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Title: Coach on Ebay
Post by: littledubz on May 26, 2016, 03:34:08 pm
Does anyone have any knowedge or opinions on the coach referenced via this link?



2002 Foretravel U320 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Foretravel-U320-42-Class-A-Motorhome-with-Slideout-20445-Actual-Like-New-/191867391219?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2cac300cf3:g:XQYAAOSw4T5XHTQq&item=191867391219)


Thanks
Rich
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: craneman on May 26, 2016, 03:49:56 pm
It is being sold by a dealer. Not likely they would price it this low unless there were issues.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: littledubz on May 26, 2016, 03:58:38 pm
That's what I was thinking.  Also 20,000 miles for a 14 year old coach is a little ridiculous.  On the bright side, Washington state is only 2500 miles from me, so maybe I'll stop by on my way home from work. ;D
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on May 26, 2016, 04:37:42 pm
It is in Eugene, OR and for sale by a dealer.  They have lowered the price once.  I would call and see what the story is.  Sometimes dealers have no idea what they have or they pretend not to know.  It could be a bargain. Probably needs tires, maybe batteries and a complete maint workup.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Dave Cobb on May 26, 2016, 04:43:27 pm
Hard to know, but there other items listed showing damage, and more.  Hope this is a deal for someone, as I like the coach.  Sure would hate to hear it has a soiled title.  Too nice a coach to have that happen.  Let's hope someone gets a bargain and joins the Foretravel family of happy owners.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Peter & Beth on May 26, 2016, 04:56:45 pm
Ad seems to be not responding. I tried to "buy it now" to see what happened.  Nothing did.  "Site unresponsive".
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: craneman on May 26, 2016, 04:57:43 pm
Did the Isc go to 450 hp?
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on May 26, 2016, 05:06:58 pm
  there other items listed showing damage, and more.

Where did you see the "other items", I missed that. When BigDog gets his domes switched, perchance he'd take a look for a serious buyer.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: rbark on May 26, 2016, 05:23:40 pm
On the bottom of his web page, a Prevost and airstream with damage. Never showed pictures of pass side of coach
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Tom Lang on May 26, 2016, 05:29:08 pm
Curious omission.  But (FWIW) it is listed as having a clear title.

Might be too good to be true.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Hans&Marjet on May 26, 2016, 05:35:41 pm
Take look at the feedback on Ebay. He sells 1157 and 194 bulbs to get ratings.

Just sayin

But...the 320 does look good.

Hans

Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Hans&Marjet on May 26, 2016, 05:37:52 pm
Ad seems to be not responding. I tried to "buy it now" to see what happened.  Nothing did.  "Site unresponsive".
Be careful Peter... you may just own it soon.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Michelle on May 26, 2016, 06:11:22 pm
Huge red flags on the seller.  Request to use the phone number in the ad (vs. using eBay to contact), collection of atypical items (history is selling bulbs, no vehicles, now suddenly only items are a handful of vehicles). Items are in different locations.  Sold items shows some of the same items multiple times.  Could be a hacked eBay account.

Google images for NCAuto in Eugene, Oregon do not instill confidence. 
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Dave Cobb on May 26, 2016, 06:52:54 pm
Their location is just a couple of blocks from the auto auction, how perfect.  Seems the aerial view shows they have a bunch of coaches, and most with slides out.  Might be the deal of the week.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Doug W. on May 26, 2016, 07:15:54 pm
2002 Foretravel U320 UniCoach 42' Slideout low miles! (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rvd/5586891694.html)

It's been posted here on Craigslist last couple of months.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Hans&Marjet on May 26, 2016, 07:32:53 pm
So having spent 45 years in the car business, the tags on the coach are very clear. Anybody have connections with Oregon DMV.??

Hans
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: TulsaTrent on May 26, 2016, 09:31:16 pm
The Craigslist ad says it has walnut interior, but the pictures sure look like cherry wood to me.
 
Trent
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Caflashbob on May 26, 2016, 09:34:27 pm
20k could be 120k orv220k
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on May 27, 2016, 03:07:21 am
We have been watching this coach's progression  down hill in price, finally went and looked at it Wends. the 25th.
The dealer had taken it over to a RV repair shop to check things out and told me that he isn't gonna lower the price or put any more money into it.
The roof needs a re-paint and caulk, has chalky streaks, and has a few minor "dings on the corners of the coach
It has a bad slide bladder that leaks so much that he had to shut off the air supply to it, also the house batteries are DOA with the chassis batteries dead as well, could not get it to start the gen set or the main engine.
All hoses and belts in the engine compartment look to be factory originals.
I could not get the door opened for the gen set due to no power. no idea what the hour meter indicates.
For the same reason could not verify speedo miles or engine hours, would not surprise me that it hasn't even had the oil or filters changed  since new, didn't see any stickers indicating other wise.
Steer tires are dated '15 but the drive & tag tires look to be dated '05
No air pressure so could not see bulkheads,shocks or air bags
The water & elect hose reels seem to be missing the on/off buttons, may be reduced to a "hand job"
The interior looks ok but very dated with what looks to be all original electronics including TV's and convection oven..No updates that I could see..... & what's with the dog poop brown shag carpet???

If We can come to some terms will be putting a down on it shortly.

red b
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on May 27, 2016, 03:37:08 am
For those interested..
Premier in Junction City, OR has a former Motorcade coach (on consignment I think)
2004 36' 295 with 2 slides, looks really sharp and clean with updates everywhere.  $129k?
And Geo. Sutton in Eugene has a former Motorcade coach for sale as well.
2000 320 single slide (rebuilt) but high miles on it (288k?)

red b.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on May 27, 2016, 08:40:41 am
red b,

You seem to very interested in this coach.  I would encourage you to at least insist on having batteries installed so you can start the big engine and the generator.  There is NO way to get even a rough idea of the condition of this coach without running the engines, and hopefully driving it.  Unless you are a fully qualified all-around RV repair technician, you could be buying yourself a LOT of very expensive repair bills.  Getting any RV worked on at $100 per hour shop time adds up quickly.  Blindly buying a coach that could possibly need repairs to every major system is, IMO, just asking for trouble.

Oregon Motorcoach in Eugene is a Foretravel factory authorized service center.  We had some work done there on our last trip to the West coast.  They seem to run a very competent operation.  If you could get the coach running and moving and take it by their shop, they might give you their opinion on its overall condition.

Oregon Motorcoach Center | Premium RV Service | Eugene, OR. (http://oregonmotorcoachcenter.com)

I'm not saying you should not buy this coach.  You might luck out and get a really good deal.  I'm only saying that unless you have unlimited funds, before signing on the bottom line, you should have a clear understanding of what it will take (i. e. how much it will cost) to get the coach back to 100% road worthy condition.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: prfleming on May 27, 2016, 09:31:51 am
Maybe have one of those big tow trucks stop by when you're there and help jump start it. They would have heavy duty starting equipment for truck engines. There is a chance the batteries might come back...maybe not...

I agree with Chuck that you want to at least run engines and air up. Write that requirement in your purchase agreement.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on May 27, 2016, 09:41:30 am
If "the dealer" is not going to put fresh batteries in, I'd say that's a deal breaker!  >:D
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: twobus on May 27, 2016, 11:08:11 am
Before we found Moby, I looked at a Beaver Marquis at this outfit. The dealer isn't an RV dealer, he's a flipper. The lot had cars and boats and RV's and all manner of stuff. The Beaver was a credit union repo. I suspect he frequents that auction yard. Fine and good but don't expect any manner of dealer service and support. I did not get any impression that he was dishonest or anything like that, just that his business model is inventory turnover and nothing else.  I passed on the Marquis. because it was not driveable at the time either.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Caflashbob on May 27, 2016, 11:51:07 am
Start and run was what's needed.

I prefer coaches personally that need everything.  Then I can run the good out of the new stuff.

Yea I understand it could be $20-30k.

Do you like the floorplan? 
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Tim Fiedler on May 27, 2016, 12:00:26 pm
beware water intrusion from retracted bladders, especially if not level and one side is tilting "In" towards coach - ESPECIALLY if slides were out...water would flow from top off slide, toward coach and into coach and sidewalls
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: littledubz on May 27, 2016, 12:02:06 pm
Sounds like he is in the business of buying stuff at the auction that can be had cheaply, turning around and selling it for a quick profit, without not being a pig.  He probably bought it cheap, and wants to sell it without spending anything on it.  I'll bet he's eager to sell it fast so he doesn't have his cash tied up too long.  The coach was almost certainly neglected, which is not a good thing, but you could get lucky.  It would be interested to know what the hours are on the generator.  That might be a good indicator of how it was used as well.  I'd be looking at it if it were on the east coast.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on May 27, 2016, 12:02:29 pm
beware water intrusion from retracted bladders, especially if not level and one side is tilting "In" towards coach - ESPECIALLY if slides were out...water would flow from top off slide, toward coach and into coach and sidewalls

It does rain a tad up there!
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on May 27, 2016, 02:08:09 pm
Start and run was what's needed.

I prefer coaches personally that need everything.  Then I can run the good out of the new stuff.

Yea I understand it could be $20-30k.

Do you like the floorplan? 
As for the floorplan, yes wife really likes it with the additional storage  over a 36 or 38'. I really like the 2 pass thru's and over all usability for 2 to 3 week dry camping at remote lakes (such as Magone Lake in eastern Oregon)
That said, not interested in any coaches older than a '02 or '03
Having owned, driven & worked on 18 wheelers for most of my life still have the full set of tools and a shop available. 
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on May 27, 2016, 02:23:48 pm
beware water intrusion from retracted bladders, especially if not level and one side is tilting "In" towards coach - ESPECIALLY if slides were out...water would flow from top off slide, toward coach and into coach and sidewalls
That is the one issue that I must address before even getting serious on the deal.. there is a 40' 320 for sale nearby that the dealer has had to totally rebuild the slide area due to dry rot and it has other structural issues as well.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on May 27, 2016, 03:22:03 pm
Awww....... Only on days that end with "Y"
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on May 27, 2016, 03:33:04 pm
Awww....... Only on days that end with "Y"

 ;D  ;D  Only a true "Mossback" could say that!  ^.^d
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Caflashbob on May 27, 2016, 11:10:31 pm
As for the floorplan, yes wife really likes it with the additional storage  over a 36 or 38'. I really like the 2 pass thru's and over all usability for 2 to 3 week dry camping at remote lakes (such as Magone Lake in eastern Oregon)
That said, not interested in any coaches older than a '02 or '03
Having owned, driven & worked on 18 wheelers for most of my life still have the full set of tools and a shop available. 

My comment here on floorplans may  bring a lot of posts

Never really liked the galley on the curb side if I had a choice,  That puts the dinette looking at the neighbors camp site on the street side.

Only old ORED's  I remember having a dinette on the street side was a 40' SBID.

 
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: D.J. Osborn on May 28, 2016, 08:11:28 am
That said, not interested in any coaches older than a '02 or '03

Just curious: Why are you not interested in older coaches?
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on May 28, 2016, 09:53:06 am
Just curious: Why are you not interested in older coaches?

Because he does not want Children of all ages gawking and saying, "beautiful coach" every time he pulls into a campground.  ^.^d
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mark... on May 28, 2016, 11:13:17 am
As for the floorplan, yes wife really likes it with the additional storage  over a 36 or 38'. I really like the 2 pass thru's and over all usability for 2 to 3 week dry camping at remote lakes (such as Magone Lake in eastern Oregon)
That said, not interested in any coaches older than a '02 or '03
Having owned, driven & worked on 18 wheelers for most of my life still have the full set of tools and a shop available. 
My comment here on floorplans may  bring a lot of posts
Never really liked the galley on the curb side if I had a choice,  That puts the dinette looking at the neighbors camp site on the street side.
Only old ORED's  I remember having a dinette on the street side was a 40' SBID.

Saddlesore - I've mentioned this before, my 2005 coach has the curbside dinette with the galley on the drivers side.  That was a prime selling point.  Our U295 38 footer has the same basement storage as a U320 40 ft tag, and after 40k miles, I really don't have any issues with the smaller ISL engine.  I go up and down the same hills as everyone else and much better that most SOBs.  My suggestion is have a little more patience and look until you find what really want.  That's my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Caflashbob on May 28, 2016, 12:18:23 pm
Yes I noticed that the later floorplans had put the galley back in the street side.

My guru buddy has had to repair a certain amount of flexing plumbing from sliding galleys over the years and of course this eliminates as far as I know having a propane stove top.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mark... on May 28, 2016, 02:26:26 pm
Yes I noticed that the later floorplans had put the galley back in the street side.
My guru buddy has had to repair a certain amount of flexing plumbing from sliding galleys over the years and of course this eliminates as far as I know having a propane stove top.
Have to disagree - we have a Gaggenau propane stovetop.  No issues to date.

Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on May 28, 2016, 03:15:52 pm
Saddlesore -  My suggestion is have a little more patience and look until you find what really want.  That's my 2 cents.

We haven't been in a big hurry to buy, but are actively looking.
We would rather not get  a slide at all, but very few non slides are available in the newer coaches.
The reason for all the questions about individual coaches we have looked at is our present coach is a '99 sob  that we bought trusting a less than stellar dealer.. end result is that most issues known to the dealer were not disclosed or were "dummied up" just to get it off his lot.
I just do not want to end up with another money hungry wench that cannot be used.. Taking multiple "vacations" only to camp at the repair shop far from home gets old quick
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Michelle on May 28, 2016, 03:32:52 pm
We haven't been in a big hurry to buy, but are actively looking.
We would rather not get  a slide at all, but very few non slides are available in the newer coaches.


Did you see the no-slide 2003 in the classifieds here?  According to the ad it has full service records  2003 Foretravel, 36 Ft, U320, 72,000 miles, 4.900 (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=28224.0)
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on May 28, 2016, 03:44:31 pm
  Taking multiple "vacations" only to camp at the repair shop far from home gets old quick
Where is your sense of adventure? There is nothing like sitting in a "customer lounge" with nothing but five year old "Ladies Home Journals" to read!  ^.^d  It can be "your day in the barrel", no matter how much we stay on top of our coaches. That being said, I'd stay away from "Dealers" (lies,lies,lies), and be searching forums (we bought this dear on R.V. Forum) and being able to talk with the PO and look at the paperwork. There are a number of FT pros on this forum that can inspect your would-be coach before you fly to ???? only to realize it's not for you. It's happened! You are in a great part of the Country for "real dealers" that actually take pride in their aftermarket consignments. We looked for a year to find our sweetie, as others have said, take your time, know what you (sorta) want.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Caflashbob on May 28, 2016, 04:31:12 pm
Have to disagree - we have a Gaggenau propane stovetop.  No issues to date.



Even better.  Obviously a flex hose.  Thanks
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on May 28, 2016, 05:03:22 pm
Did you see the no-slide 2003 in the classifieds here?  According to the ad it has full service records  2003 Foretravel, 36 Ft, U320, 72,000 miles, 4.900 (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=28224.0)
Yes and have talked to the seller, His asking price is well above our limit.

Also we want a booth dinette and 2 pass thru storage bays. Have no problem swapping out a factory 2 burner cook top for a 3 or 4 burner cooktop with gas oven.. and no I do not want the favorite heifer standing on a step stool trying to lift out a heavy casserole from an overhead convection oven.. and the biskits just don't meet my expectations .
But thnx for the suggestion
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Michelle on May 28, 2016, 05:18:12 pm
Also we want a booth dinette and 2 pass thru storage bays.

The latter is going to be a challenge to find in a Foretravel that's 2002 and newer with slides and has good remaining CCC unless you push towards a 45 footer.  More common in a non-slide coach but those are going to be very hard to find (as you've seen) in a 2002 and newer.

You might find an '02 or '03 40' without tag that has 2 pass thru bays, but if it has slides check the weight (especially in a U320 with the heavier drivetrain).  Otherwise, you'll generally find storage is 1 full pass thru and one half bay on curbside on the newer coaches that are 42 ft. and shorter.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on May 28, 2016, 05:34:19 pm
The latter is going to be a challenge to find in a Foretravel that's 2002 and newer with slides and has good remaining CCC unless you push towards a 45 footer.  More common in a non-slide coach but those are going to be very hard to find (as you've seen) in a 2002 and newer.

You might find an '02 or '03 40' without tag that has 2 pass thru bays, but if it has slides check the weight (especially in a U320 with the heavier drivetrain).  Otherwise, you'll generally find storage is 1 full pass thru and one half bay on curbside on the newer coaches that are 42 ft. and shorter.
True as we have found.. I have no trouble with handling a 42' tag or a 45 for that matter, will tolerate a single slide if it isn't a galley slide.
We won't be too anxious to make an offer on the 42'tag in Eugene until I can get a good handle on what's what & what's needed.. including calling FT to check on whether or not the coach (build 6036) has had the end cap re-call updates done.
With the super low miles  cap issues may not have shown up yet.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Caflashbob on May 28, 2016, 05:47:23 pm
Rare that non owners of the exact brand they are contemplating purchasing get the last coach the first time.

Can and does happen especially here with the help from a fantastic, knowledgable group of owners here.

So many variables. 
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: John44 on May 29, 2016, 12:47:26 am
Just looked at a 98 U270 on Ebay,looks pretty good for $35k,in Harrisburg Il.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on May 29, 2016, 02:58:35 am
Just looked at a 98 U270 on Ebay,looks pretty good for $35k,in Harrisburg Il.
34 foot, I remember there was some one looking for this size and year model a month or two back
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Lon and Cheryl on May 29, 2016, 02:07:06 pm
I would scrounge up some battery's, a couple jumper cables, a fire extinguisher, and get that thing started!
Looks like a nice coach for the price (probably still some room on the downside). Plenty of room in the price to remodel and fix issues.
 If you can do your own repairs its almost a no brainier.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on May 29, 2016, 02:33:20 pm
34 foot, I remember there was some one looking for this size and year model a month or two back
I remember JOR was looking, hope he's on-line.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: NancyS on May 29, 2016, 03:52:31 pm
Seller NC Auto Eugene, Or.  take a look real class operation  Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/@44.1133759,-123.1672393,3a,28.4y,156.1h,85.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy1o8Rny-APLkiWttFJrTWA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en)
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on May 29, 2016, 04:16:18 pm
Seller NC Auto Eugene, Or.  take a look real class operation

If a coach could talk (I think they can), it would be saying, "PLEASE, get me out of this junkyard."  :headwall:
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on May 29, 2016, 08:27:54 pm
If a coach could talk (I think they can), it would be saying, "PLEASE, get me out of this junkyard."  :headwall:
Only if things are within our budget for updates and repairs.. And now I'm really concerned that the end caps have not gotten the warranty/recall fix.. Hopefully FT will follow thru with the info. Or at least enlighten me on the odds of the the seams giving up. & cost to fix
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 01, 2016, 01:33:04 pm
Still sitting on the fence.... haven't gotten an answer from FOT as to whether or not the end caps have been repaired.
And do not know if the present FOT can access the repair history from the days of WA or CA dealer shops.

bummed
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on June 01, 2016, 01:38:33 pm
  access the repair history from the days of WA

I'd assume the work was done at the ex-dealer outside of Spokane. Would wonder if they kept their service records?
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on June 01, 2016, 01:43:09 pm
I'd assume the work was done at the ex-dealer outside of Spokane, never heard of a dealer on the west side. Would wonder if they kept their service records?
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 01, 2016, 03:21:17 pm
If I knew who they were or what name they go under now I would try to contact them
well that was a bust, rv dealer at the former Liberty Lake FT location . has no connection to FT. so no history or archives to search.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Lon and Cheryl on June 01, 2016, 03:48:10 pm
Why don't you get it running and then worry about the end cap repair?
It can't be that hard to put a few batteries on it and see if it runs and what might not work.
If you can't do the work I'm sure you could find somebody that could help you, it sounds like a ex- Foretravel dealer is located near by, pay them to check it out.
If there is a major mechanical problem you won't have to concern yourself with end caps.
Take pictures of the end caps or ask the local ex-dealer to check them. I'm sure if you posted pictures of the end cap seams somebody on this forum would be able to see if a repair was made or if it is needed.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: John Haygarth on June 01, 2016, 03:55:26 pm
Foretravel Northwest Inc, 23501 E Knox Ave, Liberty Lake, Spokane, Washington... (http://washington.auto-us.org/421327-foretravel_northwest_inc.htm)

This is link to old FT service .
JohnH
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Tom Lang on June 01, 2016, 04:06:04 pm
Climb up on the roof and look for cracks. No cracks = no problem.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 01, 2016, 04:32:03 pm
Climb up on the roof and look for cracks. No cracks = no problem.
The prob as I see it is that this coach is a time capsule.. It has barely 20k on the odometer, so has not experienced enough coach "flex" for the separation to appear, or so I'm thinking.
But that said, I do know that the slide needs attention(bladder kaput), will not go into travel mode(pressure switch?) .
It also needs batteries,tires, electronics updated including tv's and sat. Possibly will need air bags as well due to age.
Other upgrades would be gas cooktop with gas oven and re-do the flooring....I do not do shag carpet..with goat heads & red cedar cones stuck in carpet.
  All this could run north of 15 coach bucks, without having to re do the roof if needed in the future.......
BUT DW really likes this coach....ugh
will talk it over with the fav. heifer tonight.

thnx to all for the thoughts and comments....This forum is unique and refreshing
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on June 01, 2016, 04:40:46 pm

The ex-dealer is up there somewhere, I know, but all the checking I did got no response. Sorry. :-[
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 01, 2016, 04:42:40 pm


Thanks to John I traced them down, all numbers disconnected , building tore down and  they are no longer anywhere to be found, if anything they may have forwarded their records to Nac. but Service dept/body shop et all cannot find anything so far.. but I am not giving up just yet
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on June 01, 2016, 04:45:16 pm
Hard to believe a PO would not keep service records!  >:D
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: rbark on June 01, 2016, 05:08:29 pm
Try R&R RV repair just down the street. They work on Foretravels.
 Their address is 23203 E. Knox Ave
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on June 01, 2016, 05:10:41 pm
Try R&R RV repair just down the street. They work on Foretravels.

They had no clue what a FT was when I talked with them this a.m.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 01, 2016, 05:11:09 pm
Try R&R RV repair just down the street. They work on Foretravels.
Did, they are on the former FT sales lot, & don't know anything
but thnx
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Dave Cobb on June 01, 2016, 05:19:45 pm
The prob as I see it is that this coach is a time capsule.. It has barely 20k on the odometer, so has not experienced enough coach "flex" for the separation to appear, or so I'm thinking.
But that said, I do know that the slide needs attention(bladder kaput), will not go into travel mode(pressure switch?) .
It also needs batteries,tires, electronics updated including tv's and sat. Possibly will need air bags as well due to age.
Other upgrades would be gas cooktop with gas oven and re-do the flooring....I do not do shag carpet..with goat heads & red cedar cones stuck in carpet.
  All this could run north of 15 coach bucks, without having to re do the roof if needed in the future.......
BUT DW really likes this coach....ugh
will talk it over with the fav. heifer tonight.

thnx to all for the thoughts and comments....This forum is unique and refreshing

As suggested, take a look at the end caps, no cracks, maybe no problem.  The solutions are either, when or if it ever happens is re-bond the end caps and repaint as needed.  Or, seal and over lay the seams with a trim strip like every Foretravel prior to that build date has.  The trim is a simple, easy, and inexpensive repair, some day ahead.

The bladder is a known repair and cost, and good for the next many years, as it a new bladder.
With new batteries, tires, you would be good for the next 7-10 years.

All the other upgrades would be worth doing, and we have done some of them, and have the rest planned in the future.  But a Foretravel has good bones, and worth the time and the expense.
TV and satellite upgrades are simple to do, and last for years ahead.
I just did our airbags, at 18 years, and they were way better than I had feared.

You might be committed now, as the wife seems happy, you might be stuck, making her happy.

You have stepped onto the slippery slope, enjoy the trip.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 01, 2016, 05:40:17 pm
Hard to believe a PO would not keep service records!  >:D
Haven't found the FT manual for the coach , will be going back down there Friday I think.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on June 01, 2016, 06:04:50 pm
Haven't found the FT manual for the coach...
Owner Manuals are available from the factory...for a fee, of course.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Tim Fiedler on June 01, 2016, 06:16:57 pm
Get the price as low as you can, add $30,000 for stuff once you buy it. If you are good with what you will have a unit at that point and you can afford that you will probably be very happy. Likely not to cost more than 30 K Possibly less especially if you do some of the work. Call Xtreme paint and graphics in Nacogdoches and they can tell you about how much any endcap work would cost and as previously suggested there are less and more expensive ways to fix that problem if and when it rears its head.
If you love the coach and your unit a few thousand dollars more than you think you should be it's still isn't all that bad a deal.
If I was to buy it however the way I would approach it is to put tires and batteries in it serviced the engine and transmission and drive it to Nacogdoches Texas. By the time you got there you would know everything that needed corrected and anything that didn't correct it could be six in that town.
I still would want to know the bulkheads were fine on that coach before I bought it.
Dictated to Siri so this post might contain a lot of gibberish.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Lon and Cheryl on June 01, 2016, 10:07:34 pm
The prob as I see it is that this coach is a time capsule.. It has barely 20k on the odometer, so has not experienced enough coach "flex" for the separation to appear, or so I'm thinking.
But that said, I do know that the slide needs attention(bladder kaput), will not go into travel mode(pressure switch?) .
It also needs batteries,tires, electronics updated including tv's and sat. Possibly will need air bags as well due to age.
Other upgrades would be gas cooktop with gas oven and re-do the flooring....I do not do shag carpet..with goat heads & red cedar cones stuck in carpet.
  All this could run north of 15 coach bucks, without having to re do the roof if needed in the future.......
BUT DW really likes this coach....ugh
will talk it over with the fav. heifer tonight.

thnx to all for the thoughts and comments....This forum is unique and refreshing

All the "problems" you envision will face you regardless of the couch you buy. Your looking at a 16year old complex machine.
You could end up money ahead buying this one and replacing ALL the items you mention. You can do the remodeling and have the coach you want all updated and still have spent 10's of thousands less than you would for the "perfect" coach.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Dave Cobb on June 02, 2016, 08:46:47 am
All the "problems" you envision will face you regardless of the couch you buy. Your looking at a 16year old complex machine.
You could end up money ahead buying this one and replacing ALL the items you mention. You can do the remodeling and have the coach you want all updated and still have spent 10's of thousands less than you would for the "perfect" coach.

There is no perfect coach, or if there is, it was sold last month by the kids for the cash.  Or you will find it 3 months after you get your's all completely re-done.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 02, 2016, 10:53:10 am
There is no perfect coach, or if there is, it was sold last month by the kids for the cash.  Or you will find it 3 months after you get your's all completely re-done.
Happens every time
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: NancyS on June 02, 2016, 11:29:14 am
Bet I can buy that puppy for under 50k, it's simple, no one in Oregon has any money, by looking at his lot you can see that guy is running on empty.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Tom Lang on June 02, 2016, 01:55:47 pm
Bet I can buy that puppy for under 50k, it's simple, no one in Oregon has any money, by looking at his lot you can see that guy is running on empty.


Depending on his cash flow situation, he may or may not take less than he has in it. Which might not be that much.

If he is good at business, he knows when to sell at a loss so he has some cash to keep the doors open. Just not too often.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on June 02, 2016, 02:13:48 pm
I once bought a piece of property that had been on the market for a year for $30,000 less than asking. How did I do it, you ask?
I walked into the office with an aluminum case containing $50,000 (in $100/ $50 bills, I hoped it would lt would impress him by the size of all that money! )
He looked at all that cash in neat little bundles, and said, "DEAL".  b^.^d
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: NancyS on June 02, 2016, 02:30:47 pm
Really don't think this is real, look at this    eugene for sale "foretravel" - craigslist (http://eugene.craigslist.org/search/sss?sort=rel&query=foretravel)
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on June 02, 2016, 02:44:41 pm
Really don't think this is real, look at this
Now, is that the same coach we saw in the junkyard? Eugene & Springfield are neighbors, what's the deal?  ::)
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: craneman on June 02, 2016, 04:04:16 pm

same phone number
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: P. Wyatt Sabourin on June 02, 2016, 04:05:58 pm
To me, dead batteries is not a deal breaker.
Chassis batteries will not start the engine or the genset after just one month of sitting without power. Boost to get main engine started, then drive it for at least an hour, or get shore power and charge with boost switch "ON" for over night.  Get it checked out before buying - sounds like it could be an excellent deal.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Bill Willett on June 02, 2016, 04:26:58 pm
The first thing I would do after getting running, is take it to Cummins and have the the engine computer check for hours and mileage.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 02, 2016, 04:54:15 pm
Now, is that the same coach we saw in the junkyard? Eugene & Springfield are neighbors, what's the deal?  ::)
Yup same coach, just moved it to Sprngfld , @ a rv repair shop....same quality as his yard..... !
He is down as low as I think he can go..prolly owes front $$ on it, really posting it everywhere... told wife it's nearly time to either crap or git off the pot
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on June 02, 2016, 05:05:51 pm
ANY pre-owned RV you buy is a leap of faith.  No matter how good it looks, and how spotless the pedigree, it is possible that unknown (or well hidden) problems will crop up.  If you are lucky, they will all be manageable and affordable.  If not...

The main thing is, you (and your traveling companion) MUST be happy with the basic floor plan.  You can change just about anything on a coach except the physical size and shape.  The living space must be right for you - if not, every little thing that goes wrong will be magnified 10-fold.  If you LOVE the coach, you will put up with a lot of aggravation and unplanned expense...just ask the people on this Forum who have, as a group, endured almost every breakdown and catastrophe imaginable.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on June 02, 2016, 05:20:45 pm
the people on this Forum who have, as a group, endured almost every breakdown and catastrophe imaginable.

AND, continue on, and on, because that's what we do. As James Garner said in "The Rockford Files",  "cheapskates are a sucker for a short haircut".  ^.^d
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Caflashbob on June 02, 2016, 10:05:27 pm
I once bought a piece of property that had been on the market for a year for $30,000 less than asking. How did I do it, you ask?
I walked into the office with an aluminum case containing $50,000 (in $100/ $50 bills, I hoped it would lt would impress him by the size of all that money! )
He looked at all that cash in neat little bundles, and said, "DEAL".  b^.^d

Ah yes.  Green money. 

my favorite

Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Sven and Kristi on June 03, 2016, 02:06:00 pm
If Cummins is like CAT, they will give you its maintenance history if you have the engine block number.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 04, 2016, 02:27:41 am
Ok, went back down to Sprngfld. got the coach started ( gen set then main engine), both run smooth. needs all batteries replaced...Les Schwab ain't gonna like me.. coach batteries are buried at the back center of #2/#3 bay .. (remove a bunch of those square drive screws bay#2 , get the panel off and look thru into middle of bay3 and there they are.....Chassis batteries ain't placed much better.
BUT have a "check engine" light showing.
Gen set has abt 2400 hrs on it, last serviced @ MOT in '08.
Found several hairline cracks in roof, none over 4" long.
roof A/C's work (after fiddleing with that weird control module. however no dash A/C
fridge/freezer works on Electric, no propane in tank.
have 2 sets of "mood lights"(?) one on floor of bathroom and the other on floor of galley that I didn't find a switch to turn them off..

Ran the slide out to it's stops and back in... bladder is kaput and air shut off to it.
Now for the DUMB Question.
 I read that this year of coach used a "Train" type of slide mechanism?????
When the slide started to extend it "tipped down" extended to near full and then "tipped" back up to level.
Did the tipping in reverse order  when I retracted it. then as it "seated" it's self there was a bit of crunching and a few "pop's. Is This normal????
And the travel light came on so pins were doing what they are supposed to do I guess.
 Thnx to all and this forum is AWSUM!



Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Tim Fiedler on June 04, 2016, 08:44:09 am
As for coach batteries - a lot of us have bought at O'Reilly's - if you consummate a deal you may want to check their prices - many stores will actually install for free I am told.

Good luck on your journey -

what year is the coach again?
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Dave Cobb on June 04, 2016, 08:50:59 am
FYI, my floor lights are controlled on a switch panel at the entry door.  You will likely find switches all over the coach.  Some of us have crawled around with a flashlight to find them, and also 120 outlets as well.

Search will help with that possible one year that the slides were different.  Faulty memory thinks one member completely redid his with a nice write up a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Michelle on June 04, 2016, 09:08:45 am
Search will help with that possible one year that the slides were different.  Faulty memory thinks one member completely redid his with a nice write up a couple years ago.


Brad Slaughter is the go-to 2002 slide mechanism guy on the forum, IMHO.  I know he's currently traveling, so here are some of his technical posts on the subject to get you started:

2002 Train Slide Issue (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=20161.0)

HWH Hydraulic Fluid Capacity (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=20336.msg147591#msg147591)

Large slide moves in. (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=19897.msg147610#msg147610)

Modified slide header support for 2002 U270 (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=19985.msg143521#msg143521)

HWH Cylinder replacement - 2000 U320 Single Slide (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=22216.msg168190#msg168190)

(I searched on train with Brad & Christine Slaughter as the post author)
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: JohnFitz on June 04, 2016, 10:42:39 am
Another thing to checkout is the Aquahot.  From what I understand on the forum is freeze damage (from not winterizing) is very expensive - multiple thousands.  While the main coach heating systems has anti-freeze in it, there is a fresh water coil inside the boiler (for your domestic hot water) that can split if allowed to freeze.  I'm no expert on this but the forum has a couple commercial members who do service and might provide some advice:  Roger Berke and Rudy Leggett.

Here's a link from 5 years ago on entire AH replacment (for a different reason) with some cost information: Aqua-Hot replacement (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=12546.msg65918#msg65918)
Use the search feature (under "community" tab) to find many more on the subject

I think you are doing all the right things to check this coach out, but if it were me, I would try to make sure I wasn't getting tunnel vision on this one coach - which I have done in the past on other things.  Tunnel vision is the seller's friend.  Just some advice, FWIW, it may not apply to you at all and my apologies if it doesn't.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Tom Lang on June 04, 2016, 11:37:26 am
Lay down on the bed and look up.  More switches, including one labeled floor lights.

And the minor hairline cracks on the roof are fairly normal at this age and easily repaired.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on June 04, 2016, 11:43:53 am
Another thing to checkout is the Aquahot.
True, dat! I watched my neighbor with a Blue Bird have his AH rebuilt, it was not pretty how trashed it was, mostly, I was told, because of lack of service to catch a problem before what happened to him. Basically, the whole unit had to be rebuilt top to bottom. Even from my chair next door, I could see the CBs flying out of his pocket!  :'(
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 04, 2016, 12:19:33 pm
As for coach batteries - a lot of us have bought at O'Reilly's - if you consummate a deal you may want to check their prices - many stores will actually install for free I am told.

Good luck on your journey -

what year is the coach again?
2002 build 6036. dated March
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 04, 2016, 12:21:26 pm
Lay down on the bed and look up.  More switches, including one labeled floor lights.

And the minor hairline cracks on the roof are fairly normal at this age and easily repaired.
OK thnx, will look there next time I head down to Eugene
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 04, 2016, 12:45:00 pm

Ran the slide out to it's stops and back in... bladder is kaput and air shut off to it.
Now for the DUMB Question.
 I read that this year of coach used a "Train" type of slide mechanism?????
When the slide started to extend it "tipped down" extended to near full and then "tipped" back up to level.
Did the tipping in reverse order  when I retracted it. then  it "seated"
 Is  the "tipping" of the slide on extension and retraction normal????
And the travel light came on so pins were doing what they are supposed to do I guess.
 Thnx to all and this forum is AWSUM!




Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 07, 2016, 10:46:53 pm
well the plot thickened a bit, may have AQ leak issues, water intrusion at the slide  and the model data plate #'s show it to be a  4010 not a 4210.......doesn't quite jibe with the sellers description...... :-\
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: stump on June 07, 2016, 11:25:35 pm
Now, is that the same coach we saw in the junkyard? Eugene & Springfield are neighbors, what's the deal?  ::)
Craigslist makes you post individual ads in each area you want to reach. It's a pain in the butt!
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: craneman on June 07, 2016, 11:34:18 pm
It's back on Ebay
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 08, 2016, 03:39:42 pm
Yup has been for a week or so. He re-listed it the day after ad expired......
Ad still states it is a 42'.. data plate says otherwise... mdl 4010...
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on June 08, 2016, 04:36:17 pm

So, the "dealer" is putting out-of-pocket change to keep listing the coach. That tells me, he/she is getting tired of this. Do you love the coach, are you ready, is the asking lower than FTs of the same age? Paperwork would be a no brainer, but I'd be wondering why the PO did not consign her to someone (George Sutton) that knows high-end coaches? Banks don't like to give out a lot of cash these days, but it can be done. So, the "asking" is $85K?  Buy a first-class aluminum (Halliburton) case, stock it with 65K in cash, don't stroll in with your Armani suit, wear your jeans & tee. Have 10k in your back pocket, just in case he kacks. Bottom line? His eyes should bug out of his head, and YOU GIVE HIM THE CASE!  ^.^d
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 08, 2016, 05:55:17 pm
It will be a week or two  before we can pull the trigger so to say..... will let him stew a while longer....
And as for Sutton... He got bit hard on a former Motorcade President's 2000 40' 320 trade in..... so don't think he would have any sympathy...
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 17, 2016, 10:43:54 pm
Still stirring the pot  teehee
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: craneman on June 25, 2016, 10:13:01 pm
Now relisted at $99,000 up from $85,000 on Ebay
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Doug W. on June 25, 2016, 10:28:41 pm

Still listed on CL for $88k

2002 Fortravel U320 42' 89K miles in Great Condition (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rvd/5639720997.html)
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on June 26, 2016, 02:22:07 pm
Gonna let him stew for a while longer......wonder if he has addressed any of it's issues.... or did he just raise the price?
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on June 26, 2016, 02:35:05 pm
I see the ad has been moved to the Seattle area, maybe looking for a Jeff Bezos/Bill Gates? I feel sorry for that coach, she needs a good home.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Hans&Marjet on June 26, 2016, 04:53:58 pm
I see the ad has been moved to the Seattle area, maybe looking for a Jeff Bezos/Bill Gates? I feel sorry for that coach, she needs a good home.
I see the ad has been moved to the Seattle area, maybe looking for a Jeff Bezos/Bill Gates? I feel sorry for that coach, she needs a good home.
I see the ad has been moved to the Seattle area, maybe looking for a Jeff Bezos/Bill Gates? I feel sorry for that coach, she needs a good home.
U buy it Mikey....give her a good home.. ^.^d  ^.^d
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on July 21, 2016, 09:52:49 pm
Well today was the day.........PULLED THE TRIGGER & WROTE OUT THE CHECK & TITLE IN HAND!
Put into the shop for batteries and a new alternator, Shop will do a full maintenance regiment... plus all hoses,belts,air dryer (top & bottom) filters  and anything else we can find.
Bulkheads look good, one of the mechanics has owned a FT so he knows what to be aware of...
 Now to clean out and spiff up the former Geezermobile, and watch it leave the driveway for the final time.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Siren on July 21, 2016, 10:32:38 pm
Well today was the day.........PULLED THE TRIGGER & WROTE OUT THE CHECK
WOWOWOWOWOW!!!!  Congratulations!!!!!  It has been fun to watch the ups and downs and read the dialogue back and forth on this particular coach journey.  We are really happy for you that after all this time and effort invested and emotional roller coaster, you have yourself a Foretravel with the floorplan the DW loves.  YAY FOR YOU BOTH!!!!  ^.^d  ^.^d  ^.^d

Sleep tight, and welcome to the club. 
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: its toby on July 22, 2016, 09:20:12 am
Congratulations, heres hoping you are that guy that bought that fantastic motorhome and never looked back.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on August 06, 2016, 03:19:29 am
Finally got it home after 3 weeks @ Freightliner for oil,air/filters, replaced the alternator also replaced the air dryer, then they found a wheel seal on the drive axle leaking..... UH OH!
 Seems that someone (PO/dealer?) didn't realize that a brake pad was "frozen" to the disc rotor...... THEN drove it anyway.. melted the rotor and the heat took out the seal, so went ahead and had Freightliner do a full meal deal on both ends as well as checking and lubing the caliper slides on all wheel positions...
 Now find that the fridge will freeze but not cool...... will be checking the flue & wiring connections in the morning.
And while on the roof might as well drag the vacuum up there and see if the front AC condenser & squirrel cage  is just needing a good cleaning to get it to cool again.

The saga will continue I'm sure


 
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Michelle on August 06, 2016, 07:41:32 am
Now that this coach is sold, I highly recommend starting a new topic for individual issues rather than using this thread.  A catch-all topic is nearly impossible to follow and the info won't show up in a future search properly.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: Gayle McNeece on August 06, 2016, 11:13:47 am
It's listed as "Ended" today on eBay.
Title: Re: Coach on Ebay
Post by: saddlesore on August 06, 2016, 10:44:12 pm
Now that this coach is sold, I highly recommend starting a new topic for individual issues rather than using this thread.  A catch-all topic is nearly impossible to follow and the info won't show up in a future search properly.
Good Idea, thnx

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