Any part of this coach is nicer than any part of my home and any home in my neighborhood for a long distance!
2012 Foretravel Ih-45, Nacogdoches TX - 110690421 - RVTrader.com (http://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2012-Foretravel-ih-45-110690421)
Just unbelievable is all I can say. (Taking a deep breath).
Get it! You only live once! ;D
If I sold my home, both vehicles, my daughter's home and her vehicle, and finally the homes and cars of my two sons, I might be able to buy it. But I will have left the family on foot and homeless. In the end, it actually sounds like a plan! ;)
"Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do it
You play the guitar on the MTV
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and ....
I should a learned to play the guitar
I should a learned to play them drums"
I sold a 52x120 lot a block away from us on the lake for $744,000 a few years ago and to think you can buy that IH for same value makes me shake my head ?
John H
You can pick it up in 25 years time for 30 Grand,
I have the Booklet on it, Its just incredible inside,
These coaches are not targeted to the faint of wallet... :o
I only wish I had that much resource available. But I still would not spend $700,000 on such a fast depreciating asset. To be able to "afford" such a toy or travel means you need to be able to depreciate it in the tax books or have money to burn...literally.
Good for them who can do it. ;)
Let me say that your post with others in this topic can only harm the image of Foretravel. There are many members who do not own Foretravels and are looking to. What you are saying here might be true but lets not post negative comments about any product of Foretravel. The price is what it is and if you do not agree with the price or cannot afford it, then lets those folks like myself who can not have to read the rantings of those who cannot. Thanks
Do I see bunk beds in the photos?
I see no problem, purchase it with a SBA Loan, wait 6 months file Chapter, that's how it's done here in California.
Peter has the right to express his opinion just as you do. I don't think it was "ranting".
I love this forum! ;D
Wonderful - yes, lets put Foretravel down while we are at it. That is what you are saying, correct?
I have read all of these posts and I do not see anyone putting Foretravel down. I think most are simply saying, this is a beautiful coach, but it is way out of my price range. Clearly, it is not out of your price range and I don't think anyone has criticized you for that. That is my favorite Foretravel that I have seen and if I could afford it, I would buy it. But, I'm not ashamed to say, I cannot. So, I will find a Foretravel that I can afford and be just as happy. ;D
Oh please...really? Peace. ^.^d :help: :help:
I'm pleased someone bought this 1997 U295 when it was new. They had some good times in it, and now we get to enjoy it.
I hope that there are lots of folk who will buy the IH-45, enjoy it for a while and then make it available for the next owners to enjoy.
Guys this is starting to go off the tracks here.
Yup. Off the tracks it went. The financial status of most of us is usually kept as personal business. It should stay that way.
I thought politics and religion were the only "don't go there" topics. Peter made a good point, but everybody is free to disagree with him. That is the normal give and take of the forum. I don't think he said anything negative about FT. Lets face it, every time we report a problem with our coaches, it is a negative "mark" to some degree. Think of all the discussion about the bulkhead problems of older coaches. Now that would turn off many potential buyers. But it was a discussion we had to have!
I too am so thankful that at least two owners owned my coach, and several my first Foretravel. I say a thanks each and every day, for their great taste.
Fun thread. I had a lot of Foretravel customers long ago who could have bought the company outright. But knowing their uses were extreme, chose to buy an older coach to use it up. Same as me other than the money. Haha
Sold a Vegas casino owner a $200k unihome as his porta potty to watch his son desert race.
His casino already had a prevost but it was too low to the ground to go off-road.
Old unihomes with the manual leveling could be raised up for ground clearance.
My favorite. Might figure out how to put it on my 97. Seriously
Could "cock" the motorhome to compensate for crosswinds. Or drive off cambers
Bob
No - that is NOT what they "said", just what you "heard".
This, right now, is the Golden Age of personal transport. If you have 6 figures to spend on an RV or a car, you have an embarrassment of choices, and can put something in your driveway that is almost unreal for its comfort, performance, looks, and efficiency. I love that such things are available, even though I can't partake...not just cuz they're fun to look at and dream about, but because it makes it possible for those of us not in that tax bracket to be able to scoop up what once was the very best of the best for not very much at all, and still have a Very comfy capable good looking RV. Last time I was in the market, 20 years ago, you could spend REALLY nice house money ( I wonder how 275k in 1990 dollars compares to the asking price of this IH 45 now, just frinstance) on a Unihome and be in the comparable position the buyer of this rig would be in now, or if you were poor folk you could buy a 10 year old SOB for the same price as I paid now for that same Unihome. There were no alternatives. See what I mean? The folks with huge bankrolls could get a narrowbody with no slides and a std waterheater and a mechanical diesel and a 4speed and have the nicest rig on the road, but the likes of me could only pull off a leafsprung P30 with a particle board and laminate interior and use-once brakes. The 2014 Corvette is such an impressive piece o'kit that it's already driving the prices down on the previous generation cars. Ye gods, a feller can troll Ebay and buy hisself a ten year old Ferrari 550 Maranello, a full on rockstar of a car that still looks good parked at Pebble Beach, for *pickup truck* money. It's the Golden Age. Many thanks, FT, for being a part of it.
According to one inflation calculator, $275,000 in 1990 dollars is $492,090 in 2013 dollars
Inflation Calculator: Bureau of Labor Statistics (http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm)
Explains why I am going financially backwards. One dollar forward and two dollars backward. ;D
Any thing man made will eventually fall to bits,
I have a 23 year old Foretravel coach, I expected a lot of things to be wrong with my Coach, I had Budgeted for it,
An extra 20 grand I set aside to fix it up to be a good reliable Coach,
It cost about 7 Grand extra, Not the 20 grand I thought it would need,
Very little was wrong with the coach, Most was running gear, 108,000 miles.
Oshkosh Side, Not the Foretravel side,
My Coach was $212,000-00 when new in 1990,
I bought a block of land in 1990 for 50 Grand on Tic, The one I live on now, That was a phenomenal amount of money back them,
$212.000-00 I could have bought a Huge Mansion on acreage in 1990,
Even brand new ones will have some thing that Fails, Its just the way it is, Its a very complex system our Coachs,, Even human error comes into it,
Look at older SOB's, What do they look like after 20 or 30 years on the road, The Foretravel Coach stands out,
You can Knock a Foretravel all you like,
But the quality stands up to the test of time, Its there for all to see, You cant beat that, Thats why I bought one,
Not a new one, Thats totally out of my Financial Future scope , So I had to settle for one within my means,
An Old Cheapy, Plus conversion, plus Shipping, Plus roadworthy and parts, It became quite expensive,
But I am more than Happy with my Old Coach, And I would do it again, If I needed another one,
I'm still a "wannabe." Not because I can't find a Foretravel in my price range, nor because they have flaws; but rather because I have not found "the one" yet. I already know that even if I buy a brand new one, there will be negatives and problems. I love this forum, and its people, and its existence is a big plus for the Foretravel, in my opinion. However, if nothing negative could be said, I would have no interest in coming here. I *know* there are plusses and minusses to everything, and especially everything mechanical. And I want to read about them both. If it's a mechanical "fact," I'm interested. If it's about one's philosophy on how much they spend on one, I'm still interested. If it's an opinion, I'm still interested (and may or may not agree). As long as comments are made intelligently and in good faith, bring them on.
(Which of course means you have a right to express your opinion too; but what bothered me about it was that it felt like an attempt to stifle discussion, both in this thread and on the forum in general.)
Alex
Which is barely less than the price of a decently-optioned new 2013 40' quad slide Nimbus Foretravel Texas (http://www.foretraveloftexas.com/view-inventory.php?id=494)
According to one inflation calculator, $275,000 in 1990 dollars is $492,090 in 2013 dollars
So, when you look at it like that, twice the coach for the same money. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
I find the older I become, the less important money becomes and the more important health for the DW & I becomes.
Guess I do not fully grasp the concern in this thread.
I completely agree. More money generally caused me more stress to deal with all those "things." Less stress equals better health for me and mine.
Amen to that. "Too soon old, too late wise." If money bought happiness we'd be listening to the latest Jimi Hendrix/Janis Joplin cuts.
Money can never replace health or common sense. I am certain y'all heard stories of lottery winners going bankrupt.
In the words of a close friend of mine: "I've been poor and happy and now I'm rich and happy. I think I like rich better."
All of us as Foretravel owners or wannabes are in the top 5% of the world as far as creature comfort. We are all probably in the top 10% of our communities. Most of us have gotten there by a lot of hard work and taking responsibility. Perhaps that's why we feel a connection no matter if we have an ORED with a 3208 or an IH-45.
Sitting here in the lot at FOT looking at the line of coaches I'm reminded of how blessed we are to live in a country where most of us came from families with modest means and we can now enjoy this lifestyle. What a great country. I hope we figure how to somehow pass the opportunity to our children and grandchildren.
Or to quote the cult guru...err, Indian mystic bagwan shree rajneesh "I can meditate just as well in the back seat of a Rolls Royce as an oxcart."
Yes, we are fortunate. I do see kids in general these days with a harder row to hoe than those of us who grew up during an incredible period of prosperity and growth. The G.I. generation took their hard licks along with the breaks for sure and the boomers after them enjoyed the same. To their credit, the younger kids I deal with have a changing set of ideals and norms to live by, such as genuine male/female friendships, breaking the debt cycle of car ownership for instance, and I feel they will persevere in the face of what we view as future deprivations. I see too many of them with experiences that uncomfortably parallel the Vietnam years and will be glad when they elect leaders who effectively govern into the new norm. Hopeful as always and attempting to stack the deck for my kids best I can.
"Sitting here in the lot at FOT looking at the line of coaches I'm reminded of how blessed we are to live in a country where most of us came from families with modest means and we can now enjoy this lifestyle. What a great country. I hope we figure how to somehow pass the opportunity to our children and grandchildren.
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Very well said.
Very well put, Describes most of us, Worked a lifetime for it and now enjoying the fruits of our labour,
Depending on your work opportunitys, You either Buy a Brand new One or an Older cheaper one,
The one thing you have all missed, Is we are all still here to enjoy it, Many did not make it,
The opportunitys are still there to be had, Getting the young motivated to do it, Well thats another story, Hahaha
Well, let me tell you folks that we are the poorest of the Foretravel owners and we love our coach. Pay it off in another three years. When mentioned that the discussion was getting off track I took some time and looked and I don't think the tracks are fastened down too tight on any discussion. My favorite was, when cutting a hole in the dash to put in another led screen, whether it was more favorable to own a plasma cutter or back hoe. This is just a lot of fun. Certainly a lot of good information. Just need to weed through it all to get to what you want. If it was "drop dead" "need it now information" I'd go to James or Mark. I enjoy the forum a lot and, no, I haven't decided who won on the plasma cutter/back hoe discussion.
Off track was that it was leafing to personal attacks. That is not allowed.
I don't think so with a 1996 U295 coach. :)
I would like to have a bigger FT with a diesel pusher, but it's not to be. So I enjoy what I have and count myself as blessed.
^Hear hear! :D
Hey Propman:
Did that. Not as good as Mark K. but got a Nimbus.
Ya know ... I don't think that anyone who was smart enough to buy one of these coaches can be considered "poor" in any sense. You have a wealth of good sense, a gold mine of information at your fingertips and a machine with a sterling reputation. If you don't have many $$$, it is only a detail.