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Title: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: Vectra930 on October 22, 2017, 09:56:10 am
Have a small dripping leak behind the draws under the stove.  There is a pipe coming from the rear and turning 90 degrees up to near the counter then there is what seems to be an air vent then going back down  to another pipe returning to the rear,  This air vent is dripping from the top.  Took it out and replaced iy with a new one and it is also dripping.  Drip is definitely coming from the top and not from the connections.
Does anyone know what this is for.  Thinking of bypassing it??????  Will it affect anything
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: Michelle on October 22, 2017, 10:10:30 am
Photo?

ETA if by "air vent" you're referring to an air admittance valve, dripping from the top might mean the pipe is full of grey water/not draining properly.  You don't want to bypass an air admittance valve.
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: Vectra930 on October 22, 2017, 10:23:42 am
See black thing at top
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: Vectra930 on October 22, 2017, 10:26:18 am
The air admittance for the gray tank is behind these pipes
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: John Haygarth on October 22, 2017, 10:30:36 am
Looks like this is a kind of backflow preventer. Can you remove it and take it apart as diapraghm may be the problem??
JohnH
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: DavidS on October 22, 2017, 10:38:05 am
if its the air admittance valve they are 5$ at the hardware store and screw on .. As easy as Miyagi wax on wax off principle.
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 22, 2017, 10:40:50 am
Looks more like the leaking water is running down the white water hoses.  The square thing in photo looks kinda like the device in this link:

JR Products 571-VAC-CHK-A RV Vacuum Breaker/Check Valve - Walmart.com (https://www.walmart.com/ip/JR-Products-571-VAC-CHK-A-RV-Vacuum-Breaker-Check-Valve/55485989?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1148&adid=22222222227069701866&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=177058705606&wl4=pla-305839448594&wl5=9026906&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=112562587&wl11=online&wl12=55485989&wl13=&veh=sem)
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 22, 2017, 10:49:51 am
Found some threads on other forums complaining of leaks from these devices.  Here is one sample:

Black Tank Flush Check Valve - B & B Molders Model 571 - iRV2 Forums (http://www.irv2.com/forums/f103/black-tank-flush-check-valve-b-and-b-molders-model-571-a-192351.html)
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on October 22, 2017, 10:58:44 am
Looks like it is normally associated with a holding tank flushing system.  Seems to be a common source of trouble, and often removed:

293SBH Black Tanks Flush - Check Valve backwards - Keystone RV Forums (http://www.keystoneforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22496)
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: Old phart phred on October 22, 2017, 11:13:38 am
Valve upstream of vacuum breaker must not be sealing all the way, check or replace valve upstream first
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter ***resolved****
Post by: Vectra930 on October 22, 2017, 01:05:55 pm
Thanks to all the replies here we did resolve the problem.  It is in fact part of the black tank flush system. I had a short hose continuously  connected from the outside faucet to the flush system.  So I ran the flush and we could feel water running thru the lines and the leak stopped.  After this test I disconnected the hose and a significant amount of water came out of the connection.  There now is no water in those lines in the picture and the leak stopped.
My conclusion is that having the small hose connected all the time  was the cause .

Thanks again to all that replied and especially the pictures which were exactly like what I have.  Who would have thought that something from the black tank would be way up under the kitchen counter??????
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: Old phart phred on October 22, 2017, 03:02:14 pm
That style of vacuum breaker has to be elevated to function properly, and they can an do spit water if for some reason the downstream pressure is higher than upstream pressure.
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: Michelle on October 22, 2017, 07:39:11 pm
Thanks to all the replies here we did resolve the problem.  It is in fact part of the black tank flush system. I had a short hose continuously  connected from the outside faucet to the flush system. 

My conclusion is that having the small hose connected all the time  was the cause .

Curious - do you have an aftermarket switch-operated black tank flush or were you using a Y-connector on the shore water?  Normally one doesn't leave the tank flush hooked up, especially with the black valve closed, because you do risk filling the black tank...
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: Vectra930 on October 23, 2017, 07:08:58 am
I was using a 4 foot white hose connected to the faucet in the wet bay.  The hose was attached to the built in black tank spray connection.  I have not used the faucet for anything else so  just left the hose connected.  I guess if the faucet got accidentally partially open I would have filled the black tank.  Anyway after this leak experience I will no longer leave it connected.  This just proves the old adage that you are never to old to learn.

Again I want to thank every one who helped me.
I have had this complex coach less than a year.    This site is assume.
 
Title: Re: Leak under KItchen counter
Post by: lgshoup on October 23, 2017, 11:32:54 am
Those vents aren't for the tank but the trap associated with whatever sink the pipe comes from. The roof vent is for venting the tank.