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Title: Air out of dash ducts when moving
Post by: stump on September 05, 2015, 09:02:08 am
How do I close the fresh air ducts on the evaporator/heater coil housing to stop outside air from comming in through dash vents at hiway speed?
Title: Re: Air out of dash ducts when moving
Post by: lenspeiser on September 05, 2015, 09:22:11 am
Stump, we may have completely different air boxes, but when I opened up my 99's, I found that the "door seals" on the air box had degraded. They were made of a foam rubber and over the years had just turned to mush. Not wanting to completely disassemble that part of the bus, I just buttoned it back up. Hopefully yours will just be a stuck or defective actuator.
Title: Re: Air out of dash ducts when moving
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on September 05, 2015, 09:59:28 am
How do I close the fresh air ducts...
DUCT TAPE?  :dance:
Title: Re: Air out of dash ducts when moving
Post by: lenspeiser on September 05, 2015, 10:06:21 am
GOOD THING HE DUCT, IT MIGHT HAVE BEANED HIM! 
Title: Re: Air out of dash ducts when moving
Post by: JohnFitz on September 05, 2015, 10:30:53 am
Here's two things I would check for:
1. Is there vacuum? 
The default with no vacuum is "fresh air" and directed to defrost vents but maybe some is leaking to dash vents too.  You should hear the vacuum pump run occasionally with ignition on but engine off.
2. Is the "fresh/recir" vacuum valve working?
Pushing the temperature slider all the way to left should engage the valve for "recirculate", pushing back on the other side of the detent it should move to "fresh".  With the dash top lifted you can see the mechanism that pushes the plunger on the vacuum valve.  With ignition on and engine off you should be able to hear the vacuum actuator moving - mostly through the recirculate air intake that is right in front of the passengers toes.  An oddity with our system is you can't get re-circulated warm air with this control system.
From what I remember about the flappers is there is no foam seal around them.  They are round with a smooth semi-hard rubber lip seal.
Title: Re: Air out of dash ducts when moving
Post by: lenspeiser on September 05, 2015, 10:46:31 am
They did change the box then. My 99 has a door with foam covering that makes it's own seal. Or, perhaps that is only the vent/defog flap. I had been expecting a smooth rubber seal and did not find one.
Title: Re: Air out of dash ducts when moving
Post by: stump on September 05, 2015, 12:37:27 pm
Thanks,I unplugged the vacuum switch and the door vent door closed  My dash switch is not cutting off vacuum in recirculate mode,I'll leave it disconnected for max cool and heat.thanks
Title: Re: Air out of dash ducts when moving
Post by: coastprt on September 06, 2015, 02:16:20 am
Here's two things I would check for:
1. Is there vacuum? 
The default with no vacuum is "fresh air" and directed to defrost vents but maybe some is leaking to dash vents too.  You should hear the vacuum pump run occasionally with ignition on but engine off.
2. Is the "fresh/recir" vacuum valve working?
Pushing the temperature slider all the way to left should engage the valve for "recirculate", pushing back on the other side of the detent it should move to "fresh".  With the dash top lifted you can see the mechanism that pushes the plunger on the vacuum valve.  With ignition on and engine off you should be able to hear the vacuum actuator moving - mostly through the recirculate air intake that is right in front of the passengers toes.  An oddity with our system is you can't get re-circulated warm air with this control system.
From what I remember about the flappers is there is no foam seal around them.  They are round with a smooth semi-hard rubber lip seal.

John,

Thanks for the explanation of the fresh air/ recirculate valve and the other components of how my dash air works. I have a Fridgi-Cool and I believe it is working as designed except for one problem.  I checked it out and I can hear the pump go on and off for the vacuum needed for the vents to change direction of the air flow.  In front of the big box I noticed the plastic part that holds the drain hose and vacuum pump needed to open and close the big door for fresh air/recirculate was deteriorated and broken and the door is stuck in the closed position. Any ideas on how to loosen that door up and reattach the pump?  I thought about a piece of sheet metal or JB Weld but it looks like the whole box would have to be replaced to fix it.  It looked like someone had used fiberglass to repair it once before.  I may have to live with it or replace the whole box.

Jerry
Title: Re: Air out of dash ducts when moving
Post by: JohnFitz on September 07, 2015, 04:58:03 pm
Jerry,
The broken plastic housing appears to be just a cover for the most part.  It doesn't appear that any coolant or refrigerant lines would have to be disconnected to pull it off.  I think I found a replacement cover on the internet.  $181 for just the cover.  It sure looks like the same thing.  I suppose you could try to fabricate a fix depending on how handy you are but if the whole cover has become brittle it could be a loosing battle.
Let us know what you discover.  I have a heater core I need to replace some day.
Here's the link to the new cover that I think is the right one: Plastic Cover 060-00258 - SCS & VCS (http://comfortairgr.com/shop/plastic-cover-scs-vcs-060-00258-fits-unit-hc-206-hc206/)
Title: Re: Air out of dash ducts when moving
Post by: coastprt on September 07, 2015, 11:32:54 pm
John,

Many thanks for finding what looks like a replacement cover that could work!  From the photos it looks like a good fit for the Fridgi-Cool.  The vacuum pump mounts in the center and the condensation drain is right under it. The old plastic just gave way on mine due to the stress caused by the pump and accumulation of water and rust over time.  I'll have to get in there to try and take the old one off first even if I could fabricate something.  I could then measure it to see if it would fit and clean up the rust and "un-stick" the door mechanism. 

The trick is getting in that space to do it. I'll have to take the left front headlight mount off to allow better access.  I really didn't want to have to disconnect any lines.  Hopefully just remove the caulking around the lines, take the screws out and remove.  I'll bet this is one area that gets overlooked for maintenance until there's a problem.  We all know what damage water can do to an A/C system if the condensation doesn't drain properly. 

It's a not a major problem except the fresh air/recirc door doesn't work.  I'll keep you posted with pics if I can make any progress. 

Jerry