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Title: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: Yetch on December 26, 2016, 09:35:31 am
What is the device that causes the delay with the coach accepting the AC power from the shore line?  I have been using a Progressive Industries EMS-PT50C unit when hooking into shore power.  There has always been a 3 minute or so delay before the power is accepted by the coach.  Yesterday, when plugging into shore power, the coach would not accept the power.  However, with out the Progressive unit, The coach accepted the power input. With the surge protector, all messages were acceptable with no faults.  But after the 3 minute wait, I heard a 'click' noise from the PT50C unit, with no power to the coach.  Any suggestions?
Thanks, Mike
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on December 26, 2016, 09:45:32 am
Most Automatic Transfer Switches (ATS) have a time delay circuit built in.  The actual delay will vary by manufacturer

Sounds like something is "sticking" in your primary ATS (the one that selects between "shore power" and "generator").  Why having the Progressive EMS--50 unit installed on your shore power line would make a difference, I don't know...

When you start your generator, does the coach power up normally (after the built-in ATS delay)?
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: John44 on December 26, 2016, 09:48:07 am
GO TO THE PROGRESSIVE INDUSTRIES SITE AND READ UP ON YOUR MODEL,I just did and it has a built in delay of 136 seconds.
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: Yetch on December 26, 2016, 10:00:52 am
As I said, with the Progressive unit, the coach gets no power, regardless of a time delay.
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on December 26, 2016, 10:04:22 am
Check the voltage output at the female socket on the EMS-50, after you hear the "CLICK".  Perhaps the internal switching circuitry on the EMS-50 has malfunctioned?

Call or email Progressive tech support?  Progressive Industries RV Surge and Electrical Protection industry lea (http://www.progressiveindustries.net/ems-pt50c)
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on December 26, 2016, 10:09:28 am
We have the same exterior model (pedestal mount). Yes, there is a delay (fooled me a couple of times), but "the click" should indicate the EMS is switching power. A draw-back to the portable is it's hard to read the testing sequence if the light is wrong.
Those are great devices (pricey, also), so problems are few, usually. I see from their website they are closed for the holidays, but a call to tech support might get through. Let us know what you find out, good luck!      919.267.6975
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: Yetch on December 26, 2016, 10:11:06 am
Thanks, I will that a try.
Mike
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on December 26, 2016, 11:15:18 am
Found this discussion about a failed EMS-50.  This was a hard-wired built-in unit, so may not be applicable to your portable model.

Progressive EMS Bypass (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=28987.msg243844#msg243844)
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on December 26, 2016, 11:51:25 am
What I just noticed in my book, is the EMS should give you a code# at the end of the test. Even if the EMS itself is bad, it will give a code. It seems the code #s will not show once the unit is disconnected. I'd plug it back in, get a chair and watch it do it's test. Have a slip of paper to write down the code #.  Any error code other than "E O" or "E 10" is suspect. 2 min 16 second delay.
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: John44 on December 26, 2016, 11:55:31 am
Is there another coach anywhere to try it on? would tell you if its the protector or the coach,if it does the same thing on another coach its the protector.What is the voltage going to the coach,I think that model has the low/hi voltage shutoff.
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: DavidS on December 26, 2016, 11:58:27 am
Is this a pedestal that you have been using? Was the pedestal checked for proper voltage? Just a guess on my part as I do not own this product
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on December 26, 2016, 12:15:30 pm
I think that model has the low/hi voltage shutoff.

The EMS-PT50C has that feature: "E 5" is high line voltage above 132v on Line 2 and "E 6" is low voltage below 104v on Line 2.  E 3 & E 4 are the same for Line 1.
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: Yetch on December 26, 2016, 01:35:50 pm
 Right now I am in the shop having all airbags replaced  Will be back home to my shore power in an hour or so  Error code was E-0, which is normal
Mike
Title: Re: AC Shore Power Question
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on December 26, 2016, 03:45:45 pm
  Error code was E-0, which is normal
Something is wrong, here, and should not be ignored. When you got the E-0, was the coach still plugged into the EMS & power?