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Title: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 22, 2014, 10:08:06 am
Is anyone familiar with this coach at MOT? 1999 Foretravel U270 36' Priced at $ 69500 (http://mot-production.herokuapp.com/coachrv/foretravel/1999--u270--36--C1729A) I had seen this coach a few days ago on the website without pictures, so I assume a possible sale might have fallen through since the pictures are there now. (Or am I assuming too much?)
While we aren't quite ready to buy, I saw this coach and almost started drooling. :) From the pictures at least, it looks fabulous. I also picked this as an example to show my wife why I like Foretravel. (I think she'll like the oak better than the traditional walnut, as I have heard her talk about coaches being too dark and all had the darker wood grains. At the very least, it will be a nice bridge between SOBs we've looked at and the full FT glory of walnut. :) )
I'm pretty sure there's a typo on the description, though, as it says the coach has three slides, and it looks to me like a no slide model. I do like that it has the three-burner cooktop. Even though my wife does not do much of the cooking, she has complained in the past whenever we see a coach with just a two-burner cooktop, so anything I can avoid to dissuade her about a model or brand is worthwhile. (How hard would it be to change the cooktop out, by the way?)
Last question: Assuming the coach is in as good condition as the pictures seem to indicate to me, is the asking price reasonable? Thanks.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: John Haygarth on August 22, 2014, 11:28:10 am
NO slides on the 99 270. Looks to be in decent shape. There are a few upgrades done, TV, headlights and a few more I definitly would do. A few Forum members have the 270 and may know what they think the price is like. This is a consignment coach so maybe MOT sold another one to owners or at least has some deal going. Could be very motivated. We have same size and very similar paint job JohnH
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: sawdust316 on August 22, 2014, 11:38:29 am
Good Morning:
Wish you could have posted this two days ago, we were parked right next to it at MOT. We were there for some emergency repair to the leveling system, long story.
We have a U270, 1998 purchased from MOT a year and a half ago. Had 109k on it now has 127k, We love the 36', it gets us into all the Nat. Parks with no problems. We did look at that coach while there very nice. DW didn't like the plaid that much, however everything else looked fine, well kept. As for the stove I believe it can be done very easily, naturally for a price. I do not know the milage but the headlight and paint does make it a little more valuable.
All in all it did look nice. Price, well it may be negotiable.
IMHO its a nice coach.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: bogeygolfer on August 22, 2014, 11:40:24 am
I have no personal knowledge of this coach, but from the photos it sure looks like a nice one. My experience (with other listings, not any of MOT's) with photos was that there are always things you see in person that you couldn't see in photos. However, I understand that MOT's are usually of better quality and very representative of the actual coach condition. Again, this one looks really nice to me.
Walnut vs. Oak: I think it's just a matter of personal preference. We have oak in our travel trailer and like it just fine. I had never seen walnut (of this quality) in a coach before looking at ours, and I really liked it when I saw it. Maybe your wife will, too. Also: walnut, to me, implies a higher quality of product overall (i.e., I've never seen walnut in any travel trailer) - and maybe that's because I've looked at so many trailers over the years of shopping that have the cheesy oak veneer/vinyl stuff.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 22, 2014, 11:43:57 am
Wish you could have posted this two days ago, we were parked right next to it at MOT. We were there for some emergency repair to the leveling system, long story.
We have a U270, 1998 purchased from MOT a year and a half ago. Had 109k on it now has 127k, We love the 36', it gets us into all the Nat. Parks with no problems. We did look at that coach while there very nice. DW didn't like the plaid that much, however everything else looked fine, well kept. As for the stove I believe it can be done very easily, naturally for a price. I do not know the milage but the headlight and paint does make it a little more valuable.
All in all it did look nice. Price, well it may be negotiable.
IMHO its a nice coach.
I think the pictures were just posted late yesterday. When I had looked earlier in the day, there was a description but no pictures.
John, out of curiosity, what additional upgrades would you do? I definitely like the look of the headlight upgrade. To me, at least, it makes these late 90s coaches look ten year newer.
Chris, I also like the walnut, but figured I might have a better chance of convincing my wife if I ease her into it. :D
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: bogeygolfer on August 22, 2014, 11:53:35 am
Walt, two additional thoughts that I wanted to pass along:
1. If she's worried about walnut being too dark - and therefore making the coach feel too small - I don't believe that's the case. These Foretravels have ample windows to allow ambient light inside if you wish, and also - there are plenty of ways to lighten up with other colors (floors, furniture, window treatments, etc). Ours doesn't have walnut walls (we have light wallpaper instead), so that lightens the interior also. But I'll also tell you - I've been in Rudy Leggett's coach (and Brett Wolfe's FT before that) with walnut walls, and they were gorgeous and I didn't feel like it was dark at all in there.
2. If I ever saw oak of the FT quality in person, I'd probably really like that too.
How's that for playing both sides of the fence?
Chris
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: John Haygarth on August 22, 2014, 11:58:15 am
Well first thing would be to build a short floor to ceiling wall to hide the toilet from kitchen/living area when door is open. I did that on the 240 and it made a big diference. Last thing you need is to see that looking at you if you forget to close slider. I too would change the cook top, should be a matter of getting new/used one and swapping out. I would install reels as Don did (but not critical). I do not like that cheap looking foldable table in living room so that would go and be replaced with real furniture piece. I of course would change fridge to res'd and do led's again through out. Not necessary changes but things I now know do make a big difference for us. Our washer/dryer was taken out and we gained lots of room for clothes. No big deal going to a Laundry once a week to wash/ plus NO chances for a catastrophy of water damage. JohnH
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: sawdust316 on August 22, 2014, 12:00:06 pm
I should add that we purchased our U270 sight unseen. MOT worked with us in sending photos of things they knew of that some folks object to. We live in Maine so getting to MOT was a little difficult. I have to say we have never looked back or regretted that purchase, this coach has been great. And MOT was every bit as great to deal with.
Norm,
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 22, 2014, 12:01:42 pm
Walt, two additional thoughts that I wanted to pass along:
1. If she's worried about walnut being too dark - and therefore making the coach feel too small - I don't believe that's the case. These Foretravels have ample windows to allow ambient light inside if you wish, and also - there are plenty of ways to lighten up with other colors (floors, furniture, window treatments, etc). Ours doesn't have walnut walls (we have light wallpaper instead), so that lightens the interior also. But I'll also tell you - I've been in Rudy Leggett's coach (and Brett Wolfe's FT before that) with walnut walls, and they were gorgeous and I didn't feel like it was dark at all in there.
2. If I ever saw oak of the FT quality in person, I'd probably really like that too.
How's that for playing both sides of the fence?
Chris
Chris, if both coaches ar FT, either side of the fence seems like a winner. :)
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 22, 2014, 12:04:52 pm
Well first thing would be to build a short floor to ceiling wall to hide the toilet from kitchen/living area when door is open. I did that on the 240 and it made a big diference. Last thing you need is to see that looking at you if you forget to close slider. I too would change the cook top, should be a matter of getting new/used one and swapping out. I would install reels as Don did (but not critical). I do not like that cheap looking foldable table in living room so that would go and be replaced with real furniture piece. I of course would change fridge to res'd and do led's again through out. Not necessary changes but things I now know do make a big difference for us. Our washer/dryer was taken out and we gained lots of room for clothes. No big deal going to a Laundry once a week to wash/ plus NO chances for a catastrophy of water damage. JohnH
Thanks for the added input. I need to take another look at the bathroom layout in those pictures. What you point out completely escaped me on first look. I think i'm also inclined to agree with you on the table. part of me does like that it folds down out of the way, but for some reason it also looks out of place on an FT coach.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 22, 2014, 12:21:48 pm
Walt.
Nice coach, not sure re cooktop, I had same coach, size and year, had two burner. DW is an amazing cook and two never held her back but she is organized.
Price may be a bit high, batteries and tires would need to be new, and all else very nice.
I sold mine 5 years ago for just over $60K because I got a great deal on my U-320. They do hold their value well as the get 15 years old or older
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 22, 2014, 12:44:57 pm
Nice coach, not sure re cooktop, I had same coach, size and year, had two burner. DW is an amazing cook and two never held her back but she is organized.
Price may be a bit high, batteries and tires would need to be new, and all else very nice.
I sold mine 5 years ago for just over $60K because I got a great deal on my U-320. They do hold their value well as the get 15 years old or older
Thanks, Tim. I wondered if the price might be a little on the high side. The description makes it sound like the interior has been either redone or almost never used.
I was surprised to see three-burner cooktop in the description. I do most of the cooking and would prefer a three-burner (I'm not as organized as your wife, I'm sure :) ) but would definitely not let a two-burner stop me from considering a coach. I like to cook outside whenever possible, anyway.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on August 22, 2014, 01:03:17 pm
Walt, I'm not familiar with this particular coach, but I like the looks of it. Very similar to our coach. We have done many upgrades, so I can relate to this coach well. Want to see my list of upgrades?
You are correct. It has no slides (good from my perspective). It has many outwardly visible upgrades from the original. A few that are I can see:
Interior has remnants of original 1999, but exterior is 2001 (it almost looks like a full body paint, but you would need to verify).
Headlights upgraded
Satellite dish added
Cabinet modification and Flat screen TV upgrade (Front)
AM/FM Stereo in dash changed
Opposing slide trays added
Remote locking added to bay doors
Kitchen sink faucet upgraded
Washer/Dryer added (funky door - not sure why - larger Splendide?)
Jack knife sofa redone in leather
If this many changes are visible, there are most likely many more that are not as visible.
Some visible opportunities: Power and water hose reels never added Mud skirt damaged
Looks like it could be low Mileage???
The original 3 burner stove is good quality and works as well or better than the 2 burner Gaggenau's -- just not as pretty. A 3 or 4 burner convection cooktop would be the chef's upgrade choice.
The original curbside table in this coach is not "outstanding", but does add valuable storage as well as utility. The original folding table (leaf, really) is high quality and not at all cheap or out of place. It closes (folds down) to be entirely unobtrusive, opens to provide needed desk and eating space for both curbside chairs. If someone tries to sit on it, it will break, but other than that, it is good and rugged. Probably the tables's biggest drawback is that the good storage is hampered by the design (one has to get down low to put things in and out of the amply adjustable and 8" deep storage shelves).
Even considering the upgrades, the price may be slightly optimistic (maybe $5 to 7K? ) but the coach does appear to be unusually nice. If the tires, batteries and maintenance has been good and it has been well documented, it could well be worth the asking price. Neal
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 22, 2014, 01:07:21 pm
Thanks, Neal! I'll take a closer look at the pictures. I just knew it looked good at first glance. :) Taking another look through the pictures, I now see the wiring for the remote locking on the bay doors. I'd have never guessed. I also see what you mean about the doors that enclose the washer/dryer. Missed that the first two times as well. My wife did ask if the exterior was full body paint or decals, and I wasn't sure, either.
The mileage on this coach is simply listed as "Miles." Could this be an indication of an issue with the speedometer/odometer? Thanks, again.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Michelle on August 22, 2014, 02:03:56 pm
The mileage on this coach is simply listed as "Miles." Could this be an indication of an issue with the speedometer/odometer? Thanks, again.
Walt,
Most likely they just haven't finished doing the web listing (probably have a generic template).
Just give Mel Cordray a call or a PM (he's a member here on the Forum). Mel's one of the MOT salesmen and is very helpful with extra photos and questions on specific coaches.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Don & Tys on August 22, 2014, 02:04:17 pm
Different strokes... I would not want a partition along side the toilet, as we like the feeling of spaciousness that we get with the bathroom layout. But making these coaches our own is half the joy of ownership, right? ;D On our coach, you have to be close to the window at the dining table to even see part of the toilet with the sliding door open. Of course, if in use, the door is closed anyway. To me, every inch of floor space is golden and I would be very reluctant to part with any of it. Example, when I installed our washer/Dryer, I had to go to great length to fit the vented Splendid 2100XC in the cabinet without having to add a bumpout to close the doors like the coach at MOT. A few pictures... Anyway, the metal frame work of the wall has a horizontal member right where the dryer vent lines up so I had to make a periscope to miss the steel frame and riveted an adapter to fit the dryer vent directly with out adding a vent hose (which would be an obstruction to the free flow anyway). As it is, the Washer is only 2" off the wall and the door closes with ⅛" to spare. To avoid potential water catastrophe, I installed a tray made by Splendide that comes in two pieces which are sealed by a mastic after you cut the tray down to size (if needed) and added a drain to the tray that exits the bottom of the coach along with all the other drains. Barry Brideau's indispensible beamalarm website has a nice page that has a write up on the drain pan install; Splendide Overflow Drain Pan (http://beamalarm.com/Documents/Modifications/splendide_overflow_drain_pan.html)
Well first thing would be to build a short floor to ceiling wall to hide the toilet from kitchen/living area when door is open. I did that on the 240 and it made a big diference. Last thing you need is to see that looking at you if you forget to close slider. ... Our washer/dryer was taken out and we gained lots of room for clothes. No big deal going to a Laundry once a week to wash/ plus NO chances for a catastrophy of water damage. JohnH
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Michelle on August 22, 2014, 02:09:10 pm
Thanks for the added input. I need to take another look at the bathroom layout in those pictures. What you point out completely escaped me on first look. I think i'm also inclined to agree with you on the table. part of me does like that it folds down out of the way, but for some reason it also looks out of place on an FT coach.
For a remodel idea on that table area, especially for fulltiming, check out Dave Katsuki's desk Need computer desk ideas and pics... (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=14627.msg85949#msg85949)
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 22, 2014, 02:21:36 pm
Thanks to everyone for the replies. As I stated initially, I don't think we can buy yet, but this coach just caught my eye, so I had to know more. One thing I've learned is to look even more closely at the pictures. :) I mainly wanted to get an idea as to whether the pricing was in the ballpark as far as where it should be for a model of this vintage.
In the meantime, I've been catching up on my FT reading, starting with the oldest page of the Foretravel Discussions forum and working my way forward. Just 28 pages to go. :D
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 22, 2014, 02:22:07 pm
Yup, 90% of my cooking is outside, two is plenty, if you need. 3 occasionally, get a single propane or induction and an electric fry pan. Great for outside too
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 22, 2014, 02:24:21 pm
IF they make it to the web , they go up without pictures first, and pictures often added later. Bet it is consignment based in price
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Twig on August 22, 2014, 05:18:15 pm
I have friends in Canada that paid $75K for a '99 40 footer U320 with safari interior 5 years ago, also from MOT. It's all about hunger.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 22, 2014, 05:36:45 pm
For a remodel idea on that table area, especially for fulltiming, check out Dave Katsuki's desk Need computer desk ideas and pics... (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=14627.msg85949#msg85949)
I'd seen that a while back and forgotten about it. Very nice indeed, although I think DW would frown at losing the recliner. On the other hand, it would certainly serve as inspiration.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 22, 2014, 05:41:36 pm
Which was my comment too at the beginning of these Posts JohnH
Sorry about that. I'd forgotten you'd said that this morning, but this morning was so long ago. :D I had searched for the meaning of the "C" after taking a second look at the pictures and description.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: D.J. Osborn on August 22, 2014, 06:16:09 pm
It looks as if it's a very nice coach. However, I think the price is perhaps $10,000 too high. There are a number of bargains out there, but this one--even though it's nice--doesn't strike me as a bargain.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: rbark on August 22, 2014, 09:20:24 pm
Wealth, offer them $ 55,000 as a starting price and work from there. Nothing to loose. Richard B.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 24, 2014, 10:11:01 pm
It looks as if it's a very nice coach. However, I think the price is perhaps $10,000 too high. There are a number of bargains out there, but this one--even though it's nice--doesn't strike me as a bargain.
I kind of thought it was a bit high and wanted some other more experienced voices to weigh in. Thanks.
The price makes it a bit easier to watch this one go to someone else. (The timing isn't quite right for us, and I couldn't convince DW otherwise.) DW was a bit concerned about what she thought was a lack of interior storage in the bedroom since there aren't any slides. (On the up side, I did finally get her to look at a couple of the MOT videos. So the seed has been planted.) If I can somehow get her in a coach of the same vintage as this one I might be able to change her mind. She hasn't completely ruled out no slides, but she said it would be a tough sell.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: rbark on August 24, 2014, 10:44:16 pm
Walt, you get more storage with no slides.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Dave Cobb on August 24, 2014, 10:57:21 pm
You sure do! With a bedroom slide, you loose the side wall cabinets, and the rear cabinets are not as deep, fore and aft. You also loose the corner triangle cabinet with mirrored top cabinet some use for makeup, and lower double door cabinet and the narrow counter top.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 24, 2014, 11:31:26 pm
You sure do! With a bedroom slide, you loose the side wall cabinets, and the rear cabinets are not as deep, fore and aft. You also loose the corner triangle cabinet with mirrored top cabinet some use for makeup, and lower double door cabinet and the narrow counter top.
You're preaching to the choir here. :) I like the layouts of the no-slide coaches I've seen much better. I think she's also concerned about a perceived lack of interior space in no-slide models. Now, if I get her into a no-slide model, and she doesn't think there's enough interior storage in the bedroom area, I may have difficulty convincing her that a FT is the way to go. When the time comes to full-time, I think i could probably be happy in anything on wheels (within reason), but more and more I feel I'd be happiest in an FT.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Michael & Jackie on August 25, 2014, 01:11:05 am
Just to mention.....I may prefer the no slide to avoid the threat of a bladder failure, but having a slide does not mean that you must have a bedroom slide! We had both coach designs.....one with two slides, including the bedroom, and now a one slide coach (LR) with none in BR. The one slide is not an option for DW.
Just saying it is an alternative to have only one slide, in some years. We do not suffer at all from a lack of storage, but like a gas, we could fill it all!
mike
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Caflashbob on August 25, 2014, 03:28:54 am
The front lift up table in the 99 270 is a travco table. Foretravel had the drop leafs
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: D.J. Osborn on August 25, 2014, 06:40:21 am
DW was a bit concerned about what she thought was a lack of interior storage in the bedroom since there aren't any slides. (On the up side, I did finally get her to look at a couple of the MOT videos. So the seed has been planted.) If I can somehow get her in a coach of the same vintage as this one I might be able to change her mind. She hasn't completely ruled out no slides, but she said it would be a tough sell.
If you want the maximum storage space, then I recommend you try to find a 40 ft no-tag-axle, no-slide, no-separate-room-for-the-toilet coach such as our 1995 U320. It has a tremendous amount of storage space (both inside and in the basement) and none of the hassles associated with a slide. For us, it seems to be the perfect coach.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Dan Stansel on August 25, 2014, 08:22:24 am
Late to post on this one but just realized this is my old coach. I did the paint at extreme and extreme did the headlights. New led tv and antenna. Previous owner did the seats. I think they came from Red Bay tiffin product as the previous owner lived in NC. Great coach and had minor issues with it as it was almost maintenance free for us. Have to say we sold it to get more room. 36 and no slides get mighty small for 3 to 4 people. We love the 40 295 and 2 slides we have now and would not go back. The asking price is more than we got when we sold it so hang in there on the price, there should be room to negotiate but I do not know what the owner after me did to improve the coach. Looks the same. Really a nice coach and the outside paint (no white painted, that's original) is just like new. The headlights are worth every penny (miss them). 36 is easy to drive. Questions just ask. DAN
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 09:15:30 am
If you want the maximum storage space, then I recommend you try to find a 40 ft no-tag-axle, no-slide, no-separate-room-for-the-toilet coach such as our 1995 U320. It has a tremendous amount of storage space (both inside and in the basement) and none of the hassles associated with a slide. For us, it seems to be the perfect coach.
I could be tempted by a 40-foot coach, but DW says no. She won't even consider 38-feet at this point; she says it's too long. While showing her a couple of MOT videos last night, I thought she was going to say 36-feet is too long, and if the 36-foot models are much over 36-feet, she will.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 09:17:19 am
Late to post on this one but just realized this is my old coach. I did the paint at extreme and extreme did the headlights. New led tv and antenna. Previous owner did the seats. I think they came from Red Bay tiffin product as the previous owner lived in NC. Great coach and had minor issues with it as it was almost maintenance free for us. Have to say we sold it to get more room. 36 and no slides get mighty small for 3 to 4 people. We love the 40 295 and 2 slides we have now and would not go back. The asking price is more than we got when we sold it so hang in there on the price, there should be room to negotiate but I do not know what the owner after me did to improve the coach. Looks the same. Really a nice coach and the outside paint (no white painted, that's original) is just like new. The headlights are worth every penny (miss them). 36 is easy to drive. Questions just ask. DAN
It would likely be just the two of us, except for the occasional trip with our autistic 18-year old son. It is a great looking coach, but I think I need to do some more work on my wife before we are ready to take the plunge. :)
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 25, 2014, 09:23:26 am
quite firm in opinion for someone who hasn't been in one or seen one live. Â The joys of matrimony...
Good luck Walt, it looks like you will need it!
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Dan Stansel on August 25, 2014, 10:46:08 am
It does take more room to turn the 40 but after you have it for a while driving the 40 over the 36 is all the same. Get what you want and need the first time for its costly to trade up. Just enjoy whatever you get. Sometimes, part of the fun is the hunt.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: jake62 on August 25, 2014, 11:14:39 am
Walt,
Since I'll be doing the driving, I want a 42' with slides. I actually wouldn't mind a 45', but I think I would have to go to a newer FT like the Phenix. DW has no problem with that. Her main issue is price and not sinking a ton a money into a depreciating asset. Now, should I die somewhere on the highway, she'd call a cab and send the FT to the auction.
I think the advantage of 36' is simply getting into some NPs; however, we plan to full-time and I'm not sure if that would be too cozy for us for the next few years, especially without any slides, but I'd like to hear from those of you who have full-timed in a 36'.
The other question is how much to set aside for "upgrades" on a used coach in the late 90s' or early '00s? What has been your experience from purchasing a coach at around $100-200K that's a 2001-2008 and how much money did you put into it to add some of today's technogolies, i.e., HDTV, Aqua Hot, RR w/inveter-batts, etc.?
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 11:19:43 am
quite firm in opinion for someone who hasn't been in one or seen one live. Â The joys of matrimony...
Good luck Walt, it looks like you will need it!
She can be very firm once she's made her mind up. Her opinion on length is based on seeing other coaches of 40-feet. Since length is pretty much the same regardless of brand, I don't think I'll be able to shake her on that one.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 11:22:23 am
It does take more room to turn the 40 but after you have it for a while driving the 40 over the 36 is all the same. Get what you want and need the first time for its costly to trade up. Just enjoy whatever you get. Sometimes, part of the fun is the hunt.
I understand. I think we really have one shot at this, and I'd like to get it right.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: John Haygarth on August 25, 2014, 11:32:59 am
It is MHO that (again) before you do any more soul searching on what to add/delete etc etc etc with the FT brand of coach's both of you together should spend the next 12 months actually visiting many units for sale and make a simple spread sheet on likes and dislikes. This alone will answer many of your problems then after all thatyou will see why this group of people prefer the make we have. I spent around 4 yrs looking looking while enjoying the class D van (and totally rebuilding that one too) then a C we had. I knew I wanted to move up a touch and looked at all makes. One evening while in Yuma we saw a coach I did not know existed (FT) and just had 5 mins to walk thru it before the guy closed up. That did it for me and the hunt THEN was on for a FT I could afford. I did not waste any energy prior to that on a particular brand, just getting to know the ins and outs of all of them. I suggest you both attack it in a similar fashion seeing there is a bit of "difference of opinion" as I read between the lines. JohnH
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 12:24:10 pm
Since I'll be doing the driving, I want a 42' with slides. I actually wouldn't mind a 45', but I think I would have to go to a newer FT like the Phenix. DW has no problem with that. Her main issue is price and not sinking a ton a money into a depreciating asset. Now, should I die somewhere on the highway, she'd call a cab and send the FT to the auction.
I think the advantage of 36' is simply getting into some NPs; however, we plan to full-time and I'm not sure if that would be too cozy for us for the next few years, especially without any slides, but I'd like to hear from those of you who have full-timed in a 36'.
The other question is how much to set aside for "upgrades" on a used coach in the late 90s' or early '00s? What has been your experience from purchasing a coach at around $100-200K that's a 2001-2008 and how much money did you put into it to add some of today's technogolies, i.e., HDTV, Aqua Hot, RR w/inveter-batts, etc.?
When we buy, it will be our first coach. We currently have a fifth wheel. We've had to put some money into repairs but have not done any upgrades to it.
We also would be using this coach to full-time in once we are able to do that and as a getaway coach prior to that. I have read elsewhere on the forum that budgeting 10-15% of the purchase price for repairs and upgrades the first year is wise (the newer the coach, the lower the percentage as I read it) and maybe 5% a year after that for repairs and maintenance (if I remember correctly).
I do know that people successfully full-time in RVs of varying types and lengths. We hope to do some boondocking, some Forest Service campgrounds, some state and national parks and the like, and probably stay away from private RV parks as much as possible. All of that would seem to make the 36-foot length as long as we would be comfortable with. For the moment, at least, that's as long as my wife is comfortable with.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: ltg on August 25, 2014, 12:47:35 pm
Since I'll be doing the driving, I want a 42' with slides. I actually wouldn't mind a 45', but I think I would have to go to a newer FT like the Phenix. DW has no problem with that. Her main issue is price and not sinking a ton a money into a depreciating asset. Now, should I die somewhere on the highway, she'd call a cab and send the FT to the auction.
purchasing a coach at around $100-200K that's a 2001-2008
I believe that the $100-200K range has restricted the number of 42' or 45' coaches available. And certainly no 2008 models.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Ted & Karen on August 25, 2014, 01:10:46 pm
We have been full timing in our 36 ft U270 for 6.5 years now. No slide, but the layout is great for us. This year we did put new tires , 8 new air bags, and replaced a bad lift pump along with normal maintenance. Hope to continue traveling in this same coach for 10+ years more- only has 119,000 miles on it.
We have everything we need and most of what we want, so we are enjoying it.
Find the coach that you like and fits your needs and budget, then travel and have fun.
Best of luck in your search.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 01:22:06 pm
It is MHO that (again) before you do any more soul searching on what to add/delete etc etc etc with the FT brand of coach's both of you together should spend the next 12 months actually visiting many units for sale and make a simple spread sheet on likes and dislikes. This alone will answer many of your problems then after all thatyou will see why this group of people prefer the make we have. I spent around 4 yrs looking looking while enjoying the class D van (and totally rebuilding that one too) then a C we had. I knew I wanted to move up a touch and looked at all makes. One evening while in Yuma we saw a coach I did not know existed (FT) and just had 5 mins to walk thru it before the guy closed up. That did it for me and the hunt THEN was on for a FT I could afford. I did not waste any energy prior to that on a particular brand, just getting to know the ins and outs of all of them. I suggest you both attack it in a similar fashion seeing there is a bit of "difference of opinion" as I read between the lines. JohnH
A sensible approach, and we do have some idea of the things we like and don't like. While there are a number of coaches for sale in and around our area, most of them are brands we would never consider (and no FTs). Because we both still work and have a special needs son at home, taking a long trip to see a coach is difficult, even though we've discussed the possibility that we would have to travel, given the seeming scarcity of quality coaches in our area and the tendency to greatly overprice them.
This turned into a longer conversation than I had meant for it to. In my original post, i was simply curious about the coach and wondered whether it looked as good to more experienced eyes as it did to mine. (Sort of an idea as to whether I have an eye for quality, as it were.)
Maybe I'm just too anxious. I've been ready to move to a coach for a couple of years now. :)
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 01:24:08 pm
We have been full timing in our 36 ft U270 for 6.5 years now. No slide, but the layout is great for us. This year we did put new tires , 8 new air bags, and replaced a bad lift pump along with normal maintenance. Hope to continue traveling in this same coach for 10+ years more- only has 119,000 miles on it.
We have everything we need and most of what we want, so we are enjoying it.
Find the coach that you like and fits your needs and budget, then travel and have fun.
Best of luck in your search.
Thanks. I do like the look of the 36-foot units I've seen.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: D.J. Osborn on August 25, 2014, 01:54:06 pm
She can be very firm once she's made her mind up. Her opinion on length is based on seeing other coaches of 40-feet. Since length is pretty much the same regardless of brand, I don't think I'll be able to shake her on that one.
I won't try to argue with you (or with your wife through you) but I do suggest the following:
I know a 40-ft Foretravel looks big; to some people it looks really big. However, it doesn't drive as big as it looks. It is surprisingly maneuverable, and the extra four feet in length rarely become a factor when driving or maneuvering. More importantly, those extra four feet make a huge difference in the basement storage, and I think they make perhaps an even larger difference in the interior storage. Consider that with the aisle down the center of the motorhome those extra four feet are gained on both sides of that center aisle, so that in effect eight feet of additional storage space is gained.
I would suggest that you and your wife compare similar models in the 36-ft and 40-ft lengths. For us the difference in the interior was so dramatic that it made the decision very easy. The tradeoff between maneuverability and storage space easily let us choose the extra storage space. We haven't regretted it!
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 02:14:08 pm
I won't try to argue with you (or with your wife through you) but I do suggest the following:
I know a 40-ft Foretravel looks big; to some people it looks really big. However, it doesn't drive as big as it looks. It is surprisingly maneuverable, and the extra four feet in length rarely become a factor when driving or maneuvering. More importantly, those extra four feet make a huge difference in the basement storage, and I think they make perhaps an even larger difference in the interior storage. Consider that with the aisle down the center of the motorhome those extra four feet are gained on both sides of that center aisle, so that in effect eight feet of additional storage space is gained.
I would suggest that you and your wife compare similar models in the 36-ft and 40-ft lengths. For us the difference in the interior was so dramatic that it made the decision very easy. The tradeoff between maneuverability and storage space easily let us choose the extra storage space. We haven't regretted it!
I'm not opposed to a 40-footer out of hand. I need to clarify with her what her specific objections to the longer length are. I do know she has used the phrase "bowling alley" to describe the living area of some longer coaches, including one FT I showed her a video of last night. While i know that interiors can be changed, I also know she does not want to have to have a lot of renovation done simply to make it livable in her eyes. I don't honestly know whether the driveability has entered into her thinking. It certainly has not come up in the conversation.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Tom Lang on August 25, 2014, 04:28:36 pm
Remember that 40' Foretravels come with or without a tag axle. The tag axle models may have better road manors and are more maneuverable with the tag lifted. Non tag axles have a longer wheel base and are less maneuverable in tight quarters. On the other hand, the tag axle takes away from basement storage.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: D.J. Osborn on August 25, 2014, 08:34:39 pm
Remember that 40' Foretravels come with or without a tag axle. The tag axle models may have better road manors and are more maneuverable with the tag lifted. Non tag axles have a longer wheel base and are less maneuverable in tight quarters. On the other hand, the tag axle takes away from basement storage.
The newer ones (with slides) are heavier and need the tag axle. My 1995 has no slides and no need for a tag axle. I've heard that the ones with a tag axle handle very nicely, but quite frankly mine handles so well that I can't imagine a tag axle would improve its handling. I really do appreciate the large basement storage bays.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: kb0zke on August 25, 2014, 09:36:21 pm
Walt, we spent a couple of years researching and discussing what we had learned. At first Jo Ann wanted slides, but as we researched we realized that there are both advantages and disadvantages to them. We also started out thinking that a motor home was too expensive to drive because we focused on that 5-8 mpg number. Once we figured out a MH can tow a more fuel-efficient vehicle (duh!) we started looking at how many miles in (with) the RV and how many miles without for a year what what the total fuel bill would be. At that point we also started remembering that with any towed RV the truck would be our daily driver, and then it was all MH - no towed RV for us. Our price range then pretty much limited us to coaches without slides, and by that time Jo Ann had realized that we weren't giving up all that much. Just that portion of our research took about six months.
The point I'm making is that you two need to spend some time each week discussing your wants and needs, and when there are differences of opinion (and there will be) you'll have to figure out some way to resolve it. Looking at various coaches is a bit help. There are only so many ways to arrange the interior of a box, so you can look at all sorts of brands and prices to see the different layouts. After you've looked at a few, go have a cup of coffee and discuss what you saw and how each one might work (or not work) for you. Ignore the price and condition at this point - you are only looking at various floor plans. Then look at Foretravel Specifications, Floor Plans, Photos & Brochures by Year (https://wiki.foreforums.com/doku.php?id=through_the_years:specs) in the years you are interested in to find a floor plan that is close to what you like.
Enjoy the research and the hunt.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Tom Lang on August 25, 2014, 10:00:35 pm
Bear in mind that the brochure floor plans are not the all inclusive list. A number of coaches were built to customer specifications. Mine happens to be one that does not appear in the brochures. I remember seeing another new Foretravel at an RV show around 7-8 years ago that was not in the brochure (the shower stall was in the bedroom).
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: kb0zke on August 25, 2014, 10:26:08 pm
True, but I would bet that there are far more plans-built coaches than custom ones. That might also be a point worth remembering when touring a brand that is more often than not a custom coach (Newell comes to mind here). If you see an unusual arrangement that is just perfect you may as well buy that coach because you probably won't find another one like it. If you see the same arrangement frequently chances are that you can find one pretty much like it in a Foretravel.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 10:41:59 pm
Walt, we spent a couple of years researching and discussing what we had learned. At first Jo Ann wanted slides, but as we researched we realized that there are both advantages and disadvantages to them. We also started out thinking that a motor home was too expensive to drive because we focused on that 5-8 mpg number. Once we figured out a MH can tow a more fuel-efficient vehicle (duh!) we started looking at how many miles in (with) the RV and how many miles without for a year what what the total fuel bill would be. At that point we also started remembering that with any towed RV the truck would be our daily driver, and then it was all MH - no towed RV for us. Our price range then pretty much limited us to coaches without slides, and by that time Jo Ann had realized that we weren't giving up all that much. Just that portion of our research took about six months.
The point I'm making is that you two need to spend some time each week discussing your wants and needs, and when there are differences of opinion (and there will be) you'll have to figure out some way to resolve it. Looking at various coaches is a bit help. There are only so many ways to arrange the interior of a box, so you can look at all sorts of brands and prices to see the different layouts. After you've looked at a few, go have a cup of coffee and discuss what you saw and how each one might work (or not work) for you. Ignore the price and condition at this point - you are only looking at various floor plans. Then look at Foretravel Specifications, Floor Plans, Photos & Brochures by Year (https://wiki.foreforums.com/doku.php?id=through_the_years:specs) in the years you are interested in to find a floor plan that is close to what you like.
Enjoy the research and the hunt.
The one thing we have agreed on is that it will be a motorhome. We've already bought the Jeep to tow behind one. :D Besides, our F-350 dually doesn't allow for much in the way of back roads exploration. I'll send her to Barry's website. She's already asked for brochures as me talking about it isn't quite the same thing.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Twig on August 25, 2014, 10:45:27 pm
You need to get hold of deputydick. He has one for sale.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 11:11:38 pm
You need to get hold of deputydick. He has one for sale.
DW says the timetable is two more years, mainly because that is when the extended warranty on the truck expires. When she gave me the financial update tonight, there was a hint that we might be ready financially in a year, so I need to try and be patient. Gosh, it's hard. :)
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Tom Lang on August 25, 2014, 11:12:34 pm
True, but I would bet that there are far more plans-built coaches than custom ones. That might also be a point worth remembering when touring a brand that is more often than not a custom coach (Newell comes to mind here). If you see an unusual arrangement that is just perfect you may as well buy that coach because you probably won't find another one like it. If you see the same arrangement frequently chances are that you can find one pretty much like it in a Foretravel.
Exactly. Ours is very rare, no more than four ever built. We fell in love with the 38' single slide model with no tag axle (not found in the brochure) and an unbeatable color scheme, inside and out.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Tom Lang on August 25, 2014, 11:14:50 pm
DW says the timetable is two more years, mainly because that is when the extended warranty on the truck expires. When she gave me the financial update tonight, there was a hint that we might be ready financially in a year, so I need to try and be patient. Gosh, it's hard. :)
ok
sure
We were in the same boat when we found our Foretravel. DW said no serious looking until we sold the old motorhome.
We were a two motorhome family for a few months.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 25, 2014, 11:32:36 pm
FWIW, extended warranties I think are Insurance policies, not actual warranties, and in most states you can get a refund on the unused (and therefor unearned) premium. So you might check on the refund possibility if you move sooner. Â There is a nice $39K coach, which is probably $10-15K under market available, if it was what I want that would seem to be a pretty strong incentive and hard to beat pay back vs. worrying about an extended warranty. Â Sometimes we spend a lot of time saving dimes and walking past dollars. Â I am guilty for sure!
Of course there will always be "this week's deal of a lifetime" occurring sometime next week....:-)
That being said and off topic, my son now LOVES his F350 2006 Crew Cab 4x4 Long bed Ford Lariat with the 6.0 Powerstroke diesel. Â That is after overhauling motor,(they take the cab off to do this...) new ARP head studs, reworked heads (new valve seats), new head gaskets, Â $1,000 worth of "sinister" coolant and 2 micron oil filters, along with $3,000 worth of Bulletproof aftermarket oil cooler modifications and their improved EGR cooler. Â So after about $7,500 (total with parts) in repairs at 177,000 miles, it is running amazingly well.
he intends to keep it to 500,000 miles (and he will need to to get his money out of it.) Not Ford's finest moment....when they brought these out...
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Caflashbob on August 25, 2014, 11:33:58 pm
I find somewhat of a contradiction in some posts here.
Seems to be two different groups. Subgroups in each, of course.
There are a group of owners that are content with basically driving what their coach came with basically and do minor to medium upgrades and mods.
The second group upgrades their coach in full paint and front cap mods.
Seems like a $25k mod. Plus any interior mods.
Problem is the resale prices do not seem to reflect the money spent.
"too high" after spending $25-$30k would mean I made a mistake.
Sounds like anyone doing extensive upgrades better be prepared to basically eat the costs.
Or like I have posted "drive it out of the coach".
Seems like normal if you put much money in a coach be prepared to drive the coach for a while.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 11:49:44 pm
FWIW, extended warranties I think are Insurance policies, not actual warranties, and in most states you can get a refund on the unused (and therefor unearned) premium. So you might check on the refund possibility if you move sooner. Â There is a nice $39K coach, which is probably $10-15K under market available, if it was what I want that would seem to be a pretty strong incentive and hard to beat pay back vs. worrying about an extended warranty. Â Sometimes we spend a lot of time saving dimes and walking past dollars. Â I am guilty for sure!
Of course there will always be "this week's deal of a lifetime" occurring sometime next week....:-)
That being said and off topic, my son now LOVES his F350 2006 Crew Cab 4x4 Long bed Ford Lariat with the 6.0 Powerstroke diesel. Â That is after overhauling motor,(they take the cab off to do this...) new ARP head studs, reworked heads (new valve seats), new head gaskets, Â $1,000 worth of "sinister" coolant and 2 micron oil filters, along with $3,000 worth of Bulletproof aftermarket oil cooler modifications and their improved EGR cooler. Â So after about $7,500 (total with parts) in repairs at 177,000 miles, it is running amazingly well.
he intends to keep it to 500,000 miles (and he will need to to get his money out of it.) Not Ford's finest moment....when they brought these out...
That's the same exact model we have (except for the 4x4 part). The extended warranty saved us probably $4-5,000 even after renewing it. In the four-plus years we've owned the truck, we've had a number of pieces replaced, including the engine block, most of it on Ford's dime after the deductible.
I believe our warranty is also transferable, but I suspect we'll wait until the warranty expires. Once DW has a chance to read some of the material on FTs, though, who knows?
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 11:51:42 pm
We were in the same boat when we found our Foretravel. DW said no serious looking until we sold the old motorhome.
We were a two motorhome family for a few months.
We've already decided we'll sell the fifth-wheel (and likely the truck) after we buy whatever we end up buying. That money may end up seeding our maintenance fund but won't be used to inflate our budget of what we can spend on a coach.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 25, 2014, 11:54:37 pm
I find somewhat of a contradiction in some posts here.
Seems to be two different groups. Subgroups in each, of course.
There are a group of owners that are content with basically driving what their coach came with basically and do minor to medium upgrades and mods.
The second group upgrades their coach in full paint and front cap mods.
Seems like a $25k mod. Plus any interior mods.
Problem is the resale prices do not seem to reflect the money spent.
"too high" after spending $25-$30k would mean I made a mistake.
Sounds like anyone doing extensive upgrades better be prepared to basically eat the costs.
Or like I have posted "drive it out of the coach".
Seems like normal if you put much money in a coach be prepared to drive the coach for a while.
We haven't really talked about it, but I think our plan is to get a good coach that we can one day full-time in and keep it until or unless it no longer meets our needs. That's why FT appeals to me. I'd rather find an older, quality-built coach and put money into maintaining it than buy a newer coach that might not last ten or more years.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 26, 2014, 12:37:27 am
Agree. Numbers don't support RV ownership at all. Next step is buy good stuff and keep. Then buy older good stuff and upgrade. Then buy old stuff and use as is. Each option has its cost, devotees and value prop. Pay what you want and what you can afford. Lots of good FT options depending on your personality and budget
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 28, 2014, 02:53:23 pm
Looks like this coach is sale pending at MOT.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 28, 2014, 03:30:38 pm
If I may, This reminds me of my neighbors who know more about my business than I do. Who cares what I spend on my toys, I am not looking at an investment, there is never going to be a money making RV experience that I can see, so why worry about it, either you want it and can afford it or you can not.
The part I hate to see is when people get that dazed look and over spend their ability, jump in, and then have to dump it for money reasons, always a looser.
I know I have way more money in my toy than I can ever expect to recover, but I am the happy kid. It does not change what I have for breakfast nor where I sleep. When I am tired or done with it, it is nearly worthless and I do not care. What is more important is having a very trust worthy coach that every feature acts correct, drives correct, handles correct, engine & transmission work as designed and of course the generator does its thing correct. Yes I probably spend a little more than some on some items, but no need to concern anyone.
Ya'll enjoy
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Tom Lang on August 28, 2014, 05:05:31 pm
If I may, This reminds me of my neighbors who know more about my business than I do. Who cares what I spend on my toys, I am not looking at an investment, there is never going to be a money making RV experience that I can see, so why worry about it, either you want it and can afford it or you can not.
The part I hate to see is when people get that dazed look and over spend their ability, jump in, and then have to dump it for money reasons, always a looser.
I know I have way more money in my toy than I can ever expect to recover, but I am the happy kid. It does not change what I have for breakfast nor where I sleep. When I am tired or done with it, it is nearly worthless and I do not care. What is more important is having a very trust worthy coach that every feature acts correct, drives correct, handles correct, engine & transmission work as designed and of course the generator does its thing correct. Yes I probably spend a little more than some on some items, but no need to concern anyone.
Ya'll enjoy
I agree.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 28, 2014, 06:00:28 pm
If I may, This reminds me of my neighbors who know more about my business than I do. Who cares what I spend on my toys, I am not looking at an investment, there is never going to be a money making RV experience that I can see, so why worry about it, either you want it and can afford it or you can not.
The part I hate to see is when people get that dazed look and over spend their ability, jump in, and then have to dump it for money reasons, always a looser.
I know I have way more money in my toy than I can ever expect to recover, but I am the happy kid. It does not change what I have for breakfast nor where I sleep. When I am tired or done with it, it is nearly worthless and I do not care. What is more important is having a very trust worthy coach that every feature acts correct, drives correct, handles correct, engine & transmission work as designed and of course the generator does its thing correct. Yes I probably spend a little more than some on some items, but no need to concern anyone.
Ya'll enjoy
While an RV is not an investment in the financial sense, for us (I think) it is an investment in a lifestyle, one that we happen to enjoy and hope in a few years to pursue full-time. I definitely want it (as does my wife), and i think we can afford to do something now. My wife, being more frugal and more prudent, says we need to bide our time and be patient. She has not decided on a particular brand when the time comes. I have all but zeroed in on an FT coach, in part because of this great forum.
Until that time comes, I'll go back to catching up on my reading. I still have 20 pages of posts on the Foretravel Discussions board alone to scan through. :)
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Miz Dani on August 28, 2014, 06:11:36 pm
If I may, This reminds me of my neighbors who know more about my business than I do. Who cares what I spend on my toys, I am not looking at an investment, there is never going to be a money making RV experience that I can see, so why worry about it, either you want it and can afford it or you can not.
The part I hate to see is when people get that dazed look and over spend their ability, jump in, and then have to dump it for money reasons, always a looser.
I know I have way more money in my toy than I can ever expect to recover, but I am the happy kid. It does not change what I have for breakfast nor where I sleep. When I am tired or done with it, it is nearly worthless and I do not care. What is more important is having a very trust worthy coach that every feature acts correct, drives correct, handles correct, engine & transmission work as designed and of course the generator does its thing correct. Yes I probably spend a little more than some on some items, but no need to concern anyone.
Ya'll enjoy
Dave, excellent point! "A happy kid." I like it! As one who got (what 1st appeared to be) a "bargain" coach, I'm still a happy kid.....even though the $ was soon doubled, making her roadworthy mechanically/structurally, making her prettier on the outside, & having her insides spruced up, I'm still ecstatic with my beautiful FT.
At this point it matters not what's been spent, this classic & "first class" beauty is saving my life! I still get goose bumps every time I get in & drive her. She's a dream come true, tho' it took a bit to get her that way, it's well worth it, to be driving the finest motor coach on the planet.
Walt, a word or two: do be wary of any coach that's been sitting for awhile, try to be patient (yes it's very hard!) but sooner or later the right one will come along. I might have waited awhile longer but I'm still happy I decided to take the plunge. With less than 42,000 miles on her, there's plenty of room to go a whole lot more!
Happy trails, all....
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 28, 2014, 06:24:57 pm
Miz Dani, I surely am one lucky kid, purchased my 2001 36' 320 at MOT about 6.5 yrs ago, never seen it, only pix but brother said it was good, worked the deal on phone, took check from bank & drove hone. Have spent about $50,000 on "make me happy stuff" and about $2,500 on repairs since. So it is a happy & lucky toy box always been garaged about 11 months a year, now has 110,000 miles showing & raring to go. Another PI grad 1960 Dave M
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 28, 2014, 06:26:24 pm
Walt, a word or two: do be wary of any coach that's been sitting for awhile, try to be patient (yes it's very hard!) but sooner or later the right one will come along. I might have waited awhile longer but I'm still happy I decided to take the plunge.
Happy trails, all....
I've been reading that about coaches, and I think I've found it to be true with our F-350 diesel. The longer we had it and the more we drove it, the better it seemed to run and the better the fuel mileage was as well.
Patience has never been my strong suit, and I do worry I'll see several "right ones" come along, but until I have a FT, I'll try to enjoy living the Foretravel life through those of you who do have one. :)
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: D.J. Osborn on August 28, 2014, 08:31:34 pm
Who cares what I spend on my toys, I am not looking at an investment, there is never going to be a money making RV experience that I can see, so why worry about it, either you want it and can afford it or you can not.
Our philosophy is the same. Our friends spend far more than do we on the fancy homes and cars that make them happy, and that's fine with us. We don't know what they think about how we spend our money, and we don't care. We live a lifestyle that suits us and it makes us happy!
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Michael & Jackie on August 28, 2014, 11:30:24 pm
Dave M's post prompts me to reply.
If anyone really wants to get into having an RV, do not do anything you feel sure is foolish to the point that you risk your retirement or whatever would keep you awake.
But we missed a lot of time that we would have enjoyed, being too cautious. Waiting for the perfect time and coach cost us some enjoyable times.
Just saying, as Dave says.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 28, 2014, 11:46:41 pm
If anyone really wants to get into having an RV, do not do anything you feel sure is foolish to the point that you risk your retirement or whatever would keep you awake.
But we missed a lot of time that we would have enjoyed, being too cautious. Waiting for the perfect time and coach cost us some enjoyable times.
Just saying, as Dave says.
We know the perfect coach does not exist, at least not until we get one and make it perfect for us. I am hoping that past history might play out the same in this case. When we bought our current fifth-wheel, we weren't ready looking to buy as we'd just bought an older one a year or so previous. However, we saw this one online, the price was good, and the layout worked better for us than what we had, so we pulled the trigger. The one difference is that our fifth-wheel was being sold locally. I'll enjoy getting out as often as I can in what we currently have with the hope that one day soon I'll be getting out there in an FT.
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: Paul Smith on August 29, 2014, 12:18:08 am
A little over 4 years ago we bought our 1999 40ft U320 for $80K. All it needed was tires. I got 6 Micheline LRH at Herman Power 3/23/2010
It has real tile everywhere except in the bedroom (cost the PO $7K at FOT). Water and electric reels. AquaHot. Washer/dryer. 3 new 8D Lifeline house batteries the day we bought it. They've never been discharged more than 30%. Plus the usuals.
Comparing $80K 4+ years ago with $69.5K today, I'd say $69.5K is too high.
Or looking at it another way:
1200 watts on the roof by AM Solar. 12cf marine fridge runs on AC/DC New toilet. These next 5 by Bernd 8/1/14: 1. All 8 new air bags 2, New set of all fuel lines. 3. New engine coolant hoses 4. Rebuilt AquaHot pumps 5. Engine tunup (I swear it gets one more mpg now. And it sure wants to run for the hills, now!) 2000 watt pure sine inverter ready to install
If I wasn't planning on giving our U320 to our Son I might let it go at $69.5K
best, paul
Title: Re: Question about a coach at MOT
Post by: WaltH on August 29, 2014, 01:03:06 am
A little over 4 years ago we bought our 1999 40ft U320 for $80K. All it needed was tires. I got 6 Micheline LRH at Herman Power 3/23/2010
It has real tile everywhere except in the bedroom (cost the PO $7K at FOT). Water and electric reels. AquaHot. Washer/dryer. 3 new 8D Lifeline house batteries the day we bought it. They've never been discharged more than 30%. Plus the usuals.
Comparing $80K 4+ years ago with $69.5K today, I'd say $69.5K is too high.
Or looking at it another way:
1200 watts on the roof by AM Solar. 12cf marine fridge runs on AC/DC New toilet. These next 5 by Bernd 8/1/14: 1. All 8 new air bags 2, New set of all fuel lines. 3. New engine coolant hoses 4. Rebuilt AquaHot pumps 5. Engine tunup (I swear it gets one more mpg now. And it sure wants to run for the hills, now!) 2000 watt pure sine inverter ready to install
If I wasn't planning on giving our U320 to our Son I might let it go at $69.5K