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Title: Bathroom Window Leaking?
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on August 22, 2016, 07:47:52 pm
Last night it rained here in NH and I noticed water dripping down the inside bathroom wall from the bottom of the window frame.

I managed to use some tape to create a lip for the water to drip into a wastebasket and not get on the floor.

I plan to use some silicone around the edge of the window frame as a temporary fix until I get home next week

The inside frame has seen some service work, as a couple of screw heads are buggered up and a third screw will require an Ez-Out to extract. Also I noticed that the top left of the frame itself between the left and center screws
is bowed out from the wall, almost like it's too big between those screw holes.

What I would like to do is get a D seal from Xtreme to reset the window and also get a new inner frame with new square drive screws.

Does anyone know if I can buy just the inner frame and screws......... and if so,  where?

I have seen other posts advising folks to call FOT and they will give you part numbers and/or other vendors names.  Is that true?





Title: Re: Bathroom Window Info Needed
Post by: craneman on August 22, 2016, 07:57:37 pm
Guessing the swelling is from moisture in the sidewall. You need to address what is causing it.
Title: Re: Bathroom Window Info Needed
Post by: Tim Fiedler on August 22, 2016, 08:43:31 pm
Yes, it is true that FT parts is very helpful. Sounds like you may have some delamination and water intrusion damage Can you post pictures?
Title: Re: Bathroom Window Info Needed
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on August 22, 2016, 08:48:34 pm
I would start by removing the inside gasket along the bottom of where the glass sits.  Make sure that the water drains are not clogged up.

I checked them this morning and they are free.
Title: Re: Bathroom Window Info Needed
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on August 22, 2016, 08:54:04 pm
Guessing the swelling is from moisture in the sidewall. You need to address what is causing it.

I don't believe there is moisture in the sidewall
and there is no swelling.  The only thing that's
not kosher is the inside metal frame. It's like the two screw holes are further apart than their mates in the window frame itself, causing it to be bowed a bit when screwed down.
Title: Re: Bathroom Window Info Needed
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on August 22, 2016, 08:57:13 pm
Yes, it is true that FT parts is very helpful. Sounds like you may have some delamination and water intrusion damage Can you post pictures?

I may be able to post a picture tomorrow when I remove the final screw,  if I can.  I don't want to mess up the inner frame in case I can't get a replacement.  I wonder how much that little bathroom window costs?
Title: Re: Bathroom Window Info Needed
Post by: Caflashbob on August 22, 2016, 09:16:57 pm
If you have a propane heater in your 295 heavy condensation can drip down the wall.

Most old Foretravels had stains down the wall below the Windows.

None on aquahot
Title: Re: Bathroom Window Info Needed
Post by: amos.harrison on August 23, 2016, 07:03:21 am
I had that problem with my bathroom window.  I got a new seal from Xtreme before I found that the source of the leak was not the window but the Fantastic vent in the ceiling.  I re-sealed it and the window problem was solved.
Title: Re: Bathroom Window Info Needed
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on August 23, 2016, 02:18:14 pm
I had that problem with my bathroom window.  I got a new seal from Xtreme before I found that the source of the leak was not the window but the Fantastic vent in the ceiling.  I re-sealed it and the window problem was solved.

Amos, how did you determine that it was the Fantastic vent?

I removed the inside trim piece earlier this morning and there is no evidence of water intrusion in the window cut-out. I can see what I believe is a foam D seal,  and after pouring water everywhere on the outside of the window I can't make it leak. I even rapidly filled the outside channel but it drained as it should without overflowing. 

There are two screws at the bottom of the trim
that have seen work before,  one having the  head so stripped that I had to drill it off, leaving the threads in the window.  The other one was a re-drill with the original threads in the window and a new hole beside it.  Both had indications of rust.  I looked carefully and could see that both screws had perforated the inner channel, but the only way water could  enter through those holes would be if the inner channel had water in it, and it didn't,  during the rain or during testing.

I find it hard to believe that it leaked at all, because there are no water marks,  nor moisture anywhere. I'm curious to know how the vent could leak and let water go down the inside of the wall and exit beneath the window trim. It would seem that it would first drip out of the cover for the conduit/framework that's located where the wall meets the ceiling........ not that I doubt what Amos said,  just curious.

I don't want to completely remove the window here in the campground but plan to when we get home next week.

Right now I'm going to hook up the hose and spray the window real well,  then get up on the roof and spray the vent to see if I can make the leak recur.  I will report back with my findings.



Title: Re: Bathroom Window Leaking?
Post by: amos.harrison on August 24, 2016, 06:46:06 am
I looked everywhere for a water entry point.  I found sealant over the vent attachment screws cracking and lifting.  I scraped off cracked and loose sealant and re-applied.  That solved my bath window leak.
Title: Re: Bathroom Window Leaking?
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on August 24, 2016, 09:26:55 am
I spent a few hours yesterday with hose and spray nozzle, first spraying the window and adjacent running light, then the Fantastic vent, and could not make the leak recur.

I looked inside the window opening on the top and two sides with a high-power flashlight and saw no evidence of water intrusion.  But because the window itself sits on the bottom of the opening I couldn't see in there.  When I get home I'll take the window out and have a look. In the meantime I'll put some lap sealant on all the vent screw heads
as Amos suggested.

I talked to parts at FOT and was told that Peninsula Glass in Washington state is remaking the Creation windows, which this coach has,  and they even gave me both the phone and part numbers. Kudos to Tim Fiedler and FOT.

If anyone is interested;
Peninsula Glass
1-800-468-4323  X204
MotionWindows.com - Peninsula Glass Company (http://www.peninsulaglass.com/motionwindows-com/)