Foretravel Owners' Forum

Foretravel Motorhome Forums => Foretravel Tech Talk => Topic started by: Chuck & Jeannie on July 27, 2016, 05:28:00 pm

Title: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on July 27, 2016, 05:28:00 pm
I just got a email from Tom over at Newell Gurus.  He said he has just completed another group sale of HWH kits for his members, and has ended up with a few kits left over.  Not many - he said he has "...about 15 kits at the moment."  Since I had such good luck with the HWH project on our Forum, and vouched without reservation for the honesty of our membership, he is offering us the remaining kits.  They will be the same price as last time - $100.00 plus shipping.  They will contain exactly the same items as before.

If you are new to this Forum, or did not hear about the last Great HWH Kit Sale in time to act, here is a link to the thread.  It should answer all of your questions:

Brand New Replica HWH Plungers (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=27598.0)

All dealing and correspondence this time will be directly with Tom McCloud.  He will provide all the details about payment, timing, shipping, etc.  If you desire to purchase any of these remaining kits, you should contact him without delay, as the supply is extremely limited.  His email address:

tom@newellgurus.com

Moderators:  I did not know if this post should go in the Classified section.  Feel free to move it if you desire.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: wolfe10 on July 27, 2016, 05:42:01 pm
Chuck,

Just fine here in Tech Talk.

Thanks.

Brett
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on July 28, 2016, 11:00:43 pm
Bumping this up to the top, to be sure everyone (who has any interest) sees it.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Rich Bowman on July 29, 2016, 06:35:49 am
Thanks Chuck.  It is very timely.  I ordered a set to rebuild my slide out room manifold.  I'll let everyone know how it goes.  If it works, (there are two solenoids for each slide bladder), I'll have a few left over I can pass on to someone else if they need to do the same thing.

Rich
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on July 30, 2016, 11:04:09 pm
Bump, one last time, then I'll let it fade away.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: TulsaTrent on July 31, 2016, 10:38:24 am
How many six-packs do we have in our Foretravels?
 
Trent
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on July 31, 2016, 11:23:55 am
How many six-packs do we have in our Foretravels?
2 six-packs in a standard 2-axle coach.  If you have a tag axle, there is another HWH manifold, with ____ additional solenoid valves.  I don't know how many...somebody with a tag could tell us.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Rich Bowman on July 31, 2016, 11:40:08 am
And I think that each slide bladder has a 2-pack.  I'll let you know more in about a week after I get my plungers and try to rebuild my 2-pack.

Rich
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on August 01, 2016, 05:26:13 pm
Tom reports as of today (Aug 1st) he has 5 kits left.  I think he has just about exhausted the market on his forum, so there may not be another opportunity to procure these kits anytime soon.  Just saying...snooze you lose.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Barry & Cindy on August 01, 2016, 09:37:38 pm
We purchased two 6-pack rebuilding kits from Tom.  The special tool and spare parts make the rebuilding something we can do ourselves.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on August 05, 2016, 01:16:26 pm
Last post on this thread, I promise.  Tom just notified me that he sold the last kit from his current inventory to one of our members.  So, the order window is closed.  He also said that IF he has enough demand, from his forum or ours (or both), then he may do another group purchase sometime in the future.  No set date.  If you think you might ever have a need for one or more of these kits, then it would be prudent to let Tom know.  Just drop him a email and express your interest.  This is not eBay - you will have no contractual obligation to actually buy the kits you "reserve".  It's just that Tom has to have a general idea of how much demand is there, before he can go to the supplier with his order for the parts.

tom@newellgurus.com
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: John Haygarth on August 08, 2016, 10:55:40 am
As I posted on another thread Chuck, Tom told me that could be happening sooner than later if he gets more calls to add to mine and a few others. I should have ordered at least 2 sets from you as I will be having Friends CCoach here in Sept to do his as he has problems it seems.
JohnH
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Gary & Jeannie on August 24, 2016, 05:52:11 pm
As I posted on another thread Chuck, Tom told me that could be happening sooner than later if he gets more calls to add to mine and a few others. I should have ordered at least 2 sets from you as I will be having Friends CCoach here in Sept to do his as he has problems it seems.
JohnH

After reading John's post several weeks ago I contacted Tom to go on the waiting list.  Received an email from Tom today that he got some more kits in this week and he is able fill my request for two kits.  Anyone interested might want to contact him regarding availability.

Gary
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: John Haygarth on August 24, 2016, 06:18:26 pm
Mine are on the way from Tom now.
JohnH
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: DavidS on August 24, 2016, 07:01:13 pm
Mine are on the way also..  8)
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Carol & Scott on September 14, 2016, 08:59:41 am
I have contacted Tom to inquire about available sets/future orders. 

Edit:  Have contacted HWH -PART NUMBER IS RAP1940 COST $109.00
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Michelle on September 14, 2016, 10:29:42 am
I have contacted Tom to inquire about available sets/future orders. 

Edit:  Have contacted HWH -PART NUMBER IS RAP1940 COST $109.00

That HWH number is for a single solenoid valve, not a six-pack plunger/spring/o-ring rebuild kit.  See Chuck's first post in his original topic Brand New Replica HWH Plungers (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=27598.0)  HWH will not sell just the plunger part.

You would need 6 RAP1940's for each manifold. 
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Carol & Scott on September 14, 2016, 12:38:40 pm
Thanks Michelle -

(I have been in touch with Randy @ HWH as our nose is raising slightly which indicates that at least one of the front solenoids is "bleeding".  We will order 2 solenoids from HWH and replace the front ones.  We have also contacted Tom @ newellguru and he is getting together another order and will get 2 sets for us for future delivery.  Certainly $100 for the rebuild kit is mucho better than $109 per solenoid.)

Any one have an extra solenoid wrench out there that they could send us so we can use until our kits get here?  ;D


Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: John Haygarth on September 14, 2016, 12:48:33 pm
Scott, you can actually use vice grips to get them apart (I know this sounds crazy) as when Barry "Beam" was here and we did his 6 packs they would not come apart with wrench provided so he used V Grips and they did come apart. There was no damage on the part and it all worked fine after. I was skeptical as I thought it may crush the wall but it did not and piston has lots of room to move inside. There just was no way we could get some apart using the tool- even soaking with release stuff. Since leaving here they have traveled thousands of miles and they are working well. Other things have not though, blew a Tag tire and a roof AC replaced.
JohnH
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Bill Willett on September 14, 2016, 01:16:11 pm
Call Peter Paul Electronics 866-918-9983 and ask for GF-CIO wrench.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Balcanthez on September 14, 2016, 02:26:03 pm
I'm on the waiting list for 2 kits from Tom as well. He's waiting to get enough people to make the next order.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Carol & Scott on September 14, 2016, 03:36:02 pm
Thanks Guys -
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on September 14, 2016, 06:35:41 pm
I'm in with Tom for (3) sets.

Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: bdale on October 13, 2016, 03:21:05 pm
Emailed Tom this morning to get in line for 2 sets.  He already emailed back that 2 are available.  Sold.  I haven't had any problems with my leveling system and don't have slides so this is a backup plan to avoid much higher cost of an emergency repair, or maybe a preventive maintenance rebuild if I run out of other things to do.  Thanks to Forum, especially Chuck, for making this possible.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: John Haygarth on November 06, 2016, 11:57:17 pm
I have just got off the Phone from Barry (Beam) as he called  to touch base & with some very important info on this subject.
He has been having an issue with his Tag and figured it had to be the 6 pack that we rebuilt while he was here. He had spoken to HWH about this and they informed him that all the solenoids and parts are the same. He then called FT and spoke to a tech who also said they are the same. Then still not convinced he called J Trianna and was told he thought they are the same but would find out. Well after talking to him later it seems that the 2 Tag ones are NOT the same as they have a slightly larger diameter hole in the port. Barry decided to get under the coach and he took one of the Tag solenoids off and it was the right one in the right place but the other one alongside was not the larger hole. Luckily the next one up was the one that should have been in the bottom row so he switched it with the other and now all is working as should. So beware if you are doing it should you have a TAG and do not mix those 2 solenoids up with the other 4. To be safe just do 1 at a time and replace it before going to next one.

JohnH
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 07, 2016, 08:53:33 am
Good catch, and a happy (i.e. no cost) solution to the problem.

Way back when I first initiated my fruitful discussion with Tom McCloud, he mentioned the larger size hole in the tag axel solenoid valves.  In the thread announcing the replica plungers, in Reply #3, I touched on that fact, saying:

"I believe all the brass HWH valve bodies are the same, regardless of model or year.  They used a different looking electric coil, with a "U" shaped bracket, on the newer coaches.  But, I think the brass part is the same.  Except, that is, for the ones used on tag axle lifting manifolds.  Those have a larger internal port (hole) that the plunger sets down on.  Because it has a wide blue insert, this plunger should also work there!"

Brand New Replica HWH Plungers (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=27598.msg226342#msg226342)

Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck Pearson on November 07, 2016, 10:27:49 am
Just a guess, but are the solenoids faster action (with larger port) to enable quick tag lift?
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: John Haygarth on November 07, 2016, 11:45:20 am
Chuck- thanks for this info I had missed it and so had Barry obviously when he was searching for info before getting under and checking. One thing comes to mind though and that is that he was told by HWH that all solenoids are the same and to all like minded people I too would have thought that comment meant including tag as he specifically mentioned the Tag to them it seems. FT also thought they were the same untill JT made some more calls and then found out what is what.
Thanks again and I am sure it is now stuck in the minds of folks with Tags.

Chuck P-- yes I gather that would make sense as it would allow faster build up of air (and dump too). I also forgot to reply to your other question on the Banks. I have the "Stinger" so only the Actuator was replaced with a bigger one but in the "Power Pack" system the Turbo body is also replaced with one of their own.
JohnH
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: John Haygarth on November 07, 2016, 12:28:42 pm
I just received a couple of pictures from Barry showing the difference on these plungers for Tags. You can see plainly that there is a big difference in the them compared to all the rest.
JohnH
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 07, 2016, 01:50:49 pm
You can see plainly that there is a big difference in the them compared to all the rest.
Thanks for the pix.  First time I've actually seen a tag axel valve body.  Yup, BIG difference - looks to be about 3 or 4 times more flow area.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: pocketchange on November 09, 2016, 02:48:28 pm
Question:

Is the valve contamination both internal (charge air source) or external?  pc
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: John Haygarth on November 09, 2016, 11:38:14 pm
Not sure what you mean but the air that goes thru these is from the air dryer originally then to tanks and out thru lines. No outside contamination at all but any crap/desiccant/ oil that is not caught by air dryer will have a major affect on the sealing of valve.
JohnH
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on December 03, 2016, 02:08:37 pm
hi all,

i have another small batch of kits that i just put together.  if anyone needs any let me know

thanks

tom mccloud
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on April 11, 2017, 12:53:54 am
hi all,

i have 5 or 6 kits left from a recent batch if anyone is interested.

thanks

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: jor on April 11, 2017, 11:10:20 am
Sent you a PM, Tom.
jor
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Ric & Leslie on April 11, 2017, 11:17:49 am
Also sent you a PM, Tom
Thanks Ric
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on April 12, 2017, 11:14:29 am
thanks all.  you guys are great to deal with. 

i sold out but placed another order for a small batch today.  so let me know if you would like to be on the wait list

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on June 17, 2017, 11:31:35 am
howdy all,

i have a few kits from the last build left.  i was traveling on our summer trip and there were two foretravels next to me in the rv park.  i went over and talked and they knew about the kits....and bought one.  and we had a great visit.  ya never know. 

let me know if anyone needs any. 

thanks

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Jeff & Sandy on June 17, 2017, 01:28:17 pm
howdy all,

i have a few kits from the last build left.  i was traveling on our summer trip and there were two foretravels next to me in the rv park.  i went over and talked and they knew about the kits....and bought one.  and we had a great visit.  ya never know. 

let me know if anyone needs any. 

thanks

I could use a set. :+)
tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on June 17, 2017, 02:30:56 pm
Jeff,

Just send a PM to Tom with your request.  He will get back to you with the price and other details.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on August 03, 2017, 02:05:13 am
howdy all,

i am out of the kits, but am about to place an order to get some more.  if anyone is interested, please let me know so i can include you on the list of people wanting them and order enough.    no money required till i get them.

thanks

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Charlie G on August 03, 2017, 08:44:45 am
Hi

I would like to get (2) sets. And to be correct for the tag I would have to source them thru others correct?

Thanks
Charlie
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on August 03, 2017, 09:10:51 am
Charlie,

If you will scroll back up this thread to Reply #28, you will see photos of the tag axle solenoid valve body compared to the "standard" HWH valve body.  The only difference is the size of the internal air passage.  The plungers in Tom's kits will work for both types of valve bodies.  You just need to order one "extra" kit to provide the 2 additional plungers (plus a few spares).
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: wolfe10 on August 03, 2017, 09:26:57 am
My suggestion to keep this thread on track:

If you are interested in ordering them, please PM Tom (encantotom).

Thanks.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Charlie G on August 03, 2017, 09:31:52 am
Chuck,

Thanks for the info ...I did review post 28 that shows difference and comments. I understand the plunger will work, just did not know what effect it would have on the operation of the tag with the smaller hole. Longer dump cycle when dumping air? Or really not noticeable or am I missing something?

Thanks
Charlie
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: John Haygarth on August 03, 2017, 09:54:15 am
Charlie, the tag needs a faster dump and reset so that is why the hole in valve is bigger compared to bags etc. It needs this faster action and barry  "Beam" found this out after he had left our place and us changing all of his Plungers etc. He noticed that the tag was not operating as before (slower) and did a bit of checking. We did not know of the difference (obviously) when doing them all. Once changed he said it was back to normal. The seat on the plungers is big enough for this larger drilling so they do work fine.
This replacement of originals is a bit awkward to do but the cost of these parts is a big saving over OEM.  have done a few of them now (sets) in 3 coach's but luckily having the pit makes it soooo much easier. Barry said it was a dream compared to sliding under and trying to find a comfortable position (none).
JohnH
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on August 03, 2017, 01:30:32 pm
i cannot speak for the foretravels, but i came accross some valve bodies that had larger orfice sizes than the ones my coach had used and i used 2 of them for the rears (on my newell the tag and drive airbags are inflated with the same solenoid valve) so it would raise a little quicker.  the plunger seat worked fine with mine. 

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on September 08, 2018, 06:25:49 pm
hello my foretravel friends.

i am out of these kits but am putting together another order to have them made.  if anyone is in need of them, let me know quickly please.  no upfront money.

thanks

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: farmerstu on September 08, 2018, 07:45:04 pm
tom i would take 2 sets.
thanks so much for doing this.ill pm you my email.
thanks again
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Jeff & Sandy on September 08, 2018, 08:13:33 pm
I'd like another set Tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on September 09, 2018, 03:14:54 pm
I'm bumping this up to the top, because I don't want anyone to miss this opportunity.  In case some of our newer members don't fully realize the significance of what is being offered here, I'll link below to the original thread that supplies all the details.

Some day Tom might get tired of providing this service, and a valuable resource will disappear.  If you think you might EVER need/want to rebuild your 6-pack manifolds, I suggest you take advantage of this offer.  The kits will "keep" just fine until the time you eventually use them.

Brand New Replica HWH Plungers (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=27598)
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: DavidS on September 09, 2018, 04:29:27 pm
Add me in for 1 pack
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: wolfe10 on September 09, 2018, 04:46:34 pm
I am sure most are already aware of this, but, remember, there are TWO 6-packs-- one in front, one in back.

But, cost of installation WILL BE more than 2 6 packs.  Probably a case of wine.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Bill Chaplin on September 09, 2018, 04:55:10 pm
I would not  do it for less tha 6 case's of 1/2 gallons of Black Jack !
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Hans&Marjet on September 09, 2018, 05:04:11 pm
Payment up on completion !
 :)  :)
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: wolfe10 on September 09, 2018, 05:33:06 pm
I would not  do it for less than 6 case's of 1/2 gallons of Black Jack !

Now, THAT is a lot of anti-freeze. 
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: rclark on September 09, 2018, 06:53:19 pm
Tom
I would like two kits
Thanks
Ron
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Karl Shurtleff on September 09, 2018, 07:27:13 pm
Put me down for 2 please Tom.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: bbeane on September 09, 2018, 07:28:10 pm
I would not  do it for less tha 6 case's of 1/2 gallons of Black Jack !
[/quote
Hey Bill, maybe a couple bottles of Pappy Van Winkle 😎
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: gracerace on September 09, 2018, 07:33:16 pm
Once the coach is blocked.Took me 30 minutes to do the front, probably the same for the back if not less. Have already done one of those.
Faster then one I did in Parker in the dirt, as Bruce Bean drove by and waved....LOL
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Gerry Vicha on September 09, 2018, 08:58:01 pm
This is a question.  Why do these plungers go bad? Shouldn't the "O" rings wear? Or is there a corrosion problem?  I am considering ordering 2 sets just in case I have a failure. But as of now my system works as it should and holds pressure. Sure hope I don't jinx myself.  ::)
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: gracerace on September 09, 2018, 09:23:09 pm
The plungers starting leaking past,maybe the springs get's bad, I don't know. The imprint on the rubber, clearing showed it was worn on 2 of mine.
I keep a complete valve with me, because the electric part of the solenoid failed in the middle of the desert last winter, and I couldn't get to ride height. Just happened at at one.
Easy and cheap to do. Preventive maintenance.
Chris
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: gracerace on September 25, 2018, 09:00:04 pm
I need a pack, need to do rears.
Thanks
Chris
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Old phart phred on September 25, 2018, 09:58:36 pm
I don't have 6 packs, but has anybody added a fine filter upstream of the manifold.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: folivier on September 25, 2018, 10:32:42 pm
Phred I thought about maybe doing that and also adding a sintered brass filter for the exhaust port (to keep mud daubers from plugging it).  Maybe someday I'll try it.  The only downside might be slower reacting leveling.
But I'm not sure if contamination is causing the solenoid seat problems or just the seat deforming from so many activations.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: gracerace on September 25, 2018, 10:57:39 pm
BTW, I used these plungers, and I am not convinced they work. I believe they can't handle the pressure and leak through after a short period of use.. Also, after some use, it appears the little black center has pushed down into the metal hole, and is letting the metal touch the valve inside.
lastly, the black rubber looks really funky after less then a years use.
Jim  Mc Neece did a nice test and write up on these, but never finished any later info on the post

Possible HWH Solenoid Replacement Plungers (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=19984.msg143512#msg143512)


Has anyone else used there with luck?

Inventories in Stock by Oemsurplus911.com (http://www.oemsurplus911.com/skinner/skinner_parts.htm)
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: gracerace on September 26, 2018, 04:27:41 pm
BTW, I used these plungers, and I am not convinced they work. I believe they can't handle the pressure and leak through after a short period of use.. Also, after some use, it appears the little black center has pushed down into the metal hole, and is letting the metal touch the valve inside.
lastly, the black rubber looks really funky after less then a years use.
Jim  Mc Neece did a nice test and write up on these, but never finished any later info on the post

Possible HWH Solenoid Replacement Plungers (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=19984.msg143512#msg143512)


Has anyone else used there with luck?

Inventories in Stock by Oemsurplus911.com (http://www.oemsurplus911.com/skinner/skinner_parts.htm)

I want to clarify, these are not the high quality plungers Tom is selling. I actually have 2 orders in with him. Here is a picture of the one's I used, and don't seem to be working well. Can't say it for a fact they don't work, but I would stick with Toms.
You can see in the picture the center rubber is much smaller in diameter. I couldn't show it in the picture, but the black material has sunk into the metal.
Chris
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: rwhoffmantx on September 26, 2018, 05:43:18 pm
If still available, I would like (2) kits please.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Carol & Scott on September 26, 2018, 09:47:31 pm
I have replaced 3 sets and have found no failures with Tom's sets.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: kenhat on September 27, 2018, 11:27:50 am
I've replaced both of my 6 packs with Tom's plungers. Coach stays level for weeks at a time now.  ^.^d  ^.^d  ^.^d

see ya
ken
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Gerry Vicha on September 27, 2018, 12:18:51 pm
I would also like to order two (2) sets of plunger kits. Thank you. ^.^d
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Rudy on September 27, 2018, 12:43:39 pm
For you folks that wish to order plunger kits, please send an email order to Tom McCloud, owner of Newell Guru Forum.  He will get back to you.  Another of the really good RV guys.

encantotom@gmail.com
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Carol & Scott on September 27, 2018, 01:04:52 pm
Just a bit of background for those that are not aware:

Tom and others found the means to provide these plunger sets.  They sourced the plungers, springs and O rings.  Once their orders become completed, Tom and his wife take all of the individual parts and package the "sets" in their home and then mail them to us.  This has got to be a labor of love.

When we contact Tom for sets he accumulates requests from all requesters and holds them until he reaches a given quantity then orders the plungers.  It's not like going to the store and bringing home the products we want.  It can take months for Tom and Company to reach enough requests to meets "minimum qty" levels.

Have talked with Tom many times over the years and is a great guy.  This is not his business and derives no monies from these transactions.  He is providing these sets because ho knows how, has done the ground work and is willing to volunteer his time and experience to help us.

Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on November 16, 2018, 10:14:00 am
howdy,

i have some kits left if anyone needs any

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: John Haygarth on November 16, 2018, 12:22:26 pm
My take on why they do fail after time is if you have any contaminants in the air system, some will deposit on the seat face and build up with time. This will cause the fine seating of the seal material to allow an air leak.  As has been mentioned the material seat has to be good enough to withstand millions of hits by the plunger, so again you have an air leak if it will not stand up to this test. Cleanliness is very important on a rebuild. I have done 3 sets of these 6 packs and they all still are in good working order.
This is not a hard job to do as 9thers have contested, but you do  need to mark every tube and wiring and make sure they are returned to original position.
JohnH
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on November 16, 2018, 12:41:37 pm
john is spot on.  as i talked to an engineer about these in having them made.  he said they are meant to work almost forever.  but in totally clean industrial systems with clean air.  my newell has over 10 air tanks and they all generate contamination.  moisture is the enemy.  drain you air tanks of moisture often. 

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: wolfe10 on November 16, 2018, 12:51:07 pm
Actually, if you ever get any moisture out of any air tank, it is an indication that the AIR DRYER HAS FAILED!
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on November 16, 2018, 02:19:16 pm
brett, 

i agree in part.  the air dryer on the newells is only for the engine compressor.  i have a 12v and 120v compressor that generate moisture as well.  there are mechanisms for automatically releasing water, but not everywhere.  i cant tell you how many times i have drained a few easy to get at air tanks on friends newells that filled up a cup with rusty water. 

my two cents worth. 

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: wolfe10 on November 16, 2018, 03:14:29 pm
Dryers come in all sizes.  If not equipped from the factory, install one now.

Several discussions on this here on the ForeForum.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on November 16, 2018, 05:57:23 pm
i have a number of dryer/ water separators.  living in az, i dont actually generate as much condensation as other areas. 

my newell has an air entrance door, two internal air pocket doors, 2 air toilets, air dump valves, etc

air leaks are a constant task to find. 

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Journey, Roam, Explore on November 20, 2018, 12:05:46 am
howdy,

i have some kits left if anyone needs any

tom
Tom I will take 2 to rebuild 2 six packs. PM sent.
Thanks
Bob
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Ghallid on November 20, 2018, 07:41:27 am
Tom
Add me in for 2 packs
Greg
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 20, 2018, 09:03:06 am
Greg,

Send a PM direct to Tom, to be sure he gets your order.  Use the "Send Member a PM" button under "Contact Info" on his profile page.

http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4660
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: MisterEd on May 24, 2019, 02:45:27 am
Tom,
PM sent.

Chuck,
It was a pleasure meeting/talking with you at FOT last week.

Greg
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: gracerace on May 24, 2019, 08:36:31 pm
Tom,
PM sent.

Chuck,
It was a pleasure meeting/talking with you at FOT last week.

Greg

Tom is awesome. It's a labor of love for him. Parts are awesome
Chris
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: MisterEd on June 22, 2019, 11:37:12 am
Tom is awesome. It's a labor of love for him. Parts are awesome
Chris

Chris,

I agree. Tom is awesome. He called me on Memorial Day to confirm my request. Received the kits yesterday; very nice!  ^.^d  Installed rear six pack, front gets renewed today. Will replace open LR lower coil, here next week from FOT, and be back in business.

Thanks Tom.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Dub on June 22, 2019, 02:40:12 pm
Tom is sending me two. I will feel better having the kits in my parts bin especially while on the road. He has done a good job with the Newell forum, very nice group of people there. Thanks Tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on June 22, 2019, 11:20:25 pm
thanks for the nice comments gang.  i got a batch in last week and sold out quickly.  once i get enough requests for more i will order another batch. 

thanks again.  you foretravel folks rock.

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on July 16, 2019, 12:54:38 am
i have a batch in and have some that are not committed yet. 

let me know if you are interested.

thanks

tom mccloud
tom@newellgurus.com
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on August 27, 2019, 11:59:52 pm
i ran out but have a batch of kits in this week.  small batch (aug 27, 2019)

if anyone needs any, let me know

thanks

tom
tom@newellgurus.com
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on January 16, 2020, 02:05:10 pm
howdy gang,

i just got another batch of kits in if anyone is interested. 

thanks

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: jbeem on January 16, 2020, 05:02:52 pm
Tom, can you buy just one plunger and two sets of orings to rebuild the slide bladder solenoid air valves?  Also is it possible to source the other plunger used in the air bladder valves that has 4 groves instead of two like the others?
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on January 16, 2020, 07:51:55 pm
jbeem,

i only buy them in quantities to build a 6 valve kit, so i do not have single plungers.....sorry. 

i am no help with the other plunger either.  only reason i did these was for my self and buddies for the six packs.  i am not a business, just a newell owner. 

sorry,

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: jbeem on January 16, 2020, 11:50:25 pm
jbeem,

i only buy them in quantities to build a 6 valve kit, so i do not have single plungers.....sorry. 

i am no help with the other plunger either.  only reason i did these was for my self and buddies for the six packs.  i am not a business, just a newell owner. 

sorry,

tom
No problem Tom.  Was just curious if anything was out there like the 6 pack rebuild kit but got for the slide valves.  Thanks again for putting these rebuild kits together.  Already used one of the two you sent me.  Made a huge difference in the ability of the coach to stay level.  Went from two days to weeks before needing to re-level.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on May 18, 2020, 12:26:16 am
hello my foretravel friends. 

i am currently out of kits and have a small wait list.  i am having more made and will have them in the next 2-3 weeks.  if anyone is interested in getting on my wait list, let me know.

i hope all of you are safe and doing well. 

thanks

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on July 20, 2020, 09:44:16 pm
i have a small batch of kits coming in this week.  let me know if anyone needs any. 

thanks

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on October 09, 2020, 02:13:18 pm
i continue to get requests for the kits.  i get the parts and put the kits together in small batches.  i do that because i am not a business and dont want to get stuck with a bunch of these things.  i have a handful of them left from the batch i just got in last week. 

let me know if anyone is in need.  everytime i think no one is ever going to want any more i get a few folks asking for them. 

i have to tell you foreforum members what a great bunch you are.  the same goes for my newellgurus forum members.  appreciative and easy to deal with.  if you were not, i would not be doing this.  i am retired and dont need the kind of grief i had when i was working.....ha

thanks to each of you.  i have made many great friends from the foretravel bunch. 

as always, if you are in the phoenix area, please stop by and say hi.  i live in between surprise and wickenburg out in the country.  i also have 2 full hookup 50a rv spots if you want to spend a nite and say hi. 

thanks again,

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: bbeane on October 09, 2020, 05:15:33 pm
Thanks for you effort putting these kits together. 👍👍
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: gracerace on October 09, 2020, 07:24:35 pm
i continue to get requests for the kits.  i get the parts and put the kits together in small batches.  i do that because i am not a business and dont want to get stuck with a bunch of these things.  i have a handful of them left from the batch i just got in last week. 

let me know if anyone is in need.  everytime i think no one is ever going to want any more i get a few folks asking for them. 

i have to tell you foreforum members what a great bunch you are.  the same goes for my newellgurus forum members.  appreciative and easy to deal with.  if you were not, i would not be doing this.  i am retired and dont need the kind of grief i had when i was working.....ha

thanks to each of you.  i have made many great friends from the foretravel bunch. 

as always, if you are in the phoenix area, please stop by and say hi.  i live in between surprise and wickenburg out in the country.  i also have 2 full hookup 50a rv spots if you want to spend a nite and say hi. 

thanks again,

tom

Thanks Tom for all your effort.
For sure it's a labor of love. Was awesome talking with you, hearing about your projects. We are brothers from other mothers!
Chris White
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: tmehrkam on January 08, 2021, 05:05:18 pm
Are any kits available.

Will they work on a 2006 Nimbus 336?  Just saw It is my responsibility to verify if they work.

That being said what is the possibility of them working.  Would like to have possible replacements before I tear my coach apart.

Thank You.
T.O.M.

Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on January 08, 2021, 06:08:55 pm
Are any kits available.
Will they work on a 2006 Nimbus 336?
T.O.M.,

I can't answer your questions directly - never even seen a 2006 Nimbus in person.  But, hopefully another Nimbus owning member will chime in.  Or you can look at the photos below from the (front) 6-pack on my coach.  Compare the HWH solenoids on your coach to the ones in my photos.  If the solenoids on your manifold look like the ones in my photo, odds are the kits will work.

Note:  The metal cover over the coil on your solenoids may look different from mine.  Later models had a "U" shaped metal bracket instead of a full cover.  The rest of the valve, however, is identical.

Or, send a PM to Tom McCloud (link below) and ask him.  He may know.  He can also advise if he has any kits on hand, and the current price.

https://www.foreforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4660

Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Michelle on January 08, 2021, 06:31:17 pm
T.O.M.,

I can't answer your questions directly - never even seen a 2006 Nimbus in person. 

I believe the 2006 Nimbus is essentially a U320/U295.  The Nimbus name was put on it for the 2006 model year.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Peter on January 08, 2021, 09:13:36 pm
are these kits still available??  Late to the game but just noticed the post??
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Michelle on January 08, 2021, 10:00:34 pm
are these kits still available??  Late to the game but just noticed the post??

Contact Encantotom directly.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chris m lang on January 09, 2021, 07:11:59 am
I just ordered a kit from Tom, contacted him last week and he said that a new batch was coming in so I ordered 1 kit
Kit plus shipping was 125.00. should be here today or Monday
If he is out he will let you know when the next batch should be coming in.
Chris
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on January 09, 2021, 12:23:00 pm
hi all,

as for the nimbus, he is going to take pictures and let me see them.  like chuck has said, if they look like his in his pictures they will most likely fit. 

as for availability,  i have one kit left from the batch that just came in and it is reserved for someone.  if he doesnt contact me by early next week it will be avail.  and i have another batch ordered to come in later this month.  you and the newell guys have asked for more than usual here lately. 

the kits that i mailed out wednesday should start arriving today and monday.  if i get payment before the post office closes i always send out the same day.  i live in a rural area so i hop in my rzr and scoot over to the post office to drop them off.  nice ride....ha

thanks everyone

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on January 29, 2021, 09:27:22 pm
i have gone through most of two batches the last 2 months.  i do have some left from this last batch.  there were a few folks who wanted some but never responded back.  so if you are one of them let me know.  for anyone else that might needs some let me know as i have some as of now. 

thanks

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Cape Bretoner on January 30, 2021, 02:40:30 am
Tom can you ship to Canada and can you supply the proper wrench so that I don't damage the valve removing it or where can I buy one I would like  two kit  here's my email  rick.cormier@icloud.com if you like to email  with the information
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on January 30, 2021, 12:01:44 pm
i emailed you rick

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Dub on January 30, 2021, 12:58:10 pm
Just hope Tom can keep providing the kits, when you have to buy a complete 6 pack the price stings. So thanks again Tom.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on July 15, 2021, 03:41:34 pm
hi gang,

i got in a batch a few weeks ago and have 2 kits left from it.  if anyone is interested, let me know.  also, i am starting a list for the next batch.  gee it sounds like i am making cookies.....ha

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: turbojack on July 16, 2021, 07:29:43 am
Just as a fyi.  I have had to replace a valve in my 2014 IH45.  The valves look just like the ones in the pictures above.  The Active Air system also has  2 larger valves that are for high volume on the drive axle.
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on October 18, 2021, 01:36:28 pm
howdy all,

i ran out of kits several months ago.  my supplier because of covid took over 2 months to get me more parts that i just got over the weekend. 

so i have kits if anyone is wanting them

i have made so many good friends from foreforum.  i have now sent kits to canada and germany as well as the usa for foretravel owners. 

thanks

tom
tom@newellgurus.com
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: fred breeding on October 18, 2021, 05:09:28 pm
l have a u320 2001 living room slide i have two with a leak they are hwh  let me know fred
 

Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on October 18, 2021, 06:09:36 pm
hi fred,

i emailed you

thanks

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Bob_B on November 15, 2021, 08:16:36 pm
I got two sets on the way. Thanks Tom!
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on December 13, 2021, 12:21:38 pm
happy holidays to all.  the batch of kits i got 2 months ago i have 3 left.  i ordered more late november as the lead times have stretched to 3 months or more from what i am told. 

thanks.  remember if you are in the phoenix area, feel free to come by and visit.

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: juicesqueezer on January 29, 2022, 02:36:09 pm
Tom, I emailed you and need 2 kits please.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on February 03, 2022, 08:40:03 pm
Joe, i just emailed you that i have kits now available.

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on February 03, 2022, 08:41:46 pm
I just got yet another batch of parts in for the rebuild kits.  my supplier delivered way earlier than they had committed. 

so if anyone is interested, let me know.  emailing me direct rather than PM is better for me.

thanks as always....you are a great bunch

tom
tom@newellgurus.com
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: juicesqueezer on February 04, 2022, 10:11:03 am
I just got yet another batch of parts in for the rebuild kits.  my supplier delivered way earlier than they had committed. 

so if anyone is interested, let me know.  emailing me direct rather than PM is better for me.

thanks as always....you are a great bunch

tom
tom@newellgurus.com


Thanks Tom;  check on the way!
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on April 08, 2022, 01:38:12 pm
i have some kits left from the last build batch.  this last time i ordered more than usual because of the long lead times. 

let me know if anyone needs any

thanks as always

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on July 30, 2022, 02:31:49 pm
Howdy all,

You guys have kept me hopping on these rebuild kits for a long time.  the previous batch i ran out of in april.  took almost 4 months to get more and they arrived yesterday (july 29).  my wife and i used our soft toilet paper as usual and packed them up.  the wait list has taken about half of the ones i ordered.  i still do this for fun and to help out and hope at some point i wont get stuck with these things.....ha  i only put this on here and the newellgurus forum. 

so if anyone is needing a kit or two or more i have some left. 

thanks as always.  it is always a pleasure to inter act with you all.

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on July 30, 2022, 06:37:08 pm
(I) hope at some point I wont get stuck with these things.....ha!
Tom,

I will absolutely give you my personal assurance that you will never get left holding the bag.  If you do ever decide to permanently shut down your kit supply operation and have a bunch of kits left in stock, I will take them off your hands at the then going rate.

In that event, I would resell them to our Forum members (at my cost) until the supply ran dry.  After that, it would be up to someone else on this Forum (not me) to pick up the ball, assuming they would want to take over your machine shop production contacts and assembly and distribution duties.  We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Thanx again for being such a great friend and supporter of the ForeForum collective!  ^.^d

Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on May 08, 2023, 04:07:02 pm
howdy friends,

i have gone through a number of batches of the kits lately.  the batch i just got in a few weeks ago has sold all but 6 kits. 

so if anyone is in need, let me know.  please email me at tom@newellgurus.com.  the only place i put this is here and on my newellgurus.com forum. 

thanks

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on May 29, 2023, 12:29:40 pm
hi foretravel friends,

i sold out the last batch and ordered another one and given the lead times i thought they would not be here till late june.  to my surprise i got them already.  almost half are already spoken for but there are some left.  if anyone is needing any let me know.  please email me instead of pm. 

tom@newellgurus.com

thanks

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on June 16, 2023, 08:12:50 pm
i have been getting some real nice thank you notes from you and the newell folks on these kits.  thank you for the kind words.

i made a sizeable order that came in quickly so i guess the covid lead time buildup is over. 

so i have enough to last for a while i hope.  so let me know if any of you need a kit or 2.

thanks again,

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on January 17, 2024, 03:29:12 pm
Hello my friends, 
I just sold out of the last batch of kits.  i continue to be amazed that I am still getting requests for them.  I just ordered a batch and the lead times are 7 weeks.  I have been charging 135 dollars shipped for a kit that does a six pack.  my costs  have gone up some so this next batch will be 140 dollars per kit shipped.  so i should have them sometime in march. 
so, if anyone wants to get on my wait list please let me know at tom@newellgurus.com    thank you again for your friendship and allowing me to be part of your incredible foretravel family.  i have made so many friends and i enjoy getting to know you. 

thanks again,

tom mccloud
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on February 14, 2024, 02:41:54 pm
howdy friends,

i got the new batch of parts in and my wife and i packaged them up this morning.  lovingly in toilet paper and plastic sacks.....ha

almost half are already spoken for.  if you are interested please email me at

tom@newellgurus.com

thanks as always....you guys are great. 

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on November 10, 2024, 04:50:01 pm
howdy friends,

i have gone through quite a few batches this year.  just got another in so i have plenty for a while.

let me know if you are interested.

thanks as always

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Woody & Sitka on November 10, 2024, 09:39:27 pm
Tom is the sole remaining savior of our HWH 6 pack world.  My 4 year old 6 pack(s) rebuild are still rock solid!!  You the man.  Thank you Tom!!!!
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Barry & Cindy on November 10, 2024, 10:44:25 pm
Thank you very much Tom for supporting Foretravelers to keep critical HWH level system working. We all appreciate your keeping us informed that you again have Plungers. Thanks, Barry & Cindy
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on January 05, 2025, 09:24:54 am
thank you for the kind words.  i only did it for myself and a few buddies to start with and i am glad i am able to help others as well.

i am not a business, just a guy with a coach that needed parts. 

a number of you have been to my home and we love visitors.  i have 2 full hookup sites so anyone is always welcome to stop by

tom
wittmann, az
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: rinron on January 08, 2025, 09:38:41 pm
Hi Tom, I appreciate all of your help to the forum.  I have a '93 U300.  Currently no problems with my six pacs, but if you could spare one rebuild kit, I would love to purchase one. Thanks, Ron
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on January 08, 2025, 09:56:02 pm
...if you could spare one rebuild kit, I would love to purchase one.
Ron & Bette,

Tom prefers that you contact him directly via email.  He doesn't necessarily check this Forum thread on a regular basis.

He says "If anyone is needing any (kits) let me know.  Please email me instead of pm".

tom@newellgurus.com

Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: rinron on January 08, 2025, 11:57:13 pm
Thanks!
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on January 09, 2025, 01:14:45 am
i sent an email to you ron

tom
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on August 17, 2025, 06:12:55 pm
Hello my friends,

i have a fresh batch of kits coming in early september.  i have a number of people on a wait list for them.  please let me know if any of you are interested. 

thanks as always

tom
tom@newellgurus.com
Title: Re: Replica HWH Plungers Redux
Post by: encantotom on September 03, 2025, 08:39:51 pm
I have them in hand now. 

thanks

tom
tom@newellgurus.com