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Title: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Andy 2 on October 06, 2014, 01:06:38 pm
I know its in here somewhere I did a search and could not find it. There was a post about installing a wireless system and I would like to do the same on our U300. any help Thanks Andy
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 06, 2014, 01:16:13 pm
That was my thread:
Wireless Rear View Camera Installation (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=22320.msg169673#msg169673)

I have been having some issues with my installation, and was going to post a update to my original thread, but this is just as good a place for it.  See next post.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 06, 2014, 02:00:40 pm
My installation of the wireless backup system was almost completely successful.  I used the system on our recent 1000-mile round trip to NAC, and was extremely happy to have a working rear camera.  The wireless part of the system works perfectly.  There were no drop-outs, no interference from other vehicles or our own Wi-F- devices, and no jumpy images.  The size and placement of the monitor worked great - it was very "natural" for me to look in that direction.  I had several favorable comments from the FOT employees who were moving my coach around the crowded parking lot - they really liked using the back-up camera. 

The only problem I have with this particular system is the accuracy of the color rendition.  Since Day 1 the color has not been right!  Originally, I was so happy to have a working back-up camera that I ignored the color problem.  After the "new" wore off, however, I was less pleased.  I expect a high-def color camera and monitor to be able to produce reasonably accurate color.  Red cars should be red, green grass should be green, a school bus should be yellow.  With this system, the colors are mostly all different shades of PURPLE-BROWN.  Green grass is brown or purple (and no, it's not just because we live in West TX), a red fence is brown, cars are muted brownish hues...  No adjustment of the monitor corrects this problem.  The "color" adjustment just makes the brown tones brighter or darker...the "tint" adjustment goes from purple at one extreme to a sickly greenish hue at the other, but then EVERYTHING is that not-normal greenish hue.  I tried everything I could adjust - nothing fixes it.

So I called Tadi Brothers, and explained my problem.  Their first response was to send me a 2nd monitor - which took a week to get here, and after I swapped them out looked exactly the same.  So I called again.  This time they said they would send me a replacement camera.  After waiting another week and no package, I called again.  They were "out of stock", and waiting for a shipment.  At that time we had to leave for our trip to NAC, so I went with what we had.  When we returned home after a week, the 2nd camera was waiting for me.  I just got it hooked up this morning, and IT DOES EXACTLY THE SAME THING!

So, 2 different cameras, and 2 different monitors, and I can't get decent color rendition.  I'm running out of ideas.  Today I will connect one of the cameras and monitors together with a video cable, and see how they work in a wired configuration.  Will report back ASAP on that.

Tadi Brothers has been willing to send me replacement units (shipped the slowest way possible) to try to correct the problem, but I haven't gotten ANY actual technical assistance when I called.  I don't want to bad-mouth them (yet), but I also want people to understand that based on my experience, there MAY be some quality problems with some of the equipment they sell, and it MAY be worthwhile to consider other vendors before you spend your money.

If anyone has any ideas on what could be causing my color rendition problems, I'd be glad to hear them!

The photo below is from my original post.  I thought (back then) that the funky colors were the result of my photographic skills, but that is REALLY what the monitor looks like.  The weeds directly behind the coach are actually light brown.  However, the grass on the other side of the chain link fence is actually bright green, and the little tree in the upper left corner is also healthy green!  The tree (upper right corner) behind the "redwood" colored wooden fence is a evergreen, and is also bright green.  The Mesquite bushes way out behind the coach are light green.  The blue sky actually looks pretty good here, but the rest of the colors are WAY off.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Andy 2 on October 06, 2014, 02:08:53 pm
Thanks Chuck, so I guess my question to u is aside from the color issue, would you still buy the system? I really don't care so much for the color, I drove for years with black and white. For the system it self it sounds like you are pleased with how it works.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 06, 2014, 02:37:39 pm
...aside from the color issue, would you still buy the system?

I would have to say my answer is a conditional "Yes".  I.e., if I couldn't find a better system for less money, then I would still buy this one.

This wireless system certainly serves its intended purpose, and does it well.  It made my first experience pulling a Towd (on a tow dolly) MUCH easier!  In fact, I don't see how it would even be possible without a good rear-view camera.  This camera has good definition, and the monitor image is very clear and easy to use.  Lane changes while driving, and backing up when parking the coach (without Towd, of course), are a piece of cake with this system.  The "range marks" give a very accurate distance-to-obstacle guide.  Aside from the color problem, I am happy with this purchase, and will probably end up keeping it and living with the problem.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 06, 2014, 04:20:09 pm
Another update.  I tried hooking up my second camera to the monitor in the coach, using a "video" RCA-type cable supplied by Tadi along with the 2nd camera.  The monitor in the coach has 2 input channels, so adding a 2nd camera is simple.  Result: the "wired" camera exhibits exactly the same color rendition problem.  I put a red gas can and a blue ice chest in front of the camera.  The red and blue colors are discernible, but muted.  Bright green trees, however, remain purplish-brown.

My conclusion is that this camera-monitor combo is incapable of reproducing the color green.  I know nothing about how a CCD camera works, and I have no idea if this problem is common, or unusual.  I am going to try one more call to Tadi Brothers, and hopefully speak to a "real" tech, to see if they have a explanation.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 06, 2014, 04:32:24 pm
Somebody out there is probably saying, "Perhaps the old coot is just color blind".

Well, I'm not, and neither is my DW or my next-door neighbor.  They can both back up my story!  :))
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 06, 2014, 04:33:53 pm
That last post just put me over 500, but who's counting?  ;D
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Tom Lang on October 06, 2014, 04:40:10 pm
Is the camera out in the open, or shooting through (colored) glass?
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 06, 2014, 04:45:28 pm
Tom,

In both cases (wired and Wi-Fi), the cameras are out in the open - nothing in front of them.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: TulsaTrent on October 06, 2014, 04:47:30 pm
That last post just put me over 500, but who's counting?  ;D

Congratulations!
 
Speaking of which, there used to be a list of members with the most messages (IIRC along the left side). I no longer see that list. Not sure it had any significant information, just sayin' that I'm watchin'.
 
Trent
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: pocketchange on October 06, 2014, 06:04:43 pm
I'm wondering if anyone has given thought to using the TV as a rear camera monitor?  pc
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Caflashbob on October 07, 2014, 12:38:46 am
I'm wondering if anyone has given thought to using the TV as a rear camera monitor?  pc

Yes. Foretravel.  Old coaches had the camera through the tv.  Channel three?  Ignition interlocked
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Don & Tys on October 07, 2014, 12:52:39 am
Just make sure that the video standard is the same for bot the camera and the monitor... i.e.; NTSC and not PAL (the European standard). Sometimes a mismatch will result in no picture, but sometimes will result in B&W or off coloration. Just a WAG... ::)
Don
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Lon and Cheryl on October 07, 2014, 03:03:07 am
I don't know how the system processes color, BUT in the color spectrum Magenta and green cancel out each other.
This is what the problem looks like to my eyes.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 07, 2014, 08:29:39 am
Just make sure that the video standard is the same for both the camera and the monitor... i.e.; NTSC and not PAL
Thanks Don - for a good WAG.  The spec sheet for the monitor says, "NTSC and PAL Automatically", and the camera spec sheet list resolution numbers for both PAL and NTSC.  I guess they are able to cover both bases with these products, which makes sense from a marketing standpoint.

Never got through to the tech dept at Tadi yesterday - will try again today.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on October 07, 2014, 10:09:46 am
Chuck, Kind of far out but possible.  I have seen cameras and monitors show cruddy colors as a result of erratic or low voltage at the camera/monitor.  What voltage does the maker specify ? What voltage do you have at the device input ?
Gary B
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: fouroureye on October 07, 2014, 10:12:45 am
Hood for the camera. Put your hand over top see if it changes ::) color saturation.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 07, 2014, 01:18:18 pm
What voltage does the maker specify? What voltage do you have at the device input?

I'll check on that!
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 07, 2014, 01:21:56 pm
Don't think it is anything a hood would change.  The camera has a small hood, and I have used the system in all kinds of conditions, from dark shade to bright sunlight.  Doesn't seem to alter the weird color problem.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on October 07, 2014, 04:45:35 pm
Picture on the monitor looks good to me. Maybe if I were doing a wedding video...

Pierce
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 07, 2014, 05:09:52 pm
Pierce,

It's just the wacky color (or lack thereof) I'm griping about.  The resolution and image quality are otherwise just fine, and as I said it certainly fulfills the intended function.  Perhaps I am being too picky.  Compared to what I started with (nothing), this is a 100% improvement.

Gary suggested I check voltages, which I just did.  The monitor specs call for 12-24 volt power supply, and I am getting 13.1 volts at the power harness with engine off.  So that is good.  At the camera, however, I am a "little short".  Camera specs call for 12 volt input (no allowable variation stated), and the original factory camera power wire which I am using is showing 11.8 volts, again with engine off.  I'm plugged in to 50 amp shore power, and all batteries are fully charged.

What think you - is this slightly low voltage my problem?  I could try running a jumper wire from the batteries direct to the camera and feed it around 13 volts, to see if it makes any difference.  Or could that damage the camera?  Sure don't want to do that...
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: John Duld on October 07, 2014, 06:47:16 pm
Chuck,
The Javelina power supplies take coach voltage and add 5 volts then regulate that number down to 12 volts.
Did your old system have a power supply that you removed?
Should be some of them around with all the systems that owners have upgraded to new systems.
Maybe you could wire one in to the circuit back at the camera.
Might help if that camera requires 12 volts + or - 0.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on October 07, 2014, 06:52:56 pm
Chuck,

Think the voltage is well within specs. What I like: the wide angle lens shows a lot of territory, resolution is good, warning bars are excellent and the color seems good on the bars or whatever you want to call them, wireless transmission resolution also seems excellent.

If the camera has a cable out, you could connect a monitor to it just below the camera via a short cable to check on the color.  Your monitor may have a video input so you could also just feed a camcorder into it and check for color. Should be yellow RCA.

So, my best guess is the wireless video while good for resolution, is not up to speed for color. It's possible they emphasized certain colors for visibility but more likely the tech dept let them down. Don't think a filter would make much difference.

So, our wired system (camera/monitor) total cost is about $60 today. Our overall color is better but I love your image and resolution, the warning bars and it's wireless capability.  If I paid around $100, I probably would not complain but if much more than that, I wouldn't be happy.  I totally understand your frustration.

How is the night image? Ours lacks color at night but has a good image.

Pierce
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Roland Begin on October 07, 2014, 08:29:09 pm
I paid a bit more attention to my monitor today, also got my stuff from Taxi Brothers. My colours are way off, never paid much attention before but it is far from Hi Def TV colors. Just the way it is I suppose.

Roland
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 07, 2014, 09:59:00 pm
The Javelina power supplies take coach voltage and add 5 volts then regulate that number down to 12 volts.
Did your old system have a power supply that you removed?

Everything that powered my original factory installed rear view camera system is still present and (I assume) functioning.  All I did was remove the (useless) original camera, installed the new camera and wireless transmitter, and connected the original power wire to the new gear.  I still use the original dash (MONITOR) switch to turn on the camera.  Only difference is now the image shows up on the overhead 10.5" LCD screen instead of the little in-dash B&W CRT.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 07, 2014, 10:18:01 pm
So, my best guess is the wireless video while good for resolution, is not up to speed for color.

How is the night image? Ours lacks color at night but has a good image.
Pierce,

You'll see in one of my posts above that I hooked my 2nd identical camera to the monitor in the coach with a video cable.  I then had "wireless" camera on CH-1, and "wired" camera on CH-2.  Switching back and forth showed exactly the same color problem from both cameras.  I don't THINK the wireless modules are the problem.

The night image is in black & white, and is nice and clear, but the range is limited to about 15-20' behind the coach.  Beyond that don't see much.

Is there any way to look at the exterior of a camera and tell if it is CCD or CMOS?  I ordered, and was charged for, a "upgrade" to a CCD camera.  After looking at several side-by-side camera comparisons on YouTube, I am beginning to suspect that what I got was CMOS.  If I did not get what I paid for, then I WILL be P'd Off!.

Will be calling Tadi Bros again tomorrow.  I am determined to get to the bottom of this!
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on October 08, 2014, 01:35:35 am
Two possibilities left as I see it. Try a alternate video source into the monitor (DVD player, camcorder, etc) and see if your color image is the same quality or the other possibility would be to bring the camera image into a HDTV and see what it looks like. Most HDTVs have a yellow RCA video input on the side or back.

Somewhere on the camera should be a model number or possibly on the packaging. With that in hand, a google search should come up with the type of image sensor. While CMOS sensors found in some video cameras are very good, most are not as good as CCD. Would think for a camera with night vision like yours, a CCD would be the image sensor of choice. That's why I was asking about the night vision earlier.

CMOS sensors are cheaper to make so it makes sense that an upgrade would include a camera with a CCD sensor.

Pierce
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: alan1958 on October 08, 2014, 06:39:28 am
Have you looked to see if there is some kind of film coating on the lens to protect it during packaging ? Just asking 2 camaras same problem.

Alan
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 08, 2014, 08:55:06 am
Pierce - Good ideas!  I will check my DVR and TV for the yellow RCA connectors - been ages since I even thought about those type inputs/outputs.

Alan - No protective film on the cameras.  The lens on these "weather proof" cameras is mounted behind a glass "window", which I suppose is scratch resistant.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 08, 2014, 09:23:29 pm
Taking Pierce's suggestion, I continued my analysis of my rear view camera "color" problem.

First, I found a yellow video output on my DVR, so I connected that to the rear view monitor.  Results shown in photos below.  (Sorry about the subject matter - just happened to be on when I snapped the photos)  It is obvious to me that the monitor works fine - it has no problem displaying the full color spectrum when fed a decent signal.

Next, I checked our 37" flat screen, and found a yellow RCA input, so I ran a jumper from the rear view camera to the TV.  As the photos below clearly show, I get the exact same color-challenged image displayed on the TV, so the camera is definitely the source of my complaint.  Wired or wireless, the camera puts out a degraded, basically purplish-brown monotone image.

Following up on my suspicion that I may have been shipped a CMOS camera instead of the CCD camera I ordered AND PAID FOR, I called Tadi customer service yet another time.  I have spoken to the same female employee each time I have called.  Up till now she has been willing to send replacements, but has offered zero technical advice.  This morning, our conversation got truly bizarre.  I asked her if it was possible that I may have received a CMOS camera "by mistake" (allowing them the benefit of the doubt).  She stated that since I got a white camera, it had to be a CCD, because "We only sell one white camera, and it is CCD".  I told her I was sitting at my computer, looking at their website, and it clearly shows that they sell BOTH the CMOS and CCD cameras in white.  She started sounding irate, and said "I don't care what the website shows - I don't design the website - I'm telling you we only sell one white camera and it is CCD".  It was obvious I was getting nowhere with her, so I hung up.  I then called the Tadi "Sales" number and spoke to a salesman.  I asked if I could buy a white camera in CMOS or CCD, and he said "Sure - we have them both in stock, and can ship either one today".  I then asked (if I ordered one) how I could tell which camera I received.  He said "It will be marked on the box".  I asked if there was any kind of identification on the camera body, and he said "No, the only way we can tell them apart is by looking at the box".

This seems like a situation ripe for product "bait and switching".  I have received 2 cameras from Tadi, in identical boxes, and neither box had ANY marking or notation to indicate if it is CMOS or CCD.  I paid $50 extra for the upgraded camera, but they could have sent me either one and there is no way for me to know what I ended up with.  I can't even complain that they cheated me (if they did) because I have no way to prove my claim.  This would be a easy question to resolve, if I could walk into their store and ask to see a demonstration of both camera types.  As a online buyer, I have no recourse, especially when Customer Service is staffed by totally illogical employees.

After I talked to the salesman, I had him transfer me back to Customer Service.  I got a different (male) employee, but I could hear the female yelling at him in the background.  He was sympathetic, but no more helpful.  The way it stands now, I told them I would send one monitor and one camera back to them using a return authorization label (UPS Ground) they provided.  They said as soon as they get that stuff back, they will send me ANOTHER camera.  I asked if it would be a white CCD camera - He said "O yes Sir, we guarantee the box will be marked CCD".  I'm pretty confident THAT statement IS true.

I retract any real or implied recommendation I may have EVER given to Tadi Brothers - find another vendor if you value your sanity (and your cash).
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Don & Tys on October 09, 2014, 01:06:34 am
There a lot of factors that play into the image quality of a video camera. The type of image sensor is just one factor, and not necessarily any more important than many others. For instance, I have a 6 or 7 year old HD video camcorder, a Sony HDR-HC1 2.8MP High Definition MiniDV Camcorder w/10x Optical Zoom, 1/3-inch CMOS sensor with 3.0-megapixel still-image resolution that takes terrific 1080i video. There are advantages and disadvantages to each type of image sensor. It is as much about the quality of lens, the aperture (not only the lens but also the grid of the image sensor). Heck, even my iPhone 5s takes pretty 1080p video...
It bugs me when these vendors selling back up cameras and cheap security cameras with a composite video output claim to be HD, when they don't even have a connection that will support an HD signal (i.e., HDMI, DVI, SDI, Display Port, etc. for digital, and RGB which uses at least 4 conductors, Component which uses 3). I suppose, it might be "high definition", if you allow the term to mean a  somewhat better image when compared to another camera...
When I was looking for a way to get an HD image to a dash monitor, I kept coming across the term used so loosely that it was meaningless. I finally settled on a security camera which is IP66 Weatherproof, has a 3 to 1 Optical zoom, and an SDI (Serial Digital Interface) output. It was a fair amount of work, but I remain happy with the results. It was also part of the whole in-dash computer install, and as such required a bit of extra pieces to make it work. Finding a 7" monitor bright enough with a decent native resolution (1024X600) that would work for both the monitor and the computer, an SDI to HDMI converter (all digital, no loss in quality), a 4X2 HDMI matrix switcher to name a few... It boggles my mind that there doesn't seem to be any providers who make a turn key system like this. Even the systems sported in newer IH45's, Newels and Prevos are SD camera systems. They do have pan and tilt cameras, and multiplexed auto switching displays, but still with SD over composite video cables... People who have these great coaches deserve better options! Rant over...
Of course the most important thing is that the visibility is there when you need it when backing up or changing lanes, and these systems fit the bill for that... I just wish they wouldn't use the term HD, which actually has an accepted international definition (at least 1280X720p or 1080i).
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 09, 2014, 07:48:23 am
Don,

Perhaps the builders believe that by the time customers can afford high-dollar coaches, their eyesight is so poor they can't tell the difference!

Didn't they have a old video standard called LDTV (Low Definition)?  These backup cameras should be labeled LD.  If you can see a image, and actually guess what it is, then it meets the requirements.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Roland Begin on October 09, 2014, 10:52:46 am
Well, duh of course HD uses HDMI cabling I knew that but never put HD back up system together with HD cameras,  displays and the required cabling. One hundred per cent correct again Don,  you don't run an HD for image through the cabling they put in our coaches 20 years ago. However the system is great for backing up, keeping an eye on the toad  and the wide angle lens picks up vehicles coming around you, just not very good for watching a TV show. :P  Wouldn't be without it and until Chuck mentioned it never noticed how terrible the colors were.

Roland

Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Andy 2 on October 09, 2014, 10:59:24 am
That is why I like the black white monitors never a question on the colors :D as long as I can see the toad and whats going on back there that's all the matters to me. just say in ;D  please don't get me wrong I also what what I pay for to work the way it was intended to.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Ecurb on October 09, 2014, 09:17:34 pm
The first thing I thought of when I saw the pics was that the monitor was producing the red yellow and green backing guide overlay so it had to be the camera. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer but sounded logical to me. But of course I don't know how the overlay is configured.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 09, 2014, 10:26:53 pm
The red/yellow/green "range marks" or backing guide or whatever its called, is generated within the camera.  You can see that in the last set of photos I posted...they show up even when the camera is connected to our 37" flat screen.  Included in the wiring harness coming out of the camera is a small 2-conductor wire with the ends of the wire stripped bare.  According to the instructions, if you wrap the bare wire ends together BEFORE you apply power to the camera, the "range marks" will be removed (turned off).
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Dave and Nancy Abel on November 02, 2014, 06:47:44 am
Howdy Chuck,
  I'm wondering if you have resolved the color issues?  Would you still buy and install this system?  Replacing my backup camera and monitor is next on my never ending list of "things to do".
Thanks for all your updates on this,  Dave A
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 02, 2014, 10:16:10 am
Dave,

In my last post on my dealings with Tadi Bros I was waiting for them to send me a THIRD camera.  Well, they did, and true to their word the box was marked to indicate it was a "CCD" camera.  Unfortunately, the (identical) camera was neither better or worse than the previous two - the color is still terrible.  I sent the 2nd camera back to Tadi, kept the 3rd, and told them they wouldn't hear from me again.  Sweet news to their ears, I'm sure.

I will keep the Tadi system, because it DOES do the job.  The image is clear, and it is easy to discern objects behind the coach.  I have taken 2 trips since installing the system, and I find it VERY useful, especially for passing and merging back into lanes of traffic.  It works beautifully for backing up the coach, and gives me much greater confidence in all driving situations.  I would say it is essential when pulling a towd.

I did have the opportunity recently to look at Bill Chaplin's rear view camera setup, and the (poor) color rendition on his unit is very similar to mine.  I believe his is a wired rear camera from a different manufacturer, and was installed some time ago.  I have seen only these two examples of aftermarket rear view systems, so I don't have much to go on, but I may be asking too much of these cameras.  Perhaps accurate color is not a high priority?

To answer your question, YES, I would install this system again.  The wireless installation is very simple, and works flawlessly.  My only real complaint is the color rendition.  I may eventually try buying another camera, and see if I can get better color.  Because the camera and transmitter are separate devices, you can use any camera with this system.

If I were you, I would shop around and consider the features versus cost of "wireless" systems from other sources, before deciding on the Tadi offering.  But that's just me...
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on November 02, 2014, 10:41:07 am
Here is a shot of our monitor. Used OEM wires. Taken just after I installed it about four years ago. Not high resolution but the colors are good. About $60 for the rear camera/ monitor package delivered with another $60 or so for a wireless transmitter. Wireless transmitters at: wireless video transmitter | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0&_nkw=wireless+video+transmitter&_sacat=0) Make sure wireless model is 12V.

Pierce
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on November 02, 2014, 11:25:41 am
Update: here is the exact same camera and monitor that I installed plus wireless transmitter/receiver for $61.99 delivered: 7" TFT LCD Car Rear View Backup Monitor Wireless Reverse Night Vision Camera Kit (http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-TFT-LCD-Car-Rear-View-Backup-Monitor-Wireless-Reverse-Night-Vision-Camera-Kit-/171395056526?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item27e7f1038e)

Pierce
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Andy 2 on November 02, 2014, 03:08:24 pm
I just finished my instalation of my wireless monitor and camera form Tadi Bros and all seem to be working great. Haven't taken any trips yet Jan we will be heading south for a few weeks. As Chuck said it is a very easy to do.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: wa_desert_rat on November 02, 2014, 04:18:37 pm
Update: here is the exact same camera and monitor that I installed plus wireless transmitter/receiver for $61.99 delivered: 7" TFT LCD Car Rear View Backup Monitor Wireless Reverse Night Vision Camera Kit (http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-TFT-LCD-Car-Rear-View-Backup-Monitor-Wireless-Reverse-Night-Vision-Camera-Kit-/171395056526?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item27e7f1038e)
That looks pretty spiffy! Where did you mount the monitor? What with Banks gauges and GPSs and stuff I am running outta dashboard room (and I never thought I'd say that).

Craig
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 02, 2014, 04:24:33 pm
I just finished my instalation of my wireless monitor and camera from Tadi Bros

So, what do you think of the "colors" displayed on the monitor?  Does green grass and green leaves on trees look green?  Are other colors rendered accurately?
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Andy 2 on November 02, 2014, 05:18:24 pm
Well it's not the greatest, it does show my lab as being black and my chair as being red ;) Heres a look on the monitor and location of the remotes
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Dave and Nancy Abel on November 02, 2014, 05:56:03 pm
@Chuck,  Thank you for all your updates and experiences with the Tadi system.  I may re-think this.

@Andy 2, Thanks for you photos and feedback.

@Pierce, Boy, for $62, I think I may give that system a try..

Thanks to all, Dave A

Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on November 02, 2014, 06:07:28 pm
Craig,

Thanks!

I looked at the sliding coffee/map/etc table and after finding the stop for it, I removed it and installed a bracket screwing upward to hold it in place. Then I used another screw to put the mount for the monitor in place on top of the new bracket. Slid table back into place and away we go.

Like to have a second camera/monitor for the famous GV blind spot. I come close to crushing a car at least once on every trip unless Gaylie is in the seat over there. Got to hear 10 seconds of Bosch horns from a late BMW the last time.

Dave A: our camera/monitor is still working well about 4 years later. Don't know about the quality of the wireless they include. Suspect that it could be short on range at that price as is probably designed for a car. I see some of the others advertise 150 meters. I just wired ours using the stock wires and coax. Image at night is outstanding. You can see how many IR projectors it has in the photo.

Pierce
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: wa_desert_rat on November 02, 2014, 06:41:02 pm
Like to have a second camera/monitor for the famous GV blind spot. I come close to crushing a car at least once on every trip unless Gaylie is in the seat over there. Got to hear 10 seconds of Bosch horns from a late BMW the last time.
So you still have the OEM camera/monitor in operation? If so, where did you mount the LED cam?

Craig
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on November 02, 2014, 06:51:54 pm
No, the OEM was DOA when we bought the coach. LED cam is mounted in the old location. See my photos at: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/100921130470085833749/albums/5593685542808777185?authkey=CJW2kP3fn7f2XQ (https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/100921130470085833749/albums/5593685542808777185?authkey=CJW2kP3fn7f2XQ)

They show the new monitor location on the dash, a close up, the LED voltmeters I installed in the Audit CRT location as well as how I mounted the new camera and used a router to mount the camera before putting the finishing plate on. It is waterproof so it just sticks out.

Sorry for my poor explanation as my ADHD never allows me to put more than a couple of sentences together without going off........look, a chicken.

Pierce

Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: wa_desert_rat on November 02, 2014, 07:37:55 pm
Pierce... thanks. And I know what you m.... oooh dinner!

Craig
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 02, 2014, 09:56:07 pm
Well it's not the greatest, it does show my lab as being black and my chair as being red...
If that is supposed to be green grass behind your coach, then you are seeing exactly what I was griping about: purple instead of green.  But, like I said, despite the color problem it is a good clear useable image, and that's what really matters.
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on November 02, 2014, 09:57:47 pm
Boy, I would like to have a better rear view camera system. 

Here is what I am hoping to find.  I have an on-board micro  PC running Windows 7 and VMSpc whos display is transmitted wirelessly over the coach's wireless network to a Samsung 7" tablet.  So is there a good rear night vision color camera that will broadcast wirelessly to my netowrk and then to the tablet?  I can see the camera I have at home on my pc, my iPad, my Samsung and my iPhone.  I can control it remotely as well (scan, patrol, zoom, capture) and it sends me photos by email if it detects motion.  Should be able to do the same with a backup camera.

I am continuing to investigate this and will report if I discover the next big thing.

Roger
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Michelle on November 02, 2014, 10:06:53 pm
If that is supposed to be green grass behind your coach, then you are seeing exactly what I was griping about: purple instead of green.  But, like I said, despite the color problem it is a good clear useable image, and that's what really matters.

Chuck - is the signal from the camera to your display completely wireless or is there some wire on the monitor (other than the power leads)?

Wayyy... out there, but years ago I had a computer monitor that was sensitive to EMI from fluorescent lights in my office.  There was a ferrite core on the DVI cable and I could "tune" the colors on the monitor depending on where that core was along the cable relative to the monitor input (and I had an elegant masking tape solution....)
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Don & Tys on November 02, 2014, 10:15:37 pm
That sounds interesting, but a WiFi interface will introduce some latency in the image you see in the monitor (probably much more than the dedicated transmitter and receiver does), how much may depend on what other traffic is on the network. Some routers can allow certain kinds of traffic to receive higher priority such as when videoconferencing with the right kind of protocols are involved. Of course my knowledge in that area is probably pretty dated by now. I used to manage videoconferencing facilities at SDSU, but it has been over 7 years since I retired :o When I started in that field, we multiplexed 6 phone lines to do video conferencing, now my granddaughter just calls me on FaceTime!
Don
Boy, I would like to have a better rear view camera system. 

Here is what I am hoping to find.  I have an on-board micro  PC running Windows 7 and VMSpc whos display is transmitted wirelessly over the coach's wireless network to a Samsung 7" tablet.  So is there a good rear night vision color camera that will broadcast wirelessly to my netowrk and then to the tablet?  I can see the camera I have at home on my pc, my iPad, my Samsung and my iPhone.  I can control it remotely as well (scan, patrol, zoom, capture) and it sends me photos by email if it detects motion.  Should be able to do the same with a backup camera.

I am continuing to investigate this and will report if I discover the next big thing.

Roger
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 02, 2014, 10:32:58 pm
Chuck - is the signal from the camera to your display completely wireless or is there some wire on the monitor (other than the power leads)?
There is a short (15" or so) wire from the camera to the transmitter, and from the receiver to the monitor.  Other than that, wireless.  99% of the time, when the camera system is in use all the interior fluorescent lights in the coach are off.  Plus, my monitor is mounted on the overhead panel away from the instrument panel and all its wiring, so I would think interference is unlikely.  Thanks for the guess!
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: wa_desert_rat on November 04, 2014, 03:54:55 pm
Update: here is the exact same camera and monitor that I installed plus wireless transmitter/receiver for $61.99 delivered: 7" TFT LCD Car Rear View Backup Monitor Wireless Reverse Night Vision Camera Kit (http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-TFT-LCD-Car-Rear-View-Backup-Monitor-Wireless-Reverse-Night-Vision-Camera-Kit-/171395056526?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item27e7f1038e)
Pierce... just ordered one of these for our U225. :)

Craig
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Dan Noble on November 04, 2014, 08:47:58 pm
Craig, ordered one as well.  Can't go too wrong at that price, wasted more money on less before ;D
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on November 04, 2014, 09:24:01 pm
Guys,

Hope the wireless function makes it the 30 some odd feet to the front. The hardest thing for me was deciding if I wanted to look down at the towbar and front of the toad or check traffic further behind. Have ordered over 100 items direct from China without a problem. Expect 10-14 days to your mailbox. If you decide to wire with the video coax , Radio Shack has the adapter for an easy connect back at the camera or you can solder instead. If you use a Dremel Moto Tool like I did, make sure to wear a long sleeve shirt and mask as the dust is really nasty. The old Audit has the end of the coax as well as sending power back to the camera. I used the schematic to find the Audit wire codes to read the engine and house battery voltage for my twin digital voltmeters. As you can see in my photos, I had to experiment quite a bit before I was happy with the camera mount. PM with any questions after you receive the package.

Pierce
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: wa_desert_rat on November 05, 2014, 01:17:36 pm
Pierce, are you using the new cam/monitor to watch Audit information too?

Craig
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on November 05, 2014, 01:35:41 pm
No, only picked up the engine & house voltage. Going to order a SeeLevel like Bill Chaplin installed. Contact Bill or perhaps another member will chime in on using existing sensors or at least using the wiring to the front.

Pierce
Title: Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera
Post by: Bill Chaplin on November 05, 2014, 04:53:48 pm
Only 1 of the present 6 are used with the SeeLevel.
Pick a color, you choice. Stowed the rest in the compartment for future use.
Easiest install I ever made.