.
Now, on Sunday, this blog, with the photo of the Class C, that maybe you or another would like me to remove, had 419 page loads.. yes, more than normal, (normal is 1500/mo. +/-) but memoryroads ranks high on google because the site has been known for years, for decent info on how to rebuild these older coaches. the Home page photo, will remain.
I will not change the photo on my blogs Homepage as it is a representation of what I 'also own' (yes, no 'if', I do own my foretravel.)
No one, or very few go to the site to visit my Foretravel but many do to visit the 'how to sections' on the Class C ....that i also have the pleasure of owning.
A few years ago, I once again began enjoying land travel but with a unit bought on Ebay I had to, for family reasons. I needed a place to stay when my wife and I flew in to visit my father in his last years, while I also 'thought' I'd need a nurse on night shift for him/depriving us of a room to sleep in. So I bought the Class C on Ebay, getting a deal from a liar, but i fixed it up. i took photos etc. to document the project which I had been thru before, rebuilding a Class C for my father 20 years before.
My blog, is basically there for family and friends that wanted to follow our travels, but I found thousands of folks had the same problems of water leaks on these older Class C's so set up the Index to make it easy for them to follow what "I" did, just in case they felt they could fix theirs.
Now, on Sunday, this blog, with the photo of the Class C, that maybe you or another would like me to remove, had 419 page loads.. yes, more than normal, (normal is 1500/mo. +/-) but memoryroads ranks high on google because the site has been known for years, for decent info on how to rebuild these older coaches. the Home page photo, will remain.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Tim Fiedler on April 02, 2013, 10:40:01 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on April 02, 2013, 10:40:01 pm
No problem or offense, just note for all our reference, when you talk about "your" foretravel we dont see what it is in your signature block, lots of fun sailboats, etc mentioned, just want a reminder what FT you have, since I cant remember what everyone is driving. Hleps when you say "did this on my coach" or has anyone ever had this happen"
2000 4010 U-320
Tim
2000 4010 U-320
Tim
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: J. D. Stevens on April 02, 2013, 10:45:42 pm
Post by: J. D. Stevens on April 02, 2013, 10:45:42 pm
He was simply asking for you to add your coach information in to your signature on the forum.
This helps the other members quickly see what year/etc coach you have so they can provide the best information they can when answering questions.
Although that information is sometimes also provided under the users profile, many members do everything by email so they don't get to see that, but what they do see is the signature line.
I had no idea all that stuff that shows up in the Memory Roads signature block included links to other sites until I saw the post in the web view of the forum. The links don't show up in the email messages.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on April 02, 2013, 10:48:43 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on April 02, 2013, 10:48:43 pm
Ya gotta get your kicks where ever you can I guess, If Google gives you the kicks, yippiiee dooo :o :o
Does nothing for me ;D
Does nothing for me ;D
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John Haygarth on April 02, 2013, 10:58:36 pm
Post by: John Haygarth on April 02, 2013, 10:58:36 pm
M Roads, I have a full body paint job and my trim has been off a few times on both sides and you cannot see the line when it is replaced. It is easy to caulk and does not change the look of paint. DO IT. the rear part is held to back cap by another piece of strip aluminum and a lot of silicone between panels so it does need a bit of prying apart. The under strip (vertical) has to go back to give join some integrity. There may be some shorter screws along the upper trim part. Just make sure they go back in the right holes. I put pieces of tape on the upper body were they come from so I know. The trim comes off then the screws down sides A & B and then the few screws holding the panel on (which you do not see till taking strip off. Simple job and SO much easier than lying on your back. Good time to check a bunch of things out like the A?C drier etc.
JohnH
JohnH
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on April 03, 2013, 07:27:41 am
Post by: John S on April 03, 2013, 07:27:41 am
I know on my tag axle the batteries were in a different place on my 01 than Dave M's. I had mine installed at Cummins and they did not take the side panel off but lifted the coach. The muffler is pretty big and getting that out might have been an issue with the panel in place.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 03, 2013, 08:22:01 pm
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 03, 2013, 08:22:01 pm
Steve/Tim, 'Peace'. I read: "if you...and then.....change your signature". Came across harsh to me. Forgive me but I jumped out of my seat. I did read it a half dozen times and felt a shot across my bow for reasons unkown to me.
Steve: I thought I answered with proper courtesy but firm enough only to give a fair response.
For anyone interested: I have addeda few photos to my 'index' this evening under "Foretravel"... I have not done much on my coach, it's basically an original 01-U320 with headlight upgrade for safety and TV mod for pleasure.
To also satisfy requests, I hope I added a top line to my signature that offers info on what Coach I own.
Steve: I thought I answered with proper courtesy but firm enough only to give a fair response.
For anyone interested: I have addeda few photos to my 'index' this evening under "Foretravel"... I have not done much on my coach, it's basically an original 01-U320 with headlight upgrade for safety and TV mod for pleasure.
To also satisfy requests, I hope I added a top line to my signature that offers info on what Coach I own.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on April 03, 2013, 08:24:49 pm
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on April 03, 2013, 08:24:49 pm
Bingo, Perfect
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 03, 2013, 08:37:55 pm
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 03, 2013, 08:37:55 pm
Well Dave, maybe not yet...still questions and this is a forum to resolve them.
John, thanks for your response but I'm still not getting something here. 'My' upper trim /soft/ originally and supposedly removable 1" plastic half round insert into the Horizontal aluminum extrusion just above the panel covering the muffler, had been Originally painted a goldish green paint at the factory and clear coated. Mine is goldish and Johns seems to be 'white'.
To remove this plastic cover(that covers the screws holding the molding on) will destroy the paint on it. John, you have what looks like a white paint job there in this region. Is that why your ok with this removal? That material on 'my' coach has been painted 12 years ago in gold.. That said, I know, if i attempt to bend it for removal, i will cause damage to it.
What am I not seeing ? thanks for your thoughts. ron
John, thanks for your response but I'm still not getting something here. 'My' upper trim /soft/ originally and supposedly removable 1" plastic half round insert into the Horizontal aluminum extrusion just above the panel covering the muffler, had been Originally painted a goldish green paint at the factory and clear coated. Mine is goldish and Johns seems to be 'white'.
To remove this plastic cover(that covers the screws holding the molding on) will destroy the paint on it. John, you have what looks like a white paint job there in this region. Is that why your ok with this removal? That material on 'my' coach has been painted 12 years ago in gold.. That said, I know, if i attempt to bend it for removal, i will cause damage to it.
What am I not seeing ? thanks for your thoughts. ron
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Tim Fiedler on April 03, 2013, 09:02:14 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on April 03, 2013, 09:02:14 pm
Memory,
Heck no, last thing I try to do is shoot across anybody's bow, too many helpful nice freindly people here, sorry if I screwed up in some way and it felt that way. Just wanted to know what FT you had, since I like a lot of your input.
Tim
Heck no, last thing I try to do is shoot across anybody's bow, too many helpful nice freindly people here, sorry if I screwed up in some way and it felt that way. Just wanted to know what FT you had, since I like a lot of your input.
Tim
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Tim Fiedler on April 03, 2013, 09:18:19 pm
Post by: Tim Fiedler on April 03, 2013, 09:18:19 pm
Memory,
BTW, I chartered at least twice with CSY YEARS ago......
BTW, I chartered at least twice with CSY YEARS ago......
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: J. D. Stevens on April 03, 2013, 09:36:57 pm
Post by: J. D. Stevens on April 03, 2013, 09:36:57 pm
To also satisfy requests, I hope I added a top line to my signature that offers info on what Coach I own.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 04, 2013, 08:32:42 pm
Post by: MemoryRoads on April 04, 2013, 08:32:42 pm
Tim, All is good with me, if it's good with you! Consider it my mistake. Also, if you'd like to own probably the best CSY on earth, we should talk! ;)
JD, I was trying to get a photo of the coach down to the 125 x 125 pixel size to add to the signature, but Picasa can only get it down to 320 x something. Well, it's just a stock 2001/ with gold and green paint on the bottom and white gel coat on upper sections; nothing custom.
JD, I was trying to get a photo of the coach down to the 125 x 125 pixel size to add to the signature, but Picasa can only get it down to 320 x something. Well, it's just a stock 2001/ with gold and green paint on the bottom and white gel coat on upper sections; nothing custom.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John Haygarth on April 04, 2013, 11:24:01 pm
Post by: John Haygarth on April 04, 2013, 11:24:01 pm
I do have some goldish strips thru it but that would not stop me. Don't make too much of a bit of paint, it WILL bend and be ok if you treat it right, but up to you
John H
John H
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Barry Beam on May 09, 2013, 09:12:45 am
Post by: Barry Beam on May 09, 2013, 09:12:45 am
I just received my Thermal Exhaust Wrap from Summit Racing and will be covering the resonator with it since it is directly under the AC components.
I haven't taken the coach out yet to see if it makes any difference on the heat in the engine compartment.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Caflashbob on May 09, 2013, 10:52:15 am
Post by: Caflashbob on May 09, 2013, 10:52:15 am
Barry I ordered a 5050xl today and in the future maybe you would refer and maybe help the install to go correctly.
I am in Southern California so Ontario is no problem. I might let you copy my old Foretravel info for your records.
With no comparison its hard to tell but I feel my 450 is restricted if you rev it out. Maybe normal but up steep grades its around five mph faster revved up in a lower gear than torquing up the same grade in a higher gear. I would think that would be more of a difference than that.
I am in Southern California so Ontario is no problem. I might let you copy my old Foretravel info for your records.
With no comparison its hard to tell but I feel my 450 is restricted if you rev it out. Maybe normal but up steep grades its around five mph faster revved up in a lower gear than torquing up the same grade in a higher gear. I would think that would be more of a difference than that.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on May 09, 2013, 06:33:14 pm
Post by: John S on May 09, 2013, 06:33:14 pm
You will find it is a big difference if you are in tune with your coach. You will also get better mileage too. Now when we all go to Nac they no loner say, is that a resonator. There are a lot of us there now.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Caflashbob on May 09, 2013, 11:02:13 pm
Post by: Caflashbob on May 09, 2013, 11:02:13 pm
You will find it is a big difference if you are in tune with your coach. You will also get better mileage too. Now when we all go to Nac they no loner say, is that a resonator. There are a lot of us there now.
You have no idea how much I dragged Foretravel kicking and screaming into the nice coach era.
There coaches did not come with levelers and awnings and cameras and power seats and mirrors. Why? Cm told me the customers asked him to throw that in for free. So don't put it on.
I added everything at my end. And doubled the sales and added even more in profits.
Then they had the money for the R&D to build the unihome. Cm shook my hand and thanked me.
It was fun days as I said before. Versus old ftx's we got grand villas then unihomes.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: propman on March 01, 2014, 12:58:42 am
Post by: propman on March 01, 2014, 12:58:42 am
Finally got around to the Aero Resonator & installed it today.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Tim Fiedler on March 01, 2014, 01:23:13 am
Post by: Tim Fiedler on March 01, 2014, 01:23:13 am
LOVE the install and the heat tape. Where did you get the tape? How do you like the sound? Did you drive it after the install. After about 3 accelerations you don't notice the performance increase, it just becomes "the new normal".
COgrats!
COgrats!
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John Haygarth on March 01, 2014, 02:14:15 pm
Post by: John Haygarth on March 01, 2014, 02:14:15 pm
Al nice job. Only thing I see is that as you have a solid pipe all the way thru (looks like that) do you think the last brkt by Resonator to frame should have been a rubber one to allow a bit of flex??
Just my 2 cents and maybe I missed something.
By the way did you find the info on VDO Gauage you bought as I may end up going that way if this service shop gets too expensive. I checked that site out and looks good. Thx
JohnH
Just my 2 cents and maybe I missed something.
By the way did you find the info on VDO Gauage you bought as I may end up going that way if this service shop gets too expensive. I checked that site out and looks good. Thx
JohnH
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: propman on March 01, 2014, 11:47:29 pm
Post by: propman on March 01, 2014, 11:47:29 pm
Tim \ Thank you. Sound is different but not that loud or louder too me, but the new exhaust discharges with noticeable force. Compare to OEM muffler, my friend thinks it is a bit louder when standing behind the RV. We finished it late Friday night & i had to get home & today was my wife's birthday ... I just did not have time to drive it yet. I can't wait though so Sunday I will drive it & i hope it will add a bit hp, even it does not I like the new clean set up and I am glad I get rid of the restrictive old muffler. I did not pay attention what brand the heat tape. My friend got it for me. Over the years he has done a lot of performance work, he knows his craft and what to use. I asked him to get it for me, but I will find out to share it here.
John \ Thank you. It is a solid pipe all the way through. My friend custom build it for me, also applied couple of coats of ceramic paint before wrapping it with a heat wrap/tape. Not visible in the pictures but there is a rubber bushing / washer used to attach the resonator to frame, it provides some flex and play. I believe all turned out very nice.
For now its tail end does come out under the bumper just like the original was but I want to get it out of the side through the fiberglass panel, there is enough room available to do it. So the way we positioned the Resonator is set that we can remove the tail end pipe later and once we custom build a tail pice, it will exit out of the side ... This way I will not have to worry about scraping it. I did scraped the old one twice. I don't want to do that again.
I will have more information for you John about the VDO Gauge once I get in to office Monday.
John \ Thank you. It is a solid pipe all the way through. My friend custom build it for me, also applied couple of coats of ceramic paint before wrapping it with a heat wrap/tape. Not visible in the pictures but there is a rubber bushing / washer used to attach the resonator to frame, it provides some flex and play. I believe all turned out very nice.
For now its tail end does come out under the bumper just like the original was but I want to get it out of the side through the fiberglass panel, there is enough room available to do it. So the way we positioned the Resonator is set that we can remove the tail end pipe later and once we custom build a tail pice, it will exit out of the side ... This way I will not have to worry about scraping it. I did scraped the old one twice. I don't want to do that again.
I will have more information for you John about the VDO Gauge once I get in to office Monday.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: propman on March 03, 2014, 12:20:00 pm
Post by: propman on March 03, 2014, 12:20:00 pm
JohnH
I spoke with Nichols Speedometer & Instruments (Nichols Speedometer & Instruments - Speedometers, Tachographs, Service and (http://www.nsifleet.com/home.html)) for my speedometer after talking with John at 800-265-1818 VDO tech support, he is very helpful. They will sell me the VDO speedometer i need for $160 this includes them programing the odometer with milage that I have on the engine, without programing the odometer it is $103 or 108 I don't recall exactly.
John (VDO) also gave me 818-761-5136 for North Hollywood speedometer but i did not talk to them.
I hope this helps you,
AL
I spoke with Nichols Speedometer & Instruments (Nichols Speedometer & Instruments - Speedometers, Tachographs, Service and (http://www.nsifleet.com/home.html)) for my speedometer after talking with John at 800-265-1818 VDO tech support, he is very helpful. They will sell me the VDO speedometer i need for $160 this includes them programing the odometer with milage that I have on the engine, without programing the odometer it is $103 or 108 I don't recall exactly.
John (VDO) also gave me 818-761-5136 for North Hollywood speedometer but i did not talk to them.
I hope this helps you,
AL
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John Haygarth on March 03, 2014, 12:26:07 pm
Post by: John Haygarth on March 03, 2014, 12:26:07 pm
Did you need any wiring changes to go from the older one (which I am sure would be same as mine on 240) to make the digital one work??
John H
John H
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: propman on March 03, 2014, 02:03:27 pm
Post by: propman on March 03, 2014, 02:03:27 pm
Did you need any wiring changes to go from the older one (which I am sure would be same as mine on 240) to make the digital one work??
John H
I did not order the speedometer yet but when i purchased & installed the new Tachometer, it was plug and play, I did not need new wiring.
When you find your speedometer on the VDO web site ( Speedometer | By Type | Instruments | VDO Instruments and Accessories (http://www.vdo-gauges.com/instruments/by-type/speedometer.html) ) & find your speedometer for example mine ( Vision Black 120MPH 3 1/8" Electronic Speedometer with Autocalibration, 12V | (http://www.vdo-gauges.com/instruments/by-type/speedometer/vision-black-120mph-3-1-8-electronic-speedometer-with-autocalibration-12v.html) ) click on the downloads click on the instructions sheet ( http://www.vdo-gauges.com/media/instructions/0%20515%20012%20051%20--%20Programmable%20Speedometer©.pdf (http://www.vdo-gauges.com/media/instructions/0%20515%20012%20051%20--%20Programmable%20Speedometer©.pdf) ) you will see if there is anything you need to do once you had time to go over the document.
Also you may want to call VDO tech support @ 800-265-1818 to make sure.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: propman on March 06, 2014, 01:02:11 am
Post by: propman on March 06, 2014, 01:02:11 am
Tim \ Finally crazy weather was better today. Since we installed the new resonator this evening I took Matilda and few friends for a joy ride .. now wow .. wow! I did not expect this much improvement :-) very happy I got rid of the old muffler. The 20 to 40-45 & 55 to 70mpg climb is so different now, there is defiantly HP gain with the new resonator. Everyone should get rid of the old muffler. Next i have to find out if there is mpg gain.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on March 06, 2014, 08:41:31 am
Post by: John S on March 06, 2014, 08:41:31 am
I too noticed a huge difference. Sadly it is the normal now so I will have to look at turning it up to 500 HP next.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: ohsonew on March 06, 2014, 05:58:23 pm
Post by: ohsonew on March 06, 2014, 05:58:23 pm
John S,
What's so sad about that ^.^d
Larry
What's so sad about that ^.^d
Larry
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Johnnie & Susan Laird on March 06, 2014, 08:04:10 pm
Post by: Johnnie & Susan Laird on March 06, 2014, 08:04:10 pm
@ Propman, we have the same coach. Our exhaust is 3" from the turbo to a 4" adapter at the muffler.
Did you leave the 3" to the adapter at the muffler ?
Our 'rigid' pipe changes to 'flex' pipe 18" or so before the muffler, was thinking we could make the 3" to 4" change at the new larger flex pipe. ?
We wouldn't have to have a new rigid pipe.
Thanks for your help.............~Johnnie~
Did you leave the 3" to the adapter at the muffler ?
Our 'rigid' pipe changes to 'flex' pipe 18" or so before the muffler, was thinking we could make the 3" to 4" change at the new larger flex pipe. ?
We wouldn't have to have a new rigid pipe.
Thanks for your help.............~Johnnie~
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: propman on March 06, 2014, 11:35:46 pm
Post by: propman on March 06, 2014, 11:35:46 pm
@ Propman, we have the same coach. Our exhaust is 3" from the turbo to a 4" adapter at the muffler.
Did you leave the 3" to the adapter at the muffler ?
Our 'rigid' pipe changes to 'flex' pipe 18" or so before the muffler, was thinking we could make the 3" to 4" change at the new larger flex pipe. ?
We wouldn't have to have a new rigid pipe.
Thanks for your help.............~Johnnie~
We debated quite a bit about going to 4' all the way from the turbo, well I talk to few trusted Diesel nuts .. long story short consensus was stay with 3' and see how the improvement turns out, especially how it effects transmission shifting. Very happy with results so this is a done project for my GV. It is 3' rigid with ceramic paint and heat wrap in to 4' resonator and 4' out to tail end. We did not wrap the resonator, I am not sure if it is necessary, at that point it is out of the engine compartment and heat is released away from the turbo already, maybe I will do it later on.
AL
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on March 07, 2014, 12:30:28 am
Post by: John S on March 07, 2014, 12:30:28 am
Sad because now I want more.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Caflashbob on March 07, 2014, 12:52:31 am
Post by: Caflashbob on March 07, 2014, 12:52:31 am
Sad because now I want more.
Made a living giving boys and girls "more" in the next rv
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: twobus on March 07, 2014, 11:41:40 pm
Post by: twobus on March 07, 2014, 11:41:40 pm
Is this something that would help on older rigs with say frinstance a cat 3208? I am looking at the oem setup and wondering how it could be restrictive enough that this resonator would make any difference. A couple more liters displacement maybe but half the boost pressure.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on March 08, 2014, 07:00:00 am
Post by: John S on March 08, 2014, 07:00:00 am
I got about 2-3 pounds more boost. I run a bit cooler too. The reason I replaced my muffler was because it had a hole in it and would not pass inspection on Virginia. The benefits and better fuel milage of about 1 mpg pay for the change over in three trips to Spokane. I use approximately 170 gallons less each round trip. I record every drop of fuel and when and where purchased. Used to put the price ore gallon but that became painful. This is over multiple trips before the resonator and after. It is about 6000 mile round trip and 170 gallons times 3 bucks a gallon, which is pretty low saves me over five hundred a trip.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: ohsonew on March 08, 2014, 08:33:53 am
Post by: ohsonew on March 08, 2014, 08:33:53 am
John S,
I like your kind of math. Doesn't take long to figure that one out. It will be on the wish list.
Larry
I like your kind of math. Doesn't take long to figure that one out. It will be on the wish list.
Larry
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: philtravel on March 08, 2014, 10:16:25 am
Post by: philtravel on March 08, 2014, 10:16:25 am
What are the reasons and or advantages of the insulation wrap on the exhaust?
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: PatC on March 08, 2014, 10:39:27 am
Post by: PatC on March 08, 2014, 10:39:27 am
The insulation on the exhaust pipe is to keep the temp inside the pipe until it escapes out the end of the tail pipe, keeping the engine / rear of the coach much cooler. The original muffler and piping does produce large amount of noticeable heat in the rear.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: TulsaTrent on March 08, 2014, 12:28:29 pm
Post by: TulsaTrent on March 08, 2014, 12:28:29 pm
Yep, never never never grab your tail pipe, muffler, or exhaust when the engine has been running for a while. You will end up with a very nasty burn if you do!!!
While we are giving free advice, don't touch your brake disk after stopping either. (I saw grooves and wanted to feel how deep they were - does amazing things to the pads of your fingers!)
Trent
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on March 08, 2014, 03:16:45 pm
Post by: John S on March 08, 2014, 03:16:45 pm
I can second to never touch your brakes especially if one sticks and you are going to remove it and replace without waiting a good while.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Jimmyjnr on April 07, 2014, 11:17:55 pm
Post by: Jimmyjnr on April 07, 2014, 11:17:55 pm
Does the change to a resonator cause any problems with smog / emissions test
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: John S on April 08, 2014, 08:06:53 am
Post by: John S on April 08, 2014, 08:06:53 am
We do not have one in VA on our coaches. I do not know but I would say you have to be compliant to the year you are built. Now CA might be different but who knows. It is an interesting question though.
Title: Re: Installed Aero resonator
Post by: Tom Lang on April 08, 2014, 01:58:30 pm
Post by: Tom Lang on April 08, 2014, 01:58:30 pm
Ii wouldn't know about the newer coaches, but my 2003 is exempt from smog testing in California because of weight. I suspect the newer coaches with pig urine injection are also exempt.