Looking EBay I found a 34' U270 for sale, but there seems to be so many red flags. I am unsure if links are allowed l, so you'll have to look it up.
This appears to be three different motor homes.
Picture 1 is a stock photo (without permission) from Motorhomes of Texas of a a 40' Foretravel U320 with upgraded round headlights from Xtreme.
Picture 3 shows a 34' Foretravel U270 with the standard square headlights.
Pictures 3 and 7 show a large round decal near the roofline and pictures 4 and 8 show that they are missing.
The oval FMCA placard is displayed in picture 7, but not in picture 8.
No VIN is listed on the EBay listing or on the seller website. The 'View Report' is inactive.
The feedback rating is currently Negative One.
NADA Guides list this as a Low Retail of $17,250 which is a far cry from $55,000.
Nada requires adding every single item in the equipment list.
That's the way the banks lend. It's to establish the value to auditors.
All the added items could have been deleted when ordered
Not defending the guy, haven't seen it.
Nada is for banks to loan on. Motor homes, boats and RV's in general, go for whatever the market will bring. The book on our 97 U295 is about 17-20K. I was happy to pay more then double that, and consider I got a deal.
Sold our 97 Dutchman for 19K in the fall 1st person,had people all over it, bank said 11K
Just sold our 95 pontoon boat for 10K, first day, 1st person. Full ask.Had 4 people in line. Bank said 7K
Sold a 01 Tioga last Spring for 18K. Bought it Friday, sold it Saturday. Bank said 9K
I have turned down several offers on out 02 Wrangler for double book.That is what they go for. It's the market that dictates price's
I'll concede that Nadaguides runs low, but the rest of it doesn't look right.
Bob,
Yes, links are allowed.
Thanks Brett
2000 Foretravel Motorcoach Foretravel 34 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/152549750668)
What's worse, the mix of photos from multiple coaches, or the single (from last year) feedback, as negative as you can get:
Negative feedback rating Horrible transaction.The description was all lies. Stay away. Story on Google h***i ( 556Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999) During past year
Reply by poprvs (Aug-28-16 12:51):
We are sorry we failed to meet expecatation and hope to earn your business back.
2009 Forest River Sierra 322 FKD (#152088543263)
US $9,500.00
Best Offer Price was AcceptedThis item was listed in fixed price format with a Best Offer option. The seller accepted a Best Offer price.
Mentioned this coach on the FYI for Ebayers yesterday.
This coach has been on Craigslist for a month or two in Stony Point New York. Spoke with the older couple who own it. As many of you know PopsRV is a "remarketer" that contacts sellers and will expand marketing for a fee. Not sure why they'd use a front end picture that's not correct.
If you search craigslist for Hudson valley you'll see the listing and can get owners phone number. They will email pics.
If that's the case then popsrv could care less wether it sells or not,they get the fee.I think the owner could make a case that pops
cost them potential buyers.
That's my take on them as well......
I talked to the owners of this coach also, about a year ago.They were nice.The coach is legit.
Just deal direct. It was all over the internet, I saw it on RV trader
Owner or lister the pics are all wrong. There are multiple coaches in the pics, both
interior and exterior. Any serious buyer should hear alarm bells ringing from this ad.
Carter-
You see this all the time on Craigslist, but not much on eBay. I've seen the same RV listed multiple times on far different locations, using old photos from a legitimate RV seller, often a mishmash of photos. Buyer beware.
I saw this so it's just a FYI. No connection, no idea about it.
Foretravel diesel pusher cummins 36' movie (https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/rvs/6118035523.html)
Keith
There are so many knowledgeable people on this board. It amazes me that some of you knew about the coach and have already interacted with the owner. I will be getting my Foretravel after the kids are out of college and am glad to have this forum as a resource.
Curious about the "rebuilt" title.
It is a U225, SBI layout.
Me too. that sends my warning buzzer off.
Heard of a salvage title, never a rebuild title.
Googling "rebuilt title" one finds a lot of cautionary information. Here's one example Jalopnik article (http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/why-you-dont-want-to-buy-a-rebuilt-salvage-vehicle-1653320003)
ETA since it is in Indiana, here is Indiana's info on rebuilt titles. https://www.in.gov/bmv/files/Salvage_Restoration_Packet.pdf Similar to the Jalopnik article mentions, it looks like all one had to do to get the "rebuilt" title is 1) show it was a salvage titled vehicle, 2) submit an odometer affidavit, 3) prove you legally owned the parts used to rebuild it. There is no guarantee of rebuild quality or safety implied.
I posted several items of farm equipment on Craig's List this morning since I am having to slow down soon.
Out of 12 ads there were text messages on 9 of them from California area codes. All about the same,
personal cashiers check in mail, please hold it for 15 days for check to arrive. Please send more pictures, send
your bank account number for money transfer, etc. The ad stated 'local only, cash sale, due to scammers' but that
had no meaning to them. VERY FRUSTRATING what this world has come to. We may talk slow in Texas but that
doesn't mean we think as slow.
Carter-
All states are different when titles for damaged vehicles or insurance "totaled" vehicles are issued. My last coach (93 Gulfstream) had a salvage certificate when I bought it at auction. In Colorado it has the words "rebuilt from salvage" stamped into the door frame, and the title says salvage. It had a broken taillight lens that was difficult to find so the insurance company totaled it, thus a salvage title. If a vehicle is totaled in Colorado by hail, state law prohibits a salvage title.The state patrol must inspect salvage stamped vehicles from out of state, or vehicles with a salvage certificate. The amount of damage doesn't determine title status, the insurance companies do. Two cars cut in half and super glued together with no insurance total payout would have a clear title. My U295 was purchased with a salvage title do to an electrical fire involving half of the engine wiring. The insurance company didn't want to fix it because it was a result of a bad repair of the same damage a few months earlier. It is a super nice coach, and the wiring is now like OEM or better. When I sell it the stigma of the title will effect the value, but a coach with major bulkhead issues repaired to the same standard as my wiring will not be salvage because insurance was not involved. The moral of the story is look carefully at whatever you buy, and do not let paper control your decision. Great records do not make a great vehicle, it's care and repair do.
In Idaho "Branded Title"
I highly recommend NOT putting your phone number in any CL ads. Make them Email you. I am still getting about 10 bogus calls a week from last year.
I have no problem with email contacting each other, until you are comfortable to give out your number.
Remember, they have to have internet to start with, to see the ad.
I called that guy and talked to him about 2 years ago,he was working on the hyd. jack,he was the one who bought it with the
current title but he could not tell me why it had that kind of title,sounded kind of fishy.
If it runs as good as it looks someone will enjoy this new listing I just saw on MOT's website. If we could only shrink it to 36'.
2000 Foretravel U320 40 Priced at $ 92500 (http://motorhomesoftexas.com/coachrv/foretravel/2000--u320--40--C2006)
Anyone seen it in person?
Randy
Is it the same one as in this topic? Looking at a 2000 FT at MOT (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=31009.0)
Good looking rig!
Had a 36 FT. Moved to 40' FT. Don't overthink the 4'. Had not kept me out of any CG in last 8 years I have owned it that a 36' would have gotten into.
Condition and Maint. 20X more important than length
Michelle, feel free to delete separate topic or combine.
In my searching the web for Grand Villas I stumbled on this:
Used RV For Sale in Bridgeport, West Virginia: 1994 Foretravel Grand Villa -... (https://www.greatvehicles.com/rvs/for_sale.cgi/Foretravel/Grand%20Villa/West%20Virginia/21978117)
Trashed, scam, or golden opportunity for an enterprising individual?
I have promised the DW no project vehicles, so this one is out for me, but all the same.......
If it had a Ford V-10 in it, I'd be thinking about it (besides having 20CBs stashed to restore the rest).
Could be a very nice coach with a little TLC. That is if the engine runs OK. It's a U300 with the 6V-92TA or it looks like it from the 5 inch exhaust. NOT gas like the ad says. Has the recessed ICC lights and will have the carpet headliner. If the engine runs, I would be on the next flight! Think this is a 36 foot model. Rare and very desirable.
Pierce
Restoration on the outside could probably be done with some dishwasher soap and ajax mix with a sponge. No $20K. No big deal inside unless it had leaks.
Pierce
I don't recall Tim & I saying, "you will spend 20k". It is a 50/50 chance on these old dears, that CBs will be spent after the sale. We paid some serious CBs on this coach, but the paperwork showed just about everything had been replaced, once or twice. You start adding up costs: "two new roof airs, two new furnaces, new cook stove, new fridge", and on and on once you get to know the coach, there could be some big (to me) bucks spent. i don't mean to be negative, I simply love our coach, but know the realities of "a good deal". ^.^d
I would think that the price $6,500 is cheap, but then again it could be loaded with surprises resident critters comes to mind. That being said I think it has a diesel as the hubs are 10 bolt not those lightweight 6 bolt, there are probably other signs that I don't know.
East coast rides are usually a No No out west because of the rock salt and humidity levels so underneath would be a good place to start ? ^.^d
Mike,
The above is what I was quoting.
Pierce
I would like to see the floorplan. If it is a wtbi it becomes even more desirable with an extra six inch width. Much roomier bathroom and the pocket doors are great. The overall feel of a roomier coach is achieved with this design. The living room can be enlarged with the removal of the barrel chair and using a smaller rocker recliner. Cindy insisted on the bigger bathroom and I had to comply!
Jerry
I was thinking that besides myself, Jerry Maddux was the only other U300 102" 36 foot owner about. If you go to the site 1994 Foretravel Grand Villa Unihome, PHOTOS, Details, Brochure, Floorplan (http://www.dreamfindersrv.com/RV/7708471/details.htm) and supersize the photo, you can see the big chrome exhaust pipe right below the rear dock light. The U300 Detroit is the only one with that. The number of compartment doors indicate 36 feet and the recessed ICC lights mean 1994 or 1995. Foretravel didn't make a gas engine in these years. Note the two receiver covers below the bumper. Also looks as if it had a front bug protector on it with the vertical row of snaps. Can't be a 1995 as it does not have the one piece front access cover.
Yes, an east coast coach could have corrosion issues but I don't see anything wrong with the body from this side. The decals even look good or at least better than ours were when we bought it.
At that price, you could drive it across the states, have a great vacation and then use it as an apartment. :D
Pierce
Jerry,
Just read your post. I was thinking of modifying the entrance wall/rail on the left on the way into the coach and making it so the top part would fold down. Then installing a booth with a table that would drop to make a bed to watch our big screen on the back wall.
Another idea is to put a big screen in the area taken up by the front table and liquor cabinet. There is a Foretravel in England that has one of the electric fireplaces with a big screen that is motorized to come up to viewing height. Good viewing a 4K TV from the sofa then.
I like your little stove! I spend hours asleep in the OEM recliner though. Good for watching TV on the back wall but no close spot for the second person.
I bet this is a sweetheart price to lure you into calling a sleazebag loan place. That said t would be great to get a unihome basket case for this price and nurse it back to health if you had the skills to do it yourself.
If the carpets, seats were shot, $2000 will get seats like ours, sofa and recliner recovered and new carpets plus the interior wood oiled in Puerto Peñasco. Another $2500 will replace a bad fridge plus two new roof ACs. New tires from $2K to $3.5K. Thats worst case if everything were to be bad or to get rid of the red interior carpet if so fitted. :)
If the engine were "dusted," it could be really expensive to get rebuilt. But,"nothing ventured, nothing gained."
Pierce
Is that what you say before or after the DW leaves with the kids, and the dog bites you on the ankles? :))
The first DW left after the boat trip. Kids gone now and the dogs know I have the food in a locked pail. Gaylie has tolerated me for 20 years now but I have come close, real close.
Pierce
Same with me. I don't know where I got it, but the "what's over the hill" disease got me early and there was no cure. As she left me, the words, "That's our problem, you want to migrate, I want to hibernate" came up. It was too weird to say, "nice poetry, dear."
I heard this from many other sources over the years.
Ripoff Report | John Hiebel Complaint Review Internet (http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/john-hiebel/internet/john-hiebel-aka-rvsearch-and-dream-finders-rvs-scam-artist-con-man-fraud-internet-643989)
The name does match. Nice research!
Pierce
I called for coach specs. NA @ this point.
I want it, but have no idea where it is. I also sent a message, now waiting for a reply. I think it would take some getting used to after driving my 29' around.
The ad has more print describing loans then coach features. If you need a loan to buy a $6500 coach you can't afford to maintain it. My mind screams SCAM.
Roland
It's in Bridgeport, WV. I sent an email but have not heard back. Read the complaints and responses for him. Not surprised at the price as West Virginia is in terrible shape.
Vanagon is a great toad, especially with the Jetta engine conversion.
Pierce
They do, we came from a 31" and I'm still getting used to it. Parking lots and sharp corners are dicey until you get used to it. ^.^d
John Hiebel sent me two emails. Too long to copy/paste here. He is very wordy. Said the Foretravel is a private sale and he takes no commission. Really pushes the financing. Sent a list of quite a few RVs. No other Foretravels. If the owner contacts me, I will post the info as I am not interested in the coach. Now, if it were in Sacramento...
Pierce
Forgot to post photo:
Pierce
May not be mistreated at all, just dirty on the outside. From the condition of the graphics, she may have spent most of her time indoors.
Exactly. May just need washing. Any coach that has been sitting will need all batteries replaced but you can see the price Jimmy just paid for his 31 series. Doubt very much if Hiebel ever even looked at it. What kind of a business would list it as a gas RV? On the other hand, one seller sent me photos of their "perfect" U300. They lived in it and the bathroom photo had all the dirty clothing, cleaning supplies plus the sofa had a huge hole their dog had eaten in it. They said it was "easily repairable."
Pierce
What is bothering me, on these recent coaches for sale, is how low they sit, maybe that's why one of my POs took the fold-down steps off ? With this coach, with no jacks extended, on level ground, I measure 7" from the top of the tire to the bulkhead. She sits pretty, and I would be measuring that when looking at a GV. ^.^d
Ours sits quite low after a few days. For best air bag life, it would be good to block the suspension up so the bottom of the air bag does not fold and crack. This is where the majority of failures occur.
Pierce
It would be VERY unusual for one to be that neglected cosmetically and yet properly maintained mechanically. Again, VERY rare.
OK, Brett, how do you see the "neglect" in the exterior of the photo other than sitting out and getting dirty? Now, if it had peeling decals and other areas of neglect, that could be very true. From the snaps on the front cap that would indicate a bug "bra" and very well could reflect pride of ownership, I just don't see any other problems in the photo. I have spoken to several former Foretravel owners who had sudden health or financial issues and had to park their coach for good. Sometimes they were able to store them inside but most parked them outside. With just the dirt on this coach but good decals, I expect it has not been outside for that long. Like I said before, our coach looked much, much worse than this one but other than a couple of airbags, it now has 100,000 of absolutely trouble free miles.
Reading between the lines could mean a surviving spouse advertising it not knowing the difference between a gas and diesel coach. Plus, any owner with savvy would advertise on Craigslist or other RV publications, not with a sketchy business. Seems strange to say the least.
My take,
Pierce
I drove through there two weeks ago. Wish I had known about it then.
If it starts, runs and drives with a clear current title I would buy it instantly.
Everything else is fixable. Decent tires, non cracked airbags at full lift would be pluses.
ALL the info is here to fix this.
Hard to spend $20k which is somewhat its value in average fixed condition IMO
99 Foretravel u295,Texas certificate of destruction title,cannot register in tx,going for parts on Ebay,anyone want to go halves?
I believe it is a Florida cert of destruct. Will this be a problem
PM sent.
2000 Foretravel U320 40 Foot Diesel Pusher Motorhome - rvs - by owner -... (https://knoxville.craigslist.org/rvs/6115486210.html)
Looks very clean
Hurts to see the sale sign slapped on the back with duck tape. :+)
For someone that wants to upgrade and not have the complexity of a slide it would be a great coach. But it really hurts resale. With everything stock there're lots of good upgrades needed.
Dave, on the other side of the coin I will break my normal non caring habit and express my experience with our similar coach.
A lot here may not agree but that's ok.
I would not enjoy the coach as much with the galley on the curb side and the dinette on the street side.
The dinette under the awning facing our campsite was the std floorplan across the industry until the early slides were built.
Took many years for Foretravel to finally flip the floorplan back to this setup with a slide and a cooktop.
See the floorplans beamalarms has on his website.
I understand the resale difference but for me I would prefer the non slide to get the floorplan more to our liking.
If you say it hurts the resale we will see. Maybe someone can pay even less if it does not sell.
Bet it sells fairly quickly
Here's another one on Craig's List...
1986 FORETRAVEL GRAND VILLA - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://bakersfield.craigslist.org/rvs/6181046168.html)
Not so sure this is a 2000. Mine is a 1999 and I have the same decal design. I wouldn't think that Foretravel would use the same decal design 2 years in a row or would they?
John M
The VIN # shows a Y as the 10th digit and Y represents 2000. The following year 2001 started off again with 1. So it is a 2k model.
JohnH
Hopefully someone buys it that can do a bunch of upgrade/modernization work themself. Looks like a great rig to start with.
I have seen this one for sale prevously. Maybe 12-18 months ago. The price was in the 60's then if I remember correctly.
Foretravel M600 - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://klamath.craigslist.org/rvs/d/foretravel-m600/6254665768.html)
It's a pusher diesel
Just think, someday, a kid will look at one of our coaches, and say, "Geez, that's an old duck." ^.^d
Ad says it has a 440 in it
Grill in the rear. If not for radiator what for?
Large wheels. Side grille
OREG?
Someone should get it before the seller figures it out.
Just emailed seller to find out if this is just a picture he took off the internet or actual picture of the coach. There is a phone number so I don't think scam just maybe used wrong picture.
I called him and left my number. I asked if it was front or rear engine. We will see.
P
I don't put much faith in Craigslist ads with really good prices, minimal description, and only one (exterior only) photo.
Presence of a phone number means nothing.
Not sure on that area but I get leary (no pun intended Mike)when it's in Michigan and palm trees are in the picture,or in Key West
and snow on the ground.
There is an ongoing scam of motorhomes listed on Craigslist with a single picture and poor, uninformed description. One traces to a cell number in New York. Advertises locally but coach always somewhere else. Price always too good to be true. I called on one and learned to spot them. They never have interior photos.
The area code in the ad is for Klamath Falls and it Does give the first name of the gentleman selling. The phone goes to voicemail and I didn't leave a message , but Pierce did.
I talked to Dave, the owner, for a while. It's a front engine 440 Dodge with an Onan generator where the grill is on the side in back. It was owned by the University of Alaska with a professor doing research out of it.
I gave him my address for photos and invited him to join the forum and post info about it.
Will upload any photos I get.
Pierce
This is possibly the worst advertisement of a foretravel I have seen yet... pics takes in the dark? Maybe left a couple 0's off the asking price? Advertised in colorado but really in Wyoming? If there were ever a scam post.. it could be this.
BUT just maybe it's real?
1992 Foretravel Grand Villa Diesel Pusher - rvs - by owner - vehicle... (https://fortcollins.craigslist.org/rvs/d/1992-foretravel-grand-villa/6254665817.html)
I called him... it's sold but the add hasn't disappeared yet. There was a typo. It sold for 6k!
This one looks real... anybody in Florida want to take a look at this one and report back??
1989 fore-travel grand villa diesel pusher - rvs - by owner - vehicle... (https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/chl/rvs/d/1989-fore-travel-grand-villa/6250885551.html)
Please and thank you! If it's convenient.. according to the internet, it is 3,299 miles away from me..
I have talked to the owner. The coach is on an Oskosh chassis V815 which has springs for suspension, hydraulic brakes and 8.2 Detroit engine. This coach would be like the one that nitehawk has. When I was working for Foretravel. I thought that I would get one when I retired as they are a very simple coach to work on, but things worked out differently so I did not. They are a good coach, just not the fastest to the top of big hills.
So, 210 HP DD 8.2 liter 4 stroke V8. NOT 300 HP! 300 HP from that engine would not be good news.
That is correct. From the pictures it looks pretty good. I live about 100 miles away from where it is. It has been for sale for a while. Think he lives around Ft Myers.
Nevermind... once again thanks for the knowledge shortcut.
If that was in Florida I would be all over that and I would be a Foretravel owner again. I worked on many just like that one.
I don't see U300 anywhere on the coach, no 5" chrome exhaust the 2 cycles have and I've never seen a single stainless bumper U300 with the low compartments.
Sorry, thought I had posted the last one earlier. Still, it's the asking price and the later 8.2s cured most of the earlier problems.
Pierce
Yes those were good old coaches
Just spoke with the owner the picture is of a diesel, his is under a tree so he found a picture that looked similar to his coach. He is going to get an actual picture of the coach on the ad later. It has painted wheels and some interesting suspension additions that were done by the university.
I guess taking the pictures in the dark worked,will try that next time I sell something!!!!
I consider that false advertising........ he should have noted that fact in his ad. Buyer beware.
When you talk to him you would know he is not trying to deceive anyone. He just can't get a good picture of the outside without moving it somewhere else for the photo. He will send additional pictures to anyone who asks for them. The add does say it is not a diesel. The main reason for selling is he needs the 35' of room and isn't using the coach. The title of the ad states M-600 which is a Dodge chassis.
Yeah, I was a day late on that one. Even at 6 large it was probably a good deal. Worth driving out to Colorado for a look anyways...
1986 38' Grand Villa for sale on craigslist in Washington, Fox Island which is just west of Tacoma and it looks as though there is one bridge on and off the island. You would have to cross the Tacoma Narrows Bridge (Toll) to get to the other bridge. Asking price is $28,000 and it looks to be in nice shape with around 70K miles on the odometer. It looks to have been kept in doors from the condition but it could just be after detailing too. If it has been kept up as the looks would imply then it would probably be worth the $$$$$. They have just bought a Prevost to replace it.
Foretravel GrandVilla 38' Diesel Pusher - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive... (https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/rvs/d/foretravel-grandvilla-38/6261520811.html)
If it is a full repaint and says new pilots seats, tires are 2016 so for someone it might be a great coach. Surprised it did not show up here for sale at that price but some owners don't know about the ForeForum site. It might be worth a call! Just posted 5 hours ago.
John
I looted at it.. it expires every 2 weeks.
They replaced carpet, some fixtures, the pics are from when he bought it I think. It has spent a couple winters in arizona. They are selling it because some of the places they want to stay say it's too old. 10 yr limit.
He also has a Mercedes unimog for sale. Same price.
Also, I saw no phone number to call so I guess you have to take your chances on responding to the ad through craigslist.
I have his number. I called, then texted eta. It's actually at his shop in Gig Harbor but that still requires the bridge from Tacoma. Lawnmower repair. And when he open the bay door, his friends motorcycle was leaning the wrong way.
He doesn't do texts.. so I guess he removed the number. They are trying to get paid for the interior upgrades.. the carpet was brown. Now it's white-ish. I passed.
Have you seen this in person? I have a buddy near Mount Vernon WA who might be interested. What did you think of it? Do you know how long they have been trying to sell it? Do you have contact information for the seller? (not much info in the CL list).
Thanks,
(253) 405-0240
His name is Bob.
I will be in Gig Harbor again after 8/17, have home their if it helps to have me look at it.
Bridge toll is total of $5 both ways.
Think Bob needs to cut the price in half.
I think it's a little pricey, as well. Usual crappy CL ad. I know that area, there is a little tiny ferry boat that services Fox Island and with a coach that long, the tides are going to be important to load and unload!
One thing he didn't tell me until I saw it... the odometer quit working on the way back from Arizona last spring.
Me being a dumbass, I would make payment contingent on delivery on shore, not island.
Is it in Gig Harbor or Fox Island? Thought there was a bridge to fox island
It's in gig harbor.
Sounds expensive but I live in Gig Harbor, happy to look at and drive if anyone interested. Gig Harbor higher end average income and older age demographic so might be well cared for and owner just aging out
My friend who is looking for a coach is currently traveling overseas. When he gets back I'll see if he has interest in this coach. If he does, your experienced eye would be a great help.
Bob is hoping to sell the coach before they head back to Arizona in November... I suspect knowing that going in, you can play the time pressure and negotiate as fall progresses...
Sounds like a lot of money for a coach of that vintage. It would have to be in amazing condition upstairs and down for that price.
This one looks nice and it sounds like the seller is under-selling on craigslist. 77k diesel pusher..
That's not a lot of miles and San Antonio is a great place to buy a used coach.. Ready, set, sold! Posted a day ago.
1998 40ft Foretravel U320 - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/rvs/d/ft-foretravel-u320/6261027432.html)
The forum is once again getting a little cluttered with individual topics for ads folks are finding elsewhere on the web Post dealing with non member owned Foretravels (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=27050.0)
I am putting all the current discussion in this one topic to keep them together so the forum doesn't start resembling Craigslist (and the forum doesn't provide too much free advertising for non-members) ;) but let's all please keep John's comments in mind.
If you want to let the membership know of an ad you've seen elsewhere that looks like a particularly good coach (not just any old ad), please use this topic. I'll try to purge the old posts every 6 months or so.
If you are personally looking at a specific coach and want to ask about it here, a separate topic to ask questions about that coach is appropriate. I did leave those recent topics as their own rather than merge them here.