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Title: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Dick & Sue on November 05, 2016, 10:59:04 am
Finally got the 3rd valve installed. As some of you know, there's a lot of work behind the panels that needs to be done first.
The vinyl hose along the back side is from the overflow pan under the Splendide washer/dryer that we installed a few years ago.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Jeff & Sandy on November 05, 2016, 11:40:34 am
Nice! Love mine. Is that a fresh water hose going into the the fitting?
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Dick & Sue on November 05, 2016, 11:49:52 am
If you mean the hose next to the 3rd valve, no, that is the "if the washing machine leaks" drain hose. We installed the drip pan, per Foretravel suggestion.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: John Morales on November 05, 2016, 04:12:07 pm
Nice job!  I did the same and laid it on it's side in case I needed access to the rear for anything.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: John Haygarth on November 05, 2016, 05:18:05 pm
John, the only problem with having it at 90 deg is it could get a build up of sludge etc inside the valve body. I think the valve people say any were between 10 oclock and 2 oclock is ok.
JohnH
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Dick & Sue on November 05, 2016, 06:20:54 pm
John M., I thought about that, but with the valve mounted at High Noon, if I need to get in behind, the valve unbolts with only the hub left on the black pipe.
This picture shows what is behind the black trim. Easy to remove if I need to remove the bottom panel.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: rbark on November 05, 2016, 06:28:21 pm
I have had my 3rd valve at the 3:00 o'clock position for maybe 3 years now and haven't had an issue with build up so far. I do flush the black tank till no "stuff" comes out. I use a clear 45 deg adaptor to monitor the flushing.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Dick & Sue on November 05, 2016, 06:36:48 pm
In order to fit the 90* clear fitting and close the door,  I needed to move the valve inboard and that put on the deck surface.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: John Haygarth on November 05, 2016, 06:39:40 pm
I know I read it somewhere and it does make sense (well to me anyway) ^.^d
JohnH
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 05, 2016, 07:03:48 pm
As long as the main tank valves are holding, you can always take the 3rd valve apart and clean it out (if necessary).
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Bill Chaplin on November 05, 2016, 09:57:07 pm
has anyone put a 3rd valve on a '93 Grand-villa.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 05, 2016, 10:34:13 pm
has anyone put a 3rd valve on a '93 Grand-villa.
I did.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: rbark on November 05, 2016, 10:44:49 pm
John H, you did read that someplace, but being it's a 3rd valve and easyly removed for cleaning I see no problem with what way it's installed. JMHO
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on November 05, 2016, 11:35:49 pm
Dick, Nice job. Neat and tidy.  We have a SeeLevel display at this station. it is interesting to see the black tank empty and then fill from the gray tank and then empty again.  it takes more time than I expected to fill the black tank back up to 20% or so.

A caution... I have noticed that if you have the 45 or 90 degree fitting on and a hose attached to it and tug a bit on the hose the angled fitting can come loose.  Always double check. No surprises!  :o
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Dick & Sue on November 06, 2016, 08:13:34 am
Thanks Roger for the kind words and the caution. I'll be sure to keep an eye on the angle fittings. Don't know if I'll keep them hooked up or connect when I need to dump.
The SeaLevel display is on our list, just didn't make the cut this year. Along with the Progressive surge protector that we bought at the Tampa RV show last year.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Jeff & Sandy on November 06, 2016, 08:38:18 am
has anyone put a 3rd valve on a '93 Grand-villa.


Yes.


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Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on November 06, 2016, 08:46:05 am
I would move that Progressive up to the top of the list.  I put ours in, not too hard, just make sure everything is off (gen and landline unplugged) including the inverter and disconnect the neg cables as a safety precaution.  Use SO grade wire, very flexible. It was a snug fit in the space at the foot of the bed but it fits.

We usually find at least one campground a year where it prevents a connectoin to a miswired post.  In A Florida State Park it stopped us from connecting. I called the office and the person said someone would be around the next day (Monday).  A fellow showed up in less than five minutes.  He said when electrical stuff didn't work it got bumped up. He opened the box and sure enough just as the EMS error codes predicted it was wired wrong.  He said that someone in that site had mentioned to the office the week before that they felt tingling in their hand when they were getting into their fiver.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Dick & Sue on November 06, 2016, 09:21:17 am
I agree with moving up the Progressive project, but we are about ready to leave this afternoon or tomorrow for our trek to sunnier Florida for the winter.
Funny thing about Florida SP. In Dec 2015, we were staying in Bahia Honda SP, Florida Keys. Had problems with the 50 amp post dropping out 1 leg. Not a major, just annoying. Brought it to the attention of the Ranger office as we were leaving.
Well we were lucky to get the same site again in Feb 2016. Same problem, just a bit worse. This time I raised my concern a bit more and they had the Ranger park electrician with in an hour.  Unbelievable what he found inside the box. The GFI was bad, loose wires just hooked together, and a bad ground. Problems were fixed and we were good again.
So far, that has been the only bad post that we found in SPs.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 06, 2016, 11:01:05 am
Until you guys get the Progressive unit installed, you might consider carrying a portable outlet tester.  There is some excellent info on Beamalarm about building a DIY version.

50 Amp Outlet Tester (http://beamalarm.com/Documents/50_amp_outlet_tester.html)

OR, if you are lazy (like me) you can buy one.  I know many Forum members carry and trust the Power Pal.  We bought ours just before our most recent 5-week outing, and I used it at every stop.  Very first thing, before I did anything else about parking or positioning the coach, I hopped out and plugged in the Power Pal.  30 seconds later, I knew if it is safe, or not.  EASY!

RV Campground Voltage Tester Protects Your RV (http://50amppowerpal.com)

NOTE:  I receive no compensation of any kind for pimping this product.  8)
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Dick & Sue on November 06, 2016, 06:14:26 pm
"Until you guys get the Progressive unit installed, you might consider carrying a portable outlet tester." and Roger's comments, we  ran out to Camping World this afternoon and picked up the SurgeGuard 50amp surgeguard. I know that's not the best one out there, but hopefully it will do until I get the Progressive installed.

Thanks again to you guys.


Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: saddlesore on November 29, 2016, 02:06:57 pm
Had OTM install the Progressive when we were in Nac.... lo and behold! very first campground on the way back to the NorthWet Bingo!! bad ground...... !
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Carol & Scott on November 29, 2016, 05:13:19 pm
We like the portable Progressive.  Once ordered; it's delivered then plug it in.  No install.  We plug it in as soon as we pull in the spot b/4 leveling, extending slides and before we shut down the engine.  I think 3 or 4 spots in 4 years have been problematic.  :D
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: toyman on November 29, 2016, 06:11:46 pm
Interesting, a Progressive 3rd valve . 🤔🤔
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: saddlesore on November 29, 2016, 06:47:05 pm
really wanted to install a3rd valve but not enough clearance .
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Jeff & Sandy on November 29, 2016, 07:08:30 pm
We like the portable Progressive.  Once ordered; it's delivered then plug it in.  No install.  We plug it in as soon as we pull in the spot b/4 leveling, extending slides and before we shut down the engine.  I think 3 or 4 spots in 4 years have been problematic.  :D

The same for us.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: rbark on November 29, 2016, 08:17:52 pm
Why would you put a 3rd valve on a Progressive surge protector????
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: jcus on November 29, 2016, 08:50:18 pm
Why would you put a 3rd valve on a Progressive surge protector????
You can store all those errand electrons in you tank till the next dump station.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: krush on November 29, 2016, 08:57:33 pm
 The previous owner on my RV installed a PVC ball valve, I believe it is 3 inch. I actually like it better than the gate valves. I think it is more robust, and less chance of build up.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: lgshoup on November 30, 2016, 06:29:05 am


Who's on first...? Love these ramblings of us old people who drift from one thought to another.








Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Carol & Scott on November 30, 2016, 06:25:58 pm
Oooops.   

We can't  have a 3rd valve so I guess I took a left turn. 
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: krush on December 12, 2016, 11:18:10 pm
I got requests for PVC ball valve. It was done by previous owner....I would've done a neater job, but it works. I've also caught 2 mice so far!
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: John Haygarth on December 13, 2016, 01:00:35 am
Krush, you need to put the door seal strip back on the drop down sewer cover as maybe that is how they get in??
JohnH
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Lon and Cheryl on December 14, 2016, 01:31:18 am
That giant ball valve looks like a GREAT solution!
Just made my endless list.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: krush on December 15, 2016, 08:29:03 am
If I were to install the ball valve, I'd probably do threaded, so it could be replaced (unlikely, though). The person the previous owner hired to do it just cut the PVC and glued the valve in between.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: bdale on December 15, 2016, 09:10:59 am
If I were to install the ball valve, I'd probably do threaded, so it could be replaced (unlikely, though). The person the previous owner hired to do it just cut the PVC and glued the valve in between.
Maybe not enough clearance to spin a threaded valve for installion?  Handle would hit the floor on mine, or would stick out too far.
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: craneman on December 15, 2016, 10:23:34 am
What cement glues abs to pvc?
Title: Re: Update on Valterra 3rd valve installation
Post by: Bill Willett on December 15, 2016, 11:52:32 am
Oatey makes a transition cement for PVC to ABS.