Foretravel Motorhome Forums => Foretravel Discussions => Topic started by: Paully on July 16, 2017, 01:12:12 am
Title: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 16, 2017, 01:12:12 am
Hi, I'm new. Looking to displace myself and have an opportunity to buy a Foretravel. I've been reading as much as I can find. My head hurts from all the possibilities.
My budget is small.. Looking at late 80's and early 90's. I'm selling the farm and setting off on a grand adventure. Based of what I've learned in the last month, all i know is i know nothing. Whats a fair price? From my research, I would rather but a 20 year old fortravel than a 10 year old crap trap.
There is a 1991 2 stroke detriot diesel in town. 300k and running strong. You know more than I do.. what's it worth? The interior is good for the age.. I have read as much as I can google on the engine. Some love it, those that don't have it poo poo it. I'm likely to have a hard time finding a good mechanic. 7 gallons of straight 40 weight is no joke. Any advice, tips, watch outs?
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: wolfe10 on July 16, 2017, 08:17:38 am
Paully,
Welcome to the ForeForum.
At that age, value can vary quite widely from "it would be a money pit if you got it for free" to $20k.
If you have a link to the coach or give us more info, we may be able to give you more help. Someone here may even have first hand info on the coach.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: stump on July 16, 2017, 08:25:26 am
I have a 91 myself with the Detroit 6V92TA 2 stroke. I like the Detroit myself. they are not common anymore but they are very dependable. The 91 were the last year I think for the rear radiator and fan. I like it myself, much simpler system than the hydraulic fan motor setups on the 92 and up. The level system is simple and mechanical also. Whats it worth is hard to say.How much is seller asking? You need to read about bulkhead failure and inspect the coach for any rot in the basement bulkhead. There is a lot of information on this here on the forum,use the search feature.. Where is the coach located? There might be a forum member coach owner near that could take a look at it with you and try and see any issues with it. If you can get the Vin number that will tell you about which model and length it is. Good luck
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: kb0zke on July 16, 2017, 08:32:48 am
Besides the bulkhead inspection, take a look at the tires and batteries. They will probably age out before wearing out, so check the date codes. The appliances may also be on their last legs. Lots to check.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on July 16, 2017, 10:41:57 am
Welcome to the forum, we bought our coach a couple of years ago, and are still learning. Stick with this bunch, we all have different opinions on size, type, year, etc., but are always willing to help! Don't rush into anything, know what your budget is and have some cash set aside for "incidentals", they do come up. This forum has a great classified section. We looked for a year to get familiar with FT coaches and found our sweetie on RVTrader.com: RV Sales - Class A, B, C Motorhomes, Travel Trailers, & Pop Up... (http://www.rvtrader.com), a good source. We knew enough after a year, what we were looking for and paid $10,000 more than normal asking, because everything in the coach had either been replaced, re-built and restored. It was "turn-key", we did not want a project. Good luck
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on July 16, 2017, 11:22:45 am
Paully,
An older coach can be worse than a money pit with all the frustrations and disappointments you may encounter. Corrosion is by far the number one problem and priority to check when buying any coach. Especially an older coach. A coach based in a northern state is very suspect. Everything from the electrical system to the bulkhead can and will cause problems if there are either basement leaks or damage from road salt. So, do a good undercarriage inspection before going any further. The rear radiator is a problem for access but is probably a better setup than the side radiator. So many potential problems, especially if on the road. The extra 50 hp the later Detroits have is eaten up by the hydraulic system along with more fuel.
I have worked on and driven a lot of diesels. The Detroit two stroke was by far my #1 choice for a coach engine. I have tried to beat them into submission in the fire service and had one in my bus but never could get one to cry uncle. I think they are the most reliable engine you can buy if taken care of with the proper oil used at changes. Ours takes 5.5 gallons of oil including filter at changes. It has averaged exactly 8.0 mpg over it's 100,000 mile life (ECU data not owner exaggeration) so far and used 2.5 quarts of oil in our last 6000 mile trip across the U.S. and back. The '91 should get a little better at 96 inches wide and no hydraulic system. All Detroit two cycles installed in Foretravels are electronic engines and have a very reliable ECU. All engine information/history can be accessed with a fairly inexpensive tool like the Pro-Link 9000. The electronic controlled Allison MTB 648 is a good transmission but not quite as heavy duty as the 746 used in the later U300s. 300hp is the maximum with less torque capacity than the 746. It should have lockup so will get good mileage and power. Incidentally, Mercedes/Detroit Diesel still makes the 6V-92TA for use for the military and around the world.
So, at 300,000 miles with zero corrosion, it's probably worth $12-14K depending on any upgrades and condition. The mileage limits the number of potential buyers along with the 96 inch width. If it has any corrosion/bulkhead damage, it's worth zero or should be if a buyer has any sense. A coach with 300K will show interior wear unless upgrades have been done. Several interior designs were available and lengths from 36 to 40 feet. If you are going to be using it in the west, the shorter coach may have advantages.
So, get a member to help inspect if possible or at least post lots of high resolution photos to a online site like Google Photos and post the link here.
Pierce
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Tim Fiedler on July 16, 2017, 12:43:08 pm
Take a look at Dave Heads coach - he is a member here on forum in your price range, and more than fairly priced
Did you look at the classifieds on this message board?
Detroits great motors, go a long way with good maintenance - Pierce can chime in
Detroits getting hard to find technicians that can fix if something goes wrong, you will likely park the coach next to a lake and not move it - $$$$$$$$$ more than coach is worth to fix.
Tim Fiedler
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Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 16, 2017, 04:19:45 pm
Thanks for the information. I'm making a list of things to check, starting with the bulkhead...
There are actually 2 rigs for sale nearby. I'm on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington. Both of them seem expensive given the NADA value of 11K, but I suppose with 25 year old motorhomes... the average between zero and 20k is 10k. Its either junk or not. I have no idea if the owners of these Foretravels are members here.
1991 Foretravel Unihome U300 36' Class A motorhome - rvs - by owner -... (https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rvs/d/foretravel-unihome-class/6215508589.html) Foretravel GrandVilla 38' Diesel Pusher - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive... (https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/rvs/d/foretravel-grandvilla/6213308033.html)
I've only found a couple videos on youtube of Foretravel motorhomes or 8v92 Detroit Diesels.. and yes, i'm searching the forums for extra information. I'll check out the classifieds here too.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Lon and Cheryl on July 16, 2017, 04:33:21 pm
If you are able to do most all repairs yourself it might be worth a look. If you have to pay for labor? Buying the coach might be the least expensive part of ownership. Repairs/updates will kill you!
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Caflashbob on July 16, 2017, 04:55:54 pm
Nada book requires adding for every single option in the front of the book.
It's for the lenders as every option could have been deleted for credit new
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Miz Dani on July 16, 2017, 06:12:53 pm
"You might be more comfortable talking with them. Michelle, Dani, Carol and Nancy come to mind."
Thanks for the plug, Mike, but I'm a whole lot better at writing checks than anything else...Michelle is the whiz kid in the neighborhood....I know Hans & Marjet have a DD as well, maybe we'll hear from them.....
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 16, 2017, 07:47:04 pm
Both the sellers are asking almost 30k for these 26 and 29 year old Foretravels. Both of them have had them for 20 yrs ish... They have different engines. One is a cat with low miles. One is a DD with high miles. Both have been taken care of. Either way I'm hoping to talk the sellers down as much as possible.
I believe in maintenance. I prefer to do the routine things myself so I can be the first to see any changes and I know the rig gets put back together correctly. And of course up high quality parts and manufacturer recommendations. I don't buy Fram filter and flinch ever time i pass a Jiffy Lube.
As I understand things about RV life so far... Tires = replace at 6 years Batteries = 5 years Refrigerator, stove, w/d, microwave, lights, fixtures, tv's, radios's & toilet = at any time inverters, pumps, belts, hoses = 10 to 12 years engine & transmission = Death
How often do the breaks and airbags need replaced?
What I like about the Detroit Diesel is its simplicity. I have never had a diesel. I work around heavy equipment and live near a bunch of boats. Those things seem to be the home for a lot of 6v92 and 8v92 engines. I've got a few friends i plan to ask about the engine that i know from work... The owner has an oil analysis and has changed the oil way too often (always strait 40w), started and driven the rig regularly along with the generator. 330 k with a little over 7000 hours on the engine. Means he has averaged a lost 47 mph. That's high for an average speed :). Its been to every corner of the USA and been back to the Foretravel factory a few times.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 16, 2017, 08:02:57 pm
The cl add says 70k miles and 3208 Cat... the links to the two Foretravels are in my earlier post..
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on July 17, 2017, 10:19:12 am
Tires = replace at 6 years Batteries = 5 years Refrigerator, stove, w/d, microwave, lights, fixtures, tv's, radios's & toilet = at any time inverters, pumps, belts, hoses = 10 to 12 years engine & transmission = Death How often do the breaks and airbags need replaced?
Some replace tires at 7 years, others 10. I have seen a Bridgestone site where they recommend a 15 year maximum for their casings used in recaps. If a fridge is still in a 1990 motorhome, it's due for replacement. We still have the OEM inverter/charger/pumps. Silicone hoses should last the life of the vehicle. Our rubber heater hoses are still original. Inspect airbags especially if you notice frequent air compressor cycling. Some slight cracking at the bottom is OK but if you can see the fabric cords, it's time to replace. Always carry a spare plus a couple of tools to change them. Coaches with little or no corrosion generally have longer brake life as the calipers are less likely to stick. Retarders or Jake brakes will greatly extend the life of the pads. 3208 CATs are parent bore engines but very reliable so should last the life of the coach. They will have much less power compared to a 6V-92TA. Turbo models will be stronger. Just replaced the start batteries at 8 years. Deep cycle AGM coach batteries may last longer.
Pierce
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 18, 2017, 08:31:38 pm
I did look at Dave Head's coach... looks great, but Florida is over 3000 miles away. That factors into the purchase..
I really appreciate the advice and the help.. if you see or know of a foretravel under 30k for sale in the Pacific Northwest... please let me know!
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: craneman on July 18, 2017, 09:41:51 pm
We drove 2,400+ miles to buy the coach we have now. Good F.T.'s are hard to find. Dave's coach should cover that distance and you would have something way better than what you are looking at in the N.W. We had the advantage of a tow vehicle and drove both ways. In your situation I would fly and get it. Tim, here on the forum flew from the east coast to Ca. and bought his 34' coach.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 18, 2017, 09:52:16 pm
Hmmm. Duly noted. Thanks
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: prfleming on July 18, 2017, 09:56:20 pm
My son and I flew to Florida and drove our '91 U300 1700 miles back to Minneapolis. Was a tight no rust no slide coach with 120k miles and had 4 good years with it.
The 6V92 DDEC started to act up, sold it to a truck guy who was familiar with fixing/replacing the DDEC.
$29k is high. I bought ours for $18k in 2012 on eBay.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 18, 2017, 10:53:11 pm
Nice.. ebay. Haven't looked there yet.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Caflashbob on July 18, 2017, 11:44:46 pm
These are one in a hundred thousand products. 3,000 uni somethings and 320 million people.
Would not think twice to fly across the country to look at a possible vouched for keeper coach.
Visualize the floorpan in your mind. If you can picture yourself living in it get on a plane IMO
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Jet Doc on July 19, 2017, 12:11:56 am
Spending a week on the road and $1500 in fuel to get a good coach home would be far better than a month or more in the shop and ??? $$$ on repairs for a close to home unknown. A cross country road trip is a great way to get acquainted with a new-to-you coach. ^.^d
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: John Haygarth on July 19, 2017, 01:06:37 am
I have been to Dallas to buy a 240, Seattle to buy a 225, Costa Mesa to buy current U295 and Geoff and I flew to NJ to get their 240. Drove all of them back to BC, only the Dallas 240 gave troubles. 3000 miles is nothing more than 3-4 days on the road and as was mentioned before a good way to find out about it. JohnH
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: twobus on July 20, 2017, 01:14:37 pm
If they are close to you, by all means go look at em. If nothing else you will get an insight into floorplans and finsishes. But keep looking. We paid 13k for our 3208 '89 u280 and have only needed to put another 5 or so into it including tires in the ensuing 4 years. On this forum, go find and print out the 50 things to look at when buying a used foretravel post. In my opinion 1989 to 1993 or so is the sweet spot for build quality vs depreciation. Think yacht, more than motorhome. I would not trade Moby the Road Condo for any new some other brand, to be honest. My idea of "luxury" means not having to fuss with the coach. The right one is out there...
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on July 20, 2017, 01:47:11 pm
In my opinion 1989 to 1993 or so is the sweet spot for build quality vs depreciation. Think yacht, more than motorhome.
X2! ^.^d
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on July 20, 2017, 02:04:47 pm
Echo above. We looked at several close but flew across the U.S. to buy ours. 3000 miles later, we were pretty well acquainted with the coach. Over 40K and eight years later, no mandatory expenses except for a couple of air bags and new engine batteries about 4 days ago. Great coach if you take your time buying. Can cause premature grey hair otherwise.
Pierce
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 20, 2017, 11:27:28 pm
Hmmm.. as I am sure you guys already know, looking for a used rv is as much about reading people as inspecting everything.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: wolfe10 on July 21, 2017, 10:01:58 am
Hmmm.. as I am sure you guys already know, looking for a used rv is as much about reading people as inspecting everything.
I thought about not commenting, but having done mechanical inspections on DP's for two decades, there are a number of owners (and even some of the better ones) who "desire" to do what is needed to keep their coach in top condition. But, that desire does not always translate into action.
Some due to lack of knowledge-- lack of air dryer service resulting in thousands of dollars of damage to the air suspension and air brake systems comes to mind.
Some from lack of "analness". Have inspected 3 coaches over the years where the rear bulkhead was destroyed by a leak at a 5 cent washer. Ya, water leaking into the wet bay for a long time will do that.
And, the vast majority of owners could care less about maintenance. Same applies to their cars, houses, etc. It used to shock me the few number of owners who have ever even done an internet search on a technical issue with their coach. Ya, as moderator of three RV websites (this one, the Diesel RV Club Technical Website and the FMCA Forum), when I do seminars on motorhome maintenance at the FMCA conventions and someone asks about a problem on their coach, I DO ask-- what research have you done on the problem. Suspect you already know the answer.
Stepping off soap box now.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on July 21, 2017, 10:15:29 am
And, the vast majority of owners could care less about maintenance. Same applies to their cars, houses, etc. It used to shock me the few number of owners who have ever even done an internet search on a technical issue with their coach.
Sad but true. I remember when I was a kid, everyone would wash their cars on Saturday. People had more time to take weekend rides. As a nation, we only take 8 days of vacation a year and must constantly keep our noses to the grindstone with up to three jobs to try and pay down monumental credit card debt, college loans, insurance, rent, home loans and property taxes, etc. Is it any wonder we never lift the hood of our vehicles? Ever notice how many businesses are open on "holidays"?
In Germany, we could not mow lawns, go shopping or do most anything after 2pm on Saturday. Better have it together before the weekend comes around. Sundays were for relaxing with only a few designated service stations open and most restaurants. Lots of holidays and long vacations. No one would think about not taking their full vacation. And then we have the French...
Brett, it's not that we would not like to do the right thing but most of us are too burned out from being stuck in the passing lane. As an avid Mexican traveler, you know exactly what I mean.
Pierce
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on July 21, 2017, 11:14:43 am
it's not that we would not like to do the right thing but most of us are too burned out from being stuck in the passing lane
Very true, when I had my business, it was 24-7 and the DW would ORDER me to take a break. When we looked at our second Airstream, it had been completely restored, perfect! I had to ask the salesman why anyone would sell this coach. He looked down and told me it was owned by a guy who was getting ready for retirement and going to follow his dreams. Two weeks before "the big moment", he had a heart attack and passed-on. That comment changed my life! ^.^d
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 21, 2017, 09:19:11 pm
Some due to lack of knowledge-- lack of air dryer service resulting in thousands of dollars of damage to the air suspension and air brake systems comes to mind.
Some from lack of "analness". Have inspected 3 coaches over the years where the rear bulkhead was destroyed by a leak at a 5 cent washer. Ya, water leaking into the wet bay for a long time will do that.
Stepping off soap box now.
Thanks wolfe..
I need more help. I have searched bulkhead.. lots of verbal but few good pics so far. I am still not sure what the bulkhead is.
I am looking at an ungaraged, lightly used Foretravel. Any small leak could have gone bad. And what is an air dryer?
Not stupid questions... just stupid people.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: John Haygarth on July 21, 2017, 11:19:21 pm
With these questions I would humbly suggest you do as Brett said and use Google to find and learn about these basic items. If you do not, these "basic items" can cost you a small fortune. I allways like to do a search and read the technical side of the items and look at the diagrams etc. You can also do a "You tube" video of just about anything and that will give you a really good idea of what is needed and how to do it. I would also suggest reading every item on the Beamalarm site relating to your coach ( or one you would like) JohnH
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Jimmyjnr on July 22, 2017, 12:09:50 am
Buying a well maintained coach from a forum member is your best option, second option get a member to do an inspection but be prepared to waste time and money looking for the right one Good luck
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Jeff & Sandy on July 22, 2017, 08:08:40 am
I spent just over a year learning enough to feel comfortable to start looking for a FT. This forum is an incredible resource, mostly due to the generosity of its members and their willingness to share knowledge and experience.
I'd suggest you spend some time digging through old threads to learn as much as you can. It will be worth it.
When you find a good coach be sure to get a thorough pre purchase inspection by an experienced third party inspector.
We used Brett Wolfe and are glad that we did.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 23, 2017, 06:32:34 pm
I've looked at 2 Foretravels so far... a 1991 with 330k miles that's probably worth 10k asking 29k. And a 1986 that's got 70k on the non working odometer that's maybe worth 15k asking 28k.
I know people love these machines, but you can't tack 15k onto the sale price because you love it. Just keep it...
Thanks to Pierce, I've got a lead on another one... a 1995 with 47k and a motivated seller that's not in love with the memories.. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Bill & Kim on July 23, 2017, 06:54:52 pm
I've looked at 2 Foretravels so far... a 1991 with 330k miles that's probably worth 10k asking 29k. And a 1986 that's got 70k on the non working odometer that's maybe worth 15k asking 28k.
I know people love these machines, but you can't tack 15k onto the sale price because you love it. Just keep it...
Thanks to Pierce, I've got a lead on another one... a 1995 with 47k and a motivated seller that's not in love with the memories.. Fingers crossed!
Saw this on the San Antonio Craigslist... Foretravel Motorhome - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/rvs/d/foretravel-motorhome/6204253430.html), this: https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/rvs/d/foretravel/6203632870.html, this 1996 295 40' Foretravel - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/rvs/d/foretravel/6210825511.html), and.... lastly, this: 1998 40ft Foretravel U320 - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/rvs/d/ft-foretravel/6146312653.html).
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on July 23, 2017, 07:04:56 pm
Quote from: Paully link=msg=280621 date=1500849154 1995 with 47k and a motivated seller that's not in love with the memories.. Fingers crossed![/quote
If it's one of these, especially a CAT, 6 speed, go for it. Low mileage is a concern, but big deal. Let us know. We like pics!
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 23, 2017, 07:07:48 pm
When I finally find one... there will be pics. :)
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 23, 2017, 07:20:21 pm
One thing I've learned/remembered... if it looks to good to be true, it probably is...
1993 Foretravel U300 - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rvs/d/foretravel/6231657366.html)
I've sent this fellow 2 messages.. he just keeps asking for my email address... via email?!
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: wolfe10 on July 23, 2017, 07:22:51 pm
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Old phart phred on July 23, 2017, 10:24:20 pm
Note pictures were taken in 2005
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: red tractor on July 24, 2017, 10:23:53 pm
Hydraulic brakes, springs, non turbo 3208. I have worked on many of them like that.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 24, 2017, 11:15:56 pm
Here's looker...
1994 FORETRAVEL UNIHOME CLASS A MOTOR HOME 36 FT. - rvs - by owner - vehicle... (https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/d/foretravel-unihome-class/6182550653.html)
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 24, 2017, 11:35:49 pm
Holy cow this things is still for sale... I've watched the you tube video half a dozen times. There is not much on you tube as far as foretravel's go.
Foretravel 36' diesel pusher ,000 - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/rvs/d/foretravel-diesel-pusher/6197431487.html)
And the you tube..
AVAILABLE ; Foretravel unihome Grand Villa 1992 motorhome for sale ,000 -... (https://youtu.be/BwC5PrsulTc)
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Caflashbob on July 24, 2017, 11:46:11 pm
I like the 98. Except the second closet sliding door mirror directly across from the toilet.
Plus I assume it needs everything
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 25, 2017, 02:10:23 pm
This has to be one of a kind... can't quite make out the name stenciled under the driver window. Looks like "princess" maybe?
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on July 25, 2017, 02:12:16 pm
"Private Coach"
P
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 27, 2017, 04:28:41 pm
1988 Foretravel Grand Villa RV MotorHome - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotiv... (https://tucson.craigslist.org/rvs/d/foretravel-grand-villa-rv/6234118924.html)
Cheap foretravel... interesting layout. Twin beds, rear bath, and a back window!
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: wolfe10 on July 27, 2017, 04:40:12 pm
1988 Foretravel Grand Villa RV MotorHome - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotiv... (https://tucson.craigslist.org/rvs/d/foretravel-grand-villa-rv/6234118924.html)
Cheap foretravel... interesting layout. Twin beds, rear bath, and a back window!
That is a gasoline rig.
So, likely a John Deere or Oskhosh chassis with Ford 460 and 3 speed transmission. Worse fuel MPG than most of the 40' diesel Foretravels weighing 3+ times as much.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 27, 2017, 04:42:59 pm
That says rear engine gas... with the aft bathroom, it's probably front engine?
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Post by: wolfe10 on July 27, 2017, 05:26:35 pm
Sorry, you are correct, the link I posted (and removed because it was incorrect) was to an OREG (Oshkosh Rear Engine Gas).
Pictures look like FRONT ENGINE.
That year, Foretravel made both front and rear engine gas chassis motorhomes.
As far as I know, all used the Ford 460 gas engine.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: red tractor on July 27, 2017, 09:40:53 pm
That is on a John Deere chassis
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Paully on July 27, 2017, 09:43:57 pm
Ah.. thanks. It's cheap! That will cover a lot of gas. And less than 40k original miles. We'll see how long it lasts.
Title: Re: Shorten the learning curve..
Post by: Caflashbob on July 28, 2017, 12:09:31 am
Sold a lot of RBT coaches back then
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Post by: Old phart phred on July 28, 2017, 02:07:21 am
Ah.. thanks. It's cheap! That will cover a lot of gas. And less than 40k original miles. We'll see how long it lasts.
They are cheap, they are low mileage, put 2+2 together. In a heavy vehicle like a foretravel, they may be severely overworked, and may prone to overheating. Climb grades at 30-40 mph at near maximum rpms. If you travel the flatlands without headwinds, could work for you. Replacing an engine on a van or front Engine coach may be very difficult at Best equals $$$
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Post by: Paully on July 28, 2017, 10:38:18 pm
Ok.. the guy I am asking about an rv doesn't have the keys atm, but he took a picture of the exhaust for me.
I have seen a 1991 DD 2 stroke exhaust.. what's the 8.2 DD look like? Any difference?
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Post by: Old phart phred on July 29, 2017, 12:47:43 am
DD 6V92 two stroke will be at least 5" and a brute of an engine, DD hate.2 may be 3 or 4" my best guess. Hate.2 4 stroke engines are probably a decent engine, as long as you run them lightly loaded, run them hard and a blown head gaskets may occur. FT coaches with the 8.2 DD tend to be as cheap as a gasser.
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Post by: Paully on July 31, 2017, 10:03:54 pm
Well, I'm starting to look at destination purchase... there one in texas that sounds good. And there's one in idaho.
Both 8.3 cummins. Now I need to read up on that engine.
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Post by: Old phart phred on August 01, 2017, 09:35:17 am
Kerrville TX grand Villa approach with caution, there may be a forum member nearby who can look see. Could not get straight answers out of Vincent as he was apparently under the influence by noon. they have been living in it for some time. Don't know if it's a scam or not.
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Post by: Paully on August 01, 2017, 06:48:24 pm
Thanks old phart! Not looking at a Kerrville.. it's in Tyler. And one outside Boise.. both 8.3 cummins. I searched, but haven't learned much. Sounds like the M11 is a good one. Lots of places to get it serviced relative to the Detroit Diesel.
Please, is anybody see's a good 1991 to 1995, and you aren't in the market... send it to me :)
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Post by: craneman on August 01, 2017, 06:49:36 pm
Thanks old phart! Not looking at a Kerrville.. it's in Tyler. And one outside Boise.. both 8.3 cummins. I searched, but haven't learned much. Sounds like the M11 is a good one. Lots of places to get it serviced relative to the Detroit Diesel.
Please, is anybody see's a good 1991 to 1995, and you aren't in the market... send it to me :)
M-11 is not 8.3
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Post by: Paully on August 01, 2017, 06:52:40 pm
Right.. I still don't know if the 8.3 is good. The M11 I was looking at, seems like the guy doesn't want to sell.
I will be pulling a mini... but still need something that can handle altitude.
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Post by: wolfe10 on August 01, 2017, 06:55:18 pm
Just a point of interest: You will never wear out a higher-end diesel engine due to miles or age. ABUSE or more likely NEGLECT-- absolutely.
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Post by: Paully on August 01, 2017, 07:00:07 pm
Really? Ok. There is an 8v92 local with 330k wants 30k. 100k for 20k someplace else still seems better.
no 8v92's in Foretravels
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Post by: Paully on August 01, 2017, 07:51:02 pm
I stand corrected. Then I have seen a 1991 and a 1992 6v92 engines that did not look alike. One was rear radiator, one was side.. ?
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Post by: prfleming on August 01, 2017, 07:53:26 pm
I believe 1991 was the last year for 6V92 rear radiator.
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Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on August 01, 2017, 08:03:01 pm
Yes, 1991, but perhaps a turbo/exhaust wrap gave it a different look if you could even see the rear radiator Detroit engine. '92 was also the first year of the 102" coaches. The only 8 cylinders were the 8.2 liter four cycle Detroit. There is enough room to put the 8V-92TA in though. The HT746 should handle it.
Pierce
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Post by: Chuck Pearson on August 01, 2017, 08:38:36 pm
Right.. I still don't know if the 8.3 is good. The M11 I was looking at, seems like the guy doesn't want to sell.
I will be pulling a mini... but still need something that can handle altitude.
Okay, I've got about 75K miles now on a U295 with 8.3. Total mileage close to 150K. I pull a tandem enclosed trailer, loaded weight about 5K lbs. Our trips typically traverse the Rockies, Cascades, Bighorns. This is a very simple, ultra reliable engine, with no electronics and the legendary inline Bosch pump. Mine has never left me beside the road. There will be zero problem pulling a mini. It will easily cruise above legal speeds on rolling hills, any altitude. Parts are plentiful and cheap, self service is simple. Only known weakness is the exhaust manifolds can shrink and leak...I've replaced mine. Check for exhaust leaks around exhaust ports on heads. Skillful driving is called for on steep pulls, take a run at em, downshift to keep revs up, on a long 6% grade in hot weather you will be pulling at 35-40 mph max near the crest. Another 150 hp will get you up about 10 mph faster. This engine is quite similar to the 12 valve cummins diesel in the older Dodge pickups if you're familiar with them. Big difference is more displacement of course, and liners. Wonderful, easy to love engine, though I would like to upgrade coaches I always choke up when I think about giving up my ultra reliable, economical mill. Remove the garbage can muffler and put a resonator on it.
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Post by: its toby on August 01, 2017, 08:45:24 pm
I love my 8.3 with a six speed. Not too many big hills around here. It will do 80 mph not towing no problem and 70 towing the dodge caravan. Found power acceptable on hills in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts if you get a run at them. Have had a peak of 13 mpg and no lower than 10. Thats in a 94 280 36 ft.
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Post by: Chuck Pearson on August 01, 2017, 08:52:23 pm
Right on Toby, that's good mileage and performance similar to my rig. I've started running faster these days, so my mileage is in the 8+ range. 300 hp and I'm using every one of them, temp never goes over 200, doesn't bother the engine a bit. Strong like bull. Sings like a p.o'd bird with the resonator, lets her breathe.
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Post by: its toby on August 01, 2017, 08:56:13 pm
And they are a simple engine. Sooner or later they will become a dinosaur to parts departments. I am willing to wait for parts I can change myself or get replaced quickly for a lower labor cost. Electronics are great until they break.
As for driving speed it increases with the decibel level from the munchkin.
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Post by: Chuck Pearson on August 01, 2017, 09:08:30 pm
They are a simple engine. You can buy a remanufactured short block for less than it costs to replace the injection pump on the later model electronic engines. I've never had to futz with the pump on this engine, but the last Bosch P7100 I had rebuilt was less than $1K from local shop.
But pushing a 28K lb coach with a 5K trailer with 300 hp means you will be actively involved in driving, the higher HP engines give you a cushion of performance. Gotta know your priorities....they'll both get you to the same place at the end of the day.