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Title: Holding Tanks
Post by: Gerry Vicha on May 02, 2016, 10:23:27 am
What flows into the "Black" waste tank beside the toilet ?  Bath Sink, Shower, Kitchen sink?  I have a 1994 U300 Unihome, build number 4466.  Do not know of any pluming diagrams for these units.  ???
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on May 02, 2016, 10:30:51 am
Our '93 U280 has the "Drop & Plop" toilet - the stool is directly above the black tank - straight shot down to the reservoir.

Nothing else (to the best of my knowledge) goes into the black tank.
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: John Haygarth on May 02, 2016, 10:32:13 am
My thoughts too Chuck.
JohnH
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: J. D. Stevens on May 02, 2016, 10:32:42 am
Only the toilet drains to the black tank. All other drains flow to the gray tank.

You could test to verify. Dump the tanks and leave the dump hose connected. Close the dump valve for the black tank and leave the gray valve open. Run water to each drain in the coach and see which flow to the dump hose.
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: Tom Lang on May 02, 2016, 11:01:51 am
I had an SOB where the bathroom sink drained into the black tank. Probably a good idea. 
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on May 02, 2016, 11:05:51 am
Why?
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: wolfe10 on May 02, 2016, 11:21:47 am

First, coach layout suggests what drains into what tank on most RV's.

Yes, toilet always into black.  But with certain layouts the run from, say a sink, would be straighter if run into the black tank. 

As to why that would be good:
IF, repeat IF gray and black are the same size, gray generally fills up 3-4 times faster than black.  Better balance means longer between need to dump.

Adding more water to the black tank never hurts in terms of keeping everything liquefied.

Again, the vast majority of all coaches toilet to black, all else to gray.
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: TulsaTrent on May 02, 2016, 11:37:24 am
IF, repeat IF gray and black are the same size, gray generally fills up 3-4 times faster than black.  Better balance means longer between need to dump.
Adding more water to the black tank never hurts in terms of keeping everything liquefied.

Brett,

Those of us with third valves use it to rinse the black tank from the gray tank after dumping the black tank.

Without dumping, if the gray tank started getting too full, could you (keep the third valve closed throughout this procedure):

    Open the gray valve,

    After a short while, then Open the black valve.

Since water seeks its own level, I would expect the gray water to flow into the black tank. After closing both valves, then you have more room in the gray tank.

The only downside I see is you would have some gray water between the tanks and the third valve.

Or am I being too simplistic?

Trent

Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: wolfe10 on May 02, 2016, 12:03:39 pm
Trent,

Yes, a third valve works great when both tanks are at the same "elevation". 

Have seen a guy with SOB try that only to find out that the gray tank was ABOVE the black.  Didn't work out quite like he had hoped!
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: prfleming on May 02, 2016, 12:31:28 pm
My holding tank level indicators have a resolution of 1/4 tank. Unless you're absolutely sure that the grey level is above the black - in the tank and in elevation, and also, water will flow back and forth after the initial flow, umm, I think I would not advise... :)
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: Rich Bowman on May 02, 2016, 01:00:05 pm
It's all non-potable, contaminated water.  I don't think cross contamination either way makes any difference.

Rich
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: Caflashbob on May 02, 2016, 01:08:32 pm
When equalizing tanks I put my ungloved hand on the plumbing and the instant I feel the flow rate drop I close the black valve.

Not as accurate with the valves behind a wall but might still work some?
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: Tim Fiedler on May 02, 2016, 01:24:56 pm
And many coaches come with single tank for Black and Gray
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: Darrell LeBeau on May 02, 2016, 01:37:44 pm
And many coaches come with single tank for Black and Gray

I have had separate black/grey, currently have the single and love it.
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on May 02, 2016, 03:44:50 pm
It's all non-potable, contaminated water.  I don't think cross contamination either way makes any difference.
I'm with Rich.  No need to fret about black tank capacity.  If you have done the "3rd valve mod" to your coach, you can operate 2 tanks just like a single tank: leave the 3rd valve closed, and the two dump valves open.  As long as the top of the tanks are level (or "on the same elevation" as Brett said), you don't have to worry about a "overflowing" situation until both tanks are full.  This is unlikely to occur when dry camping in a Foretravel, because the total capacity of the two waste tanks usually exceeds the capacity of the fresh water tank by about 50%.
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: NancyS on May 02, 2016, 04:00:32 pm
Any thoughts about using a Macerator to pump krud  up hill?
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: Darrell LeBeau on May 02, 2016, 04:04:46 pm
Any thoughts about using a Macerator to pump krud  up hill?
I had a macerator, got rid of it. If you have to pump uphill it is a must but normal dumping takes a long time.
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: Caflashbob on May 02, 2016, 04:13:49 pm
Comixings the tanks would not allow dumping the grey only obviously if needed
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on May 02, 2016, 04:15:29 pm
Any thoughts about using a Macerator to pump krud up hill?
Been some discussion here in the past - for instance:

Let's talk macerators (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=19618.msg139076#msg139076)
Title: Re: Holding Tanks
Post by: D.J. Osborn on May 02, 2016, 05:47:15 pm
And many coaches come with single tank for Black and Gray

These days that makes perfect sense. Long gone are the days when one could dump gray water more-or-less anywhere.