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Title: IR thermometers
Post by: Michael & Jackie on January 17, 2015, 10:31:19 am
Search of Forum show several discussions, some five years ago and some talking how they use them.  I have two, one for house and one for Motorhome.  I found some odd readings with one, started comparing the two and versus Mercury thermometer.  For some uses, ten degrees deviation is not important, but on AC performmance it is.  And it I guess just a personal thing, I do not like two similar devices of different brands reading ten degree different.

So, any updates on best buys for the money you spend for one that is pretty accurate?  Reviews I found rated the kintrex IRT0421 highly plus couple others.  One on Amazon for about $12 some reviewers saying very poor performance.

Mike
Title: Re: IR thermometers
Post by: Michelle on January 17, 2015, 11:18:25 am
Mine's a ThermoWorks.  I have a model that accepts a thermocouple probe so it's a multitasker (I use it in the kitchen).

ThermoWorks Infrared Meters (http://thermoworks.com/products/ir/)
Title: Re: IR thermometers
Post by: Michael & Jackie on January 17, 2015, 11:19:52 am
Thanks Dave, I found that a Raytek was said about the same as a Fluke, at least a reviewer said seem identical?  The Raytek about $65 on Amazon whereas the kintex is $45.  Still, if you prefer the Fluke, seems good way to go.  I will see what others say on Forum.  I bought two cheaper from Harbor Freight, woulda saved if bought one Fluke versus the money for the two from HF, maybe.

thanks again

mike
Title: Re: IR thermometers
Post by: Michael & Jackie on January 17, 2015, 11:22:45 am
Oh great Michelle, what an idea.  That may be best option, we have been checking AC performance, looking at temp drop across inlet/outlets.  That thermocouple would perhaps give me the accuracy I really need, then I can use the IR for tire checks, etc.

thanks, again for your idea of this

mike
Title: Re: IR thermometers
Post by: Bill B on January 17, 2015, 11:32:42 am
Mike, responded to your post but I guess it didn't make it.  I have used several IR thermometers as a home inspector and found them useful.  However, each one that I owned measured surface temperature and not air temperature.  So if accurate AC temps are required, a calibrated digital thermometer is the proper tool in my opinion. 
Title: Re: IR thermometers
Post by: mark f on January 17, 2015, 11:37:52 am
I have a Fluke, which I think is pretty accurate. I also have some HF quality IR thermometers in my tool box. I use them just as much because most the time for me the accual temp is not that important, the difference between two things that should be about the same is. Like checking for a dead of missing cylinder in an engine, which brake is getting hot, etc. The cheepies work for that. Mark
Title: Re: IR thermometers
Post by: Caflashbob on January 17, 2015, 11:45:34 am
I have a Fluke, which I think is pretty accurate. I also have some HF quality IR thermometers in my tool box. I use them just as much because most the time for me the accual temp is not that important, the difference between two things that should be about the same is. Like checking for a dead of missing cylinder in an engine, which brake is getting hot, etc. The cheepies work for that. Mark

same HF unit for the same temp difference reasons
Title: Re: IR thermometers
Post by: steve on January 17, 2015, 11:58:46 am
I'd go with Fluke or Thermoworks ... I do also have a cheap one that bangs around in my toolbox that I use to look for deltas.

Just to note non contact thermometers are going to have some accuracy issues.  Some of that is just the physics involved emissivity and distance to target (http://www.fluke.com/fluke/uses/comunidad/Fluke-News-Plus/ArticleCategories/Myth-or-Reality/MR-Full-infrared-contact+thermometers.htm) and some of that is the quality of the device.

Here is a basic one from Thermoworks thats on sale, not $12 but not to bad. Amazon.com: Industrial Infrared Thermometer: Instant Read Thermometers:... (http://www.amazon.com/ThermoWorks-Industrial-Infrared-Thermometer/dp/B005XB4J0S/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421512023&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=R-Gun-S+Industrial+Infrared+Thermometer#customerReviews)
Accuracy:
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55 to 95°F (15 to 35°C): ±2.7°F (±1.5°C);
32 to 1022°F (0 to 550°C): 4°F (2°C) or ±2% of reading, whichever is greater;
 -76 to 32°F (-60 to 0°C): ±4°F+0.09°F (2°C+0.05°C)

Or a fluke 62 Max Amazon.com: Fluke 62 MAX Infrared Thermometer, AA Battery, -20 to +932... (http://www.amazon.com/Fluke-MAX-Infrared-Thermometer-Battery/dp/B008EW837S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1421512479&sr=8-2&keywords=fluke+62+Infrared+Thermometer)
Accuracy:
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±1.5°C (±2.5°F) or ±1.5% of reading, whichever is greater
-10°C to 0°C: ±2.0 (±3.5°F)
-30°C to -10°C: ±3.0 (±5.5°F)

Title: Re: IR thermometers
Post by: Michael & Jackie on January 17, 2015, 08:00:24 pm
Bill & Donna, thanks for your post.  I did not see one earlier so think second try got you on this thread unless it was a PM

Steve, I think I have learned from you and the other recent posts that I was expecting too much in accuracy.  I have read....and just today....which you remind us all in your post about the emissivity, which I heretofore totally overlooked....and the distance aspect.

SO....I gotta rethink.  I have two of these units already though and using the same way, same object, get 10 degrees F different.  Led me to begin to look into this....Just not confident in that difference.  I will get the thermocouple as Michelle wrote, then the Fluke model, or the Raytek that reviews say is the same.

Really appreciate all of you contributing to another learning experience for me.

Thanks,  Mike
Title: Re: IR thermometers
Post by: OldManSax on January 17, 2015, 10:11:55 pm
I used the same Fluke I use in HVAC work.

TOM
Title: Re: IR thermometers
Post by: sedelange on January 18, 2015, 12:35:13 am
One important thing about IR thermometers is the distance from the object.  I know the Fluke 62 is a 1:10 ratio.  That means at 10" it is measuring a 1" circle. So closer is better.
Title: Re: IR thermometers
Post by: krush on January 18, 2015, 08:50:55 am
I got this one, which has dual laser that merges together when target is correct: Noncontact Thermometer – Raytek (http://www.raytek.com/Raytek/en-r0/ProductsAndAccessories/PortableThermometers/PortableThermometersSeries/AutoProST25-AutomotiveHandheld/)

Raytek ST25

Also, if you really want cool, get an infared camera for your iphone, android, or go nuts and get something like Flir e4.