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Title: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: ScubaGuy on April 01, 2013, 08:34:21 pm
I'm a newbie here but I'm hoping to get peoples opinions on a possible bulkhead separation issue. Can those of you who have experience with this sort of issue give me your thoughts.
Any thoughts on how big of a problem this might be and/or what it might cost to have it fixed by FOT?
The first 5 photos show the front bulkhead, the last 5 are of the rear bulkhead.
Thank You, Douglas
P.S. it's a 97' 40' Unicoach
Title: What do you think about these bulkheads? (pt2)
Post by: ScubaGuy on April 01, 2013, 08:42:05 pm
All of these photos are of the rear.
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Green99 on April 01, 2013, 09:43:27 pm
Hi Douglas, I had my rear bulkhead repaired last month in Nac. I used Extreme Paint and Graphics I can't say enough good things about the work and the people of Extreme.
Jerry 1999 U270 34WTFE
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on April 01, 2013, 10:18:42 pm
Douglas,
This looks very serious. Unless you are handy like Don, I would advise taking your rig to a shop that is very familiar with the bulkhead issue. Unfortunately, the photos don't show the extent of the damage. Have you been driving it like this? I would think about putting it on a flat bed truck to transport it to the repair facility. Driving it could result in a major failure and a lot more expenditure as well as risk to yourself.
In my opinion, the forum should have a separate topic for bulkhead issues. With knowledge from others with this issue, it can be caught before it gets this far.
For interest to others, a bit of history as to the type of driving, home location of the vehicle would be helpful.
Good luck and keep us posted. Really excellent photos.
Pierce
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Don & Tys on April 01, 2013, 10:22:40 pm
Douglas, Not trying to be an alarmist here, but I would say that given the extensive evidence of rust jacking that is apparent in the pictures, IMHO this coach has a serious problem. First of all, the source of the problem has to be identified. If it is a fresh water leak from the past or presently in the coach as far as the rear bulkhead problem goes, that must be fixed. But since the front bulkhead joint exhibits many of the same symptoms as the rear, my guess is that this coach has been exposed to a lot of road salts etc. And that may lead to other problems as well. I have no idea how much those qualified to repair this problem would charge, but I wouldn't be satisfied unless there was a peeling back of the skin to examine the framing adjacent to the Bulkheads and cleaning up that metal and if it was found to be sound, preparing the metal so that the skin would adhere to it. I surely wouldn't be satisfied with a band aid approach to the repair. Many on this forum would say that I am at one end of the spectrum and they might not be as concerned by the issues shown in the pictures. Given my experience, I hope that is at least understandable. As to any estimate of the cost of the required work, use the worst case scenario to determine your budget. Just my opinion, others will likely think differently. Don
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: amos.harrison on April 01, 2013, 10:23:46 pm
I think the rear would cost about $1000 at FT, the front less.
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on April 01, 2013, 10:40:30 pm
Just read Don's reply and could not agree more. He did his the right way and is much better than when it left the factory. Just like an engine overhaul, there are different levels of repair that can be done, naturally all with differing costs. For instance, the big angle iron shows a great deal of rust but the backside will be much worse with serious erosion. The rectangular tubing forward (or rearward) will also be seriously compromised. I would think that not only all the rust be removed but a backup plate added from side to side to strengthen the weakened angle iron. And this has not even covered the tubing that you can't see. A big reason to go with a shop really up to speed on this issue.
Pierce
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: coastprt on April 01, 2013, 11:16:32 pm
Douglas,
That rust looks extensive and needs to be addressed soon. I wouldn't trust any of those bolts in the photos and the frame looks very rusted also. Like Pierce and Don who is a real expert here said the damage could be more extensive and could get very costly if major work needs to be done and all of it has to be done by someone else.
I was fortunate in finding someone locally to do mine as I didn't have the time . It looks like the bottom of the coach stayed in a wet/salty environment or stayed parked on wet ground most of its life.
15 #8 bolts were sistered in on my rear bulkhead for a cost of $640 and I consider that a good price. I will do the front later on myself as it is not nearly as bad and I can live with it for a while. I would check with any good truck collision repair/frame shop to get their opinion and cost of repair.
Barry Brideau has a great write up with pictures and how-to-fix which the shop that repaired mine used as a guide. Bulkhead Separation (http://www.beamalarm.com/Documents/bulkhead_separation.html)
There are extensive postings on this subject on this forum with simple DIY fixes to Don's (acousticart) amazing fabrication and rebuild. I believe Don Hay was the first of us to address this issue.
I would do a thorough inspection before going any further and if you pull the trigger on this one it will be with eyes wide open.
Good luck,
Jerry from Gulfport, Ms
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Don Hay on April 01, 2013, 11:56:56 pm
My rear bulkhead had considerable rust jacking, but I believe these pictures illustrate an even more severe situation. If you are close enough to bring the coach to Nacogdoches, I would recommend you take it to Xtreme Graphics and James Stallings (owner). They have repaired dozens of these and do excellent work. Although this is serious, depending on how far away from Nacogdoches you live, you could probably drive the coach to Nac. This separation didn't occur overnight. However, it needs to be addressed sooner (much) than later. I repaired the rear bulkhead myself, but it was a real chore. I didn't know about Xtreme at the time. They repaired the front bulkheads just this past fall, somewhere around $800. Rear bulkhead will cost more.
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Roland Begin on April 02, 2013, 12:13:57 am
I would give the existing bolts the 250 inch pound torque test then make decisions from there. At this point you have no clue how many of the existing rolok bolts have any strength to them at all. Then it is your decision wether to address the issue yourself or bring it to someone. Don't think I would drive it too far in this condition. I cannot tell by your post wether you olwn this coach or are looking at it. If looking have the seller address the issue before you make an offer.
Roland
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: John Haygarth on April 02, 2013, 12:35:22 am
I have no experience with this problem as mine is sound,but, looking at the photos and having a background in metal, construction and machining I would bet that this one requires the same fix that Don has gone thru' and that is/was way more than all the others that were fixed at Extreme or FOT. If you do not own the coach I would tell the owner to fix or not bother. I gather though by the "intonation" in your words that you do own it and if so talk to Don, or, check his pictures he has posted. The tubular frame will be severly compromised and frankly if you try to torque the bolts my guess is you will have non left in place, so scotch that one. I would only buy this coach at a drastically reduced price as you can in no way get a cost estimate( it would be many times that once the complete picture is seen) from any sensible shop untill the skin is taken off. Hopefully the rest of the coach is in good shape and worth all the work to fix this one. Good luck. John h
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: wolfe10 on April 02, 2013, 08:43:22 am
Just a quick observation.
Those who suggest that a quick (i.e. $1000) clean and bolt repair will fix it are ASSUMING (and here that is a huge assumption) that there is enough structural integrity in those 1/8" thick walls of the box beam that new bolts will fix it.
Doesn't take much rust to render 1/8" walls non-structural.
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Kent Speers on April 02, 2013, 09:55:06 am
This is one of the few times I disagree with Pierce, I have seen worse but I would get a professional opinion from either Foretravel or Xtreme in NAC. I would not use the 250 inch pound test. You already know the bulkheads probably need to be addressed so why weaken the system by breaking loose the Rolocks left in the bulkhead. We don't know where you are located but I would plan a trip to NAC pretty soon. My bet is that things would hold together for a long time but why take the chance considering the cost of the coach.
If there is damage to the to the 1/8" box beam mentioned by Brett, I would have Xtreme perform the work since they use the bolt through method. If the box beam is still in good shape the Huck Bolt method used by Foretravel should work fine. Good luck and don't stress too much. It can be fixed at a reasonable cost.
One thing I am sure of is that you are a pretty darn good photographer. Nice Work!
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Roland Begin on April 02, 2013, 10:55:50 am
If the existing bolts do not survive the 250 inch pound test they will not survive any trip of any distance. I believe he should make an informed decision instead of driving blind. If he does the test and every rook bolt head breaks off do you really believe that these bolts would have withstood the torque of a long drive? I think not. Better to be in a pickle in your yard than stranded on the road, take it from someone who ha been there. Roland
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Dave Head on April 02, 2013, 11:12:42 am
Lets say they all break at 125 inch-pounds. Now you have NOTHING holding it together where you had 20 bolts holding at 125 inch-pounds.
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: John Haygarth on April 02, 2013, 11:30:21 am
Roland, I realise you have been thru' something similar so have great knowledge on the issue, but as we do not know Scubaguy's location (profile very hazy) he may be just a short distance from Nac'?? I would bet that this coach has been driving around for a while like this (although it looks like a bolt has recently snapped on one of the pics) so a drive for a few hours will not change the structural stability of the coach, I would hope!! Maybe he CAN do the work himself but needs guidance, and on that point I would suggest that in reality as this is a steel fabrication problem more than, a Foretravel Technical one, I see no reason why this kind of repair has to go to Nac. It can be fixed anywere as long as it is rebuilt as original design after removing all the extra's as Don did. The one major difference would be that (FOT &EX) do know the build up of the various areas so this would save time, hopefully! I feel after reading/following and looking at the pictures Don posted he has given some the kick that would be needed to "do your own repair" if one should have the necessary equip't and patience needed. I have only been a forum member for a few years but I bet Don's rehabilitation of a Foretravel is the largest and most important fix ever in this group! I know he has given me that kick should ours ever get to that point, even though I do have the knowledge and ability to attack it, I may have balked a bit before seeing what he did. John H
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Roland Begin on April 02, 2013, 11:39:16 am
Lets say they all break at 125 inch-pounds. Now you have NOTHING holding it together where you had 20 bolts holding at 125 inch-pounds.
If they break at 125 inch pounds there is not a whole lot holding them together. Would they survive a long trip, who knows. I would rather be in a pickle in my yard where I am in control than being stranded in the middle of nowhere. The only way to address an issue is to gather information, and at this point all he has are photographs, nice but not enough information for an informed decision as to what the next step should be.MOHO
Roland
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Roland Begin on April 02, 2013, 11:51:38 am
Roland, I realise you have been thru' something similar so have great knowledge on the issue, but as we do not know Scubaguy's location (profile very hazy) he may be just a short distance from Nac'?? I would bet that this coach has been driving around for a while like this (although it looks like a bolt has recently snapped on one of the pics) so a drive for a few hours will not change the structural stability of the coach, I would hope!! Maybe he CAN do the work himself but needs guidance, and on that point I would suggest that in reality as this is a steel fabrication problem more than, a Foretravel Technical one, I see no reason why this kind of repair has to go to Nac. It can be fixed anywere as long as it is rebuilt as original design after removing all the extra's as Don did. The one major difference would be that (FOT &EX) do know the build up of the various areas so this would save time, hopefully! I feel after reading/following and looking at the pictures Don posted he has given some the kick that would be needed to "do your own repair" if one should have the necessary equip't and patience needed. I have only been a forum member for a few years but I bet Don's rehabilitation of a Foretravel is the largest and most important fix ever in this group! I know he has given me that kick should ours ever get to that point, even though I do have the knowledge and ability to attack it, I may have balked a bit before seeing what he did. John H
Yes you are correct, his location is part of the decision making process, and I do believe Don has got to be the " Rear bulkhead expert" on this forum. I know I do not have the skills required to do the job the job he did on his coach. I know what my front bulkhead looked like, and there was no rust on the box beam, only on the outer most by the wheel. Had I been closer to NAC when I realized what needed to be done I would have let the factory or EX repair my bulkhead.
Roland
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Don & Tys on April 02, 2013, 12:25:41 pm
Douglas, Now that you have heard from some forum members on this subject, many of whom have had experience in repairing their own or having them repaired at FOT or Extreme, you may be feeling a bit overwhelmed by the whole thing. You haven't said much about your situation, areas of expertise and or experience, or what sort of facilities and tools that you have available to you and a lot of the choices you need to make depend on all of that. If you decide that you're going to drive to Nacogdoches and get the work done, I would advise you at the very least not to travel with full diesel and full water or waste tanks and be very careful using the retarder. If you have a long drive to Nacogdoches, depending on your tools, experience, and motivation as well as your location, I would be tempted to put some through bolts in using the traditional do-it-yourselfers fix as described by Brett and others as a temporary fix to reduce the chances of having the kind of roadside failure that will end up causing even more grief. There is all kinds of information on this topic here on the forum, and of course, so many knowledgeable and experienced forum members willing to help you with information, advice and depending upon proximity, maybe more. Best of luck from someone who's been there, Don
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on April 02, 2013, 12:48:02 pm
In assessing the damage to the area, I used our U300 as a guideline. The visible part of the angle iron looked almost new but the backside that sits against the bulkhead/.125 rectangular tubing was badly eaten away by rust, 50% in some areas. Fortunately, the tubing was not damaged and was dry inside.
Looking at the well done photos in detail on a 32 inch monitor, it appears to me that the rust/corrosion has progressed into the tubing area. The covering also seems to be pulling away from the tubing leaving more area exposed to the elements.
As John said, any good welding shop can make the repair and do an excellent job to boot. The problem is finding a shop that will do the job correctly. I have seen photos of some repairs that look very temporary and also would drastically reduce the value of the coach when sold. That's why I was thinking of a shop that had a good track record repairing this damage.
For years, I owned and operated a DOT compliance door beam and bumper support manufacturing business in Southern California. We would cut and weld more steel in an hour than any Foretravel repair would take. My Miller 200 worked everyday for years with 2 ex-shipyard welders laying beads on DOM, seamless tubing and Korean rectangular tubing. Still have the faithful Miller and it works as well today as the day I bought it. The first few years at the other end of the business in Germany involved used cars driven in a very corrosive winter environment. I learned to spot tell-tale rust and determine how severe it was in the rest of the car. No direct correlation from German cars to Foretravels but some of the same factors apply. After reading in German newspapers about the occasional Autobahn driver who's seat fell through the floor down on the road while driving is the reason I'm always overly cautious when it comes to rust, especially driving with rust.
Pierce
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: John Haygarth on April 02, 2013, 12:54:22 pm
found a great place for this kind of repair and very experienced too.
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: ScubaGuy on April 02, 2013, 02:05:03 pm
Wow, thank you to everyone who replied. What an amazing amount of information, in a very short time. Thank you so much.
Fortunately, this is not a coach I own, but is one I'm looking at buying. It's about 250 miles from Nac. I did my own personal inspection yesterday on this coach, and had my torque wrench in hand. After seeing the extent of the damage to the rear bulkhead, I made the executive decision to not chance breaking every single bolt across the rear bulkhead. Actually, while only one bolt was missing from the rear bulkhead, I felt certain that most of the bolts on the driver's side were completely rusted out.
I'm a pretty handy guy, but have zero experience with any sort of repair like this, and know less than zero about fiberglass/body work. Honestly, if the coach was in Jeff Gordon's garage, I still don't think I could successfully patch-up much less correctly repair this myself.
My largest concerns at this point, after seeing the coach, and learning more about Don's experience, is the thought that to truly and properly repair this problem, the fiberglass skin would need to be peeled off the bottom of the coach in order to find all the damage that needs to be repaired. Then all the rusted material would need to be removed and rebuilt. Then the skin re-attached and repaired. Just for starters....
Next would be, with the amount of separation I think I'm seeing, surely there is a very high likely hood for delamination. Possibly a lot of it. Again, knowing next to nothing about fiberglass, I have little faith in judging the severity of the problem or what it would take to fix it. Also, I am highly concerned that the problem has the potential to grow much larger during the trip to Nac for repairs.
Thank you again to everyone who posted. Please don't feel like this is thread is closed if anyone else has anything to contribute, I'm all ears.
Finally, thanks to those who commented on my photo skills. You got a huge laugh out of me during a not so great day. I'm actually a terrible photographer, I just got really lucky I guess. All photos were taken with a Droid HTC Rezound 8mp camera.
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Don & Tys on April 02, 2013, 02:42:00 pm
Douglas, Then you are quite the lucky one since you discovered this issue prior to purchasing. It is a credit to you that you did your research to find out about this issue from the forum so that you could make an informed decision. Since it sounds like you are in Texas, you actually have quite a number of units to examine any given time... Here in Southern California, this coach was the only one within 100 miles that was available-for-sale! As regards delamination issues, bulkhead separation does not necessarily lead to sidewall delamination. The bulkhead wall will flex independently of the superstructure above, likely having broken angle iron supports that run vertically top to bottom near the suspension attachments. That is probably a good thing, since sidewall delamination could lead to even more costly and cosmetically important repairs.
I'm attaching a couple of pictures of the area where the bulkhead flexes and that is below the floor in the bedroom/bathroom area. Note the crack in the vertical angle iron. There are 4 of these adjacent to the suspension attachment and on our coach, these are all cracked in the same place. Now that I have the bulkhead torqued and sealed, I am going to finish up by welding some gussets to reinforce the area, though I believe that the bulkhead joint is more than strong enough to make that a moot point. Still, it couldn't hurt... I very carefully examined the sidewalls on our coach for delamination, and was very happy to find them all sound! Don
Wow, thank you to everyone who replied. What an amazing amount of information, in a very short time. Thank you so much.
Fortunately, this is not a coach I own, but is one I'm looking at buying. It's about 250 miles from Nac. I did my own personal inspection yesterday on this coach, and had my torque wrench in hand. After seeing the extent of the damage to the rear bulkhead, I made the executive decision to not chance breaking every single bolt across the rear bulkhead. Actually, while only one bolt was missing from the rear bulkhead, I felt certain that most of the bolts on the driver's side were completely rusted out.
I'm a pretty handy guy, but have zero experience with any sort of repair like this, and know less than zero about fiberglass/body work. Honestly, if the coach was in Jeff Gordon's garage, I still don't think I could successfully patch-up much less correctly repair this myself.
My largest concerns at this point, after seeing the coach, and learning more about Don's experience, is the thought that to truly and properly repair this problem, the fiberglass skin would need to be peeled off the bottom of the coach in order to find all the damage that needs to be repaired. Then all the rusted material would need to be removed and rebuilt. Then the skin re-attached and repaired. Just for starters....
Next would be, with the amount of separation I think I'm seeing, surely there is a very high likely hood for delamination. Possibly a lot of it. Again, knowing next to nothing about fiberglass, I have little faith in judging the severity of the problem or what it would take to fix it. Also, I am highly concerned that the problem has the potential to grow much larger during the trip to Nac for repairs.
Thank you again to everyone who posted. Please don't feel like this is thread is closed if anyone else has anything to contribute, I'm all ears.
Finally, thanks to those who commented on my photo skills. You got a huge laugh out of me during a not so great day. I'm actually a terrible photographer, I just got really lucky I guess. All photos were taken with a Droid HTC Rezound 8mp camera.
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Kent Speers on April 02, 2013, 06:06:55 pm
Just an opinion, if all else is good and the price is right I would not let what I saw from your photos prevent me from purchasing the coach. I certainly would not worry about driving it to NAC. Mine looked worse for several years before I got it fixed. But, as I said it is just an opinion and therefore worth exactly what the opinion costs.
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: kb0zke on April 02, 2013, 06:14:21 pm
You might also get a guesstimate of repair costs and use that as a point in the price negotiations.
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: John Duld on April 02, 2013, 07:34:28 pm
I think I would look around a little. There are some nice coaches out there However if you make an offer, why not make delivery in Nacogdoches part of the offer.
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Tim Fiedler on April 02, 2013, 08:02:25 pm
If you own it, drive to NAC and have Extreme fix it, they are the least invasive and very knowledgeable. it probably wont break in route, but if it does, search the posts, there was a member that had a temp. repair done on the road and then drove the rest of the way home and repaired there.
If you don't own it, don't buy it without someone in NAC looking at it and giving you a firm estimate to repair.
Don's repair is amazing, and probably overkill. But was all that necessary to have a roadworthy coach for the next 20 years? Maybe, maybe not.
Good , better, best. Better is fine, Xtreme can tell you how much for "better".
This bulkhead thing is SOOOOOO overblown. Yes a few are seriously compromised. Yes, if really bad it can be a somewhat expensive repair. For most, it is fine, or a repair less than $1,000.
I forget the post, but a member drove a long way with a failed bulkhead. If a coach had ten year old michelins, I would drive it 2000 miles to get new ones. If a coach had a comprised bulkhead like in these pictures, I would drive it to NAC. If it had 10 year old tires and this bulkhead, I would still drive it to NAC just like it is.
Yes, bad things can happen, but the not very likely.
Just do it.
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Roland Begin on April 02, 2013, 08:37:53 pm
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I forget the post, but a member drove a long way with a failed bulkhead. If a coach had ten year old michelins, I would drive it 2000 miles to get new ones. If a coach had a comprised bulkhead like in these pictures, I would drive it to NAC. If it had 10 year old tires and this bulkhead, I would still drive it to NAC just like it is.
Yes, bad things can happen, but the not very likely.
Just do it.
Yes that was me with the total FRONT bulkhead failure. I would be a bit more concerned with the rear bulkhead. The fuel tank saves you on the front bulkhead, but with the drive train in the rear it is a whole other ball of wax. Seems lie I have seen a post on here with a rear bulkhead failure...not nice. As he does not own the coach maybe he can reach an agreement with the seller to cover most of the cost of the repair, I know I would have done that had I known what I had for an issue.
Roland
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: ScubaGuy on April 02, 2013, 11:37:42 pm
Hi Roland can you tell me more about what you mean by total failure? I have an image in my head but I want to be clear.
Yes that was me with the total FRONT bulkhead failure. I would be a bit more concerned with the rear bulkhead. The fuel tank saves you on the front bulkhead, but with the drive train in the rear it is a whole other ball of wax. Seems lie I have seen a post on here with a rear bulkhead failure...not nice. As he does not own the coach maybe he can reach an agreement with the seller to cover most of the cost of the repair, I know I would have done that had I known what I had for an issue.
Roland
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Don & Tys on April 03, 2013, 02:07:16 am
I'm not Roland, but I think this is the rear bulkhead failure thread that Roland is referring to... Christi and Ray's frame separation issue (was Calamity Jane strikes again!) (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=14877.msg88186#msg88186) Don
I'm not Roland, but I think this is the rear bulkhead failure thread that Roland is referring to... Christi and Ray's frame separation issue (was Calamity Jane strikes again!) (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=14877.msg88186#msg88186) Don
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Roland Begin on April 03, 2013, 04:40:42 pm
That looks just WRONG! I'm glad everything worked our for Christi and Ray, but YIKES!!!!!
Thank you for the link, some how I had totally missed that topic.
That was a rear bulkhead failure on that link my failure was on the front bulkhead, I posted photos on June 5 2012. I would post the link here but I don't know how to do that with this iPad. But if you go to my profile you should easily find the photos. The fuel tank resting against the steel bulkhead prevented a real disaster.
Roland
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Michelle on April 03, 2013, 04:44:26 pm
That was a rear bulkhead failure on that link my failure was on the front bulkhead, I posted photos on June 5 2012. I would post the link here but I don't know how to do that with this iPad.
Roland - is this the post you're referencing? Has this happened to anyone? (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=15513.0)
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Roland Begin on April 03, 2013, 04:46:15 pm
Roland - is this the post you're referencing? Has this happened to anyone? (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=15513.0)
GOSH you are fast Michelle and yes that is the post I was referring to. Thanks a bunch.
Roland
Title: Re: What do you think about these bulkheads?
Post by: Don & Tys on April 03, 2013, 05:22:28 pm
"Seems like I have seen a post on here with a rear bulkhead failure...not nice." This is the part of your post that I was posting a link for Roland. I remember the pictures you put up on your front Bulkhead failure. I was impressed with the dispatch of your subsequent and your ability to maintain a positive attitude through it all. It has been challenging for me at times! Don