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Title: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: ScubaGuy on March 08, 2015, 02:49:51 pm
One (little) thing that has bugged me since owning the coach is that as soon as I flip the headlight switch the coolant temp goes up about 8 degrees.  It's been like this since I've owned the coach.  The first couple of times I thought maybe the extra load on the electrical system was causing the alternator to work a little harder, thus causing the Cummins to run a little hotter.  But the more I thought about it, the less sense that made.  Also, it happens instantly. 

Basically it runs at about 181 to 182 degreees all the time, until I turn on the running/parking light, then within 1 second it's 189 to 190 degrees.

Anyone else have this issue?  Is there an easy fix, or should I just forget about it?

Thanks,
Douglas
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: Michelle on March 08, 2015, 02:51:57 pm
One (little) thing that has bugged me since owning the coach is that as soon as I flip the headlight switch the coolant temp goes up about 8 degrees.  It's been like this since I've owned the coach.  The first couple of times I thought maybe the extra load on the electrical system was causing the alternator to work a little harder, thus causing the Cummins to run a little hotter.  But the more I thought about it, the less sense that made.  Also, it happens instantly. 

Basically it runs at about 181 to 182 degreees all the time, until I turn on the running/parking light, then within 1 second it's 189 to 190 degrees.

Sounds electrical in nature, possibly grounding in the dash area.
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: wolfe10 on March 08, 2015, 03:04:28 pm
Yup, a loose ground or inadequate ground for the instruments will cause this.
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: Mark D on March 08, 2015, 04:08:44 pm
Ah yes mine does exactly the same thing.  I didn't figure out the mechanism right away.
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: Larry Bradley on March 08, 2015, 04:44:56 pm
I have the same problem.  I can't remember which one now but one of the other gauges also moves with light switch.  Does the dash have single ground or does each gauge have hot and ground?

The knowledge on this forum amazes me and I do appreciate it.

Larry Bradley
1998 U 270
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: MAZ on March 08, 2015, 08:29:33 pm
Mine does the same thing. I will let you know if and when I figure it out.

Mark
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on March 08, 2015, 08:52:35 pm
Have not noticed that with the VMSpc display.
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: Bill Willett on March 08, 2015, 09:11:14 pm
Disconnect the luminescent dash inverter and see if it changes anything.
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: turbojack on March 08, 2015, 09:47:37 pm
Exactly same problem I have checked grounds and have not found a solution yet
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: Kent Speers on March 08, 2015, 10:00:22 pm
Both my 93, U225 and my current 93, U300 do the same thing. I changed the sending unit and the temp gauge on my U225 and it made no difference. I checked and cleaned any related grounds I could find but no change. It is related to the voltage. When the headlights go on the voltage at the dash drops by at least 0.2 volt which causes the temp gauge to go up as described. Don't know why but that's what it does.
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: RRadio on March 08, 2015, 11:21:46 pm
I think the temperature gauge grounds through the temperature sensor on the engine. I think the problem may be caused by a voltage fluctuation, possibly from a weak ignition solenoid. I would bypass the solenoid and see if that fixes the problem and if so replace it or at least carry a spare solenoid because you'll need one pretty soon... I'm pretty sure the boost solenoid is the same as the ignition solenoid, at least on my coach, so you could swap them and see if that fixes it.
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: ScubaGuy on March 09, 2015, 02:10:27 pm
Well I'm glad to know I'm not alone on this one.  Unfortunately I'm pretty busy for the next couple of weeks, so I'm just going hope someone with a shorter "To Do" list will work on this and post their results.

Scott's idea is probably a really good place to start.

Bill - my dash inverter is somewhere in the big bay, so in my case that didn't help.

Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: bbeane on March 09, 2015, 09:42:31 pm
Mine does the same thing, and the oil pressure goes down 10 lbs.
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: Mogan David on March 09, 2015, 09:52:39 pm
Yup, a loose ground or inadequate ground for the instruments will cause this.
right... seems like spurious current
Title: Re: Coolant temp gauge goes up when lights are on
Post by: RRadio on March 09, 2015, 11:21:21 pm
I don't know if the Cummins grounds the temperature gauge through the sensor on the engine but my Detroit Diesel does. There's only one wire on the sensor and when you disconnect it the gauge goes to zero but when you ground it out, or when a torrential rain grounds it out, the gauge goes way up, sometimes all the way to the top, which I know can't be accurate because the transmission shows normal or slightly low temperature due to the rain... so that's why I doubt it's got a ground in the dashboard if it's wired the way my Detroit Diesel is... By the way, if your temperature gauge goes way up when driving in heavy rain, disconnect the terminal on the sensor, clean both sides, put it back together tight and seal it with Liquid Tape. It works great if you get it completely sealed. I did it a year ago and have driven through several heavy rainstorms with no crazy temperature readings... sorry if I hijacked your post for a moment there :)