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Title: TV and Source Switching
Post by: floridarandy on December 14, 2017, 05:42:32 pm
Our U 270 has the Audiovox AVCC-100 which serves 2 TV's with with 3 inputs, Antenna, AUX, and VCR.

We want to feed 3 TV's (LR, BR and Basement) with

1. Cable if present in CG via input in utility bay
2. Satellite Directtv traveler up top but no subscription yet
3. Antenna
4. DVD player (maybe but not likely)

What is available to accomplish each tv Gavin it's choice of input in today's technology.
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: gracerace on December 14, 2017, 06:38:13 pm
Should already be a cable in the basement, hooked inline with rear TV. Otherwise you'll have to do some re-wiring
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: Barry & Cindy on December 14, 2017, 06:57:47 pm
Your question raises more questions.

Directv requires coax cable connected at one end to satellite antenna and other end to Directv DVR.  If using a Genie Directv DVR, you can wireless connect the rear TV to the Directv system and each will have its own channel choice and control over recordings.  Directv to TV will best be served with an HDMI cable. 

All devices like DVD also likes to have an HDMI cable to TV. 

Campground and off air antenna use a regular coax that needs to be switched between front & Rear TV. 

You have your design work cut out for you.
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: floridarandy on December 14, 2017, 11:19:28 pm
Barry highlights the very issue I'm considering.

At this point 3 video sources begin with coax...Antenna, Outside CATV and Satellite.  All 3 TV's have a coax cable to receive these sources, although they also have HDMI inputs and all 3 are "smart" and fed with wireless for streaming video.

I've only seen a few switches (Quest QS53e and Magnadyne VCS10) that can receive multiple coax inputs and output to 3 TVs with a coax input, and none that include HDMI inputs and outputs.  I really dont want to have to run HDMI to the bedro9m an$ basement. 
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: craneman on December 14, 2017, 11:54:17 pm
The QS 53e is what I bought from PPL when they were discontinuing them. It works for me.
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: Barry & Cindy on December 15, 2017, 12:17:49 am
Randy & Karen, 
While directv uses coax from antenna to receiver, it cannot be shared with other types of devices, and does not have channels.  This coax can only be connected to directv receivers. 

Directv receiver may have, in addition to HDMI, a shareable coax output to TVs that can use existing coach coax cables via common video switch boxes that may already be in your coach. 

Watching directv on other tvs can be over wireless 'client' receivers, so again no new wires need to be run to watch HD with HDMI from client to other TVs.  That is if your directv receiver is a Genie model.  FYI, directv only allows one Genie per account.

You will run HDMI from directv receiver to a front TV.  And other devices will connect to same front TV with HDMI, either to secondary HDMI inputs or via an HDMI switch box if TV does not have enough HDMI inputs. 

Again, other TVs will use existing coach coax or directv HDMI from client, which is connected to front directv receiver via a proprietary wireless frequency. 

Just think it through and you will be fine.
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: floridarandy on December 15, 2017, 07:42:53 am
 Great info. I think I'm closing in on a solution.  I wasn't aware of the Genie's wireless provisions.
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: Bill B on December 15, 2017, 08:21:04 am
Randy, I have been using the Genie for some time to provide DTV to bed room and it has worked very well.  Would also provide for basement. If I remember correctly one Genie receiver will connect to 5 Minnie Genies.
Antenna / cable connection can be split and connected directly to each tv but amplifier / booster may be needed.
Blue Ray / DVD players are relativly cheap and easy to ad at each tv.
In my experience, keeping wiring simple and avoiding switch boxes will provide better service.
Good luck!
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on December 15, 2017, 09:24:45 am
Randy, keep it as simple as possible.  Spend some time in the coach while you learn how you want/need things to work.  We have a smaller LED TV and Blueray in the BR.  The TV is connected to OTA and Cable.  It gets watched once or twice a year.  Up front the big TV is connected to OTA and Cable.  Get as many HDMI inputs as you can on your TV.  HDMI splitters are usually smart, switch themselves..  Our Genie, Blueray and coach PC are connected to the TV using HDMI.  Sat dish coax goes to the Genie.  If we needed one, a mini wireless Genie would connect to other TV. 

Streaming from ATT with unlimited data via our Homebase and Directv now is quickly becoming an equal source and may become a more primary source.  Not as many channels as Sat but all that we normally watch.  Amazon Prime hsa quite a bit of 4K material and movies too.  Nice when you can get it.  An Amazon fire stick gets us all the streaming stuff we use, Amazon Prime, Directv now, CBs all access, PBS.  We have a Roku box as well.

OTA and Cable splitter/signal amp.
Amazon.com: Winegard RFL-332 SensarPro Black TV Signal Strength Meter:... (https://amazon.com/gp/product/B007AORLC4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
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This and the HDMI switch are the only switching we do outside of the TV itself.
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: gracerace on December 15, 2017, 11:23:05 am
We run a Directv Tivo to the front HDTV. The other 2 tv's are coax. The Tivo is connected to the a DTV AM-21:

Amazon.com: DIRECTV AM21N TV Tuner: Home Audio & Theater (https://www.amazon.com/DIRECTV-AM21N-TV-Tuner/dp/B006DQ0QG8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1513353795&sr=8-1&keywords=am21+directv)

BTW You can find them used on Ebay for $40.00-$75.00

These works awesome. What they do, is take the off air antenna signal, and integrate them into the  DTV receiver via the USB port. Once the local off air channels are scanned into the box, they show up on the DTV guide just like a satellite channel. You can record, pause,FF, whatever. If the OTR channel is HD, it will show in HD. All the guide listing are there.

The channels are also stored in the memory, so no need to re-scan when you return to the same location.All you have to do is, add or remove them from the guide.There are lots of good OTA channels like ME TV that are not on satellite. Most area's have all the locals, (LA area have over 150 locals) so no need to switch back and forth on the TV. We actually record and watch lots of those channels, then FF the commercials.

In our home, we have 2 DTV Tivo's, along with a Blue Ray, hooked to 2 TV's. We use this:

Amazon.com: 3 in/2 out HDMI Matrix Splitter/Selector with Remote Control and... (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071VBBKDR/ref=asc_df_B071VBBKDR5303045/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=395033&creativeASIN=B071VBBKDR&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198063088238&hvpos=1o4&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13877280458056268245&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9029625&hvtargid=pla-351197922475)

These work awesome. Both TIVO's are connected to separate DTV AM-21's

I previously used these before we had the switcher. They also work great.:

Amazon.com: Dinger HDMI Switch, HDMI Bi-directional Switch 2 x 1, 2 Port... (https://www.amazon.com/Dinger-Switch-Bi-directional-Supports-Switcher/dp/B06XXFHPBH/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1513354292&sr=1-5&keywords=hdmi+switcher+splitter+switch)

BTW, DTV tivo's have UHF remote capability (remote doesn't need to be pointed at receiver). So we can switch channels from the bedroom or outside.

I could easily run a HDMI cable to the bedroom. I already ran a new coax there in the overhead channel. So with that, the basement TV and bedroom tv are on separate coax's. Personally, my wife and I rarely watch different shows, and not having HD below or in the bedroom doesn't bother us. We too have a bedroom HD tv with a DVD built in.If I choose to run an HDMI cable to the basement, that really isn't that hard.
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: Barry & Cindy on December 15, 2017, 07:02:07 pm
Can't easily connect both campground off & air coax on 3 tvs without a video switch box.  Most Foretravels came w simple video switch boxes, which have several inputs (sources) and several outputs (TVs).  These coax cables carry multiple channels and are only standard definition (SD).  HDMI input switching is done via TV input control.
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: Woody & Sitka on October 13, 2018, 08:42:25 pm
Old thread but thought I'd post an update.  I've been probing the A/V wiring in the new-to-me '01 U320 in an effort to find the open connection on the wet bay cable hook up (AUX) and the cable hook up in the basement bay, and prep for an updated satellite antenna system.  Using a signal injector, have discovered that the Audiovox selector panel above the Bose unit is inert for the most part...most likely the victim of a voltage spike somewhere in it's past, a botched repair, or just old age.  It won't connect the AUX port (wet bay connector) or any other input to any output...just ANTENNA signal on or off.  I opened it up and it looks like it was built by cavemen (or 12 year old Chinese kids), with 1/8" solder blobs and 14 gauge wires criss crossed all over the board!!!  It's trash, so I ordered an updated Magnadyne selector panel off Amazon and will continue the probing to find out where the basement cable connector (routed up into the coach under the kitchen sink) runs until it gets here.  The panel I ordered connects 5 different cable inputs to 3 different cable outputs, and has DVD in/out RCA connections.  Here's the unit and will update once I get it all hooked up.  Amazon.com: 5 input, 3 Output Video Switching Center Accept 5 inputs: TV... (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SWGSESO/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)  Stay warm and dry, ya'all.  Woody.
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: gracerace on October 13, 2018, 10:10:33 pm
Old thread but thought I'd post an update.  I've been probing the A/V wiring in the new-to-me '01 U320 in an effort to find the open connection on the wet bay cable hook up (AUX) and the cable hook up in the basement bay, and prep for an updated satellite antenna system.  Using a signal injector, have discovered that the Audiovox selector panel above the Bose unit is inert for the most part...most likely the victim of a voltage spike somewhere in it's past, a botched repair, or just old age.  It won't connect the AUX port (wet bay connector) or any other input to any output...just ANTENNA signal on or off.  I opened it up and it looks like it was built by cavemen (or 12 year old Chinese kids), with 1/8" solder blobs and 14 gauge wires criss crossed all over the board!!!  It's trash, so I ordered an updated Magnadyne selector panel off Amazon and will continue the probing to find out where the basement cable connector (routed up into the coach under the kitchen sink) runs until it gets here.  The panel I ordered connects 5 different cable inputs to 3 different cable outputs, and has DVD in/out RCA connections.  Here's the unit and will update once I get it all hooked up.  Amazon.com: 5 input, 3 Output Video Switching Center Accept 5 inputs: TV... (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SWGSESO/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)  Stay warm and dry, ya'all.  Woody.
Buttons inside box get corroded. The new one you ordered work fine.
On our 97 coach, the bedroom TV splits to basement TV. Never looked for spliter ,but the picture in the bedroom was awful.
I ran a new coax to bedroom, and still use the basement for outside TV, once the bedroom was unhooked, it looks better.
CW
Title: Re: TV and Source Switching
Post by: rbark on October 14, 2018, 01:44:27 am
Woody, I've got the same switchbox that you ordered. Works great!