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Title: Need info on what this is
Post by: hdff on November 02, 2017, 06:41:56 pm
Went by to check something on my coach today. Heard the 12 V air compressor in the basement running and open the doors to investigate. This valve was open letting the air out and would not let the pressure buildup so the compressor was running continuously. What is this little device under this air bowl and where do these wires go. And how do I get it to close so the line will pressure up?
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on November 02, 2017, 06:58:17 pm
That's the auxiliary compressor's solenoid purge valve.  I believe it is normally open and when the compressor comes on 12VDC is applied which closes it. You might remove the bowl and have a look at the valve to see if something is physically keeping it from closing and/or follow the two wires to see what energizes them.  It may be the solenoid that most of the other wires in that system are attached to.

 
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Michelle on November 02, 2017, 07:09:45 pm
That's the auxiliary compressor's solenoid purge valve. 
 

Yes, and the bane of many (ok, two people I know  ;)  ).  Corrosion, debris, etc. can cause problems sealing when the aux compressor runs.

HWH Solenoid Valve Rebuild (http://www.irvblog.com/foretravel%20projects/HWH-Solenoid-Valve-Rebuild/)
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on November 02, 2017, 08:23:50 pm
What's the white substance in the bottom of the bowl and in the valve opening?  It almost looks like it could be desiccant powder or mineral build-up.
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on November 02, 2017, 08:28:08 pm
Mineral deposits or general crud.  No dessicant dryer in 2000.
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Michelle on November 02, 2017, 08:34:33 pm
That bowl is also notorious for developing cracks at the fittings where the solenoid screws in.  You can order replacement bowls, but apparently that one is somewhat unique to HWH/Foretravel compared to other Parker Wilkerson parts.  It's P/N PS721P (HWH part number RAP90539). This is a 06L Poly Bowl with 1/8 Connector.

HWH Filters and Bowls (http://www.irvblog.com/foretravel%20projects/HWH-Filters/)
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: hdff on November 02, 2017, 09:03:12 pm
I will go back when I'm prepared to work on it, I wasn't today, no tools no light no time. The compressor was running blowing out the hole in the solenoid opening. Does the bowl just screw off? I cut the hot wire to the compressor to get it to stop running till I can check it out
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 02, 2017, 09:36:22 pm
Hmmm. I have 2000 and OMC just put ona rebuilt air dryer
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Tim Fiedler on November 02, 2017, 09:37:53 pm
Good solution. Replace with male/female spas connectors or similar (vs butt connector). Now you have a "switch" for your 12v compressors
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Art & Polly on November 03, 2017, 01:09:06 pm
It is the bane of my existence.  You can remove the brass fitting at the end, it will reveal a slotted screw fitting.  Remove this and the solenoid will come out.  This leaves the base with 2 wires attached.  Clean the seat and the rubber washer on the part you removed and reassemble.  I also posted some pictures a while back about this issue with the air compressor purge valve solenoid..  I also resolved  this one time by putting an ever so small amount of Marvel mystery oil in the air intake hose.  Over a year so far no harm.
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Art & Polly on November 03, 2017, 01:44:16 pm
Found some pics
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: hdff on November 11, 2017, 07:31:36 am
Ok I pulled the solenoid took it apart cleaned and lubed it. Went out and touched the wires to the battery to make sure it worked before reinstating it and nothing happened so I assume it is not working. Is hwh  the only place to get one or does fot or mot have one. Anyone know the cost?
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Mark Duckworth on November 11, 2017, 03:37:51 pm
Ok I pulled the solenoid took it apart cleaned and lubed it. Went out and touched the wires to the battery to make sure it worked before reinstating it and nothing happened so I assume it is not working. Is hwh  the only place to get one or does fot or mot have one. Anyone know the cost?
Common part on Amazon or eBay.  12vdc solenoid valve normally open.
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on November 11, 2017, 04:02:56 pm
Tough to find one like the original one pictured.  Anything else will be more complex and bigger.
Maybe Parker/Wilkerson.
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Caflashbob on November 11, 2017, 05:32:43 pm
Would it not be normally closed?
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Pamela & Mike on November 11, 2017, 05:38:28 pm

No

Mike
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 11, 2017, 05:44:34 pm
RAP6354.  A Google search does not turn up any sources for this exact configuration other than HWH (or perhaps MOT or FOT).

Did you check the coil for continuity with a multimeter?  Those potted coils are pretty darn reliable.  Most coil problems are usually caused by bad power supply or wire, faulty ground connection, or corrupted wiring harness.


Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on November 11, 2017, 07:28:18 pm
HWH Solenoid Valve Rebuild (http://www.irvblog.com/foretravel%20projects/HWH-Solenoid-Valve-Rebuild/)
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 11, 2017, 09:08:15 pm
If the OP is correct, and the coil is truly dead, then rebuilding the valve will not solve the problem.
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: Travelin' Man (RIP) on November 12, 2017, 10:49:54 am
Those potted coils are pretty darn reliable. 
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: jcus on November 12, 2017, 11:25:57 am
12V DC G1/8" N/O Brass Electric Solenoid Valve Water Gas Air Normally Open... (https://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-DC-G1-8-N-O-Brass-Electric-Solenoid-Valve-Water-Gas-Air-Normally-Open-Type/162518862991?hash=item25d6e10c8f:g:E10AAOSwDiBZG7V9)
Looks a little different than original, but believe principal and operation the same.
Title: Re: Need info on what this is
Post by: hdff on November 16, 2017, 08:59:38 pm
Ordered one from hwh yesterday. We'll see if it does the trick.
No air dryer on mine that I can see, just the clear bowl