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Title: Stranded Safely in Delavan WI: Ignition Switch Failure?
Post by: Old Knucklehead on August 09, 2015, 01:42:11 pm
We are parked safely and started our Cummins normally. Had voltage and air came up normally. Ready to roll and engine died as dash went dark. I cannot get dash gauges active in on position nor can I crank.

I suspect ignition switch as it has appeared to be sloppy recently, for lack of a better word. It may be original tumbler and key set. I have Coach Net service but hoped someone on the Forum might have an idea.
Title: Re: Stranded Safely in Delavan WI: Ignition Switch Failure?
Post by: Barry & Cindy on August 09, 2015, 01:52:09 pm
You don't want to be towed if it can be avoided.
The ignition switch powers 1 or 2 solenoids often located in the bottom center of the large 12-volt circuit breaker panel located behind the large vertical dash trim next to the door and in front of the co-pilot chair.
Pull off dash trim and with your 12-volt meter determine that the copper bus bars located on the panel have voltage when the key is on and don't have voltage  when key is off.
Sometimes the failure is in the ignition key itself, but more often it is the solenoid that powers the bus bars.
Battery terminals need to be clean and tight.
Title: Re: Stranded Safely in Delavan WI: Ignition Switch Failure?
Post by: prfleming on August 09, 2015, 02:07:37 pm
Do the headlights come on, this will confirm 12v is getting to the dash, if not the problem is further back in the coach. To add to Barry's good suggestions, you should hear a distinctive clunk when you turn the key to on - the solenoid closing. No clunk - could be your ignition switch, but if you hear a clunk, ignition switch is good and I would suspect the solenoid has quit making contact.
Title: Re: Stranded Safely in Delavan WI: Ignition Switch Failure?
Post by: wolfe10 on August 09, 2015, 02:58:56 pm
Sent you a PM.  Can walk you through diagnosing this in just a couple of minutes.  Locate the IGNITION SOLENOID. If you have a voltmeter pull it out.  If a test light, that will also work.
Title: Re: Stranded Safely in Delavan WI: Ignition Switch Failure?
Post by: Old Knucklehead on August 09, 2015, 03:05:16 pm
The bus doesn't show power with key on or off, if I am probing correctly. The solenoid "clunks" and shows 12V with key on. Terminals are clean and tight.
High beams headlights are not on with the  key on, but they should be.  Low beams working with or without key on, as designed.

Thanks for the rapid responses. Paul
Title: Re: Stranded Safely in Delavan WI: Ignition Switch Failure?
Post by: Old Knucklehead on August 09, 2015, 03:58:23 pm
Up and running again. The last rap on the solinoid with the screwdriver did the trick it seems. Thanks Brett, Peter and Barry! Time for a Blue Sea upgrade, I believe. Paul
Title: Re: Stranded Safely in Delavan WI: Ignition Switch Failure?
Post by: Michelle on August 09, 2015, 04:26:21 pm
Up and running again. The last rap on the solinoid with the screwdriver did the trick it seems. Thanks Brett, Peter and Barry!

2 1/2 hours from first post through diagnosis to success...  ^.^d
Title: Re: Stranded Safely in Delavan WI: Ignition Switch Failure?
Post by: Gary Bouland (RIP) on August 09, 2015, 04:27:26 pm
That sure does beat a two hour wait for a tow and the greasy kid that comes with the tow truck. :)
Gary B