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Title: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 19, 2015, 09:14:54 pm
Hello, newbie here,
I Just bought an 89 Grandvilla 40' with Detroit 300
I don't know too much about diesel's ... wondering if there may be someone in Conroe or close by. specifically off 105 west that could help me get it started.
I have considered towing it, I have to get it to Houston, but Apple towing wants an arm and leg.
I didn't get any manuals with the purchase
Thanks for any advice,
Mark of Houston
It's been parked for almost two years now, but was driven there...
(tweaked formatting - Michelle)
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: wolfe10 on April 19, 2015, 09:33:55 pm
Mark,
Welcome to the ForeForum.
Tell us the status of trying to start it:
Does the engine turn over?
Does the generator start or do you have shore power where it is parked-- that will allow you to fully charge the batteries if they are still good (doubtful if they have sat dead for 2 years)?
If it is batteries, probably a lot cheaper to replace them where the coach sits than to have it towed.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: kb0zke on April 19, 2015, 09:46:01 pm
Welcome, Mark. I haven't been in Houston in 40 years, but how far do you have to go with it? I suspect that it is out of license, so it will need inspection, plates, etc. Do you have a plan for that?
In the meantime, start by cleaning all electrical connections, install new batteries, check/change fluids, etc. I suspect that you will have to change the tires, but they may be adequate for a short trip. Check the date codes on them and carefully inspect them. Since the coach has been sitting still for two years the tires will probably have flat spots that will make for a somewhat uncomfortable ride, but if you are only going a few miles you can probably tolerate it.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Lon and Cheryl on April 20, 2015, 01:01:11 am
I would start with a call to a mobile mechanic service. A list of things you have checked, and findings that you have made, will help with advice here.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on April 20, 2015, 08:52:48 am
will any standard 12 volt battery charger work? Any charger will work...if it has a specific setting for "Gel" or "Maintenance Free" that would be better.
How long do you have to charge an 8D battery till it' full? Like any battery - charge it until it quits taking a charge. If battery has removable caps, check electrolyte level before charging.
Tires were almost new before he parked it.. This may be true, or not. Don't go by appearance or what PO said. Check the DOT date on tire sidewalls to be sure.
Funds are so tight, I almost didn't buy the coach .. but I am glad I did, I have been wanting a grand villa for a very long time. You have taken the most important first step to owning a great, well-built, classic motor coach. Congratulations!
Can you start the motor with just one battery ? Yes (Stump already answered this). Be sure the battery cable connections are clean and tight!
If I can fire up the generator, I assume it charges the batteries when it runs? Yes this is correct, if everything is working properly.
Should I change or at least clean the fuel filters? Get the big engine running first, then worry about the filters. Much easier to change them if engine is fully warmed up.
Are there glow plugs that have to be warmed up first to start? I don't know Detroits, but the starting sequence should be automatic, whatever is required. Hopefully other members (Stump) can add more info on this question?
Do I need to prime it? Detroit Diesel owners please answer this question!
It would be nice if I had an owners manual.. are they available? Some parts of some owners manuals are possibly available from the factory. Also try searching on eBay.
I have to drive about 53 miles to get it home. 53 miles through Houston traffic in a strange coach with unknown mechanical condition? You are a BRAVE man!
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Michelle on April 20, 2015, 08:57:59 am
This doesn't entirely matter. Tires age out. As Chuck says in his post, what's the DOT date code on them (check them all, don't assume they are all the same). If over 5 years old you should think about budgeting for new ones in the next year (assuming there's no sidewall cracking indicating replacement needs to be a high priority). The cost of tires would most likely be small in comparison to the cost of repairs if one blows at highway speed and takes out fiberglass and other things.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on April 20, 2015, 10:05:45 am
I think Kemahjohn meant that the drive shaft needs to be removed, not the axles. That would really be a tough tow.
Roger
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on April 20, 2015, 10:10:06 am
Roger, Removing the axles has the same affect as removing the drive shaft and is easier in my opinion. When you remove the drive shaft you really have to be careful and mark it so that it can be installed exactly the way it was removed. Gary B
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: wolfe10 on April 20, 2015, 12:57:00 pm
Yes, removing the axle shafts OR driveshaft does the same thing-- allows the coach to be safely towed.
BUT, I would only do this after exhausting all "in place" solutions.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on April 20, 2015, 01:14:21 pm
Good advice above. If you absolutely can't start it, don't remove the drive shaft but buy or make hub covers and remove BOTH axles (regardless of what the tow truck driver says). Too easy to lose the drive shaft fasteners, fail to mark it for balance, fail to torque it correctly when re-installing, etc.
If a Detroit 6V-92TA has fuel, it WILL start, even after years of sitting. Find and use the manual (hand) fuel pump to purge air. After making sure it has oil pressure, monitor the temperature to make sure you don't have a stuck thermostat. If coolant level is low, the DDEC (computer) won't allow the engine to turn over.
Don't let anyone talk you into a multigrade oil for the Detroit! Search previous posts. Delo 100 (not 400), Shell Rotella, other very low ash straight SAE 40 oils are to be used. Buy 7 gallons. It will use 5.5 gallons so you will have some left over to carry with you.
Use your phone to call other Detroit/Allison owners for advice. No need to reinvent the wheel.
Pierce
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on April 20, 2015, 01:18:14 pm
FWIW, Decrepit derelict 89 OREG has set on a lot near me for at least five years. I noticed a week ago that someone had the hatches open and was working on it. Before I could get back and be nosey it was gone. I HOPE that someone was getting it running so that they could rehab it. Will be a lifetime job, broken windows, graffiti, mold, really sorry looking and an OREG too, quite a project. Gary B
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Dan Stansel on April 20, 2015, 05:11:42 pm
Mark: There may be manuals on the internet. google for them. Beamalarm could have them. DAN
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on April 20, 2015, 08:21:15 pm
I posted most all the electrical schematics for U300s. Do a search and if you can't find them, I'll send you the PDF's. Foretravel had included manuals for all the brakes, transmission, air suspension, etc from the major suppliers but aside from the good electrical schematics, not real accurate info on filters, block heaters, capacities for the Detroit engine. There are side radiators and two kinds at that and then the rear radiator you have, two or three air intake systems, exhaust, etc. The internet is a good source for valve adjustment, correct oil, and the forum for owners who have had lots of experience with the little stuff.
Here is the link to the most important site: Foreforums Foretravel Wiki (https://wiki.foreforums.com/doku.php?id=start)
Pierce
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: JohnFitz on April 20, 2015, 08:58:38 pm
Mark, A word about the air bag leveling system on your coach. Your 89 has the manual leveling like my coach. It went away starting in 92 with the HWH electronic system. Few people on the forum are familiar with the manual system. There are three black metal levers on the left side of the drivers seat built into the floor. When you move/drive the coach you want all three of those levers in the middle upright position - you should be able to feel a detent for the center position. The center position sets all the air bags for travel height. Of course they won't do anything unless the brake system air pressure has built up. Your coach will also have a 3/4hp 120VAC air compressor under the steps in the basement - it will run only if you have shore or generator power. It's controlled with a common pressure switch found on many small shop air compressors (goes on at about 75 psi and off at about 100psi). That is all you need to know to get it home. Leveling is only really necessary if your refrigerator is running. Once home you can read about how to level the coach from the attached instructions.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Kemahjohn on April 20, 2015, 09:58:17 pm
That manual leveling system is the best there is. I have it on my 1990 U280. It never breaks. Oh how I wish I had it on my 96' U320 instead of the HWH.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 21, 2015, 03:34:51 am
Mark, A word about the air bag leveling system on your coach. Your 89 has the manual leveling like my coach. It went away starting in 92 with the HWH electronic system. Few people on the forum are familiar with the manual system. There are three black metal levers on the left side of the drivers seat built into the floor. When you move/drive the coach you want all three of those levers in the middle upright position - you should be able to feel a detent for the center position. The center position sets all the air bags for travel height. Of course they won't do anything unless the brake system air pressure has built up. Your coach will also have a 3/4hp 120VAC air compressor under the steps in the basement - it will run only if you have shore or generator power. It's controlled with a common pressure switch found on many small shop air compressors (goes on at about 75 psi and off at about 100psi). That is all you need to know to get it home. Leveling is only really necessary if your refrigerator is running. Once home you can read about how to level the coach from the attached instructions.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 21, 2015, 01:40:57 pm
Just an update and info.
I have pictures of my coach in an email.. I don't know how I'd post them to share on the forum.
There is all new wood flooring, an a new headliner from front to back...
I Paid 6K for it and bought it sight unseen. just the pictures of it and speaking with the owner on the phone. His Son passed away who really owned it, and was buried last Saturday, God rest his soul.
The exterior is a little rough as all the decals are removed. He was working on the exterior before he got sick.
I am working on a check list now...
I don't know what kind of transmission fluid I need yet for that Allison. Can you check the tranny fluid without it running? or is it like most cars, check when hot and engine running ?
What about the coolant? just put water in it? or use some antifreeze too?
There is no bottom step to get in, its missing.. just a wire hanging there, I assume it was electric?
I will build a set of wooden steps today to take along. It would be nice if I knew how high it is from the ground to the first step. I am needing double hip replacement, and walk with 2 canes, I should have measured it when I was there last Friday ::) ::)
Lining up liability insurance today, an purchasing a one way trip tag.
I am a bit scared to fire it up, so afraid I'm going to screw something up. :o
Thanks to everyone for all your input
Mark
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Kemahjohn on April 21, 2015, 03:03:51 pm
If it has lube oil and coolant and transmission fluid is showing on the stick, it should be fine to crank. The transmission fluid should be checked again as soon as it's running to see if it's in range.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on April 21, 2015, 06:27:27 pm
The exterior is a little rough as all the decals are removed.
There are a number of Foretravel coaches running around the country "naked" (without any decals). Some owners actually prefer the "clean" look of all-white gelcoat (you know who you are). The exterior can be buffed out to a really nice looking, extremely smooth finish, and then sealed. You might find the look grows on you!
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: rbark on April 21, 2015, 06:47:44 pm
Mark, to be sure Trans oil level is correct, check after you've brought the eng up to temps, check with eng in neutral, idling. Welcome aboard, you will have fun with your new coach!
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on April 21, 2015, 06:56:44 pm
The ...743.jpg is our U300 taken this last January in Quartzsite. Yes, we do like the look. Was thinking about a bit of a Deco design with the period colors but not that easy to revisit the 1930's without some artistic talent. I might be lacking there so it will stay white for a while.
An air compressor with a HF air sander, a very, very small spray from a hose and some 3000 wet or dry will make the Fiberglas shine. The sander is only about $25 and works better than the $250 dedicated air/water sanders. See at: Jitterbug Orbital Air Sander (http://www.harborfreight.com/jitterbug-orbital-air-sander-90115.html) Will take a few days and a lot of patience to get it right. Ours is not all done yet.
Pierce
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 21, 2015, 07:28:03 pm
There are a number of Foretravel coaches running around the country "naked" (without any decals). Some owners actually prefer the "clean" look of all-white gelcoat (you know who you are). The exterior can be buffed out to a really nice looking, extremely smooth finish, and then sealed. You might find the look grows on you!
I do like this look.. it stands out nicely and is different.. thanks for those pics !
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: prfleming on April 21, 2015, 10:08:01 pm
I have pictures of my coach in an email.. I don't know how I'd post them to share on the forum.
Mark: Send me a direct message, I'll give you my email, you can send those pictures and I can post them for you.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: prfleming on April 21, 2015, 10:42:42 pm
Here are Mark's pictures. Folks, this has to be the deal of the century!
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: JohnFitz on April 21, 2015, 10:56:05 pm
It's an SAI just like mine. Side Aisle Island Bed floorplan.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 22, 2015, 03:04:52 am
Thanks for posting the pictures prfleming :)
The front angle of the windshield reminds me of the space shuttle
She is a beast ;D
Astronomy and Space Flight, Astronomie und Raumfahrt und dies und das... :: (http://www.gerhards.net/Gallery-sts123-pic-sts_123_dec_testing.phtml)
I was this close to a mock up at NASA, I put Flat Stanley on the windshield and snapped a picture for my nephew's school project in Ohio.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: twobus on April 23, 2015, 12:17:08 am
Wow. Wotta deal. We paid 13 for ours, '89 unihome. You have lots of headroom for fix-its. Photos look pretty darn good. The folks on this site *Will* get you going and keep you running.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on April 23, 2015, 11:45:35 am
Mark,
Perhaps if another member is in the Houston area, they could check you out in your new purchase. A coach this size and complexity will require some help to make sure you get to use it without any incidents. Check out the member list on the forum. An offer of a little $ might be the incentive to bring you some good advice and instruction and save a lot in the long run.
Pierce
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on April 23, 2015, 06:16:39 pm
Good news, previous owner sent me an owners manual... Bad news is, it's pretty much just wiring schematics..
Believe it or not, the schematics (110V wiring, 12V wiring, "automotive" wiring, and air system) are arguably the most important parts of the Owner's Manual! The other sections are certainly nice to have, and will ease your transition into a new-to-you coach, but the schematics are essential.
I am assuming I can access the motor from some panel in the rear to check and add fluids ?
Every diesel pusher Foretravel I've seen has some kind of engine access hatch in the rear cap. Should be one on your coach...
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: prfleming on April 23, 2015, 08:50:35 pm
Yes, I agree you will want some assistance to get this coach on the road. There are a lot of little things if you are brand new to running an older diesel coach with air suspension and air brakes. Some initial road check items require a second person. A few basic things I can think of for a very short trip, maybe others can add/modify:
- Check engine oil level - (after sitting for 2 years) check tranny oil level - Check antifreeze level, make sure antifreeze completely fills the radiator sight glass - Start engine, immediately watch for oil pressure (should be 60 to 80 lbs cold) - Check for any oil or antifreeze leaks - Air up the coach (air dryer should purge at approx 120 psi), air bags should rise, at full lift you should be able to put your fist (approx) between the top of each wheel and the coach. If this distance is drastically different, check your leveling levers by driver seat. If these are centered, you may have a problem with your one of your leveling air valves. Do not drive the coach until air bags adjust to proper height. - Make sure air pressure holds, at full pressure (approx 120 lbs) shut off engine, watch air gauges for say 20 minutes. Listen for leaks. There should be no noticeable pressure drop in 20 minutes. (Some coaches lose some pressure overnight, this is acceptable). - Pop the front hub caps off and check wheel bearing oil level - Exercise the air brakes, have someone watch all brakes clamp and release (release parking brake to check rear brakes). All brake levers should clamp and release freely and move approx the same distance. - Dash voltmeter should indicate 13+ volts, indicating alternator is charging - Check all external lights (headlights, running, brake, turn, backup) - Check tire pressure (should be an air hose in compartment by aux compressor if you need air). Recommended pressure is on your chassis card by the driver seat. - With parking brake released, put coach in drive or reverse, coach should roll easily (if not you may have a seized brake) - Before getting in traffic, test the brakes a few times. The rotors will be rusty and dusty. - Keep an eye on your engine coolant temp gauge while driving.
All...agree? Did I forget anything important...?
- If everything above checks out, I think you are ready...
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 24, 2015, 06:07:58 am
Thanks Peter and John,
Very informative and helpful.. I have printed out most of the advice from this thread.
All very overwhelming to say the least..
I guess I'll take an electric drill and some bit's along today in case I don't have a key for the access cover.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: pocketchange on April 24, 2015, 11:02:56 pm
What's the rush to get it moved?? I would be very ginger about running it anywhere with the chance of getting broke down on the side of the road. You think your moving costs are high now, wait till you are sitting on the side of the Blvd!
As for a reasonable towing service, let me know if you are still in need and I'll forward you a number. pc
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 25, 2015, 05:38:56 am
Update,
Yesterday, Batteries installed, aired up tires to 90 PSI, checked fluids,
She fired right up.
The radiator , I put 2 gallons in it.. but it still doesn't show in the fill glass..
So, I only ran the motor roughly 10 seconds and shut it off..
Interesting, there is a "heat" switch in the rear Camera switch and screen box, a two way momentary switch, I assume for the glow plugs? and next to it, another two way momentary switch, that says start and stop, with the ignition key on, the motor started and stopped off that control switch.. It also obviously starts with just turning the ignition key..
This it what I am talking about. all these controls and switches.. an I don't know what the heck I'm doing...
I have no idea how to even put the coach in drive or reverse , is it a push button? There are no buttons, Is it some kind of touch sensor?
Mark
I had my $8 an hour worker crawl up under the coach into the motor room and release the locked access panel, as I had no key.. I bought a replacement lock with key at home depot and installed it.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: stump on April 25, 2015, 06:59:16 am
Shift selector is touchpad r to left of steering wheel.
Switches next to monitor start generator
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: ohsonew on April 25, 2015, 07:42:02 am
Mark,
Glad to hear that there is life in this classic ^.^d
Larry
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Dan Stansel on April 25, 2015, 08:58:40 am
Mark: The more you do the more you learn. Soon you will have the knowledge you need :)) lots of help on the forum. Just ask and you will receive the answer. There is untapped knowledge out there about Foretravels.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: pocketchange on April 25, 2015, 11:08:21 am
713-772-8697 Priority Towing or 713-545-1740 Cantu
Mention you got the number from James @ LaRue Automotive we are over by PPL in the SW part of town.
If you need axle caps, let me know as I have a pair I'll loan. (guessing your diff is the same as my 95'.) pc
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on April 25, 2015, 11:26:46 am
First want to check to make sure it says U300 with the 2 cycle Detroit. Other models may have the V8 8.2 four cycle Detroit installed, a completely different engine. Sometimes owners have no idea what they are selling and without the owner's manual, you won't either.
Glow plugs are for the generator. You heat for perhaps 10 seconds if weather is mild, 30 seconds or so if cold weather before cranking the generator in the cab. Duplicate switch in the generator compartment. Check generator coolant, belt tension and top hose for kink.
Don't drive it without all mirrors working and not at night until you get used to it. Get another owner to go through all the systems as there are a million things to learn and even if you had the manual, it only covers a fraction of what you need to know. Brake pads may be sticking from the years of storage so need to be checked.
Pierce
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 25, 2015, 12:20:14 pm
Thanks, I'll give them a call.. Yes, appreciate the loan of the covers..
713-772-8697 Priority Towing or 713-545-1740 Cantu
Mention you got the number from James @ LaRue Automotive we are over by PPL in the SW part of town.
If you need axle caps, let me know as I have a pair I'll loan. (guessing your diff is the same as my 95'.) pc
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 25, 2015, 01:04:51 pm
Well... That changes everything..!!
I was initially turning the ignition key to start the Detroit.. it was acting like it wanted to fire up...
I saw the heat switch to the right, thinking it must have glow plugs.. heated the plugs for maybe 20 seconds.... and hit the start button next to it, I now hear it turning over again, but a little faster and smoother.. fired right up.. I shut it down with the same on /off switch 10 seconds later.
So.. I thought it was the Detroit that had fired up...
Hey, good news, the generator runs...
Bad news, the trip yesterday was to get the Detroit fired up. And I went to bed last night thinking I had ..... :(
Shift selector is touchpad r to left of steering wheel.
Switches next to monitor start generator
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on April 25, 2015, 03:29:48 pm
Mark,
Yes, the Detroit starts on the key, generator on the other panel. With the Detroit, turn it over with your foot off the pedal or just a slight pressure. If the weather is warm like later in the day, it should start up in a few seconds even after sitting for years. If you are plugged in to shore power, go back by the bed, find the labeled switch (down low at the front) and turn on the block heater for a few hours. Make sure to turn it off before trying to start the Detroit. Don't crank the main engine with the block heater switch in the on position. You can feel if the block heater is working by putting your hand on the engine after a few hours. Many block heaters have burned out and don't work even though the block heater switch lights up when you flip the switch.
Almost impossible to drive without all mirrors working correctly. Not only for your safety but for others on the road. Driving a big RV is like making a transition from a theme park self paddle boat to the Queen Mary.
This is only the tip of the iceberg. Another owner is a must to get you going down the right path.
Pierce
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 25, 2015, 04:50:28 pm
Thanks pierce...
I will head back up there again Sunday.. to try again..
Aired up tires to 90 PSI as per the spec. plate at drivers area.
I couldn't get the air chuck on the air stems for the inside rear wheels.. looks like if I had an air chuck that was designed straight with the air exiting on the end straight forward.. it would work.. I've never seen one like this.... they must exist :-\
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: stump on April 25, 2015, 04:57:11 pm
I bought mine at napa.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: coastprt on April 25, 2015, 07:17:23 pm
Mark,
You are well on your way to bringing back one of these great machines to it's former glory. You are also fortunate to be a member of this great forum with all the free advice from your fellow Foretravel buddies who enjoy helping a friend get one back on the road. The collective knowledge and experience here is incredible and matched only by their willingness to share it. I know because without it I would be lost in most instances where I had a problem or was unaware of what to look out for in preventative maintenance, etc.
The worst thing for these magnificent beasts is to let one sit up for a long period and not run it and not check out the various onboard systems. Take your time in getting it going again and check it out thoroughly before taking a road test as others have stated. These diesels are a different animal and it's good you have a diesel mechanic with so much experience.
The brakes and suspensions on these rigs are superior to most but age and neglect will surely cause you some problems. I didn't even know my front brakes were not working because the slack adjusters were rusted out until I went to FOT and had them inspect the suspension and brakes. The rear brakes and the Jake were still doing the job! They also found a leak in one of the valves in the front air tanks. A trip to the factory where it was made for inspection is well worth it in my opinion. Plus, you will probably see more Foretravels and meet their owners there than anywhere else outside of a rally or at Quartzite.
I would also flash the codes to see if there are any before getting out on the highway. I have a 93 U300 and you can read the codes on the engine and transmission easily by lifting the dash and switching the flasher switches on and waiting for the lights to give you the codes. Turning the key to the first position should give you all the historical codes without having to start the engine. I'm not sure if yours has the code flashers but others here with the same year as yours can tell you. Also after starting make sure your check engine and check trans red lights on the dash go out after a few seconds. I would not drive it if they stay on until you find out what is causing it.
A Pro-Link 9000 or another diagnostic reader would also be very helpful here if your mechanic has one. I have one and I won't leave home without it! It's invaluable for running cylinder cut-out tests, clearing codes, and running at fast idle (1000 rpms) which is extremely important for cooling down after a hard pull or idling for more than 8 minutes as Pierce has noted many times. I believe you have DDEC I and your engine is electronically controlled with a DDL under the dash on the drivers side. All of this is overwhelming at first but it's a long learning curve as all of us have experienced.
Good luck and I look forward to reading about your success!
Jerry
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 25, 2015, 10:31:18 pm
Thanks Jerry, (coastprt) for your support and advice,
My mechanic wasn't able to make it yesterday so I am going this pretty much alone, except for all of you.. thank Lord for ya'll :)
Stump, I did go to NAPA but they didn't have a short stem in stock... long stem was 20 bucks.. went to Oreily's and bought a short stem straight air chuck for 8 bucks..
Also went to Kroger an bought 12 gallons of distilled water.. My mechanic said, if it was his coach he would "rack" the cooling system before driving it home.. Said it was important to check the nitrate level.. said he and his dad made more money rebuilding Detroits over the years for lack of Nitrates.. said it will burn holes quickly thru the cylinder sleeves? cylinder walls?
Said, big trucks parts stores all sell nitrate test kits.. and nitrate.. use the test strips... follow directions and test again after the motor has run some.
Funny, my worker was standing behind the coach when I thought the Detroit was running.. he thought it was the Detroit running too.. the sound from the 7.5 onan must have resonated towards the rear of the coach.. Sheesh... Mutt and Jeff working on the Grand Villa.... ::)
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 26, 2015, 05:39:52 am
Thanks Andyr,
A member had given that info to me earlier in this thread.. I hadn't called them yet, because there wasn't time.. I have till this coming Thursday to have it removed from the property.. 5 days and ticking..
A tractor with a box blade leveled out my truckload of limestone pad for it yesterday... tick tock tick tock
I have an 89 and I would bet you have Ramco mirrors on yours like mine has. They are still in business and are great people. They sent my some parts for free! I'll bet they could fix you up with the proper replacement glass you need for that mirror. A quick Google search will get your there contact info..
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 26, 2015, 06:04:58 am
Coastprt got me to searching for info on flash codes..
I see they sell a cigarette lighter plug in with a 9 volt battery to retain memory if you disconnect your battery or change it out...
Too late for me.. I've already changed out my batteries. ::)
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: TheBrays on April 26, 2015, 09:33:03 am
Mark, I would expect a Foretravel metal placard somewhere under the drivers window. This placard will have things like gross weight specs, tire pressure specs, etc. If should also have your VIN number and a Fortravel model number. An example: MODEL NO : G94448736WTBIU280WE17 this says MODEL NO : G -GrandVilla 94 - 1994 4487 - Build number 36 - 36 ft WTBI - Floor plan U280 - coach model WE17- engine Post this number to the Forum and the motor guys can be more helpful. You could also call Parts at FOT with the Build Number for parts (like coolant) advise.
FWIW My knowledge of big (relatively) diesels is not as extensive as many but I would suggest a 50/50 coolant (silica - any auto parts store) rather than just distilled water. If you are going to flush anyway then you probably are ok till you get it home.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 26, 2015, 11:24:57 am
Thanks, I did see that placard as I was looking for tire pressure requirement, I'll look at it again and record the information. not going today after all, but doing the trip tomorrow, (Monday)
Mark, I would expect a Foretravel metal placard somewhere under the drivers window. This placard will have things like gross weight specs, tire pressure specs, etc. If should also have your VIN number and a Fortravel model number. An example: MODEL NO : G94448736WTBIU280WE17
(trimmed quote of entire post. Please remember to clip quotes - Michelle)
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on April 26, 2015, 10:26:39 pm
Towing charges can be very high and the coverage seems to be less each year. AAA coverage should be called AAA lite now. Is different depending on the state you live in. Think we will spring for another policy like Kent mentions.
Pierce
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 27, 2015, 07:04:34 am
What class of motor home is the Grand Villa considered...?
I will look into some sort of roadside coverage today.. Thanks
Mark
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Karl Shurtleff on April 27, 2015, 07:09:42 am
Class A....good luck today!
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: amos.harrison on April 27, 2015, 09:30:23 am
Mark,
Have you insured your new coach? Overland Insurance offers a steep discount on Coach-Net and also contributes to the Motorcade Club.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: danieljeff545 on April 27, 2015, 09:31:24 am
BTW....I have most of my operating manuals, I'm running a CAT but all the other stuff may match up. If you cant find a manual on web let me know I'll check my files for you. Jeff
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 27, 2015, 09:16:05 pm
BTW....I have most of my operating manuals, I'm running a CAT but all the other stuff may match up. If you cant find a manual on web let me know I'll check my files for you. Jeff
Jeff... I haven't had any luck at all in finding operating manuals.. I just have the wiring schematics in a 3 ring orange vinyl binder... I'm going to post an update in a bit from todays work on it... Thanks for your kind offer...
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: JohnFitz on April 27, 2015, 10:44:18 pm
So.. maybe a fuse blown for the gauges? I couldn't find the fuse panel..
I'm not 100% sure on a '89 but try to lift up the dash cover. Hinge would be closest to the windshield. Access to all the fuse is right there along with a "key" attached to the underside of the cover to help you find the right one. If the fuses check out OK look for a couple large wire nuts. IIRC, power for all the gauge passes through those wire nuts.
Your model number de-coding looks right. Sounds like you made some real good progress.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: John Haygarth on April 27, 2015, 11:49:08 pm
Mark, on the gauges see if there is 12+volts at the leads going into one of them and also check the grounds. As I do not know this model but would think it has the same solenoid set up all others have till late 90s. Maybe bad connection/or none and that is why they are not working. When you started it up did they work then stop once it was running?? JohnH
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 28, 2015, 03:41:12 am
Mark, on the gauges see if there is 12+volts at the leads going into one of them and also check the grounds. As I do not know this model but would think it has the same solenoid set up all others have till late 90s. Maybe bad connection/or none and that is why they are not working. When you started it up did they work then stop once it was running?? JohnH
No.. I didn't notice the gauges ever working... thanks I'll check for voltage at the leads...
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 28, 2015, 04:12:48 am
Hinge would be closest to the windshield. Access to all the fuse is right there along with a "key" attached to the underside of the cover to help you find the right one. If the fuses check out OK look for a couple large wire nuts. IIRC, power for all the gauge passes through those wire nuts.
Your model number de-coding looks right. Sounds like you made some real good progress.
Thanks John.. !
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Mark of Houston on April 28, 2015, 02:29:50 pm
Is there a part number or axel number you have to have to buy an axel hub cover?
I called Foretravel.. she wouldn't let me talk with a tech, since I am not a member of the motorcade. She said they changed the rules after the first of the year.. no member, no info... so sorry
I was just needing to know if 1995 and 1989 hub covers are the same.. if they are the same hubs for those years..
I called Allison Transmissions, spoke with a Tech, I asked him if the coach is running while being towed, I heard it wouldn't hurt the Transmission. He said he couldn't verify that, and didn't recommend it. Then said it might be true, but he would rather be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: JohnFitz on April 28, 2015, 06:20:26 pm
Mark, When I had my coach towed they removed the drive shaft. No extra parts are needed. On our older coaches its easier to get under and remove the drive shaft. Later models added a lot of other stuff in the engine area that makes it harder to get to. Before the truck arrived I took a paint pen and marked the joints so I could verify it went back in the same position and clocking - important to keep the balancing intact. In my opinion, pulling the drive shaft is much easier than pulling both axle shafts.
Title: Re: just bought 89 grandvilla 3 days ago, need help getting it started, or tow advic
Post by: Michelle on April 28, 2015, 10:07:12 pm
Locking this topic as it's branched into multiple that I'm busy splitting.
Please start new SPECIFIC topics rather than continuing this general one. Thanks ^.^d