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Title: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 25, 2016, 12:50:18 pm
My 95 u240 is now using more oil. The engine can be sleeved/bored to repair damage, but must be done in machine shop. How can the cat 3116 engine be remove from the MH for overhaul?
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on August 25, 2016, 12:56:07 pm
My 95 u240 is now using more oil. The engine can be sleeved/bored to repair damage, but must be done in machine shop. How can the cat 3116 engine be remove from the MH for overhaul?
Pat,
Some have found that the cylinders can be done in frame if memory serves me
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John44 on August 25, 2016, 01:11:15 pm
The 3116 is a linered engine,you remove the old liners and put new ones in along with new pistons and rings,and a new head. Have you priced a cat reman block?
If doing it yourself could probably rent a forklift.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on August 25, 2016, 01:11:25 pm
Correct.
I have seen it done (boring and sleeving) at Mustang Caterpillar in Houston. An outside vendor did it in their shop-- that is all the vendor does for a living.
If your Caterpillar dealer is not familiar with it, call Mustang Caterpillar: (713) 861-0777.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on August 25, 2016, 01:12:25 pm
The 3116 is a linered engine,you remove the old liners and put new ones in along with new pistons and rings,and a new head. Have you priced a cat reman block?
If doing it yourself could probably rent a forklift.
No, the Caterpillar 3116, just like the 3126 is NOT a liner engine. It is a parent bore engine.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 25, 2016, 01:18:44 pm
I agree with wolfe, the 3116 is a parent bore engine. I need help on getting the engine out of MH.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on August 25, 2016, 01:20:43 pm
NO, only the head has to come off, assuming you can drop the pan to remove the rods/pistons. I observed it being done "in frame" at Mustang Caterpillar.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on August 25, 2016, 01:31:57 pm
Yikes! Is my pic like yours with side radiator like ours? It won't come out the stern without major, major body removal + frame rail. What happened to a usually bullet-proof engine? If it HAS to come out, from under looks like the only way. I'd be thinking, (unless you are a CAT mechanic) of finding another opinion, there are other reasons for oil consumption (bad turbo, for instance). What's the mileage and what oil & have oil changes (+ filters) been done on time? Does she smoke, what color? I if it is rings, tearing out the bed housing should work from above, and bearings can be done from below. I don't think ours has sleeves. Again, mileage and history of service would most certainly be of interest to we CAT 3116 owners. ^.^d
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on August 25, 2016, 02:23:59 pm
I am all for opinions on non-factual subjects.
BUT, whether a particular engine is a parent bore or linered, is a FACT.
The 3116 is a parent bore engine. Yes, it can be bored and sleeved.
Contrary to popular belief, "an opinion expressed strongly enough (especially on the internet) does NOT overcome FACTS.
And as Mike asked, please give us particulars on what happened/caused the issue. Particularly after you tear into it to determine exactly what failed.
But, at 21+ years old, many times it is difficult to know its "care and feeding" since new. Was it ever severely overheated? Air filter neglected and ate some dust, etc. There are a number of causes of engine failure.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: saddlesore on August 25, 2016, 02:34:07 pm
Hmmm......... put on lift and pull all accessory parts off sides of engine,then mounts and cross member and do a plop & drop out the bottom?? like a VW
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: krush on August 25, 2016, 02:40:52 pm
The way to remove the engines on these RV's is to drop it out the bottom--unless you want to cut out cross members and slide it out the rear.
It's very simple, drop engine down to floor, and then lift the RV up using wheel lifts around it.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John44 on August 25, 2016, 02:58:33 pm
I stand corrected.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: its toby on August 25, 2016, 03:18:03 pm
Yes find a pit drop engine down roll bus ahead and hoist the engine out.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 25, 2016, 03:21:59 pm
Thanks for all the responses, and so quick. For the background of this issue/problem read the topic I started a year ago
Topic: Cat 3116 Excessive Oil Consumption by pthurman48.
I got it hot(temp and tranny alarms went off, engine temp was about 240) one time due to uphill grades, pulled over and let cool off and continued on to Myrtle Beach with no other problems.
an update to the last thread is
went to Ogden Utah on July 2, 2016 thru CO and WY, came home thru Moab,UT and Albuquerque,NM and home to Lufkin,TX. All the way I used a gallon a day(about 350-400 miles/day) same since problem started. Last 2 days coming home used 2 gallons a day of oil. The oil pressure also dropped off by about 8-10 lbs. I ran in 5th(2200 rpm@60mph) a lot of the time due to heating and or hills.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 25, 2016, 03:27:30 pm
Still no smoke anytime, no leaks, runs good, just lower oil pressure and more consumption.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on August 25, 2016, 03:32:33 pm
Had a customer put two liners in his in separate repairs.
In frame
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John and Stacey on August 25, 2016, 03:35:27 pm
What is the proper oil pressure for a 3126??...I am at 35psi
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 25, 2016, 03:44:04 pm
Just checked for oil in the diesel, there was none in it, diesel was clear and slight green color. I also took the outlet(cool side) of the turbo off and checked for oil in turbo, it was clear and dry, no oil.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on August 25, 2016, 03:45:49 pm
mine is a 95 with a large opening on rear, no bumper. you can read the last thread about Topic: Cat 3116 Excessive Oil Consumption pthurman48
Can't read the link, but i'm still thinking turbo seals are leaking by, causing what appears to be a serious oil loss and gauge indicating low psi. With the rear exhausts we have, you might not even notice that she's smoking. Two gallons a day has "turbo" written all over it.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 25, 2016, 03:46:57 pm
my 3116 oil pressure at 60mph@1900rpm running 6th gear, normal temps(182-195) is 39-40lbs.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on August 25, 2016, 03:49:08 pm
My guy mentioned the oil control ring losing tension.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 25, 2016, 03:49:51 pm
I can see the exhaust well, it will smoke(black) while running slow in higher gear with light throttle., but at any other time I don't even get that smoke. Oil smoke is white, I never get that.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 25, 2016, 03:51:22 pm
My guy mentioned the oil control ring losing tension.
I only hope that is the problem, I hate to think that it is broken and scoring the walls.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on August 25, 2016, 03:53:31 pm
Same oil consumption issue. Cylinders were out of round also if memory serves me. Two liners installed
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on August 25, 2016, 03:55:24 pm
If compression ring(s) are bad and/or cylinder(s) are scored, you will have a LOT of blowby (1" ID hose on passenger's side below engine.
Do you have a lot of blow by?
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 25, 2016, 04:00:31 pm
Blow by is normal.
I was worried that oil rings broken and scoring the walls not the compression rings.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John and Stacey on August 25, 2016, 04:07:27 pm
The blow by from my CAT keeps the Hydraulic pump lubed and puts a nice protective coating on rear horiz frame tubing. Leave it to CAT to think of everything.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on August 25, 2016, 04:11:11 pm
John,
With that much oil in the blow by, have you calibrated the engine oil dipstick. Overfilling the crankcase is the #1 cause of excessive oil from the crankcase breather tube.
What is your engine serial number prefix? I should be able to look up the correct oil capacity for your engine.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John and Stacey on August 25, 2016, 04:18:18 pm
I will get that to you. Thanks
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on August 25, 2016, 04:19:18 pm
You'll never see blow by either visually or from the "slobber tube" in most cases, since it can only be looked at when parked. I'd still like to know the mileage and service records. Something is very wrong here, and, so far, I'm freaked out about the oil consumption. Heck, I've had worn out stuff, burned a quart a week, big deal. Two gallons is a "BIG DEAL".
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on August 25, 2016, 04:31:01 pm
Indeed, if compression is getting by the pistons/rings, you will be able to feel excessive blow by from the crankcase breather tube (AKA slobber tube).
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 25, 2016, 04:49:12 pm
I pushed a paper towel into the crankcase breather tube (AKA slobber tube) and this is what the paper towel looks like. No oil just oily dry dirt.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: stump on August 25, 2016, 05:14:07 pm
Any oil in your air system wet tank?
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on August 25, 2016, 05:14:30 pm
Yup, that is what any pre 2007 diesel's crankcase breather hose will look like. Starting in 2007 they are closed crankcase (like cars have been for a LONG time). Yup, much easier to have a closed system when there is a vacuum to pull it in (gas engine).
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 25, 2016, 05:38:24 pm
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: stump on August 25, 2016, 05:46:35 pm
With engine warmed up and running take off oil filler cap see if you feel a lot of blowby out of it. It seems if it's using that much in such low miles either you would see it in the exhaust. Is the exhaust pipe dry sooty or wet sooty,gooey paste etc.shout be dry sooty,try look at muffler see if it has any oil oozing on the seams.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Hammer2100 on August 25, 2016, 06:39:35 pm
One thing to look at on some Cats is bad injector or seals. It depends on SER#. They send oil back to tank. Also cracked passages in head. No leaks, no smoke, this can be done in chassis. Just a thought Mark C.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 25, 2016, 06:59:45 pm
With engine warmed up and running take off oil filler cap see if you feel a lot of blowby out of it. It seems if it's using that much in such low miles either you would see it in the exhaust. Is the exhaust pipe dry sooty or wet sooty,gooey paste etc.shout be dry sooty,try look at muffler see if it has any oil oozing on the seams.
Blowby is nominal/normal/some, but not bad. The pics in previous post shows blowby pipe normal also. NO smoke ever. Exhaust pipe dry black sooty.
The fuel in tank is clean,clear, slight green color, no oil in it.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: craneman on August 25, 2016, 07:47:49 pm
I have read all your posts on this including last years. The last trip where you were running 2200 rpm probably caused the increase in oil consumption and the heat made the oil pressure drop. If the oil pressure has returned to normal now and oil consumption is back to 1 gal. 450 to 500 mi. My suggestion would be to do the math and Delo 15x40 less than $13 per gal at Walmart would be compared to the price of the overhaul. How many trips would it take to break even doing the repair? You have stated everything else checks out good, so worn cylinders and rings are all that is left. Eliminate injectors on your engine as a oil consumption problem, that is on later engines. If the oil price is way less than the repair, use it until it gets bad enough to smoke or have other issues.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: stump on August 25, 2016, 07:53:28 pm
You might also try adding some Lucas Oil Treatment. My generator was smoking quite a bit and last oil change I added a quart to the engine and it tightened it up no more smoke and actually runs smoother.Cheaper than a inframe.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Bill Willett on August 25, 2016, 08:46:23 pm
If this was my coach, the first thing I would do is take it to a good Cat shop and have them run a leak down test,this will tell you the condition of each cylinder.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John Haygarth on August 25, 2016, 10:07:55 pm
But Bill that is too easy to do and takes away the guessing game!!! I had another idea but the moderator would have nixxed it ( I think) JohnH
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: krush on August 25, 2016, 10:16:14 pm
If you are using a lot of oil, trying running a slightly lower oil level on the dipstick......
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on August 26, 2016, 03:18:00 am
Vague memory of my customer running a lower oil level
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on August 26, 2016, 08:32:06 am
Indeed, overfill the crankcase and it will "use" oil.
Correct capacity for the 3116 (at least the 1993) is 21 qts including oil filter (i.e. total oil used at oil and filter change).
Remember, Caterpillar did NOT supply the dip stick. Have you calibrated it?
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 26, 2016, 09:18:29 am
A year ago I took the MH to HOLT CAT in longview,tx. After a day of working on it, they said they would have to take it father apart to determine the cause of the oil consumption(at that time 1qt/100miles).
A year ago I/we went through all the things about the problem. That stuff is all covered in the thread "Topic: Cat 3116 Excessive Oil Consumption" by pthurman48. Please read first.
Wolfe: I have went through the dip stick thing several times, that is not the problem.
I now don't care about the cause of the oil consumption.
Back on topic, I want to know how to remove the engine from the MH. I was thinking that if the MH is on the jacks and raised as high as possible, the engine would be at the same height(the jacks raise the MH not the engine). Could that help create space to slide engine out the rear? What if you pull the head off first. What about cutting the load level ball type hitch out?
Thanks for all the help, keep it coming
Pat
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: stump on August 26, 2016, 09:26:08 am
Maybe you could rent something like this Wheel Jacks (http://www.emersonjacks.com/emersonwheeljacks.html)
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 26, 2016, 09:31:09 am
Maybe you could rent something like this Wheel Jacks (http://www.emersonjacks.com/emersonwheeljacks.html)
sure could make trying dropping out bottom possible. engine would have to be on rollers to get out from under the MH.
ideas!!
Pat
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: krush on August 26, 2016, 09:51:08 am
The only reasonable way to remove the engine is to take it out the bottom.
I removed one out the back, but the RV was getting scrapped and lots of metal was cut.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: stump on August 26, 2016, 10:00:37 am
You could build a metal cradle that the block could sit in lower the Cradle down on two three or four sections of pipe lift the couch up high enough and then using the pipe as rollers rolling out the back removing a piece of pipe as it clears the cradle and put it on the other end till engine is clear for bus
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Old phart phred on August 26, 2016, 07:36:47 pm
Dig a hole at edge of pavement, drop motor into hole and move coach forward.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: craneman on August 26, 2016, 08:04:28 pm
This was Brett's suggestion, think about it, getting that engine out is a nightmare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXZNalT3gPY
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on August 27, 2016, 12:18:47 pm
Having a CAT 3116, one can imagine my interest in this thread, especially being full-time! We've had ours two years, put 2K on and have burned not a drop of oil, psi is 55, depending. She has 170K, my point being: I am blessed to have logs going back to '96 (when she had 11K), always ran Delo, and know when regular oil changes/ filters were done. My un-answered question to the OP is "what's the current mileage & is there a record of oil changes/filters." I looked in the stern bedroom again, just now and determined, once I could get the DWs collection of "stuff" out of the way, even if the electrical panels had to be removed, the engine is RIGHT THERE! Granted, the head will have to come off, but then a good look can be taken + the turbo can be removed and checked. Something, after thirty years of working on towboat engines, doth not feel right about this. :'(
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on August 28, 2016, 10:05:56 am
Having a CAT 3116, one can imagine my interest in this thread, especially being full-time! We've had ours two years, put 2K on and have burned not a drop of oil, psi is 55, depending. She has 170K, my point being: I am blessed to have logs going back to '96 (when she had 11K), always ran Delo, and know when regular oil changes/ filters were done. My un-answered question to the OP is "what's the current mileage & is there a record of oil changes/filters." I looked in the stern bedroom again, just now and determined, once I could get the DWs collection of "stuff" out of the way, even if the electrical panels had to be removed, the engine is RIGHT THERE! Granted, the head will have to come off, but then a good look can be taken + the turbo can be removed and checked. Something, after thirty years of working on towboat engines, doth not feel right about this. :'(
I got the 95 u240 when it had 80K miles. No knowledge before that time. At that time it used 1-2qts. per tank full of diesel. I have done all the maintenance on the MH. I have changed the oil and filter every 6K miles. I have always ran delo oil. Oil pressure has always been 38-40lbs. at 1900rpm running 60mph in 6th gear. I did get it hot one time(maybe 240) warning lights and buzzer went off. Stopped and idled, it cooled down and we went on. For the past year or 2, oil consumption went up to 1qts per 100miles. On last trip oil consumption went up to 2+ qts per 100 miles. Current mileage is 144k.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on August 28, 2016, 10:19:13 am
Once the head comes off, you'll (and us, hopefully) will know more about this on going problem. Some diesels gobble oil, but CATs don't. I would not pull that engine, I'd say whomever suggested it had "Lazy Mechanics Syndrome". Stay in touch, good luck. ^.^d
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 28, 2016, 10:21:16 am
Starting to sound like rings not seated. Wondering how many miles on the engine. If there is no leaks, no visible blue smoke, just using oil, I would treat it like it had glazed cylinder walls.of course I could have missed something. Have had-seen a few engines described like yours, easy cheap fix.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Dave M (RIP) on August 28, 2016, 11:28:35 pm
When was it discovered the cylinder/s were damaged ? Have not read where the head had been removed for inspection nor bore scoped, Guess I missed that posting or is it assumed the cylinder/s are needing repair ? Thanks
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on September 14, 2016, 09:10:59 pm
Today my mechanic took the exhaust manifold off. The #5 cylinder is the only one pumping the oil. Since the engine is parent bore, it must come out to be repaired. He says he can lift the MH by the wheels/tires and drop the engine out the bottom. He also said that he may have to take the tranny out first and then the engine. Now I need to figure out which is best buy a long block or have mine machined and them new parts. I will have to pay sales tax on anything(labor, machine, parts) bought local, but anything bought out of state over Inet will be no tax. One thing is freight to ship to me. I only have one local machine shop or go to Houston,tx(150miles south, shipping cost). I don't know. What ya'll think???
Pat
The silver lining is I am about to get a new/reman engine for my Blue Angle.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: craneman on September 14, 2016, 09:25:17 pm
Today my mechanic took the exhaust manifold off. The #5 cylinder is the only one pumping the oil. Since the engine is parent bore, it must come out to be repaired. He says he can lift the MH by the wheels/tires and drop the engine out the bottom. He also said that he may have to take the tranny out first and then the engine. Now I need to figure out which is best buy a long block or have mine machined and them new parts. I will have to pay sales tax on anything(labor, machine, parts) bought local, but anything bought out of state over Inet will be no tax. One thing is freight to ship to me. I only have one local machine shop or go to Houston,tx(150miles south, shipping cost). I don't know. What ya'll think???
Pat
The silver lining is I am about to get a new/reman engine for my Blue Angle.
Just one cylinder very possible a valve guide failed. I tore apart a DT 466 because of excessive oil consumption, only to find out it was just one bad valve guide. I could wiggle the valve back in forth using the retainer.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on September 14, 2016, 09:27:46 pm
Pat,
Will say it only one more time-- there is a mobile guy who can bore and insert a liner WITH THE ENGINE IN PLACE.
Contact Mustang in Houston for details on who it is-- they sublet to him.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John44 on September 14, 2016, 10:12:33 pm
Put the exhaust manifold back on,take the valve cover off and start the engine and watch number 5 valves closely.Sounds like all you determined is number 5 cyl using the oil,you still don't know for sure if it is the rings or the valve guides but your ready to get a new engine.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on September 14, 2016, 10:35:09 pm
Will say it only one more time-- there is a mobile guy who can bore and insert a liner WITH THE ENGINE IN PLACE.
Contact Mustang in Houston for details on who it is-- they sublet to him.
My buddy did an in frame also
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Old phart phred on September 14, 2016, 11:01:51 pm
One cylinder may not constitute throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Further investigation may be the best option. Maybe filling the cylinder with diesel reinstall injector and carefully manually compressing the piston to determine what's leaking. But be sure to get as much diesel out after testing to prevent hydrolocking. Could be broken ring, stuck ring, or valve guides. Stuck ring or valve guides may be economically fixed. JMO. Oh yeah switch to rotella T6, a favorite of crotch rocket owners whose bikes will last 100k with the engine spinning at 8000 rpm plus. Your engine is just getting "broken in"
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: stump on September 15, 2016, 04:47:00 am
If I saw a lot of oil on just thst cylinder,my next step would be pull the intake and look for signs of oil or pull the head and focus on#5 valve guide condition or crack. With head off cylinder csn be inspected and delved into farther uf needed.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Hammer2100 on September 15, 2016, 07:06:22 am
Why not remove cylinder head, drop oil pan and punch out the piston. Mic the cyl & piston. Sounds like the mechanic wants the labor to R&R the engine & trans. Doesn't want the responsibility of the in-frame. In fact a good re builder will demand a complete teardown & inspection. Re-bore all 6 Cyl, deck block surface, linebore, new cam bearings, new piston bearings, rebuild the cylinder head, new oil pump, and the list goes on, because they will have to write up a warranty for 6 six months or 6000 miles, or what ever, to make someone feel good about all the money they are spending. Take out the piston and see what is wrong! Cylinder may not be bad.
Sorry about the rant just I've been rebuilding engines for 40 Years. the right way.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on September 15, 2016, 09:39:30 am
My buddy did have to redo another cylinder later in frame.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Bill Willett on September 15, 2016, 10:16:52 am
My buddy did have to redo another cylinder later in frame.
Why would anyone do an in frame and not do all the cylinder's, it sounds like he or the one doing the work did not know what they were doing.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on September 15, 2016, 07:51:04 pm
Thanks for all the responses.
The engine has been using 1qts./100miles for about a year and a half. On the trip trip back from Ogden,Utah the oil consumption went to 3qts/100miles. I had to run the kittyCat hard on the Utah trip and it was hot. The kittyCat temp never ran over 210 deg. Something has gone wrong, at $85 hour you can spend a lot of money looking/dianosis. The oil is being burnt. The mechanic is willing to do what ever I want. If you take the head off and still have to pull the engine, is there any gain??? I am like the mechanic , I don't want to just bore/fix one cylinder just to have another go bad later and have twice the labor and sales tax(8.25%).
The mechanic did check the values guides and seals, no problem there.
Thanks Wolfe, I will check with Mustang Cat in Houston about the inframe bore/liner work. I still would have all 6 cylinders bored.
I wounder if he uses a torque plate to do boring?? I have read that if the machine shop does not use one that you can get a bad bore job.
I am not sure how good the local machine shop is on doing cat 3116 jobs!!! I may want to go with a reman unit from diesel engine builders.
If all things are local, the sales tax could be $1000. I would like to avoid as much tax as I can.
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on September 15, 2016, 08:56:07 pm
O.K., I know nothing (even though I've worked on diesels from towboats on down for thirty years), but something still bothers me about what all the" mechanics" have said. Those are great engines, my favorite. and I had the choice when I bought this coach. Not to trash any mechanic, but have all the below done by people who JUST do this stuff. Pull the head, have it gone through, as others have posted, it could be something simple like a valve stem. I would not think its the pump, but might as well send that in, as well, it's a cheap time to have it checked ( a lot of shops don't know if it's turbo, or not, tell them). Have the injectors sent in for cleaning. Now, you're at "the bottom of the barrel", you can see the jugs, look for scoring, oil, they should look like you could eat off them. I know I've had a lot of naysayers, but it still could be the turbo, I'd pull that and have it looked at, as well. Good news? You've got a fresh top end, which will go forever. Bad news?, Bottom end problems, big time, which I still don't think is the problem.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John Haygarth on September 16, 2016, 12:39:15 am
quote"If all things are local, the sales tax could be $1000. I would like to avoid as much tax as I can."
Sorry to be so sharp but I thought the exercise was to fix the problem, taxes are something that just happen to be there all the time??? If we did not pay taxes there would be no money for roads, etc etc etc My thoughts would be in your position that I want it fixed (without being gouged) and the rest is the way it is. JohnH
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on September 16, 2016, 09:03:20 am
I am one for saving/DIY any time I can. I am retired 5 yrs. checks stay the same and everything else goes up. I agree JohnH I want the kittyCat fixed. If it was smoking, I would have tried to fix the problem when it started using 1 qts/100miles over a year ago. Looks like the only way I can save a little on the deal is for me to buy(over the Inet) parts.
Calling Mustang Cat in Houston now. Let you know about the inframe boring.
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on September 16, 2016, 09:19:17 am
Well calling Mustang Cat in Houston did not help at all. Never heard of process or person. Still lookin
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John and Stacey on September 16, 2016, 09:24:10 am
I called them last week, same thing. John
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on September 16, 2016, 09:40:56 am
I have found a machine shop in
Haas Machine Co. 4326 Bishop Lane Louisville, Ky 40218 P: 502-456-1132
They can do the inframe boring, but only travel 250miles radius. More info when they call me back.
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on September 16, 2016, 09:45:42 am
This is the shops web site Haas Machine Co. (http://www.haasmachinecompany.com/shop_services.htm)
Lots of pics,
Pat
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: craneman on September 16, 2016, 12:28:52 pm
At this point If it were mine, I would pull the head and see what is going on. If you don't have badly worn cylinders, hone and re-ring. If the cylinders are bad the head was going to come off anyway whether you did an in frame or exchange.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on September 16, 2016, 12:51:37 pm
X2 Crane....The top end will have to come off anyway, and be inspected, that's the first order of business (after the turbo). I, for one,would sure want to kick the mechanic's rear if the engine had been removed and something simple was discovered, too late. :-[
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on September 16, 2016, 01:00:57 pm
I talked with Tim Haas owner of Haas Machine Co. just now. Too far to come and do the inframe job. He did say he would check with another friend in Ft Worth,Tx about doing it. If the job was within 100 miles or so, the job including 6 sleeves would be $2500.00 Nice man and very helpful
I talked with Tim Haas owner of Haas Machine Co. just now. Too far to come and do the inframe job. He did say he would check with another friend in Ft Worth,Tx about doing it. If the job was within 100 miles or so, the job including 6 sleeves would be $2500.00 Nice man and very helpful
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John Haygarth on September 16, 2016, 02:26:51 pm
Can I make a silly question? Why not drive coach there (or close enough for them to do it)?? JohnH
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on September 16, 2016, 02:33:58 pm
It's not a silly question, and maybe a good idea. John, you've had a CAT 3116, any such "oil guzzle" problems?
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John Haygarth on September 16, 2016, 02:40:00 pm
none and my Brothers coach has that engine and no oil burning/loss either. I think the IRS is stealing the oil as a payback for not paying tax's?? ^.^d JohnH
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Geoffh on September 16, 2016, 03:49:16 pm
I remember that Ed ,the previous owner, had paid out a large sum of money on this engine. I checked the notes he gave me and back in Sept 2003 , engine hrs - 2517 and 113,491 miles he put in : New engine block New head New turbo Water pump oil pump Engine breather Regulator. I don't know what had happened to cause all this work and the file with the CB$ is in the GV so this weekend I will look the cost up. I do know that I now have a better age engine in my 1994 GV.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on September 16, 2016, 09:41:59 pm
Steve light rolled the dice. Lots more money to do all. $600 each? Long ago memory
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on September 18, 2016, 09:15:39 am
none and my Brothers coach has that engine and no oil burning/loss either. I think the IRS is stealing the oil as a payback for not paying tax's?? ^.^d JohnH
Hea JohnH, My brother also has a 93 U-240 with the cat 3116 and we travel together all the time. On the last trip to Colorado, I used 1 qts/100 miles and his did not use any on the whole trip there and back.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on September 18, 2016, 09:31:40 am
I have found all kinds of options for this problem. Most of them cost about the same amount. Long Blocks for 6600-7900 plus 400-500 shipping. Complete new military(24 volt) engine 8500 plus 500 shipping. Cat new engine 11,900 plus 500 shipping. Short blocks 6900 plus 400 shipping. Local machine shop 1500 plus 2500 parts. All options have about 6000 labor to disassemble/reassemble and remove/install. Their may be more I have not found. Shipping and tax make a lot of difference.
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John44 on September 18, 2016, 10:20:55 am
After 4 pages of posts were still at the begining as to what exactly the problem is.Beg or borrow a borescope and look at each cylinder,you can look all the way down and see what the sides look like.Have you looked at both ends of the turbo?
If you can't do all the work yourself advertise on craiglist for a mechanic to come and do the work and interview him.There are many out there layed off from the oilfield,you won't get the "craigslist killer".
Your going thru the 2 to 3 quarts every 100 miles,the oil is being burned thru the rings or thru valve guides.Take a compression test with and without extra oil in each cyl and note the difference,that may tell exactly where the problem is.
Again,take the valve cover off and run engine and see how the number 5 looks,oil will not splash everywhere.These are things that won't cost much and may save alot.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Geoffh on September 18, 2016, 02:36:11 pm
I remember that Ed ,the previous owner, had paid out a large sum of money on this engine. I checked the notes he gave me and back in Sept 2003 , engine hrs - 2517 and 113,491 miles he put in : New engine block New head New turbo Water pump oil pump Engine breather Regulator. I don't know what had happened to cause all this work and the file with the CB$ is in the GV so this weekend I will look the cost up. I do know that I now have a better age engine in my 1994 GV.
I posted this 2 days ago, I looked thru the library of bills and found that the work was carried out in Sept 2003, the invoices for this work amounted to $10,959 plus he paid an additional $500 for optional insurance policy. This was an in frame repair job
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on September 19, 2016, 10:48:17 am
Good Work Geoff,
Thank you so much for your response and time/research on this.
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on September 19, 2016, 11:01:26 am
After duplicate repairs ,if it were mine , I would explore what it would take to install steel dry liners in the block. I do them in my dirt bike engines. Does require additional piston to cylinder clearances although.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on September 19, 2016, 11:14:25 am
The turbo has been checked on both sides several times by multipul people. It is clean. There is no doubt that the oil is going thru and being burnt by #5. The mechanic has removed the value cover and checked the value guides and seals and feels that the problem is not in the head. The value guides and seals were also checked by Holt Cat a year ago and they said the problem was not in the head. At this point with that much oil consumption, the engine must come out to repair/replace. The mechanic said that the least amount of labor is complete engine, then long block, then short block. He will go any way I want to do it. So jugglin the numbers and with what Geoff found, it going to cost from 10K-15K dollars. About what I was told a year ago at Holt Cat.
Please consider this:
I found a NEW(93) military Cat 3116 here (http://www.jjrebuilders.com/engine-for-sale/?vid=1224&unit=cat-3116) for $8500 plus $500 shipping to my mechanic. No tax. No Core, I still have my complete engine less a few items, plus a 24V starter and alternator, maybe other items left over for sale. I will have removal and installation labor. Lets talk about what could go wrong with this solution.
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on September 19, 2016, 11:22:49 am
I do know that I now have a better age engine in my 1994 GV.
Better? I'd say you have a fresh engine! I have never heard of a CAT failing so completely, but as my Grandfather used to say with his beloved Studebakers, "Buy a rig that was made on a Wednesday, Mondays the crew has hangovers, and Friday they're looking forward to starting all over".
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John44 on September 19, 2016, 11:23:47 am
All I can add is make sure its the exact same and find out how long its been sitting.What is different from the military as opposed to non-military?
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John Haygarth on September 19, 2016, 11:51:48 am
The military engine sounds like a bugle when running. >:D How do they call that a "new" engine when it is has obviously been running for a long time judging by the burnt paint around it?? JohnH
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on September 19, 2016, 11:55:32 am
All I can add is make sure its the exact same and find out how long its been sitting.What is different from the military as opposed to non-military?
A lot of stationary (military?) engines were not turbo-charged. Even if it was, and has been sitting for a while, the seals in the turbo are shot (I know this, first-hand), and who knows what other seals are shot? Before we all burn-out (pun intended) on this thread, as many have said already, that head should go to a shop that does JUST that kind of work!
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on September 19, 2016, 12:03:14 pm
If it were mine which it is not I would not hesitate to put steel dry liners into it.
My take on this is the cylinders come out of round after use. Lose ring seal.
Measure #5. Bore gauge it.
If it's ovalized and tapered the cylinders metal is not strong enough in my unexpert opinion.
A 2mm thick steel sleeve I think was Steve lights fix. Do all six and you COULD be done forever.
No way I would redo it the same or buy new of the same.
Too much money for 80k miles use. I fix things.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on September 19, 2016, 12:40:50 pm
I just looked close at that link, and looked at ours. ALL DIFFERENT! The ancillary connections are not where ours are. I'm going to assume you have a CAT 3116 ATAAC 250 H.P. like ours. If the engine came out of a FT, that would be one thing, but some mechanic is going to go nuts trying to retro that engine to FT install specs! PASS, run, don't walk, from that engine! If you really love the coach, I'd buy a couple of cases of Delo and take it down to the "Nacogdochians". ^.^d
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: RvTrvlr on September 19, 2016, 01:41:15 pm
That military engine is probably 24v electronics. The engine pictures isnt new at all. it is filthy, the exhaust manifold has enough rust on it to make me believe it has 2000 hours on it. Stick with rebuilding what you have. you'll be better off. I'd even considering driving it to one of these shops familiar with doing an in frame on it.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on September 24, 2016, 06:34:50 pm
Good Evening all,
Well now the mechanic says he CANNOT remove the engine with out cutting heavy medal. He got a guy(friend) that works on rvs at one of the local places. That guy also said that the engine will not come out with out major cutting. So now I am back to in-frame overhaul again, and after 2 days of looking for someone to do the boring, I have found a guy in Pasadena,Tx. He will travel to lufkin from pasadena and when finished the cylinders will be standard and ready to receive the pistons. I am hopeful again.
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John44 on September 24, 2016, 08:37:24 pm
Sounds like that may be your best bet,one more piece of advice,do NOT use parts other then genuine cat parts have seen most of them and they are junk.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on October 07, 2016, 02:53:30 pm
Am I missing something? Since it's the same lash-up as we have , I'm interested in what happened. AND, since so many members offered help, I'd be thinking a note from the OP on what the deal was, would be appropriate, to say the least! End of rant.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on October 07, 2016, 08:37:04 pm
Am I missing something? Since it's the same lash-up as we have , I'm interested in what happened. AND, since so many members offered help, I'd be thinking a note from the OP on what the deal was, would be appropriate, to say the least! End of rant.
Evening Mike, Things have been moving slow for me, but today they got the head off. The pics are not good. Cylinders 1, 2, 3 all look good, but 4,5,6 have been burning oil, and on number six you can see some scoring. The other two look good.
I am not sure of the schedule, but now remove the pistons, rods, and crank. The in-frame cylinder boring will be done by a guy in pasadena, tx(porta-bore machine). Then put it back together with new oil pump and rebuild of my head.
Sounds good to me. More to come.
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on October 07, 2016, 09:01:41 pm
Pat,
Thanks for the update. Suspect it will be quite a lot less $$ than a new engine and moving all the accessories.
Any idea what caused such severe scoring-- unusual for any engine?
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on October 07, 2016, 09:53:33 pm
wolfe, The only thing I have done to abuse the engine is a couple of years ago on the way from Lufkin,tx to myrtle beach. The buzzers went off(engine temp and tranny temp). There was a few hills in a row. I pulled over and it cooled down and I went on. I still would like to know what happened on the way home in July. I don't think the scoring can cause 3 qts/100 miles oil consumption. They are looking at the head.
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on October 07, 2016, 11:53:37 pm
Bore gauge the cylinders.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on October 08, 2016, 09:47:20 am
I am doing a in-frame overhaul, bore cylinders and install new sleeves(all 6 back to standard), rods, mains, rebuild my head. I am still unsure of what is causing the oil consumption. The scoring on the cylinder 6 does not seam bad to me and I see no scoring on 4 & 5. What happened to make the big change in oil consumption, going from 1qt./100miles to 3qt./100miles? I can't see it!! ???
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: its toby on October 08, 2016, 09:57:16 am
I take side of the head was dry no oil correct? No sign of head gasket leakage? Could be a head issue.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on October 08, 2016, 11:03:24 am
While you have it off/loose, I would check exhaust manifold for any warpage and likely surface it.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John44 on October 08, 2016, 11:15:55 am
What I can tell from all the posts is,assuming the engine was put together correctly to begin with (last overhaul),is that the overheating caused the problem,unless the head rebuilder finds something.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on October 08, 2016, 11:34:03 am
I like the sleeve install.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: NancyS on October 08, 2016, 11:43:26 am
While this puppy was still running did you check the crankcase pressure? strange things happen when there is excessive pressure there.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: oldguy on October 08, 2016, 12:05:10 pm
When you get the pistons out you may find the rings are shot, that is probably what cause your oil consumption going up. The scoring could be caused by broken rings.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: oldguy on October 08, 2016, 12:21:54 pm
Looking at your pictures it looks like to me that they are wet liners which means they are removable. I thought all Cat engines had wet liners except the 3208 engine. Good luck with it.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on October 08, 2016, 12:31:34 pm
No, the Caterpillar 3116 is a parent bore, not linered engine. But as is being discussed here, it can be bored and liners installed aftermarket as a repair.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on October 08, 2016, 01:20:09 pm
Thanks, Pat. We're all sitting around the campfire rooting for you! ^.^d I can see the scoring, the jugs and the tops of the pistons should be clean enough to eat off of. Sometimes, a "hone" is all that's needed to clean it up, plus fresh rings. You're that far, so have the rod & main bearings measured. Have a "qualified" shop check the head before you get too carried away, prolly time for a valve adjustment, anyway. You're torn down, have the pump checked and adjusted for a turbo, as well as the injectors being cleaned/replaced. I know, you'll all laugh, but that turbo still sticks in my craw, as long as CBs are going out the window, have an outlet at least check the seals, were it me, I'd throw a fresh turbo in. Whew! Crap happens, but you are going to have a fresh engine to brag about!
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on October 11, 2016, 11:47:09 am
Update from mechanic, The head is off and on the way to rebuild shop. No problems found with it.
The mechanic is waiting on machine shop to measure the cylinders. He has access to aftermarket pistons that are .020 & .030 oversize which would be less costly due to not having to bore and sleeve the engine. When the oversize is know then he can take pictures and send all info to the boring machine co. and schedule the boring. At that same time order the parts and finish the disassembly. Crankshaft will no be removed, the main bearings will be rolled into place one or two at a time. More as it happens.
Thanks for all your help and information. Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: RvTrvlr on October 11, 2016, 12:33:34 pm
I would not use aftermarket pistons. Genuine cat is the only way I would go. All the reputable shops agree.
read their stance on parts: CAT Engines | Caterpillar Engines For Sale Worldwide | Diesel Engines (http://www.indrebuild.com)
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on October 11, 2016, 12:37:52 pm
Sleeve the motor IMO. May help correct the weak cylinders that are probably out of round and tapered
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on October 11, 2016, 12:47:47 pm
Pat,
I agree with you/your mechanic. If you can have it bored to use Caterpillar Corp oversized pistons, that is exactly what I would do. Do all 6. As suggested, mic all the cylinders to make sure that .020 or .030 will clean them up.
If not, then bore and fit sleeves in the damaged holes and go back with standard pistons.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on October 11, 2016, 01:04:11 pm
The engine seems to have cylinder roundness retention issues.
Boring the cylinders out oversize may add to this issue IMO.
Adding a sleeve might improve the original design would be my thoughts
Versus 80-100k life?
Especially if all the cylinders bore gauge out of round and/or tapered.
Old ford flatheads had 18month aged blocks prior to machining them as they stopped moving dimensionally wise after the seasoning
The yacht guys pushed the design with large failure rates.
Needs the design helped I feel.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on October 11, 2016, 01:14:44 pm
Making 350 HP much of the time is VERY different than making 250 HP very occasionally!
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Tim Fiedler on October 11, 2016, 01:24:58 pm
If Brett and the person giving the warranty both agree, good enough for me!! Good luck with this journey. So many coaches on the road, and so relatively you engine for transmission issues. It is so unfortunate an issue strikes.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on October 11, 2016, 01:27:56 pm
If Brett and the person giving the warranty both agree, good enough for me!! Good luck with this journey. So many coaches on the road, and so relatively you engine for transmission issues. It is so unfortunate an issue strikes.
X-2 in spades! I'd forgotten about them throwing the blocks out in the weather to "season", those days are waay gone!
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on October 11, 2016, 02:24:45 pm
Unquestionably, a block (or exhaust manifold for that matter) that has gone through a number of heat cycles and is then machined is MUCH less likely to get out of spec than a new one.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Caflashbob on October 11, 2016, 06:10:50 pm
Hence my suggestion to redo a seasoned failed block with a more substantial replacement liner.
Done a hundred plus dirt bike motors thst way. Steel liner in a aluminum cylinder. Not iron. Cro moly la sleeve spun cast sleeve.
My favorite 45 year machine shop would have the bare block.
I understand the expensive process.
But I like to fix things permanently.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on October 27, 2016, 10:19:15 pm
update on in-frame overhaul:
Porta-Bore Machine bored and sleeved all 6 cylinders back to standard today in about 10 hrs. All ready for cleanup and reassembly.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: jcus on October 27, 2016, 10:35:41 pm
Got to love Foretravels; where else can you sit in your bedroom and overhaul your engine?
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Hammer2100 on October 27, 2016, 10:52:48 pm
I would suggest an oil sample at 100 miles and 500 miles with an oil change at 500 miles, look at silica and iron levels. Caterpillar has prepaid bottles cheap insurance. ^.^d
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on November 04, 2016, 09:46:26 pm
New pistons, rod bearings, main bearings, cooling tubes are all in today!! Hoping for first test starting next week. ^.^d Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on November 04, 2016, 09:47:03 pm
Excellent. Keep us posted, Pat.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on November 08, 2016, 08:18:22 pm
Good news today:
The rebuilt head is installed, no injectors yet. Working on new oil pump and pickup, oil pan to close it up on the bottom. Intake housing/value cover housing ready to install. All looks real good to me.
Pat
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on November 09, 2016, 11:10:56 am
Holy moly! As the saying goes, "perseverance furthers". There are two other people that are happy as well: my niece and nephew, who will get the keys (if we ever quit). Well done, Pat! We'd like to know what pile of CBs you've invested at the end. ^.^d
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on November 09, 2016, 12:20:28 pm
Here are a few pics:
mike, I am not sure the exchange rate on CBs to dollars, but I will post real dollars, I am hoping to come in less than $10,000.00 but I have no estimate or written paper on cost just my keeping up with what I think the cost will be. The mechanic is honest and goes by books on labor hours. The parts are no Cat. parts. The boring/sleeving was $3000.00. I am well pleased with that work(Porta-Bore Machine, Pasadena,Tx). Got to throw in oil, filters, antifreeze coolant, hydraulic fan oil, ...
Happy about it all. New president also.
Pat
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Texas Guy on November 09, 2016, 12:39:10 pm
I know that the coach bucks have beeb high on this deal, but have you
thought about replacing or checking rod and main bearings while the pan is off?
I used to replace rod and mains at around 100,000 on Cummins Engines
and a lot of the cost was the pan removal and replacement.
Carter Langford Nac-
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: John44 on November 09, 2016, 12:40:43 pm
Just me but I think I would replace that turbo while it is off.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on November 09, 2016, 12:50:48 pm
Just me but I think I would replace that turbo while it is off.
Yup, here's the last chance for a easy change-out. ^.^d
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: wolfe10 on November 09, 2016, 12:54:32 pm
While exhaust manifold is off, put it in a flat surface and check for warpage. Easy with it off to have a machine shop surface it. That will make it better than new (seasoned and machined less susceptible to warpage than brand new).
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: pthurman48 on November 12, 2016, 11:07:12 am
I went to the bank yesterday to get the money to get my blue angle out of hock. It was closed to my surprize, I had just thanked my brother for his service in the marines. I went to the mechanic shop to deliver the bad news to him. The KittyCat was ready to go, he let me take it for a drive, I went east on 103 toward Many LA., I drove 120 miles running it pretty hard, varying the RPM a lot, it is hilly part of the way. Engine temp was at 182-188deg. with low speed fans, oil pressure was 69 psi, engine rpm was 1900-2300rpm at speeds from 55-65. No smoke of any kind from exhaust. Seams to be a little slower on take offs. The total bill is $10,300.00 made up of machine work $3000.00 and the mechanic bill $7273.10. I now have 6 new sleeved cylinders(std), 6 new pistons(std), piston rings(std), my 6 old rods, 6 rod bearings(std), 6 main bearings(std), new oil pump, rebuilt head, new air filter, fuel filter, oil filter(with magnet glued to bottom of filter and one on the pan near drain), anti-freeze with distilled water. I am happy with the deal, going to Florida for Christmas, Thank you Jesus.
Pat,
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 12, 2016, 11:13:29 am
It will probably require a few thousand miles to "loosen up". When do they recommend the first "after rebuild" oil change?
Congratulations on reaching the end of a long, difficult and expensive ordeal. I hope you can soon put it all behind you, and again enjoy your coach without any mechanical worries.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: RvTrvlr on November 12, 2016, 12:23:24 pm
Congrats. After following your saga, hopefully this engine treats you right for many more years. I think you made the right call with cat pistons in a sleeved bore, vs oversize aftermarket in the block.
Title: Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on November 12, 2016, 12:55:28 pm
Well done, Pat! Yes, the engine will need some time to "loosen up", (One of our Isuzus took 60k before I got some speed). Someone here had posted a "break-in ritual" a while ago, seemed like a good idea. What oil are you using? ^.^d