Have bendix cruise control re did grounds in engine compartment .No throttle at all check all fuses under dash all good. Not sure where look next . Thanks form been a lot help.
No throttle on cruise or foot throttle? Both? Do you have the schematic for your coach? Can send a PDF.
Pierce
Have look for them make copy thanks been working off bendix PDF off wanderlodge page
Thanks
Had this happen to me, throttle linkage
The linkage ok not best but working order
if air cruise maybe the air cylinder needs to be serviced and possible potentiometer at end of cylinder. I had bad throttle control with the 95 240 and after taking this all apart and greasing internally it was no more problem.
JohnH
Here is the manual and "modified for Foretravel" system schematic. Manual has a trouble shooting section.
Yes, the Bendix system is pretty simple (the throttle part). Strictly AIR. I would take loose the line at the Bendix box (front of engine compartment) to see if air comes out when someone steps on the throttle (yes, with coach air pressure up).
Thank that better PDF than I was working off thank you
Look like need new throttle cable does any one know where find one
Thanks
Doug,
Can you be more specific as to what is broken? I had some problems with my throttle cable about 3 years ago, and did a extensive search for a replacement. My conclusion: they are unobtainable.
The part number on my original throttle cable is "MORSE 303192 47.8" 5745". You can look around, and see if you have any luck finding one. As you have already discovered, the Bluebird owners have this same throttle system on some of their coaches. I found threads on their forum about the cable, and attempts to replace it or repair it. But NOBODY (that I am aware of) ever found a source for a new replacement cable.
What I finally did was "rebuild" my cable. I disconnected it at both ends, and took it to my bench to work on. I found both of the unique ends were still firmly attached to the inner wire core. On mine, the problem was the outer covering for the cable was disintegrating from heat/age. I used a combination of rubber tubing, metallic tape, and heat shrink tubing to pretty much restore the whole outer covering. By simply doing that, I restored the proper function of the cable. It has been working fine for a year since I finished that project.
I documented this in a thread back then, but having a hard time finding it...
Outer cover coming off . instead pushing inner cables it bend up not pushing throttle. I well take off in am see do your fix.
Thanks
Search (advanced) on throttle cable with user Chuck & Jeannie turned up
Williams Controls WM453109 Air Throttle Valve (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=27762.msg229219#msg229219)
among other threads. Is that it?
That is it exactly! Thank you once again for being the most exceptional "Keepers Of The Flame". We would be lost without you.
Doug,
Glad to hear that your problem is most likely "solvable" by rebuilding the cable. ^.^d Let us know how it works out.
While I've got your attention, I noticed on your Profile page that you have entered your build number as 15760. This is incorrect.
The coach build number is the 4th through the 7th characters in your "Model No." found on your factory data plate. See photo below:
I put number on cab .The model 4372 learning . I got rv in tn. It was on form about 5 month ago the handy man. But lot work in it new camera monitor house water pump rebuilt both furnaces redid all furniture ,front end where he ran into deer new fog lights fixed rear end body work if weather will hold will paint this week new running light leds inside with dimmers .New flooring in bath room list goes on. The form been big help. Think you all. Will. Do pic when finshed
Thanks again for all help up running now. Rebuild cable
What about throttle cables for outboard motors? Would one of those work? They come in different lengths I believe.
Not sure screw on to air value hard match
As Doug says (if you can read shorthand), it's not the length that is hard to find - it's the correct cable end connectors. One end has to screw onto the CC-5 air cylinder (see the diagram in my earlier post). To the best of my knowledge, this properly threaded and correct diameter fitting is not available on any currently produced "engine control" cable. Some of the Bluebird guys tried cutting the end off a original (broken) Bendix cable, and attaching it to a new cable. It didn't work.
I have wondered about a hydraulic throttle, to replace air or Morse cable. Master cylinder and slave from a car clutch system. A company named Neal used to make these for hot rods and dune buggies.
OK my turn on the barrel. My throttle cable broke am driving by rope.i need a party number for the throttle cable for my 93 U280 with a Cummins 8.3. We are just East of Pal.yra Maine going to try to make it to Wilton not sure how that's going to go. Don't have my manual for the. Bendix air throttle. Will call FOT later I guess
Roland
Roland, I have a Bendix. Manual in my book it says it for SD- 10-1 not sure I can help.let me know. My # is 406 852-3776
You have to love a mechanical coach.
Roland
Looks like "manual" control.
Had to do that once on I 10 when the Bendix air vent clogged (diagnosed the next day when I had time to tear into it). So throttle would not release. Like you, line to the front. A little complicated when maneuvering.
Roland, can you actually see the cable and the break?? or are you just summizing this as it will not come back to idle??
If you have the Bendix and the above is happening take off the CC5 air cylinder and carefully take it apart then lightly grease the inside bits and re assemble. The one I had on 240 was giving that problem and was fixed after doing what I mention.
Try it if cable not actually broken.
JohnH
John the cable is broken. Haven't taken it off yet. Contacted FOT, they asked for photos and length etc. But I can't seem to get an e.mail through to them. They come back as undeliverable. Even tried to reply to a text they sent me same problem. Something for tomorrow. Got to my brother's place in Sidney and am parked until I can replace the cable.
Roland
My experience has been... FOT does not answer emails promptly if ever.
Jim
2002 U320
Roland, you mean you do not have a spare in box 3??
Check your inventory ^.^d
I loved your method of finding something, that you showed me while in Q
JohnH
There Email to FOT was to send them requested information, photos of the cable ends length of cable. Problem is their Email filter looks at my IP address and interprets it as spam so the message never goes through. Will try tomorrow using my computer.
Roland
Sent Foretravel photos of the cable and ends they will be shipping the throttle cable out tomorrow. Actually i couldn't get through their spam filter so Brent had me send the photos to his personal Email. Can't ask for better support on a twenty four year old coach. Kudos to FOT and Kudos to Brent.
Roland
Roland,
When you get the new cable in hand, be sure to take some photos of it before installation, and post them. Try to show both ends of the cable in detail, and also any labels or identifying numbers on the cable itself. This will be excellent info to have in the Forum archives.
Back when I had my problems with our throttle cable, the FOT parts guys searched high and low, but did not have anything in stock that would work. They found a couple dusty old cables in their parts room, but both the length and the end fittings were incorrect for our coach.
(See link in Reply #12, earlier in this thread)
Since our coaches are "litter mates", I will be very interested to hear if this new cable fits and works correctly!
Will do have photos of the old cable and ends will post those also when I get the new cable.
Roland
Just received the throttle cable from FOT. The cable is about 15 inches shorter then the cables I took out. From what I remember of my conversation with Brent is that they don't have a throttle cable that long and don't remember putting one that long on a coach. I have a call in to Brent to make sure I have that correct.
If that is the case I plan on repositioning the throttle cylinder. Looks like it involves making one air hose longer and rerouting, or extending, the DC hookup on the cylinder. The current assembly is all mounted on the firewall at the foot of the bed, I plan on moving it, the air cylinder only, to the side. I don't think it should make any operational difference.
The party number on the cable is: Morse D303192-33 8IN 5555. Doing a Google search of that part number brings you to the Wanderlodge thread on throttle cables.
I just received a call back from Brent and has indicated that repositioning the throttle cable was not a problem. Great customer service.
Roland
I just ran across this on the web
Morse Cables ยป Hindle Controls (http://www.controlsandcables.com/products-to-sort/morse-cables/)
OK, completed the installation today. Easy Peasy mounted the air cylinder to a steel plate and moved it to the street side works like a charm. Although I haven't taken the coach on the road it appears threat I have full throttle if not that be just an adjustment. FOT part number for that cable according to my invoice is 102619. I have attached a photo, and yes I know the insulation needs replacing but with my other issues this is low on the priority list.
Roland
He meant to say "curb side". Roland is feeling a little woozy from breathing in all that loose insulation dust while working on his project. :dance:
OK got some fresh air yes I did move the cylinder to the curb side. :D
Roland
I just thought his rig was one of those British models made for export.......
Hello fellow Foretravelers!
I have the same issues with the bendix throttle cable and have found a place near me that will make a new one reusing parts from the original as per this thread from the Wanderlodge owners:
Bendix Throttle Cable and Throttle Cylinder(cc-5) - Wanderlodge Owners Group (https://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21272)
California Push-Pull:
California Push-Pull Inc. Cable Specialists Based in Chico, Ca. (http://push-pull.com/)
I emailed them pictures and David seems to remember making the same cable in the past. estimated $60 -$80 to make a new one. I'm sending them my old one today, will update when it comes back.
Update:
got the cable back and works great. I did notice we had more power on the Freeway as per a previous post about the old cable not allowing WOT. Sorry I cannot remember where that post was. Also made a new mounting plate from a 3/8" thick fiberglass sheet from McMaster Carr & stainless hardware. (because I have OCD)
Cheers.
Thanks Myron, for this valuable find. If they come through with a useable rebuilt cable, this will be of great interest to all of us with the Bendix air throttle & cruise control.
Looking forward to your report!
Thanks Myron, for the update to your post (above). Glad to hear the cable works correctly. So what was the total turn around time from the day you sent your old cable in to be rebuilt? And, if you don't mind saying, what was the final price for the rebuild?
Total turnaround time was about a week. It cost $68 something plus shipping. Sorry I thought I included that info in the update, but it's been a long week.
Cheers
If they have all the specs for the cable. I would like to purchase one and replace my old one. I'll keep the original as a spare and sleep better at night while traveling.
I would think they could sell several of these. Quickly.
Nice idea, but won't work. If you refer to Reply #41 above, you'll see that they use the parts off your old cable to make the new one.
Yep
Missed that point in my excitement.
Now we need someone to fabricate those OEM parts.
A spare cable on board would be awesome.