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Title: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: saddlesore on January 13, 2017, 10:33:24 pm
Determined that the 12 volt motor for the little compressor is kaput. had air leak when in storage and ran until it didn't..
motor is fried and the compressor as well me thinks.
Called HWH and the Rietschle & Thomas model TA-4101-DC-XXX /980420  12v  part # M-97054    & (HWH # RAP 91524)  asking price is just north of 2 CB !

Gotta see what I can find on E-Bay, should be something out there.

red
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Tim Fiedler on January 13, 2017, 10:46:33 pm
Here is one source. Note they also sho "minor" and "major" service kits

Search (http://cfpco.com/Results/#!&ea_q=TA-4101)
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: saddlesore on January 13, 2017, 10:51:41 pm
looks like that is the one, just no Thomas stickers on it...

THANKYOU!

red
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Tim Fiedler on January 13, 2017, 10:58:40 pm
Keep looking - google the part number - you may find a better deal - was interesting that you can apparently rebuild it too
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Texas Guy on January 14, 2017, 01:42:13 am
Red,

Look at Colaw RV  and at Visone RV.

I bet one or both will have it.

Visone has several FT they are wrecking.

Carter-
 
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: stump on January 14, 2017, 08:54:19 am
Pull it off and take it to the starter alternator,electric motor shop,they should be able to rebuild it for you,probably worn out the brushes in it.
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on January 14, 2017, 12:07:39 pm
I got the rebuild kit for my 2001 compressor here.

Results for 'Thomas' (http://www.zoro.com/search?q=Thomas)

Lots of compressors and rebuild kits.  Priced right too.

Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Michelle on January 14, 2017, 08:25:51 pm
Aux Compressor Rebuild Thomas TA4101 (http://beamalarm.com/Documents/aux_compressor_rebuild_thomas_ta4101.html)

That's Steve's work/write up/photos scraped from the forum.
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: stump on January 15, 2017, 07:23:02 pm
That's Steve's work/write up/photos scraped from the forum.
Is something wrong with that?
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Michelle on January 15, 2017, 07:37:29 pm
It was done without his knowledge or permission.  It's actually a violation of copyright law.
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Old phart phred on January 15, 2017, 08:09:33 pm
Wow Michelle it appears it was posted to a forum, so people could look/use and benefit at the author's choice. And you come along and throw down legal rights.
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Michelle on January 15, 2017, 08:27:58 pm

take a look at the User Agreement, which is there to protect everyone who posts here, specifically the Prohibited Activities  FORUM TERMS & CONDITIONS (http://www.foreforums.com/agreement.html)

If one has the original poster's permission to copy and reuse on another website, that's fine, but if there is no permission, and especially when it's not asked for, it's not.
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: craneman on January 15, 2017, 08:51:03 pm
It does give Steve credit as the originator of the article. Still not acceptable?
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Old phart phred on January 15, 2017, 11:43:39 pm
Big piston short stroke would appear to be high volume low pressure. Only to be strangled by appearently 1/4"  id tubing. Might want to buy a much cheaper normal off the shelf compressor and a regulator more moisture production, so you may have to replace/ recharge the desiccant more often but not 2 cb's
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Michael & Jackie on January 16, 2017, 01:16:56 am
What going on in this?  Was it originally by Steve to the Forum, then copied by another reference from the Forum and now appears outside the Forum?

By the way, I was thinking that if something is copyrighted you cannot just copy and publish it in entirety just because you cite the source.  On the other hand, many journals and periodicals do allow limited copies if you get permission, or even some without written permission, and there is some rule about things being in the public domain that excerpts can be quoted, cited, but that is not the same thing as just republishing a whole work.

Hmmmm.  Wonder what law says?


Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: lgshoup on January 16, 2017, 07:02:06 am
I clicked on the link Stump posted and read the article, did I break any rules??? Just yanking your chain...
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: stump on January 16, 2017, 08:10:20 am
It was done without his knowledge or permission.  It's actually a violation of copyright law.
Well I didn't know that Michelle! Excuse me for trying to contribute something that might help out another forum member. The members of this site are always referring searching the Beamalarm site for it's wealth of information. He has accumulated years and years of research in one place,that you will find nowhere else!. So he found Steve's write up and thought it was written good enough to be stored in his website files where Foretravel people could find and access it. Wow!  A google search brought that up and I posted it. smh I'll remove the post sorry your toes got stepped on.
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Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on January 16, 2017, 08:44:49 am
Let me go fix some popcorn and get a drink, y'all.
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: TulsaTrent on January 16, 2017, 10:43:09 am
Barry has posted many articles on his beamalarm website. A lot of them started out as postings on this and other sites by many different authors. Most (if not all) of them give full credit to the original author.
 
We frequently see links from Foreforums to his site and see frequent statements of praise for Barry's accumulation of all things Foretravel. At one time, most of Steve Cook's articles were posted on Foreforums for the benefit of other members. At some point, Steve removed his articles from Foreforums and posted them onto another website.
 
This is the first time I remember someone complaining about something posted on Barry's beamalarm website. I sure hope this thread does not convince him to take his football somewhere else, too.
 
Trent
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: craneman on January 16, 2017, 10:56:09 am
Barry has posted many articles on his beamalarm website. A lot of them started out as postings on this and other sites by many different authors. Most (if not all) of them give full credit to the original author.
 
We frequently see links from Foreforums to his site and see frequent statements of praise for Barry's accumulation of all things Foretravel. At one time, most of Steve Cook's articles were posted on Foreforums for the benefit of other members. At some point, Steve removed his articles from Foreforums and posted them onto another website.
 
This is the first time I remember someone complaining about something posted on Barry's beamalarm website. I sure hope this thread does not convince him to take his football somewhere else, too.
 
Trent
2 questions, why did Steve move his articles to another website and is that website allowed to be mentioned so I could read some of the articles? I am too new here to have read any of Steve's posts and when doing searching on the Forum wind up getting links to information on Barry's website and have used it to do my own repairs. Both the Forum and Barry's site has saved me much time and money. I asked before about what would happen if we lost the ability to have the Forum.
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on January 16, 2017, 11:11:02 am
Giving credit to the author does not mean it was used with the author's permission which is required by the user's agreement when copying a forum post for use somewhere else.
Barry's last post on this Forum was about two years ago although I am sure he looks in on us from time to time.
Unfortunately as far as I can tell, all of Steve's posts on the ForeForum have been removed (presumably by him.) Some from the Yahoo days still exist.

This thread has gone seriously off track. How is this misdirection relevant to Red's original post?
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: krush on January 16, 2017, 11:12:00 am
take a look at the User Agreement, which is there to protect everyone who posts here, specifically the Prohibited Activities  FORUM TERMS & CONDITIONS (http://www.foreforums.com/agreement.html)

If one has the original poster's permission to copy and reuse on another website, that's fine, but if there is no permission, and especially when it's not asked for, it's not.


Sure about that? There is a fair use doctrine AND at the top of the webpage is a link to the original post (though, it is error when clicked). It is obvious that credit is being given AND the original information was posted on a FORUM which is considered to be public.

here's some info: Is it Illegal to Copy and Paste Posts from Another Person's Website (http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118292)

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You may be violating the copyright of the individual poster.

The Fair Use exception to copyright offers many ways that a knowledgeable person may legally use someone else's copyrighted work without their permission.

I don't follow the legal mumbo jumbo, but when people quote or paste news articles, I think the acceptable practice is to provide the link and citation to the original author.
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: craneman on January 16, 2017, 11:26:09 am
Before this gets locked can it be split or restarted to the subject at hand? I am not interested in the legal end, just want to find out if any of Steve's articles can be found. I did a Google search using "Steve Cook Foretravel" and found him and Michelle linked to articles but would like to know more.
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: krush on January 16, 2017, 11:35:32 am
Looks like this is where Steve took all his toys and went to: Welcome to the iRV Blog (http://www.irvblog.com/)
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: krush on January 16, 2017, 11:37:15 am
Here is link to the pump rebuild: HWH Pump Rebuild (http://www.irvblog.com/foretravel%20projects/HWH-Pump-Rebuild/)
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on January 16, 2017, 11:57:36 am
More popcorn please.
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: Bill Willett on January 16, 2017, 12:03:00 pm
All I will say is Steve still has a hand in this forum, he is the go to guy when we have a tech problem with forum, I would be careful
 who we piss off or there maybe no forum.
 Like Dave M. would sat DWMYH.
Title: Re: HWH Air compressor for slide bladder...ouchies!
Post by: John S on January 16, 2017, 04:52:47 pm
This veered off the main topic so I am going to lock it.