Bob, Cummins can hook up and read your configuration, and can upgrade it to the 450 Hp @ 1450 ft lb if it is not already at that setting. If they know you, you might be able to have them install a little higher setting into the ECM, if they do not know or trust you, they will most likely not set above the 450 @ 1450 ft lb. All the settings are on their computer, they just pick what they want and send it to your ECM. Just my opinion working with my local Cummins guys. We have always worked well together, might be why my creation is a bit more on the upper side than the 500 @ 1550 ft lb. They talked about 580 hp at one point, unsure if that is where it is and do not care, it is fun to drive. You do not need a speedometer to tell if your gaining speed.
All that's great. But the shops quick serve says to change from a 2178 to what they say is the upgraded 2025 is $12k worth of parts.
I am trying to verify the 2025 is the correct CPL for the 450/1450's as installed in other U320 M11 celect plus 450 E's
First response is a different CPL number.
Double checking the shops info to me. No trust at all.
Block and below are fine to go from 420-1050 but the entire top end according to the 2025 CPL they say is the 450/1450 would need changing and the ECM and turbo.
I knew there was something wrong the first day I drove it. Turns out I was correct. Just lower powered than the other possible versions depending on the critical parts list.
Perfect condition just down on possible power.
Exactly what I need to do to upgrade the power is where I am at after three and 1/2 years.
Many steps. Done this many times long ago
Possible the ism stuff might work?
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Caflashbob on November 06, 2015, 09:46:46 pm
That is exactly why it took their book worm over 2 days checking to see if my CPL would support any upgrades, they)determined all I needed was the rare (there are 3, just one that is the special one) waste gate turbo, the sender on the intake that controls the waste gate on the turbo, and they located the wiring harness where the sensor plugs into. Then the new ECM program was all mine needed. the base engine is the same as the later 500, just no EGR, but same head, injectors, pistons, rods etc. I had earlier installed the girdle that the 500 units have standard. They indicated only the units after late 99 run had these features like mine and could be up graded, The early units like yours, they would not touch them. One funny, all the shops in Nac, know my coach has a very different engine.
As far as ism's I think you info is correct.
I need the m11 celect plus info
Poster above has a different CPL on a m11 celect plus 450E.
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: amos.harrison on November 06, 2015, 09:59:29 pm
Bob, I just had my ECM updated earlier this week. I'm looking at the Insight printout for my M11 Celect Plus. The CPL is 2371. HP listed is 450, torque is 1450 at 1200 rpm.
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Caflashbob on November 06, 2015, 11:49:24 pm
Bob, I just had my ECM updated earlier this week. I'm looking at the Insight printout for my M11 Celect Plus. The CPL is 2371. HP listed is 450, torque is 1450 at 1200 rpm.
What was the CPL on the engine itself?
99's have a 10k tow rating. 97 and 98's are 6k. Need to find out what CPL numbers are on what year coaches
Thanks
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: John & Genni on November 07, 2015, 10:28:52 am
My U 320 engine plate is as follows:
M11E+ Mfg date 02/97 CPL 2178 Ser # 34851465
Red Top valve cover stamped 450 HP
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Forewheelers on November 07, 2015, 11:05:49 am
Ours is CPL 2178. Build no. 5147.
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Caflashbob on November 07, 2015, 11:44:12 am
Thanks.
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Caflashbob on November 07, 2015, 01:38:19 pm
Here is what the cummins critical parts list and settings if for a CPL 2178
The other list is the CPL 2025 critical parts list difference needed.
I am trying to see if there was an intermediate CPL that uses the 2178 parts but has more power and to see what CPL setup's otters got.
Bob
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: GKCigar on November 07, 2015, 02:12:24 pm
Here you go Bob. Looks like mine is 2371. Included is a picture that was taken when I dropped my phone while trying to take a picture of the CPL number.
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: FormerU320Family on November 07, 2015, 02:15:00 pm
Bob,
This may not be at all helpful — in fact, I may understand so little about the topic of this post that I'm answering the wrong question. But you asked about CPL numbers for 97-99 M11s.
Our coach is a 1999 U320, Build #5567. But I think (?) ours is an ISM. The last printout I have from Cummins Atlantic, when they read all the act and inactive fault codes, shows the CPL # as being 260800, but the engine model as an ISM-RV450. Sounds like the engine you DON'T want to know about?
Richard & Susan
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Caflashbob on November 07, 2015, 04:59:23 pm
This may not be at all helpful — in fact, I may understand so little about the topic of this post that I'm answering the wrong question. But you asked about CPL numbers for 97-99 M11s.
Our coach is a 1999 U320, Build #5567. But I think (?) ours is an ISM. The last printout I have from Cummins Atlantic, when they read all the act and inactive fault codes, shows the CPL # as being 260800, but the engine model as an ISM-RV450. Sounds like the engine you DON'T want to know about?
Richard & Susan
Correct. Different animal.
Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Raymond Jordan on November 07, 2015, 05:16:46 pm
Hi Bob, 1997 U 320 Red Top 450 Build/Unit Number 5183 CPL 2178 I hope this helps. Raymond
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Dick & Sue on November 08, 2015, 09:19:45 am
Hi Bob,
Engine serial no. 34909154 Family WCEXH0661MAA CPL 2371 Model no. M11 450E+ Date if Mtg 4-98 Idle speed 650-800 rpm Adv HP 450hp @ 1800 rpm Peak Torque 1450 FT-LB @ 1200 rpm Governed Speed 2100 rpm
Hope this helps
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Caflashbob on November 08, 2015, 12:18:52 pm
Will report back what a 2371 actually is in hp/torque.
Working on a different part of the system also.
If I can't easily increase the power then the power consuming drives need a looking at.
Seems I may have found a big power draw off all 94-98 production with a side drive radiator.
May or may not be necessary. Probably not.
Love a challenge/mystery
Especially if the results are better mpg and more power 90% of the time.
Yes. All coaches
Title: 1999 U320 CPL2371
Post by: squeezer on November 30, 2015, 12:59:36 pm
Bob and others.
I just found the time to check the CPL on my 1999 and its 2371. The engine ref on quickserve is M11-450E+
Performance wise I have timed 0-60 several times (usually leaving a rest stop thats flat) and our coach is right around 23s give or take depending on where the tanks are at. We go down the road at 29K give or take...
It would be interesting to start a collection of 0-60 times (along with weights) as it would give everybody an easy way to check if their coach is performing as expected.
Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Caflashbob on November 30, 2015, 09:00:34 pm
I just found the time to check the CPL on my 1999 and its 2371. The engine ref on quickserve is M11-450E+
Performance wise I have timed 0-60 several times (usually leaving a rest stop thats flat) and our coach is right around 23s give or take depending on where the tanks are at. We go down the road at 29K give or take...
It would be interesting to start a collection of 0-60 times (along with weights) as it would give everybody an easy way to check if their coach is performing as expected.
Cheers
Chris
Excellent idea. Do you tow? Mpg?
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: squeezer on December 01, 2015, 12:02:14 am
Length of coach? My 1999 U320 weight is almost double yours!
what are you referring to? My 97 u320?
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on December 05, 2015, 09:35:17 pm
Hi Brett, 29K lbs for a 1999 36' U320 no slide and a light load sounds about right. Our 2001 36' U320 single slide normal load is about 31K lbs. Are you including your trailer?
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Michelle on December 05, 2015, 09:51:15 pm
Hi Brett, 29K lbs for a 1999 36' U320 no slide and a light load sounds about right. Our 2001 36' U320 single slide normal load is about 31K lbs.
2x 29K is 58K!
Our 2-slide 40' U320, fully loaded for travel including full fuel, water, some in waste tanks, plus us and 3 dogs was 36,075 when we last weighed.
I have to think Brett did some quick mental calculations and misspoke.
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: John S on December 05, 2015, 10:03:54 pm
My two slide 42 fully loaded for travel was 39k. That is full water and empty holding tanks and 7/8 of a tank of fuel.
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: J. D. Stevens on December 05, 2015, 11:00:48 pm
My coach is parked next to Brett's coach right now. I saw both coaches today. My coach weighs about 29K. Brett's coach is four feet longer, but sure doesn't look like it weighs twice as much. :))
Perhaps that full body paint is heavier than I thought. :o
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: amos.harrison on December 06, 2015, 06:35:39 am
OK guys, a slight exaggeration. My coach weighs 42K with full water and fuel. My stacker weighs another 10K. My point was that posting 0-60 times without length/weight was incomplete. JD, I'll be back to Nac just after lunch today. We over nighted in Meridian, MS on our way back from Thanksgiving on Cape Cod.
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on December 06, 2015, 09:57:09 am
Love the 0-60 subject, reassures me that the added attention spent on my toy was worthwhile. Joyful feeling at the traffic liters, many cars get surprised.
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: John Haygarth on December 06, 2015, 10:04:52 am
Brett, just a side note on your coach. I noticed that you have quite a few screws loose(the coach) along the trim strips etc. Suggest you tighten them as this is a way in for water into wood work. If they will not tighten up take them out and put tooth picks with glue on into holes then replace screws. They should be checked every few months-EVERY ONE- around our coach's that have them. JohnH
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: Mark... on December 06, 2015, 01:27:56 pm
Brett, just a side note on your coach. I noticed that you have quite a few screws loose(the coach) along the trim strips etc.
John - another side note to the side note - just curious- did you meet Brett somewhere and noticed this or is there a pic somewhere on the forum where you saw the issue? Just want to see what you noticed?
Title: Re: CPL question
Post by: John Haygarth on December 06, 2015, 03:55:39 pm
Actually noticed them while we were at Nac a few weeks ago and their coach was sitting there in the rain at FT. Love the paint job and was checking it out when I noticed them as I keep a beady eye on mine all the time and am constantly tightening them up. I do know that left loose water will get into flooring etc. JohnH