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Title: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2015, 08:24:39 am
Have seen this fiver on my regular route between houses for 8 or so years. Yesterday went by and saw that it had burned out. Stopped and saw the owner who was working in the yard. Nice guy, he and his wife were getting ready last Friday to leave on a 2 week camping trip - went out in the AM and turned on refrigerator to cool it down. Said he did not smell any ammonia smell, and went outside to get his pickup and bring it around to connect to his trailer. As he came back towards coach in his truck he heard a "whoosh" sound and saw flames coming out the side of the coach at the refrigerator vent. Grabbed an extinguisher, but could not really get at the source of the fire, and gave up fearing how fast the fire was spreading. Wife had called 911, fire department came from about 2.2 miles away but this is what they could save.
Would not have wanted to be in there when the fire started. I say it again, really glad to be on the residential refrigerator user list.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: bobnkathy on August 28, 2015, 08:40:45 am
After so many fires like these - I ask myself why would anyone not want a residential refrigerator in their rig? I would and have replaced my refrigerator with a residential unit, installed an induction cooktop, and removed all traces of propane out of my rig. This surely makes it much safer and practical. Thats is my opinion. Bob
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Caflashbob on August 28, 2015, 08:50:35 am
After so many fires like these - I ask myself why would anyone not want a residential refrigerator in their rig? I would and have replaced my refrigerator with a residential unit, installed an induction cooktop, and removed all traces of propane out of my rig. This surely makes it much safer and practical. Thats is my opinion. Bob
Hard to argue safety.
Offset by the potential $10k cost and the limit on dry camping without altering the weight balance of the coach a bit and adding $3 an hour for the gen run time.
My guru buddy mentions not getting a residential refer with the motor tipped on its side as the unit can be damaged trying to compress liquid versus gasses. Those in particular were not made to be in a moving vehicle. Says residential
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: John S on August 28, 2015, 09:05:57 am
Well, I boondock with no issues with my residential and pulled my stove too. I have no issue running my generator too. It will use about a half gallon or so an hour on light load recharging batteries or cooking. Diesel was just filled up at 2.32 a gallon so not even close to 3 dollars an hour. Residential so have been in coaches a long time now and I hear less about failures then I do the gas models.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Carol Savournin on August 28, 2015, 09:24:35 am
Couldn't agree more. The electric fridges run so much better, are safer, definitely give me peace of mind. I am going to run the generator anyway, even with our solar, because I watch TV in the evening. VERY happy with our new fridge. We were recently boon docking in front of our daughter's home ... the only time the solar couldn't keep up with the needs of the fridge were when it was over 90 degrees and the sun was hitting the coach. Otherwise, it maintains just fine.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: John S on August 28, 2015, 09:33:35 am
Over 90 degrees and we turn on the AC so that is not an issue. Heck if it is 85 it is on as it is always so humid out here in the SE.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: krush on August 28, 2015, 09:34:26 am
You know also what can catch on fire? Engines, and brakes, and generators, and inverters! In fact, I wonder how many inverter/battery systems cause fires.
It is well known that the fridge needs to be kept clean behind from animal nests, spider webs, etc. I think newer RV fridges are likely safer. Fires happen in many systems.
If the fridges were so dangerous and caused so many casualties, the insurance companies would be tired of paying out. Thus, they would either not insure RV's with propane fridges, charge extremely high rates, and thus force the industry to not install them in new RV's.
I love my propane fridge. It's quiet, works, and gives me no trouble. Could it catch fire? I guess so. But I'm more worried about the massive battery bank with that heavy wire that just takes some cable chaffing to melt down the whole place.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2015, 09:41:04 am
Hey guys just showing a picture not trying to start a religious debate! Bob's never going to change his mind and I'm never going to change mine so it is what it is. as Dave M says do what makes you happy.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 28, 2015, 09:46:18 am
Actually insurance companies will ensure anything. And the propane fire risk is a factored into the rate based based on the loss history. Luckily very few of these refrigerators do catch fire however they are the preeminent cause of casualties and catastrophic loss in stationary RV's. You cannot opt out of wind damage, etc., it will occur when and where decides to. But you can opt out of the propane refrigerator. Interestingly enough I've yet to hear anybody who has residential want to go back.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Tom Lang on August 28, 2015, 10:00:02 am
Just curious, how many (modern) Firetravel coaches other than mine have had refrigerator fires? How many have had real damage result, damage other than to the refrigerator itself?
The reason I ask is that my fire caused no damage to the coach itself. My coach is a 2003 build, the refrigerator had a sheet metal plate directing the flame upwards, and unlike other RV's, the refrigerator was well away from flame resistant foam protecting the side wall rather than right next to luan and wood framing. The flame was intense and loud, very visible through the side vent. I was able to remove the vent cover and put the fire out, but it would have run out of hydrogen gas and gone out on it's own about that time. I was running on AC (auto select) at the time, not cooling very well.
After the fire, I compared my refrigerator compartment to other RVs in the campground. On mine, the flame was about three inches away from blue foam insulation. On others, that flame would have been 1/4 inch away from the luan inner sidewall and wood framing.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Raymond Jordan on August 28, 2015, 10:09:48 am
Hi Tom, I think there was a bus style front Foretravel that was a total loss years back. I remember seeing pictures here, or the old forum. It may have been a forum member. It looked like the fifth wheeler in this posting. Not much left. Raymond
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Peter & Beth on August 28, 2015, 10:16:22 am
Son just bought a Forest River 5th wheel and it came with inverter and residential fridge.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: bobnkathy on August 28, 2015, 10:17:07 am
One great item about having a residential refrigerator - No Defrosting by Hand! :D
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Carol Savournin on August 28, 2015, 10:27:50 am
One great item about having a residential refrigerator - No Defrosting by Hand! :D
AMEN to that!!! I HATED that job, and it was more and more frequent.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on August 28, 2015, 10:35:23 am
So purchase an Atwood 8cf helium RV fridge for $999 new with inexpensive shipping. 110V/propane operation. Does away with the ammonia fire danger. 4.8 out of 5 rating from 14,000 reviews. Could be switched to 110V only if someone wanted to take the propane out of the equation. No worries about installation or doors coming open, etc. when residential unit is used.
Helium Refrigerator for RVs - by Atwood - PPL Motor Homes (http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/rv-refrigerators/atwood-helium-rv-fridge.htm)
We almost never run the generator as any noise or vibration drives me crazy. Still going to make the generator compartment fire resistive for those times we need it for the AC.
You can never get too smug about OEM fire protection. Lots of photos of coaches that have burned.
Pierce
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Bill Willett on August 28, 2015, 11:38:40 am
Offset by the potential $10k cost and the limit on dry camping without altering the weight balance of the coach a bit and adding $3 an hour for the gen run time.
My guru buddy mentions not getting a residential refer with the motor tipped on its side as the unit can be damaged trying to compress liquid versus gasses. Those in particular were not made to be in a moving vehicle. Says residential
Your guru buddy's theory is not correct, the Coleman Mach 8 AC low profile uses a Scroll compressor that lays on it's side, so I guess we should not buy this type of AC for our coach's. Do what makes you happy.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on August 28, 2015, 12:14:02 pm
Gee, mine was less than $1000 installed for everything and I got to keep the cherry panels from the old gas refrigerator. One might be hard pressed to find anyone who spent even $5k to just have a refrigerator installed.
We are happy with our choice. You should be happy with yours. I am not switching back. Roger
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Caflashbob on August 28, 2015, 12:15:07 pm
Hey guys just showing a picture not trying to start a religious debate! Bob's never going to change his mind and I'm never going to change mine so it is what it is. as Dave M says do what makes you happy.
Your 2000 has a quiet gen in a box does it not? Mine does not. Funny enough the noise inside is fairly low. Externally the low frequency noise is audible for a considerable distance in a quiet enviournment as is the diesel smell downwind.
Last gen I could not hear or especially smell was a 20k Martin turbo charged gen set on air feet inside of a sound insulated compartment on prevost busses.
We prefer seperated forest service campsites with probably no pedestal.
And prefer not to have to close the windows if we are downwind of a Diesel engine running.
And someone in a tent or small trailer or pop up downwind seems to be the norm.
Been dirt riders in the dez for more than 40 years and any noise mars the experience to us.
The three dollars an hour was factoring in periodic maintenance to the gen and assorted system parts.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Caflashbob on August 28, 2015, 12:20:03 pm
Gee, mine was less than $1000 installed for everything and I got to keep the cherry panels from the old gas refrigerator. One might be hard pressed to find anyone who spent even $5k to just have a refrigerator installed.
We are happy with our choice. You should be happy with yours. I am not switching back. Roger
Did you upgrade your inverter and add extra or new batteries?
2812 magnum is $2k plus install. Four 8G8d's are 2,400 plus cabling and installation.
$2-3k worth of solar if you prefer no smells or noise camping.
Plus the refer and installation.
Plugged in to a pedestal every day makes for a different decision than the forest areas we prefer.
Probably the same reason we have not painted over the white gel coat.
Neighbor next to us at the beach yesterday in a painted four slide diplomat had the a/c on at 9 am because the coach heated up as the sun hit it quickly.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Caflashbob on August 28, 2015, 12:34:20 pm
Your guru buddy's theory is not correct, the Coleman Mach 8 AC low profile uses a Scroll compressor that lays on it's side, so I guess we should not buy this type of AC for our coach's. Do what makes you happy.
Obviously engineered to be in a moving vehicle. The intake for the internal pump was probably designed to suck in gas not liquid in the Rv while moving.
Bill said he can hear the compressor piston making noises while braking as liquid enters it from the laid over compressors.
But he is a 30 year Rv cooling system engineer and was vogues design guy way back when.
The hat style compressors do not seem to have as much of an issue with the compressors piston trying to compress liquid he mentioned.
The larger capacity new refers are the ones he noticed the noises in. Space was made by laying over the compressor.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: John S on August 28, 2015, 01:18:31 pm
No need to upgrade inverter, no new batteries but the pulling of the stove after I had the fridge in was made easier and I had room for one more battery. Run my generator a couple hours in the morning after dry camping if I am moving anyway to prevent overtaxing the alternator. It is not made to recharge but to maintain. I paid about1800 dollars to have my fridge installed. I have no issue running a generator once a day for a bit or if I wanted solar then no real gen time. I had solar on my 99 and found where I stay has shade so it does not work out east as well.
No risk of fire and no issues. I pulled my coach out of the garage in the morning and the next morning at 10 am I started up the generator manually and got on the road. I can go over 24 hours without being plugged in with my residential. Oh and I bought my gel batteries for about 300 bucks each after core return. So three new batteries as they were aged out was 900 bucks.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Keith and Joyce on August 28, 2015, 01:31:36 pm
When I looked into RV fridge fires a while back I came across a figure of 4,000 per year. If that's true then it's a serious problem. 40,000 over 10 years! Manufacturers should have fixed the problem not just patched it.
Keith
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on August 28, 2015, 02:23:59 pm
Bob, I did not have to change inverters or add batteries. I did the install myself, sold the LP refrig, bought my Samsung for under $1K. Final out of pocket was closer to $850 all in.
I am glad your setup works fine for you. Others have different ideas and different needs. You have made you opinions known but most of us with residential refrigerators have actual experience that is quite different from what you and your guru friend think we should be experiencing.
Camp and use your coach the way you want to for your needs. Everyone else will do the same. And it may be different from what you do but not wrong.
Roger
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Lon and Cheryl on August 28, 2015, 03:52:43 pm
Just curious, how many (modern) Firetravel coaches other than mine have had refrigerator fires? How many have had real damage result, damage other than to the refrigerator itself?
The reason I ask is that my fire caused no damage to the coach itself. My coach is a 2003 build, the refrigerator had a sheet metal plate directing the flame upwards, and unlike other RV's, the refrigerator was well away from flame resistant foam protecting the side wall rather than right next to luan and wood framing. The flame was intense and loud, very visible through the side vent. I was able to remove the vent cover and put the fire out, but it would have run out of hydrogen gas and gone out on it's own about that time. I was running on AC (auto select) at the time, not cooling very well.
After the fire, I compared my refrigerator compartment to other RVs in the campground. On mine, the flame was about three inches away from blue foam insulation. On others, that flame would have been 1/4 inch away from the luan inner sidewall and wood framing.
You can add my Foretravel to the list. Thats the refrigerator laying on the sofa.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: krush on August 28, 2015, 04:31:12 pm
Actually insurance companies will ensure anything. And the propane fire risk is a factored into the rate based based on the loss history.
If it was a huge problem, we all would be asked by our insurance agent, "Do you have a propane refrigerator?" Kind of like homeowners insurance asks if you have a pool and/or a trampoline.
Anyway, the previous owner replaced my norcold about 3 years ago, so it's the updated design. It has a high temp sensor on the stack. It works great, no complaints. Quiet. Sure I have to defrost once in a while.
My RV isn't a house. I boondock and camp away from power quite a bit--often in the shade. I dont need huge amounts of food storage. For people that stay places where there is a power plug, a residential works fine. We all have different usage requirements. I like quiet. I easily can go 5-7 days without starting any engine....in the shade.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Tom Lang on August 28, 2015, 04:49:25 pm
If it was a huge problem, we all would be asked by our insurance agent, "Do you have a propane refrigerator?" Kind of like homeowners insurance asks if you have a pool and/or a trampoline.
Anyway, the previous owner replaced my norcold about 3 years ago, so it's the updated design. It has a high temp sensor on the stack. It works great, no complaints. Quiet. Sure I have to defrost once in a while.
I agree with you about different strokes for different uses. I will say that the newer cooling units are worse then the older ones. This whole issue came about from early 2000s when the EPA restricted the amount of Sodium Chromate in the tubes to protect them. It started becoming a big problem after they reduced the amount and they caused the tubes to rupture and catch on fire. the shield is not anything other then a method to try to prevent a fire not save the cooling unit.
That said, I have one in my small born free and there is no way I could change it too a residential as there is not enough battery space to put in enough amp hours so, I keep it in that coach even though I went to a residential in the Foretravel.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 28, 2015, 08:39:00 pm
Is it OK to mention that folks who prefer the gas refrig. might also like the suspense wondering when ??
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Tom Lang on August 28, 2015, 10:11:49 pm
Ouch. Much worse than mine. Was it operating on propane at the time? How did the coach fare, damage wise?
The fire happened before I bought it. I bought it from a re builder with a rebuilt title. I tracked down the original owner in Alabama before I bought it. He gave me the life story on the coach. The fire started the day before he and his wife were going to leave for an Alaska trip. This was the first trip they were going to make together. He originally bought the coach to tour his region as an Insurance agent, not to be used for camping.
He had a shed on his property that he kept the coach in. The day before the trip he decided to start the refrigerator so it would be cold when they loaded it. He was standing outside the coach and noticed out of the corner of his eye a wisp of smoke come out of the refrigerator outside vent. He stated that the fire took off so fast there was little he could do but call 911. He did his best to keep the fire down. Inspection showed a small "nest" built in the rear of the refrigerator vent ignited then apparently ignited the ammonia. I replaced about a 5x6' section that burned through the roof. The surrounding cabinets were burned. The flames spread across the roof all the way to the front and scorched the walnut cabinets over the drivers seat. The fire burned up the top walnut pantry door across from the refrigerator. The fire followed air paths. One was to the roof vent in the bathroom were the entire vent and control knobs were melted. The ceiling liner was burned and the insulation half way to the front of the coach was completely gone, melted away, as was the ceiling and insulation half way through the bathroom. All the wiring behind the refrigerator was melted. Needless to say I bought the coach for a very good price. The coach was driven from Texas to Chicago in the condition you see it in the pictures. A testament to Foretravel endurance! The guy who drove it here praised the way it drove and how fast it was. I will never forget the original owner talking about the Foretravel, he was holding back tears as he talked on the phone. He loved the coach! He told me " HELL if your going to buy a RV buy what ever you want, If your going to buy a MOTORHOME you buy a Foretravel"! I was able to upgrade everything inside the coach and have it exactly like we want. Somethings still need to be addressed but the big stuff is done. My main concentration the last few years has shifted to mechanical updates, they too are about done. I hope to give a fully rebuilt coach to my Son and his Wife someday. Hopefully they will enjoy it for 20+ years.
When you see what the fire can do in a small amount of time and the way it rapidly engulfs ALL EXITS OF ESCAPE I would NEVER have an ammonia based refrigerator in anything! In fact any source of flame that I can't see and monitor scares me!
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 29, 2015, 09:57:50 am
After seeing the results of two refrigerator fires, one near my home and another burnt out Tiffin at Parliament, if I had a propane refrigerator I would most certainly have fire suppression. It's not clear to me why folks with propane insist that the generator is always running to keep the refrigerator going in my coach. Or that people would residential refrigerators need to be tied to a power pedestal. I boondock a LOT at NASCAR races. I have three junk 9 year old 8D batteries for house batteries, and yet I easily go all night running the aqua hot and refrigerator, not plugged in with the generator on autostart. The generator does not kick on until I turn it on in the morning to make coffee run the microwave, and at that point I let it run 45 minutes to an hour. I'm sure if I had solar that wouldn't be required. Fires can and will start anywhere in your house, in your shop, or in the coach. I have four fire extinguishers on board the coach three inside and one below. I don't think these extinguishers would be A match for a hungry fire. So I choose to take the most dangerous device out of the equation, but that doesn't make me feel 100% safe. Plus the space and convenience of a residential are you worlds I had of any propane refrigerator. An argument could be made for Danfoss or helium solutions if that's your thing but to dismiss residential refrigerators for use while Boondocking flies in the face of my personal experience. Speaking of solar I'm heading to solar power international in Los Angeles midmonth. It is the world's largest solar conference and we are exhibiting the hyper sure start there alongside Generac. I'll let you know what I see that is of interest to our forum.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: krush on August 29, 2015, 10:10:11 am
"Boondocking" for many people doesn't involve running the generator at least once ever 24hours. I guess different definitions.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 29, 2015, 10:23:00 am
Yes, different strokes.
A good question might be when you're Boondocking are you camping? Some might say having a 30,000 lb RV might not be camping...... If not running your generator is your badge of honor I applaud you for it. For me I own it I might as well use it. If I didn't want to use it, I wouldn't of bought it. 😀
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: OldManSax on August 29, 2015, 10:26:24 am
People like different things.......
That's why they make chocolate and vanilla! ;D ;D ;D
TOM
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 29, 2015, 10:36:30 am
What is boondocking and why do people do it? (http://www.rv-dreams.com/boondocking.html) FWIW
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 29, 2015, 10:44:26 am
My experience with Boondocking has been mostly limited to my 4 years playing Marine in the early 60's, pup tents, K Rats, C Rats and cold, wet, muddy or sandy. You can have Boondocking, me, I had enough playing that game.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: kb0zke on August 29, 2015, 11:13:31 am
The original refrigerator was dead when we took possession of our coach. We had already decided that we would replace any RV refrigerator with a residential unit when the RV one died. Our inverter and chargers were also original, so they were replaced, too. Just for grins, I've looked at new RV refrigerators. They run about 3x the cost of the residential unit. For us, that meant that for the price of a new RV refrigerator we got a new residential refrigerator, a new inverter, and two new chargers.
We do run the generator when going down the road so that the rooftop a/c units can run. This winter will be the first time we will be traveling, so I suspect that the inverter will power the refrigerator while driving since we probably won't need the a/c. So far we've always had at least 20A electrical service, so I don't know how well we would do on just the two 8D batteries for overnight. Some day we'll find out.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: wa_desert_rat on August 29, 2015, 11:20:18 am
Heck, I *still* like to tent camp but I don't hike in much any more. We have two tents. One is a small "backpacker" tent that I use in the Jeep when out exploring. Until this last spring the second was a 10x12 Coleman we gave to our son and his family when they wanted to try camping with their 3-year-old. That one spent a week at Glacier with us two summers ago. We replaced it with another Coleman that has more vertical sides called the Prairie Breeze. It's big and roomy and with a room divider we can take our favorite single mom and her teen-aged daughter out tent camping with us. Oddly enough, the big one doesn't take much more time to set up. We've even set that one up next to the FT for company (and evening card games with no bugs). Modern cots and sleeping pads make tents a lot more comfortable.
Our FT still has its propane fridge but it scares me. I'm constantly on the lookout for residential refrigerators that fit into my U225. Amazon helps by popping up ads for them daily. None of them fit. Really frustrating. I'll definitely have to buy two new AGM batteries when I find one, though.
Someone brought up parking their FT in the shade. I'm amazed at just how much shade the solar panels - mounted just above the rooftop on stand-offs - provide. Parking in the shade with solar panels doesn't charge the batteries (obviously) so we tend to park in the sun. Our favorite weekend spot is right next to a reservoir overlooking the boat dock. We can watch the fishermen set out and the kids playing on the beach and in the water (they have marked it "no swimming" but the swimming beach is 1/4 mile away; and they probably wonder why the kids don't read the signs). We like to watch kids playing. Because that spot has so much sun it's always one of the last to be filled. Lots of shade trees on the lawn around it but hardly any on an RV parked there. Because it's a no-hookup park there are seldom any other big motor homes there but from our spot you couldn't see them, anyway.
Best spot in the park and it's almost always all ours!!! All for $7.50 a night (with geezer pass).
We don't turn our generator unless we need to microwave popcorn.
Craig :)
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Roland Begin on August 29, 2015, 01:51:26 pm
My experience with Boondocking has been mostly limited to my 4 years playing Marine in the early 60's, pup tents, K Rats, C Rats and cold, wet, muddy or sandy. You can have Boondocking, me, I had enough playing that game.
Shucks when we boondock we have all the comforts of home without the view of RV's in front behind and on each side of us and Sampson our mascot love the freedom of being of lead. No C-reasons MRE's or tents for us.
Roland
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Dub on August 31, 2015, 12:30:32 pm
simple question that I have wondered the answer to.. Is the threat of a refrigerator fire on a ac and propane unit only when the refrigerator is on gas mode or does the threat exist when the unit is on shore or gen electricity mode?
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on August 31, 2015, 12:55:39 pm
The fire risk is likely somewhay less on the AC heater in the refrigerator than with the open flame using LP. What burns is the leaking ammonia gas or stuff in the flue Inspect your tubes for any corosion or yellow staining that may indicate a leak. Make sure the flue is clean. Don't asume it is OK, inspect and verify.
As someone else pointed out the older units seem to be more durable as they were built with heavier wall tubing. You may get by just fine for many years with proper inspection and maintenance.
We had our LP refrig for three years before switching. A fire supprsion system went in within a couple of months after we bought it. If you don't have one you should get one. You should also have a fire escape plan and practice it. If you are in the BR the only way out may be the BR window. Make sure your smoke alarm is working and test the CO and LP leak detectors as well. Replace them if they are older than about 5 years.
Roger
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Dub on August 31, 2015, 03:24:36 pm
roger that Roger...
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Paul Smith on August 31, 2015, 03:48:13 pm
John S said:
"That said, I have one in my small born free and there is no way I could change it too a residential as there is not enough battery space to put in enough amp hours so, I keep it in that coach even though I went to a residential in the Foretravel."
I had a 26.5 ft LazyDaze that I put 2 Lifeline 8D's under one of the dinette benches. This area was right next to where the factory put the golf cart batteries (which was empty after the 8Ds were in)
Never thot about it until now, but I might have got 4 8Ds in, not just 2.
Not sure if something like that would work in your Born Free, John.
best, paul
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: John S on August 31, 2015, 05:40:49 pm
I put an inverter in one space and the other would vent inside so I do not think so.
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: krush on August 31, 2015, 08:08:37 pm
How many battery explosions have we heard about on the forums?
Title: Re: Refrigerator Fire
Post by: Caflashbob on August 31, 2015, 09:08:50 pm