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Title: iC-37
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on June 02, 2018, 01:46:48 am
Currently in Nac. setting up work and schedule for our return thru Nac to NE in Sept.
iC-37 scuttlebutt (anonymous source):
The iC-37 will debut at the Tampa RV Supershow in Jan. 2019
$550K MSRP
No shortcuts on Quality, Minimized Profit Margin, Focused on Musts, Minimized Fancy/Frills
37 feet, 6 inches
Spartan K2 chassis
Cummins L9, 450 HP
Aqua Hot 400D
8 KW generator
(2) Slide
Wood cabinetry befitting FOT Talent, (2 choices: Dark Walnut and Brazilian ?something?)
Disappointing (for me), "Pole to Pole" coach (100% electrical coach, no propane option)
"iC" originated from an in-house "naming contest" of sorts, and no one seems to know the meaning yet.
Exceptional interest and inquiries, ongoing All I could find for now, Neal
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: AC7880 on June 02, 2018, 10:09:18 am
"Pole to Pole coach (100% electrical coach, no propane option)"
Hopefully nice large house battery system and as minimum prewired from roof to battery compartment with wiring run sized for big solar system.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Sven and Kristi on June 02, 2018, 10:29:41 am
Two things that are non starters for me: 1- all electric, makes it difficult to run your fridge; we found out how inconvenient the ice maker was when dry camping. 2- two slides; we won't give up the cross ventilation in the bedroom.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Caflashbob on June 02, 2018, 10:51:37 am
Unless both slides are in the living room/galley?
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Rudy on June 02, 2018, 12:45:44 pm
Inaddition to not being on an 8 outboard air bag chassis, the 400D heater is the baby Aqua Hot with 2 zone pumps, not three, and NO engine preheat. Must be only block heater.
Baby heater will heat water or interior, not both at same time. Hot water faucet on, no interior heat till faucet turned off.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Bill & Kim on June 02, 2018, 02:15:53 pm
I have not found a need to have a second slide out in the living room and the extra headaches (especially with galley on a slide out) would not be worth it.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: AC7880 on June 02, 2018, 10:14:12 pm
Two things that are non starters for me: 1- all electric, makes it difficult to run your fridge; we found out how inconvenient the ice maker was when dry camping. 2- two slides; we won't give up the cross ventilation in the bedroom.
We have a 2 slide. One living room, one bedroom. Cross ventilation is no problem. We still have north south bed, desk is in the slide. Windows both sides front and back.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Neal Pillsbury on June 02, 2018, 10:46:22 pm
Clever!!!! I am here at Foretravel and will see what information I will be able to pass on to answer some of your questions and concerns. Anybody else from the forum going to be here over the weekend and into next week?
We met Oscar and Janet briefly this evening, in the 100 degree, "cool of the evening" twilight. They have a beautiful '07 Newell but intend to investigate the iC-37 throughly. The K2 chassis is here at FOT and FOT is actively progressing. Maybe Oscar will be able to see more. Maybe he will get much more info than I was able to, but this is big step for FOT (in the right direction, IMO) so one can not blame them for slow-feeding the "teasers".
We are here Sunday. Finishing up with David Flanagan and then leaving Monday. Looking forward to meeting up with Rudy for an Aqua Hot radiator neck repair, control unit intermittent headache and annual service. Then it's points West and higher elevations.
I know that we are minority enthusiasts of a coach with no slides. We respect others desire for slides, but we like that we have had ZERO slide maintenance problems, expenses or frustrations in over 20 years of FT ownership and have never felt the need for a slide. No cross ventilation would also be a disappointment for us, as would a lesser, 400D Aqua Hot. Contrary to the masses that praise the Aqua Hot, we are not Aqua Hot enthusiasts, either, and have the bills to prove it. Our maintenance and repair costs have been well over 25 times the cost (of sixteen years of 1998 U270 propane heat and hot water) in just the last three years of 2002 U320 Aqua Hot ownership, and that is about to get much worse with Rudy. But, the 400D is a lesser design (which could most likely be upgraded to the 600 Aqua Hot -- just $$$$).
HTH, Neal
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Caflashbob on June 03, 2018, 01:05:00 am
Wanna bet the ic is "internet coach?"
Any aqua hot is great.
All the older coaches had two zone heating did they not?
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Rudy on June 03, 2018, 04:18:26 am
All the older Foretravels with Aqua Hot have the large heater (16 gallon coolant tank) with three heating loop pumps, engine preheat pump and four heating zones, living room, bathroom, bedroom and basement. Plus the heater can heat the engine, heat the water and heat the interior all at the same time.
AHE 400D (5 gallon coolant tank) has two heating loop pumps, no stir pump and no engine preheat pump. Four heating zones can be had by sharing a loop pump but only turning on the fan for the zone needing heat. The 400D can heat water OR heat the interior, not both at the same time.
Not a bad system, just a real step down from a 1997 to 2005 system. The difference in cost at retail purchased from me, not OEM, is about $2000. What is the difference in $550K and $552K or less.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Jack Lewis on June 03, 2018, 06:47:04 am
Could it be size requirement for 37 ft length that they are choosing the AH 400D?
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: turbojack on June 03, 2018, 10:31:31 am
If 8kw generator I wonder if big enough for all electric coach. Mine with gas refrigerator and cooking has 10kw
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: jcus on June 03, 2018, 10:49:55 am
Spartan Class A RV Chassis - The Difference You Can Feel. (http://www.spartanmotors.com/rv-range/) Single rear axle or with tag?
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Bill & Kim on June 03, 2018, 11:26:07 am
Spartan Class A RV Chassis - The Difference You Can Feel. (http://www.spartanmotors.com/rv-range/)
Wow... the difference between Foretravels Spartan chassis vs. Newmar & Entegra is substantial!
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Caflashbob on June 03, 2018, 01:44:05 pm
Most owners are not winter users. The additional,parts and labor costs for four zones may be substantial. A front double slide could allow the galley to go back on the street side like all the pre slide coaches. Early slides flopped the galley. Going all electric allowed the galley to be on the street side.
My guru buddy fixes the galley slide plumbing on country coaches regularly. They had a clean panel under the plumbing area so you can see any leaking.
I hope they offer a mid entry.
If they need to save build money skip the paint? Or minimal painted stripes?
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: saddlesore on June 11, 2018, 01:59:37 am
Two things that are non starters for me: 1- all electric, makes it difficult to run your fridge; we found out how inconvenient the ice maker was when dry camping. 2- two slides; we won't give up the cross ventilation in the bedroom.
, Yup I'm with you on this.. A single slide (living room) is nice for the extra space up front, A non-slide bedroom is preferred ,,, don't plan on or feel the need for a BR slide.... and I really like the access to the top of the Cummins without having to disassemble the bedroom just to access the top half of the engine..(lift the bed and there you are..) We have a residential fridge so far really like it (other than haven't gotten around to building the "horse shoe" for a door lock... And I have no problem putting hours on the genset... Swapped out the 2 burner cooktop for a 3 burner with gas oven.... don't be a messing with my biskits!!! and I love the Aqua Hot...(100-02s) it will heat the coach and give a continuous hot water shower.. The lack of the outboard suspension, single LR slide & propane options are deal breakers for us.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Jack Lewis on June 11, 2018, 01:01:37 pm
These posts remind me that a mfg has to make something that will actually sell, not just be liked by a few and also that all mods have to pass marketing and engineering. I understand the strong demand for an all electric motor home. I believe Foretravel was the last mfg. to build with outside airbags. Most rvs sell at rv shows, very close to an impulse buy and many are by first time buyers. I too am a fan of the mid door, (both my Monaco Signatures), I too like the 8 air bags (is anyone building this anymore?), my budget and tastes are far from buying a new Foretravel as opposed to those on this forum that can and would actually buy a new one if it met their needs. I give thanks to the previous owners that took care of for 20+ years, my perfect and current rv. We will see what they build, additional money presented to Foretravel to create modifications might work for you, building on your custom chassis, probably not. I look forward to the the IC-37. Many in the market say they want a shorter high end diesel pusher, we will see if they show up with their pocket book. Definitely not a sure thing, as I see in these posts.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on June 11, 2018, 06:51:37 pm
It seems to me that these are going to be like most FT have always been, somewhat customizable per order. You might be able to order a gas cooktop. Maybe a bigger AH. Maybe only one slide. Why don't we just wait and see. I hope we are all excited about what it turns out to be. I hope someone orders one exactly like the one you want. Maybe in a few years after the initial round of depreciation they will become available on the secondary market. By then I may have downsized to a non motorized, one bedroom, seven foot coach for the long haul.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Tom Lang on June 11, 2018, 06:55:33 pm
I agree with Roger. Let's wsit and see how much customization is offered.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: AC7880 on June 11, 2018, 09:09:35 pm
Reading about bedroom slides:
Just a note. We have a bedroom slide, yet still have the north south bed with full access to top of the Cummins, and cross flow ventilation (windows on both sides). A desk with drawers is in the bedroom slide.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: rbark on June 11, 2018, 09:25:19 pm
We have the 38 ft U320 with bedroom slide and north south bed with full access to eng compartment.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on June 11, 2018, 09:30:20 pm
Dan, your BR desk is probably pretty rare, most of these have a closet and no window. I like the desk idea with a window. One thing you do not have is the side overhead cabinets in the bedroom and less room on the driver's side between the bed and the wall. The bed box is also shifted towards the driver's side which changes the engine access a bit on the passenger's side. We would miss the overhead cabinets in our 36'.
Every floor plan variation has benefits and drawbacks based on whose looking. We are lucky to have lots of variations that will likely fit everyone's needs. So much of this information is best gained by seeing as many coaches as possible. It is hard sometimes to see how space is used just looking at a floor plan. The more you see the better you can understand the differences and how they fit your expectations.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: DavidS on June 11, 2018, 09:46:57 pm
Every floor plan variation has benefits and drawbacks based on whose looking. We are lucky to have lots of variations that will likely fit everyone's needs. So much of this information is best gained by seeing as many coaches as possible. It is hard sometimes to see how space is used just looking at a floor plan. The more you see the better you can understand the differences and how they fit your expectations.
Kinda difficult unless ordered new.. Used it kinda works with what you have.. ours works because it has to....I like our layout though
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: jcus on June 11, 2018, 09:55:39 pm
I have the east-west bed on a slide. No cross vent flow for air, but do have a 3/4 coach width hang up closet in the back, with washer/dryer on left side. Wife likes that part. Problem for me is, you have to extend slide and lift bed and remove engine cover to get to fwd 1/4 of engine compartment. Pain in the a... Life is one big compromise.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on June 19, 2018, 02:27:09 pm
Here is a quote from the Motorcader 2018 Spring Magazine by Mr. Lyle Reed: "Foretravel has its new model year in the works as well as our new model the ic-37, a.k.a. the Iron Colt. John Ragland, a production team member, was the winner of our "name the new model" contest. As its name implies, it will be a 37' motorhome built on a Spartan chassis. While smaller in size (height and length), it will be a Foretravel in all other respects and have a straight-forward audio/video system. The 2-large slide model will be equipped with a 400 hp Cummins engine with an optional 450 hp available. Its MSRP is estimated to be in the low $500s."
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: turbojack on June 19, 2018, 05:26:52 pm
I wonder what the up charge will be for the 450 HP over the 400?
Since Spartan is not putting disk brakes on the rear of the lower end chassis, I wonder if they are going to do it for FT.
What do you think straight-forward audio/video system. means?
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Michael & Jackie on June 19, 2018, 05:34:28 pm
Turbo....maybe "simple"? ;)
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on June 19, 2018, 07:29:06 pm
Since Spartan is not putting disk brakes on the rear of the lower end chassis, I wonder if they are going to do it for FT.
Looking at the Spartan website for RV chassis it looks like all their RV chassis that have the L9 Cummins engine have disc breaks on both front and rear axles. To be sure though we will have to wait for Foretravel to put out the actual specs.
My wife and I are really hoping that the ic-37 will turn out to be a nice coach for we plan to downsize into it to better meet our camping needs.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: jcus on June 19, 2018, 07:38:18 pm
Looking at the Spartan website for RV chassis it looks like all their RV chassis that have the L9 Cummins engine have disc breaks on both front and rear axles. To be sure though we will have to wait for Foretravel to put out the actual specs.
My wife and I are really hoping that the ic-37 will turn out to be a nice coach for we plan to downsize into it to better meet our camping needs.
Accounting for inflation, the ic-37 will have a price comparable to the 2003 u295. Same engine and transmission but with Spartan instead of Foretravel chassis. Hopefully construction quality will be equal.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Dale on July 24, 2018, 09:16:50 pm
This just in ....
"I hope this email finds you well. Foretravel will be introducing a new coach called the ic-37 on January 2019, and it will be 37 foot long. We are in the process of building our first one. Please see attached the spec sheet and first floorplan for the Foretravel ic-37. Some items may change as the first one is completed.
I will send you more information and pictures in the upcoming months as the ic-37 is completed. I hope you are having a great week!
Sincerely,
Kristen Conklin Foretravel of Texas Factory Coach Specialist"
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: gracerace on July 26, 2018, 08:08:12 pm
I know people love them. As a FT tech, people were running them on low voltage,which caused a multitude of issues. They take lots of DC to run dry camping. I also had to rebuild and install my share of pumps that leaked. This also caused a bunch of damage to the belly foam/fiberglass.Done that repair a few times. The baggage compartment of coaches with AH's, always smelled of diesel. And lastly, we replaced a few complete AH's from people dragging the exhaust coming in Liberty Lake store's driveway in their 42'. But that isn't AH's fault. We then built skid plates for them When I was looking for a used coach, number 1 on the list was NO Aqua Hot...Just sayin Chris
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Caflashbob on July 26, 2018, 08:35:37 pm
Chris good points. "You pay for every one of your pleasures. If you did not pay as much, it probably was not as much fun was it?" My standard comment to prospective Foretravel buyers when I sales managed the ca store in the late 80's.
I do not recall hardly any posts here about diesel smells or pump issues.
Improper winterization in your cold area may be a contributor.
I am not thin just normal and the temp fluctuations and noise from propane furnaces and the dry air kept me from a sound sleep every night and would talk me out of owning any rv without aquahot.
Turning on the propane furnaces first then the flame and then the runover from the flame shutoff to cool the heater box bothers us.
Sweat then cooler. Too many cold dry camps.. We like the ability to go into full four seasons without doing anything but driving there.
The dc use was not terribly noticeable over other electronic systems and our chest refer underneath being on.
But I do have good batteries.
Sorry. Too many lost sleep nights from laying in bed and going from too hot to too low.
Throw the covers off. Then doze. Then cool. Covers back on. Doze. Furnace kicks on. Even colder. Then hotter.
Repeat cycle.
Especially in the older coaches with the bedroom furnace in the cabinet under the tv and blowing across the hallway.
So you make its setting too cold. Not good if you are younger and heathy and like romance.
Been a long time since Foretravel sold a non hydronic heated coach...
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: gracerace on July 26, 2018, 10:09:14 pm
Chris good points. "You pay for every one of your pleasures. If you did not pay as much, it probably was not as much fun was it?" My standard comment to prospective Foretravel buyers when I sales managed the ca store in the late 80's.
I do not recall hardly any posts here about diesel smells or pump issues.
Improper winterization in your cold area may be a contributor.
I am not thin just normal and the temp fluctuations and noise from propane furnaces and the dry air kept me from a sound sleep every night and would talk me out of owning any rv without aquahot.
Turning on the propane furnaces first then the flame and then the runover from the flame shutoff to cool the heater box bothers us.
Sweat then cooler. Too many cold dry camps.. We like the ability to go into full four seasons without doing anything but driving there.
The dc use was not terribly noticeable over other electronic systems and our chest refer underneath being on.
But I do have good batteries.
Sorry. Too many lost sleep nights from laying in bed and going from too hot to too low.
Throw the covers off. Then doze. Then cool. Covers back on. Doze. Furnace kicks on. Even colder. Then hotter.
Repeat cycle.
Especially in the older coaches with the bedroom furnace in the cabinet under the tv and blowing across the hallway.
So you make its setting too cold. Not good if you are younger and heathy and like romance.
Been a long time since Foretravel sold a non hydronic heated coach...
We use a Mr Heat blue flame heater, leave window cracked, vent cracked. Blows you out of the MoHo in winter while on the ocean. No voltage use. Have electric base board for land line hookup I bet I rebuilt, repaired, replaced 25+ AH burners, and pumps during 2 yrs. Also replaced at least 15 boards.There was a re-call to boot...:) But that was then, may not be now. It still left a bad taste in my mouth (diesel) LOL Cheers
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Caflashbob on July 26, 2018, 10:45:04 pm
your experience is a great resource.
If you told me my 20 year old aquahot would require replacement to last another 20 years I would unhesitatingly buy the aquahot coach.
A new ic-37 has an aquahot In it.
I marvel that I can own a similar piece of technology to a new $1 million dollar coach for twenty cents on the dollar of its then new 1/3 price then.
Would not own a coach without hydronic heating. But we want and have used coaches in deep winter and 120F at the river.
Most do not use their coach that way.
I wanted a Foretravel rv, not park model. No paint. Too hot. Propane? No heated tank bays. Temp swings. Dry my eyes. Propane limits the staying time. 19 gallons versus 192 to run the heating system. Propane is odoriferous.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on July 26, 2018, 11:53:21 pm
In floor heat and hydronic heat from an AH. Sounds like a winner to me. Our AH is about 18 years old. Most AH failures result from lack of use, not so much from misuse. Ours gets run on diesel at least once a month and we go about three years between "annual" service.
Everyone gets to play with the toys they choose. Once we had an AH (after 36 years of propane furnaces) we would be very hard pressed to have anything else. Others have had different experiences.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Eighthc on September 07, 2018, 09:22:11 pm
Looking at the specs. We are not dry campers so the all elec coach with a residential fridge is what we want. We live in the Deep South so a third ac unit would be nice. Need a dishwasher. Would like theater recliners instead of a couch. Wife is disabled so a seated vanity in BR would help.
We are currently in a 2016 Allegro Bus (40AP) which is bigger than we need. This coach many well meet our needs.
Ron
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on September 08, 2018, 12:28:04 am
An installation using a tankless or normal RV water heater could pump hot water everywhere an AH does and with almost no maintenance. Plus, what do you do if traveling in the winter and the AH stops working? How long to wait until someone can reach you to fix it (from several states away) plus it's really cold outside and all the motels won't take your dogs?
Pierce
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Chuck Pearson on September 08, 2018, 12:53:20 am
An installation using a tankless or normal RV water heater could pump hot water everywhere an AH does and with almost no maintenance.
That's an interesting idea. I wonder what the BTU output from an Aquahot is and what size tankless it would take to match it? The Aquahot is nice, but not a fan of the exhaust smell.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on September 08, 2018, 01:36:26 am
We had a diesel boiler with hot water through the house for years. Lots of fiddling with it compared to a hot water storage propane fired heater. We have a tankless now but it's not trouble free compared to the tank heater that sits there year after year.
Diesel has about 40% more BTUs but propane is super inexpensive even compared at the BTU level.
When we were on the ocean, we had a diesel heater that was super simple with a hand pump pressure tank and coils the diesel traveled through before it dripped on the burner. It never gave any trouble plus no nozzles to clog. Just a restriction of the diesel at ambient temps, a filter and the hand pump every couple of hours. In high latitudes off Japan in winter, it kept the boat warm. No other controls or any kind of electronics.
The Toyo OM-22 is about the only diesel fired direct vent heater that is pretty reliable that I have ever heard of (we have one). Still requires maintenance but would work well in an RV. Blower uses some juice.
Pierce
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: craneman on September 08, 2018, 01:47:41 am
My '81 has 2 Red Hunter diesel heaters Foretravel must have had a source for these. They were used in the sleepers of OTR trucks back in the late 70's and early 80's It only has 2 zones, living room kitchen and bathroom bedroom.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Jim Frerichs on September 08, 2018, 09:52:50 am
Diesel Aqua Hot heaters are 50,000 BTU. That's a lot of heat for no more fuel it uses. The electric element is usually1600 watts.
Jim
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on September 08, 2018, 10:33:11 am
I've seen some diesel heaters for OTR trucks but they were really expensive. The Toyo would be good for an RV as it's small, very efficient and is direct vent so it has a 3" hole right behind it where the intake and exhaust are in a single tube. No smell or water vapor but it does use 110V for the fan. No hot surfaces so you can put your hand on top or the sides.
Note: this has been replaced by the OM-23
At the low setting and 8000 btu, it only uses .06 gallons of diesel per hour. See specs below.
Pierce
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on September 08, 2018, 05:27:42 pm
Jim, I think they are using a smaller AquaHot in the iC37. Two zones, much smaller hot water capacity. I am pretty pleased with the one in our U320.
MODEL 400D
Aqua-Hot's 400-series are the Most Compact System for Diesel Motorhomes Features
- Continuous on-demand hot water - Quiet, clean, even, moist interior heat - Adds thousands of dollars to the value of an RV - Two sources of energy for heating comfort - Uses AC shore power for light duty heating and hot water use - Uses diesel fuel for heating in colder temperatures and continuous hot water Specifications
- Maximum Interior Heat Exchanger BTUs 65,600 - Continuous, Tank-less Hot Water 1.25 GPM - Engine Preheating No - Electric Elements 1-120VAC, 1650W - Fuel Diesel - Max Fuel Usage .41 GPH - AVG Fuel Usage /Day Dry Camping 1-4 Gallons - AVG Fuel Usage/Day Shore Power 1-2 Gallons
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Don & Tys on September 08, 2018, 05:52:25 pm
One thing I hadn't seen mentioned in this thread is kind of leveling system used in the IC-37. The spec sheet that I saw posted lists an HWH hydraulic leveling system instead of air leveling. I would miss air leveling... Don
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Bill & Kim on September 08, 2018, 05:56:04 pm
Bummer there's no separate black and grey tank and combined as is, it's 130 gal.
I have a 36' with 96 gal. fresh, 103 gal. grey and 51 gal. black. Just under normal use with full hookups, it doesn't take long to fill up the grey tank with showers and such. And... I flush the sewer hose with grey water after draining the black tank...
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: craneman on September 08, 2018, 06:02:25 pm
One thing I hadn't seen mentioned in this thread is kind of leveling system used in the IC-37. The spec sheet that I saw posted lists an HWH hydraulic leveling system instead of air leveling. I would miss air leveling... Don
I love the air leveling because it is automatic. The Monaco Sig. I had was equipped with hydraulic auto leveling, push a button and it leveled. The down side was putting pads under the feet, the upside was being able to pull wheels at the touch of a button. Wonder which one will be in the IC-37?
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on September 08, 2018, 08:38:50 pm
I wonder how they get away with a 24,000 lb single rear axle?
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on September 08, 2018, 08:49:01 pm
Bummer there's no separate black and grey tank and combined as is, it's 130 gal.
I have a 36' with 96 gal. fresh, 103 gal. grey and 51 gal. black. Just under normal use with full hookups, it doesn't take long to fill up the grey tank with showers and such. And... I flush the sewer hose with grey water after draining the black tank...
Bill,
Once you have a combo black/grey tank you would never want to go back to separate tanks. No need to flush out the tank for there is enough combined liquid to empty it out very well. We have a 140 gal combo black/grey water tank and have never had an issue with it. I only use a little downy flushed down the toilet once in a while when on the road traveling. When I empty it goes to "0" no problem. If you are somewhere where emptying grey water is allowed we have a grey water bypass valve that will let only the new grey water to the ground. Not sure if the ic-37 has a grey water bypass valve. We full-time so we use the combo black/grey tank a lot!
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Bill & Kim on September 08, 2018, 10:06:12 pm
Once you have a combo black/grey tank you would never want to go back to separate tanks. No need to flush out the tank for there is enough combined liquid to empty it out very well. We have a 140 gal combo black/grey water tank and have never had an issue with it. I only use a little downy flushed down the toilet once in a while when on the road traveling. When I empty it goes to "0" no problem. If you are somewhere where emptying grey water is allowed we have a grey water bypass valve that will let only the new grey water to the ground. Not sure if the ic-37 has a grey water bypass valve. We full-time so we use the combo black/grey tank a lot!
. Before we went full-time, we had a vintage Airstream where the black & grey were combined (only 60 gal. total and it filled up quick!), and as you mentioned, there was plenty of grey water to assist the flush but... it still had that which gives it "black" content. With a corregated sewer hose, I perseverated upon what might be left in those folds... and that never ended well...! I did not have a grey water by-pass, though...
I could see how that is helpful but it doesn't give you a grey water flush of black content. I never had used Downy in the tank - something to try. Generally before I travel and after dumping before I leave, I'll fill my black tank with water and drop in a couple of dishwasher tabs to help clean it out... They're supposed to be "spot-free", you know... ::)
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on September 08, 2018, 11:28:58 pm
I forgot to mention that both Foretravel (newer ones) and Newell use Waste Master RV Sewer Management that does not seem to have internal ridges and leaves virtually no visual residue. They are mounted so that you do not have to take them on and off and the end of the hose has a long handled shut off valve. Makes emptying the waste tanks a breeze without a mess.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on September 08, 2018, 11:47:48 pm
All of this is speculation until the actual final specs are released and available options are known. Unfulfilled expectations often only result in disappointment.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: DavidS on September 08, 2018, 11:51:08 pm
At Times this whole site is speculation lol :)) ^.^d
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on September 09, 2018, 10:34:51 am
All of this is speculation until the actual final specs are released and available options are known. Unfulfilled expectations often only result in disappointment.
Roger,
You are absolutely correct. I am sure Foretravel will be doing their best to make the ic-37 meet all the expectations you all provided them (I had read that they had asked their Motorcade members for input).
We are especially anxious to see the final product for we plan on making it our next home. We will see....
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on September 09, 2018, 10:53:25 am
Many are hoping (I am) for a great new coach with options that make it fit many manners of use. These include those who are mostly using their coach in parks with hookups on one end of the spectrum to those who frequently boondock and every purpose in between.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: DavidS on September 09, 2018, 11:05:54 am
If the options are desirable, How many here would or are thinking of buying one?
It might be an option in a couple years.. depending.
Seems to be a lot of discussion on what and how the options need to be added or not.. but at the end of the day who is really in the market? Options Galore doesnt mean anything if your not in the market...
So who is on the fence?
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on September 09, 2018, 11:24:21 am
I don't think FT is building this coach for the members of this Forum or the Motorcade, they asked for and got input from current owners, but they are building it to expand the potential market for Foretravels in general. From that prespective we all hope it is very successful. Some of us might buy one of these new, some of us might buy one after a couple years on the resale market. How they sell in that market to some of us on the Forum may strongly depend on how they were configured when they were new. It gives many of us that possible "way forward" that seemed to be a dead end road.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Tom Lang on September 09, 2018, 11:39:34 am
I think Foretravel quality at a Winnebago price should sell very nicely if they get the word out.
I've seen half million dollar Winnie's in my travels. This should give them a run for the same money.
I'd love to see an educational ad compaign.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: DavidS on September 09, 2018, 12:00:23 pm
I don't think FT is building this coach for the members of this Forum or the Motorcade, they asked for and got input from current owners, but they are building it to expand the potential market for Foretravels in general. From that prespective we all hope it is very successful. Some of us might buy one of these new, some of us might buy one after a couple years on the resale market. How they sell in that market to some of us on the Forum may strongly depend on how they were configured when they were new. It gives many of us that possible "way forward" that seemed to be a dead end road.
I think they are building to the masses or as many as they can intrigue. I think for most of us on the forum it will be in the resale pricing range or 2-5 years down the road..
How many would actually sell or trade in what you have now and spend the extra money when what you have has worked so well for so long.. Kinda my point.
I just cant see most of the middle to high end Coaches trading in or selling their coaches after they have owned for so long and have updated to make it "Theirs" and swapping to something that is comparable to what they already have..
This is the Conundrum of building something so great.. even after several decades.. Old coaches are just as good as most new ones..
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Tom Lang on September 09, 2018, 02:01:26 pm
I noticed a recent ad for the IH-45 mentioned it being on a chassis made by Spartan. Is the IH still semi-monocoque with Spartan made subassemblies? How might this work for the new baby?
I'm hoping to have my questions answered in Branson next month.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Eighthc on September 09, 2018, 05:02:07 pm
I have used the waste master for about 1 1/2 years now and really like it. However, it must be somehow removable because the hose can be damaged, like by the AH exhaust. Don't ask how I know.
Ron
Title: Re: iC-37 waste system
Post by: Jim Busby on September 09, 2018, 07:26:54 pm
you can do as I did and order an adapter from waste Management to make the hose removable using the cam lock system. Quite easy to do if you wish and then you can add to the length easily. Contact me for the instructions Jim Busby
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Bill Willett on September 09, 2018, 08:24:59 pm
I wonder if the little Colt will make it to the Tampa RV Show in January.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: floridarandy on September 09, 2018, 08:28:43 pm
We visit the show every year. Will gather as much intel and pics as we can.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: turbojack on September 09, 2018, 10:15:41 pm
I wonder if the little Colt will make it to the Tampa RV Show in January.
I was told the first one made will be there. They are getting ready to put two more in production.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Eighthc on September 11, 2018, 01:30:31 am
I made that improvement on my Bus. I was wondering how FT handled it.
Ron
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Eighthc on September 15, 2018, 12:01:57 pm
Anyone at Hershey to see if FT has the IC 37 on display?
Thanks,
Ron
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Mike & Joanne Whitaker on September 15, 2018, 09:11:24 pm
We have attended the Hershey RV Show the past two days - no sign of anything Foretravel.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Dave & Diane on September 15, 2018, 10:06:18 pm
While in NAC last week for maintenance at MOT we took the FT factory tour. The guide told us about the new IC-37. We saw it on the line. They were installing some of it's systems. I would say 40% complete. We were told this was the FIRST one.
Dave
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on September 15, 2018, 11:08:49 pm
Foretravel goes to the Tampa RV show and has a prime spot inside.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Eighthc on September 16, 2018, 08:01:52 am
My mind was scrambled! Makes sense - FT says it will come out in January.
Ron
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: floridarandy on September 29, 2018, 09:48:08 pm
We live close and attend every year. Will try and get photos and video.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: juicesqueezer on October 01, 2018, 07:20:40 pm
If 8kw generator I wonder if big enough for all electric coach. Mine with gas refrigerator and cooking has 10kw
We just sold our DRV Mobile Suites and it only had a 5500 onan and ran both 13.5 airs/ microwave, and our 22 cu ft. residential fridge. The only item it would not run on gen was the dishwasher, so the 8k should have no problems with an electric coach.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: jcus on October 01, 2018, 07:37:05 pm
We just sold our DRV Mobile Suites and it only had a 5500 onan and ran both 13.5 airs/ microwave, and our 22 cu ft. residential fridge. The only item it would not run on gen was the dishwasher, so the 8k should have no problems with an electric coach.
IF... running two ac's, fridge, aqua-hot heater, inverter/charger at 100 amps charge, microwave, tv's stereo's etc. would be getting pretty close to an overload and breaker trip on a 8kw. Probably would not happen, but would like the extra 2000 watts just in case....... Maybe my electric grill on the picnic table.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: OSIN on October 03, 2018, 12:14:18 am
Currently in Nac. setting up work and schedule for our return thru Nac to NE in Sept.
iC-37 scuttlebutt (anonymous source):
The iC-37 will debut at the Tampa RV Supershow in Jan. 2019
$550K MSRP
No shortcuts on Quality, Minimized Profit Margin, Focused on Musts, Minimized Fancy/Frills
37 feet, 6 inches
Spartan K2 chassis
Cummins L9, 450 HP
Aqua Hot 400D
8 KW generator
(2) Slide
Wood cabinetry befitting FOT Talent, (2 choices: Dark Walnut and Brazilian ?something?)
Disappointing (for me), "Pole to Pole" coach (100% electrical coach, no propane option)
"iC" originated from an in-house "naming contest" of sorts, and no one seems to know the meaning yet.
Exceptional interest and inquiries, ongoing All I could find for now, Neal
Should be cool, 2 slides are more than enough if you do it right. We have 1, and we love it, but as we know Slide=problems eventually. One of the reasons we love our WFTS layout is it's totally usable for full time living with our slide in....Not many can claim this. All Electric is good with us, we've has this setup before, and although our current rig has a propane stove, we'd be fine with induction.
I'm excited to see what they have come up with
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: turbojack on October 03, 2018, 07:34:41 am
I believe the owner's (Reid?) original job was working for the rail road thus
IH-45 = Iron Horse 45' IC-37 = Iron Colt 37'
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Tim on October 06, 2018, 12:34:16 am
I would buy an all-electric coach only if there was 4KW of solar on the roof and 40KWH of lithium batteries. This is achievable only with Sunpower solar panels. The batteries are similar in power to a Tesla Model 3, non-range extended version. Boondocking would be a dream.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: ForetravelWannabe on October 14, 2018, 08:57:00 pm
Great info all...
We were going to purchase a new 2019 Entegra Anthem 42DEQ until we heard about this new Foretravel. Now we aren't sure.
Trying to rationalize the price difference but I know how nice Foretravel's are...just need to see, touch and feel one. Some things like the AH, Spartan Chassis, etc. are pretty similar...but the interior of the FT is probably a lot nicer.
Wife likes the smaller size.
Most excited to see one to see if we will stick with the Entegra...or go with the IC-37.
Only time will tell...
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: AC7880 on October 14, 2018, 10:21:29 pm
We were going to purchase a new 2019 Entegra Anthem 42DEQ until we heard about this new Foretravel. Now we aren't sure.
Trying to rationalize the price difference but I know how nice Foretravel's are...just need to see, touch and feel one. Some things like the AH, Spartan Chassis, etc. are pretty similar...but the interior of the FT is probably a lot nicer.
Wife likes the smaller size.
Most excited to see one to see if we will stick with the Entegra...or go with the IC-37.
Only time will tell...
The Anthem is 43' 5" in length. For the way (and places) we travel that is excessive length. A 37' coach will fit most places. At times our 40' is a tight fit. We do like rural campgrounds with vegetation and trees, so other folks results may be different.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: ForetravelWannabe on October 17, 2018, 04:37:21 pm
The Anthem is 43' 5" in length. For the way (and places) we travel that is excessive length. A 37' coach will fit most places. At times our 40' is a tight fit. We do like rural campgrounds with vegetation and trees, so other folks results may be different.
Agree completely. That was a concern for us as well.
The 37' just seems like a sweet spot to us so we look forward to seeing a fully completed one. We have owned a Navigator (too long) and a Leisure Travel Van (too short). The IC-37 looks just right. Just like Goldilocks I suppose.
My intel informs me the very first one will be done end of November. I hear it is headed over to Tampa for the big show.
We have decided that the wait will be well worth it so, we wait.
I think resale value will be very good as well, like all FTs.
Not that I will be the one reselling it, my heirs will be doing that for me! ;)
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: juicesqueezer on October 17, 2018, 05:07:15 pm
I would buy an all-electric coach only if there was 4KW of solar on the roof and 40KWH of lithium batteries. This is achievable only with Sunpower solar panels. The batteries are similar in power to a Tesla Model 3, non-range extended version. Boondocking would be a dream.
We looked at lithiums when we upgraded our batts, but went with AGM's and no regrets! 6 of those at 225amp with 1200 watts of solar and you would be good to go with all except airconditioning! You could power 1 15k air with the easy start installed, but when you chase 70 degree's, who needs air? Just saying......................
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: ForetravelWannabe on October 17, 2018, 10:11:59 pm
Here is the very latest I just received.
The attached show the floorplan for the very first IC that is currently in production.
There are supposed to be additional floorplans coming soon. I believe three more. No one knows for sure.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: bdale on October 18, 2018, 09:18:14 am
What is a "Spyder system"?
"Electric shades on Spyder system in cockpit"
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: craneman on October 18, 2018, 09:31:40 am
Multiple controls throughout the coach to control the shades and lights. Think spider web.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: nitehawk on October 18, 2018, 09:36:55 am
Wow, only one foot longer, one foot higher, one foot wider, and over double the weight of our '89 GV. Amazing what technology has done in 30 years!
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Tom Lang on October 23, 2018, 06:18:40 pm
I'm at Grandvention. More info re: Iron Colt handed out. Looks like a winner. Coach #1 is out of the paint shop. Graphics are noise, all white except for a big gray or black loopy swirl.
Foretravel quality at a Winnebago price should sell, if they get the word out.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: DavidS on October 24, 2018, 02:43:47 am
Wife said she is interested in looking it over .. maybe by the end of next year we can get our order in or buy a newer one. We shall see
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on October 24, 2018, 09:00:35 am
I'm at Grandvention. More info re: Iron Colt handed out. Looks like a winner. Coach #1 is out of the paint shop. Graphics are noise, all white except for a big gray or black loopy swirl.
Foretravel quality at a Winnebago price should sell, if they get the word out.
I saw the ic-37 prototype on the factory tour yesterday. The paint job looks great - white pearl coat base with deep blue swirl with black swirl that fades from black to gray. The walnut interior is gorgeous - like the ole days.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Don & Tys on October 24, 2018, 11:36:55 am
I don't suppose they are allowing pictures as yet... they probably don't want to spoil the surprise. :( Don
I saw the ic-37 prototype on the factory tour yesterday. The paint job looks great - white pearl coat base with deep blue swirl with black swirl that fades from black to gray. The walnut interior is gorgeous - like the ole days.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on October 24, 2018, 12:00:01 pm
Don - I have a gentleman's agreement that I would not share any pictures of the ic-37. This is their big effort and it is probably best to let them do the release of photos and such when they see fit. I am hoping the ic-37 will be a big winner for Foretravel. I know we are anxious to downsize into an ic-37.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Don & Tys on October 24, 2018, 12:39:22 pm
I totally understand Oscar... I can wait for the reveal and I want Foretravel to hit a home run with the IC-37. I am happy to hear that the prototype seems to be surprisingly on target for those who prize quality over glitz. I particularly like the lighter color scheme you describe. We will be in Nac sometime in the spring... hopefully we will be able to put eyes on one then.
Don - I have a gentleman's agreement that I would not share any pictures of the ic-37. This is their big effort and it is probably best to let them do the release of photos and such when they see fit. I am hoping the ic-37 will be a big winner for Foretravel. I know we are anxious to downsize into an ic-37.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Bill Chaplin on October 24, 2018, 02:58:30 pm
What does the "IC-37" stand for ???
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on October 24, 2018, 03:16:03 pm
This is the prototype that they are selling so the production models will be a bit different.
Enjoy!
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: ForetravelWannabe on January 09, 2019, 07:05:17 pm
Very nice.
Just a few minor things I would want modified:
*Top of Chair in front of desk is blocking the TV...If I am laying on the couch could be a major issue! (Just kidding but kind of a drag) *Recess the cooktop since the counter space is limited *Not sure if the windows are the flush mount type...doesn't look like it from the photos
Other than that, sweet ride from what I can see.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: DavidS on January 09, 2019, 07:06:26 pm
I actually like it.. Now to work on the funds to get me one or wait another 15 yrs and get it used.. umm choices choices!! ^.^d
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on January 09, 2019, 07:15:06 pm
Foretravel also released the second floor plan for the ic-37. See about page 15 of the following link:
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Caflashbob on January 09, 2019, 07:21:23 pm
My favorite 228" WB. This is really what most here asked for. We need to support this. Love the non hot white body. Way to go Foretravel.
Almost tempted.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: DavidS on January 09, 2019, 07:25:46 pm
K2 chassis didnt look like it had enough bracing? Could be wrong..
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Caflashbob on January 09, 2019, 07:31:31 pm
Original non slide unihomes had similar main rails to the spartan. Still semi monocoque. More bracing like the IH 45 spartan chassis had divided up the compartments quite a bit. We like our bigger compartments Especially the long one.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: jcus on January 09, 2019, 07:34:19 pm
Interesting to compare the 04 38 footer with about the same price. http://beamalarm.com/foretravel-links/models/2004-u320-specifications.pdf
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: hdff on January 09, 2019, 07:40:36 pm
Looks nice but to rich for my blood..... I'll keep enjoying my u320
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Chuck Pearson on January 09, 2019, 07:53:48 pm
Outstanding job Foretravel! Understated elegance. I expect they will have a long waiting list for this nicely done coach. I wonder if we'll see Steve and Michelle in one some day....
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Siren on January 09, 2019, 08:38:45 pm
We are super excited to claim that we were the first FoFummers ever to step foot in the completed coach!! We were at Foretravel today when it rolled out of production, and we sped over to take a peak. They were literally loading it with stuff to take it to the Florida RV Show; Gay Lynn was fluffing the bedroom sheets.
It was AWESOME!!! They let us poke around, and we were very impressed and enthusiastically excited about it! The chill that came over me when I opened up the overhead compartments, and it felt exactly like the quality and feel of our 1997 U320. It's so nice. Simple. Understated. Muted nice colors. Great functional floorplan. Pretty decent storage! OOOOOHHHHH, it's so pretty. ;D ;D ;D I said to them "QUICK!! Sell one so that I can be the first person to buy a used one."
The vibe at Foretravel is bustling with excitement, and for a very good reason. They should be incredibly proud of this one. I'm hoping it is a grand slam, and if not, a rousing homerun, or at the very very least, a solid triple. It's really really pretty..... ^.^d ^.^d ^.^d
I'm happy that all of you get to see the pictures released today of the finished product. I snapped a few outside photos, as well as some of the gorgeous IH-45 that was also headed to Tampa.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: John S on January 09, 2019, 09:15:33 pm
Thanks for the pictures
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: ForetravelWannabe on January 09, 2019, 09:27:36 pm
What's with the older style windows?
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: saddlesore on January 09, 2019, 09:51:22 pm
I understand that there are 2 floor plans???
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Bill & Kim on January 09, 2019, 10:13:10 pm
Excuse my enthisiasm, but... I hope they market the hell out of this coach and blow the rest of the nonsense out there away. The other coaches in this price range (and above), just don't even come close... This will be what others emulate.
We know Foretravel and the product. The iC37 simply reinforces what we've come to love about the company and their product.
Way to go, Foretravel, congratulations!
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Olde English on January 09, 2019, 10:28:01 pm
I just hope they get someone to proofread their spec sheet at the Foretravel website, I don't think they mean Bush Button start. The interior looks like classic Foretravel, tastefully understated.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: saddlesore on January 09, 2019, 10:45:57 pm
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on January 09, 2019, 10:48:06 pm
I hate to say this but Susan and I were in this coach before Douglas and Amanda were even up this morning. It really does look nice.
The fit and finish is very vell done. An updated cabinet style in real wood. Windows that actually open. The extra height makes it actually look stubby.
Basement storage is skimpy compared to our 2001 U320 36'. Yes it has AquaHot but a much smaller capacity one the we have. Smaller batteries, smaller generator and it weighs more than our coach does. And we are not fans of the dinette booth.
We heard this week that there is a single floor plan and few if any options at this point. Maybe not entirely correct.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Barry & Cindy on January 09, 2019, 11:30:53 pm
Not only looks like classic, it has windows that can actually half open and give maximum ventilation, not the new windows that are glued on, look nice but only partly open.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Tom Lang on January 10, 2019, 12:28:03 am
For the first time in too many years, I am excited about a new Foretravel coach.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Siren on January 10, 2019, 12:28:35 am
I hate to say this but Susan and I were in this coach before Douglas and Amanda were even up this morning. It really does look nice.
Now wait wait wait wait wait.......we saw this coach at 10:15am, right after it came up the production line driveway. The slides weren't even out yet, and the engine was running.......I'm pretty sure we win! Just sayin'.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Caflashbob on January 10, 2019, 12:29:57 am
The gel batteries have 630 amp hours between the three. 210 each. Matches the 170 amp alternator to charge at 1/5th C.
As far as the 400d everything in a coach is "how much for what."
I built 37 custom Foretravel coaches in the late 80's personally as the ca factory store sales manager.
Where do you put the money in the build. More of this. Less of that.
I read the spec sheet and looked at the pictures.
Amazing job. Not east Texas at all. New world. New customers. Not built for us.
Let me tell you a true story,
Was at the beaver 10th anniversary rally in mid America in Shawnee Oklahoma.
Beavers sales manager jim Johnson looked around at all the older coaches and said "wow look at all the future customers."
I took him aside and said "those folks spent their money back then. They cannot trade up. They are enjoying the food and drinks at the rally. None will buy."
We here are not what I would think are trade up customers.
No insult but most here are looking for cheaper ways to fix there coaches and to stay on the road less expensively.
God bless you. I rebuilt countless trade ins to new interiors and awnings to help everyone enjoy a Foretravel.
C.M. Fore told me to allow "everyone to enjoy a Foretravel" word for word what he told me in person several times.
Made good money for my store and my salesman.
We did 59 new and 41 used on two tiny lots in 1988. One million dollars gross profit.
One out of a million could afford a new Foretravel then. Lower than that now.
Half the reason I post here when people talk about cutting the quality is that Foretravel would have fired me due to long term warranty issues.
"But you put in on my coach!"
If I did a top quality build that the customer had a trouble free ownership experience with they trusted me after that for the next coach.
Like the suggested cheap led undeecounter lights recommended here.
Almost all have burned out elements in them in low hours.
My guru buddy mentioned today that he has replaced a lot of these cheap under cabinet lights with more expensive higher quality proven parts.
Irritating to me to put in cheap parts that fail in a Foretravel.
Sorry for my rant but the posts about replacing quality oem parts with cheaper stuff is contrary to what C.M. built.
As one of the only factory people here I never put in sub standard stuff. Cost me business in the long run.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: jtm2014 on January 10, 2019, 06:36:12 am
More pictures: Foretravel Motorcoach - 2020 Foretravel ic-37 (http://foretravel.com/coach-view.php?id=791) Think they did a great job in building what people were asking for--hope it is a big seller !!
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: juicesqueezer on January 10, 2019, 12:23:18 pm
I hate to say this but Susan and I were in this coach before Douglas and Amanda were even up this morning. It really does look nice.
The fit and finish is very vell done. An updated cabinet style in real wood. Windows that actually open. The extra height makes it actually look stubby.
Basement storage is skimpy compared to our 2001 U320 36'. Yes it has AquaHot but a much smaller capacity one the we have. Smaller batteries, smaller generator and it weighs more than our coach does. And we are not fans of the dinette booth.
We heard this week that there is a single floor plan and few if any options at this point. Maybe not entirely correct.
We are not fans of the dinette booth either. The J lounge or dinette is just easier for us to get in and out of plus takes up less space. On storage, our '98 U320 40' was huge in storage even with the aqua hot taking up some room.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: juicesqueezer on January 10, 2019, 12:25:36 pm
We are heading over to the Tampa show on Wednesday. Foretravel is located over with Newell and Prevost. It will be our first stop! Nothing like drooling over what we wish we could afford! lol
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Green99 on January 10, 2019, 12:41:40 pm
So glad to see the interior look like an RV and not a cruise ship. I hope it is a huge success. I truly believed they listened to this group.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: John Haygarth on January 10, 2019, 12:51:56 pm
Did anyone notice the macerator toilet and HWH hydraulic jacks on this unit? They mention a rear exit door but I do not see it? Oh and prewired for solar, most proberbly just wire as stated. JohnH
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Siren on January 10, 2019, 01:07:18 pm
They mention a rear exit door but I do not see it?
When you look through the factory pictures, you can see the exit door right above the toilet. On the outside pictures, you'll see it midway down the coach on her left (port) side. It's pretty neat. And very discreet.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: turbojack on January 10, 2019, 01:15:16 pm
When you look through the factory pictures, you can see the exit door right above the toilet. On the outside pictures, you'll see it midway down the coach on her left (port) side. It's pretty neat. And very discreet.
And it even has a window in it. My wife has to have a window by the toilet. She has made comments about some that we look at that there is no window by the toilet.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: John Haygarth on January 10, 2019, 01:19:43 pm
I saw that in those outside pics but it said rear door and that is a mid door and for an emergency exit should NOT have n obsticle in front of it to climb over. That is a usual safety requirement, but, I guess if the front is on fire at least some way to get out. Not a big selling point to older ,larger people I would think. JohnH
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: OffTheGridRVs on January 10, 2019, 01:22:01 pm
Does anyone know what kind of combo washer that is? It looks much larger then a splendide, and I'm in the market for one to replace my 2000.
Beautiful coach for sure, great job Foretravel.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Siren on January 10, 2019, 01:48:06 pm
and for an emergency exit should NOT have an obstacle in front of it to climb over.
Yaahhh......but in a way, it is kinda nice to be able to sit down on the toilet with your legs hanging out the door and then be able to push your way out from the sitting position. For older, less physically capable folks, I imagine this seems like a slightly more appealing option than telling them to back out of a window on their shins.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on January 10, 2019, 01:52:37 pm
Did anyone notice the macerator toilet and HWH hydraulic jacks on this unit? They mention a rear exit door but I do not see it? Oh and prewired for solar, most proberbly just wire as stated. JohnH
Maybe the macerator toilet is the reason the second floorpan has the toilet and shower sides reversed. I also noticed the HWH jacks. The chassis comes with air leveling, but it is not very effective. I suspect due to the lack of outboard air bags.
I also noticed the wheelbase is much shorter than on my same-length 2003 U295. Must be a Spartan chassis limitation.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on January 10, 2019, 04:25:43 pm
Does anyone know what kind of combo washer that is? It looks much larger then a splendide, and I'm in the market for one to replace my 2000.
Beautiful coach for sure, great job Foretravel.
This coach has Whirlpool front load washer in the center closet and dryer unit in the driver side closet. The follow-on models will have stacked washer and dryers in the center closet to give you more closet space. Foretravel is also going to sliding panel doors for the center and driver side rear closet instead of cabinet doors. You will see this on the floor plans they have illustrated on page 15 of the 2020 Product Brochure.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: OffTheGridRVs on January 10, 2019, 08:38:29 pm
Thank you Oscar & Janet, that's why the washer looks so big.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: John S on January 11, 2019, 07:43:41 am
Saw that it had a 24k rear axle rating. I wonder how that will fly on some of the toll roads.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Jack Lewis on January 11, 2019, 07:55:48 am
Bridge Formula Weights- FHWA Freight Management and Operations (https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/publications/brdg_frm_wghts/index.htm) Some states have "weigh while moving" scales. Not sure if any one enforces the 20000 lb limit.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on January 11, 2019, 10:10:35 am
I think this change in the law takes care of those concerns:
"Change in Law for Motor Home Axle Weight on National Network Highways
Effective October 1, 2012
In 2011, Congress passed the Moving Ahead towards Progress in the 21st Century Act (MAP-21; Public Law 112-141), which re-authorized U.S. transportation programs, including those for highway and bridge building, maintenance and improvement. As part of that bill, the Recreation Vehicle Industry Association (RVIA), with the help of the Indiana Congressional delegation, was successful in obtaining an exception to the federal law that limits vehicle weight on roads and bridges (the "bridge formula.") The amendment provides an exception, which is the same as the bus industry has had for several years, that permits motorhomes to carry up to 24,000 lbs. on a single axle (previously limited to 20,000 lbs.).
Sec. 1522 of MAP-21requires that states, effective October 1, 2012, allow any motorhome equipped with the new axle weight to travel on the National Network (NN) of highways, which includes interstate highways and state-designated routes that provide reasonable access for travelers to food, fuel, repairs and rest.
Title 23 United States Code Section 127 provides the permanent bus and motorhome axle weight exception as follows:
(1) Exemption. - The second sentence of section 127 of title 23, United States Code, relating to axle weight limitations for vehicles using the Dwight D. Eisenhower System of Interstate and Defense Highways, shall not apply to -
(A) any over-the-road bus (as defined in section 301 of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (42 U.S.C. 12181));
(B) any vehicle that is regularly and exclusively used as an intrastate public agency transit passenger bus ; or
(C) any motor home (as defined in section 571.3 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations (or successor regulation)).
(2) State action. -
(A) Weight limitations. - A covered State, including any political subdivision of such State, may not enforce a single axle weight limitation of less than 24,000 pounds, including enforcement tolerances, on any vehicle referred to in paragraph (1) in any case in which the vehicle is using the Interstate System.
(B) Covered state defined. - In this paragraph, the term 'covered State' means a State that has enforced, in the period beginning on October 6, 1992, and ending on the date of enactment of this subparagraph [Nov. 30, 2005], a single axle weight limitation of 20,000 pounds or greater but less than 24,000 pounds, including enforcement tolerances, on any vehicle referred to in paragraph (1) in any case in which the vehicle is using the Interstate System. "
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Caflashbob on January 11, 2019, 02:18:45 pm
Thanks everyone for the current info.
I see that the 24,000 has allowed Foretravel to not need a tag on the IC 37.
The 228" WB will turn from a single lane road on each side onto another single lane road without crossing over the center lines.
It's close but those owners do not have to wait for the intersection to clear.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: ohsonew on January 12, 2019, 10:35:38 am
Just read this entire topic. Being a "new" model, didn't have much interest. Haven't read all the details given in the specs either. After seeing some of the pictures that have been posted told my wife I may have found my next coach. Her first words were " you mean OUR next coach." When she asked the price, she said "keep dreaming". My reply. in 2-3 years the used price will be just about right. One thing that I did notice was no transmission retarder. :o I love my retarder. Might have difficulty getting used to a Jake brake. I guess I have a couple of years to prepare.
Larry
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Tom Lang on January 12, 2019, 02:13:40 pm
It remains to be seen how well the IC-37 drives. The wheelbase is much shorter than my 2003 38' U295. Great for turning radius, not so for drivability.
As much as i love my retarder, I could get used to a 2-stage Jake. The retarder requires more attention than the Jake, watching the transmission temperature on a VmsPC or similar to prevent overheating. I would prefer to have both my 6-stage retarder and a light duty exhaust or heavy duty engine brake.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: ohsonew on January 12, 2019, 02:20:47 pm
Tom, that would make for one nice combination.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Tom Lang on January 12, 2019, 02:41:24 pm
I have never looked into it, but have heard that adding an exhaust brake would be a relatively simple task. Maybe not too expensive.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Caflashbob on January 12, 2019, 02:50:09 pm
Neighbor has a 2013 Tour with the 450/1250 and jake and he says it works well up and down hills.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: Tom Lang on January 19, 2019, 12:57:32 pm
Spartan, Foretravel Unveil 'Iron Colt' In Tampa - News Archives (https://www.rvbusiness.com/blog/Spartan-Foretravel-Unveil-Iron-Colt-In-Tampa.html)
Nice coverage
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: wolfe10 on January 19, 2019, 01:38:03 pm
I have never looked into it, but have heard that adding an exhaust brake would be a relatively simple task. Maybe not too expensive.
Multi-stage engine compression brake (aka Jake brake) is superior to an exhaust brake and is standard equipment.
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: jor on January 19, 2019, 02:08:14 pm
Jake brakes work great. No overheating. Easy peasy. Retarders are more fun though. jor
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: phenix40 on January 24, 2019, 02:13:36 pm
Saw the IC 37 in Nov coming down the line, told me IC stood for Iron Colt. Showed real nice at Tampa, hope they sell a bunch. From what I heard they sold the I H at the show! John
Title: Re: iC-37
Post by: valento on January 24, 2019, 03:01:29 pm
Yes, they sold the ih-45 showcoach at the show on Thursday of the show. What was really nice to see was the 3-slide layout of the ic-37. Very nicely done and am anxious to see one completed.