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Title: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Sven and Kristi on June 16, 2018, 02:32:22 pm
We are attending our fourth rally (two in California, one in Washington and now Oregon) here in Pendleton, Oregon. There is a concern among those who participate in rallies, that younger owners aren't interested. Our regional club (California) has over 90 dues paying Motorcaders, but only a handful that go to rallies. We are at a northwest group's rally, but most of us are from California. We are told that the Four Corners chapter has only one or two participants and count on others to participate. Other than that, meeting other owners (some again) has been pleasant and, as usual, we're the youngest couple. I mention this because there is a concern among those who participate in rallies, that younger owners aren't interested. Our regional club (California) has over 90 dues paying Motorcaders, but only a handful that go to rallies. Still, only six couples showed up, and for one, this is their last. There is some nostalgia, among the long time attendees, for the time when most were in their sixties and younger. It is possible that Pendleton isn't the greatest attraction, but it seems like there are fewer people each time we go. We can see a time in the near future, when this sort of thing will die out altogether. Considering the rarity of our brand and how seldom we see another on the road. it seems a shame.
Hopefully, this gets better.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on June 16, 2018, 03:58:26 pm
Sven, we are in the Great Plains Chapter and as I understand it is a bit low on members as well. We stumbled across one of their rallies when they were in Wisconsin but most of them are in Kansas or Oklahoma, at least two days drive for us so we don't go. The Great Lakes Chapter does a lot in Michigan which is closer and more appealing to us. We went to the GrandVention in Indiana a couple years ago because it was at Cummins. There were about 100 coaches there. We are glad we went, met several new and lasting friends.
We have discovered that the Forum and the Motorcade Club members are not all on the same page. Some belong to both groups but far from most. Motorcade goes back to the very early days of FT and it was the main way for people to connect and meet. A phone call was the primary means of communication. If you needed help you knew who to call. We met a 45 year member of the Motorcade Club in Indiana, not a Forum Member. I have no idea how many FTs they have had but they also got their 400,000 mile badge. Their FT community is in the Motorcade Club. For many of us it is the Forum.
The only way to get new members to join in is to invite them. Call or write, invite them, be their contact and guide. Welcome them and make the experience one they will want to do again. There are 7 or 8 Motorcade members in MN and I have yet to meet any of them. When I see their name as new members in the MC Magazine I try to send them a note welcoming them. Many of the newer members may not be retired yet and that makes what they can do and when more difficult.
Someday it would be fun to just have a mini rally of just those folks. But it takes some doing.
We have had the great joy of meeting many Forum Members partly because we let people know where we are going and when and because we go where they are. A trip through NAC every couple years is a great way to meet new folks and connect with old friends. We meet up with several when we go to Tucson in the winter, 9 last time. And 7 or 8 this year in Fredericksburg. We have had three FTs at Camp Hasting at one time and several FT visitors, mainly from TX, in the summer even if we are not here. It takes some doing but getting a group together can be lots of fun.
Not everyone likes the structured organization of a Motorcade Rally, many have a hard time with just one other coach. For many this is a solo adventure. We have traveled with two other FTs. That one worked well, with others maybe not so. Just getting together at one spot can be challenging. But we have found that most of us do what we want and share what we want with no expectations and not much organizing.
The Motorcade Club is another way to meet another cross section of FT owners and to share experiences. Make the best of both ways to connect and make new friends.
Susan and I are looking forward to meeting you and Kristi. Anyone named Sven should be from MN.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Old phart phred on June 16, 2018, 05:31:38 pm
I have not joined the motorcade yet, and their website gives the impression that it's restricted. Yes i finialy found out you can get to event site. I missed the rally a few weeks ago that was only 45 miles away, found out about it only a few days in advance, and thought about sprinting up there by car or bike but my weekend was already booked full. I would have liked to "see" what a rally is about. Maybe Miz Dani will give a report on the one in Kansas.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: wolfe10 on June 16, 2018, 05:35:30 pm
Every "group" we have belonged to has declining numbers. Absolutely it is the "we won't join" generation.
Doesn't matter if it is a service organization, RV organization, etc.
Life goes on!
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: MAZ on June 16, 2018, 05:45:27 pm
We went to one rally in Brooksville in 2011. That is where I met Gary Omel. Have not gone to another since. We were so much younger ( I think I was 46 at the time) than the other people and the things they had scheduled for the rally did not interest us that much. The people were great but it felt like going to a party with your grandparents I guess because of the age difference. I have stayed a member strictly for the tech support and parts discounts mainly. Also being a DV and on a budget the rallies are kind of expensive for me as well. That is my thoughts.
Mark
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: bigdog on June 16, 2018, 06:02:18 pm
We are attending our fourth rally (two in California, one in Washington and now Oregon) here in Pendleton, Oregon. There is a concern among those who participate in rallies, that younger owners aren't interested. Our regional club (California) has over 90 dues paying Motorcaders, but only a handful that go to rallies. We are at a northwest group's rally, but most of us are from California. We are told that the Four Corners chapter has only one or two participants and count on others to participate. Other than that, meeting other owners (some again) has been pleasant and, as usual, we're the youngest couple. I mention this because there is a concern among those who participate in rallies, that younger owners aren't interested. Our regional club (California) has over 90 dues paying Motorcaders, but only a handful that go to rallies. Still, only six couples showed up, and for one, this is their last. There is some nostalgia, among the long time attendees, for the time when most were in their sixties and younger. It is possible that Pendleton isn't the greatest attraction, but it seems like there are fewer people each time we go. We can see a time in the near future, when this sort of thing will die out altogether. Considering the rarity of our brand and how seldom we see another on the road. it seems a shame.
Hopefully, this gets better.
Outreach is a big issue. If the motorcader club really wanted to maximize their attendance. They would have a rep that monitors the forum, Announce events, Encourage non-members (via this forum) to at least get on the Motorcader mailing list. I live in Walla Walla 40 miles from Pendleton and had no idea they were going to have a rally. Would have been super easy to go. And boom there's the problem. If you don't put out the open sign, Your likely not going to have many customers.
Brett is also spot on. I'm president of a camera club and at $25 a year, It's not a budget buster to join. Yet new members are very hard to come by. Then there is the issue of only about 25% of our 30 members show up for anything.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: folivier on June 16, 2018, 06:03:01 pm
As new FT owners, what do you members feel about the other benefits to being a Motorcade member?
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: John Morales on June 16, 2018, 07:11:54 pm
FMCA is also experiencing the same issues. That's why they chose to include towables.
I'm a Motorcade member and an FMCA member. In reality we end up attending more FMCA Rallies than Motorcade Rallies. They are both different in their own way. The cost, the food and the activities are completely different. In my opinion it is more costly to attend a Motorcade Rally than a FMCA.
The younger generation is not getting into motorhomes. Let's face it, the cost of a motorhome is not reachable for them. The cost of owning a home is also difficult for the younger generation. Many are moving into Tiny Homes. The Tiny Home movement is growing. The times are changing.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: fkjohns6083 on June 16, 2018, 08:16:03 pm
We are not motorcade members primarily because the traveling that we do is mostly associated with family and the rallies are usually a long way away from us. We would probably have made the Pendelton rally if we were still in Wash St., however, we are now living in SW Missouri. We have family from coast to coast and traveling to see them is our priority. (my 6 remaining siblings, Kathies 7 siblings, 16 grand kids and 13 great grand kids and nieces, nephews, great nieces and nephews) It has to be very co-incidental for us to make a rally during one of our visiting tours. Nothing personal folks, just life in a very loving and supportive family. Have a great day ---- Fritz
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: jcus on June 16, 2018, 08:37:19 pm
Only been to a couple of rallies, but the 10% discount and same day live tech support make it worthwhile to me. Also like the free camping in the factory lot if I am passing through. Foretravel Motorcoach - Foretravel Motorcade Club (http://www.foretravel.com/motorcade.php)
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on June 16, 2018, 09:03:21 pm
Motorcade membership is free for the first calendar when you sigh up. After that is is $100 if I recall correctly. With that you get to call James Triana for technical support. And you get 10% discount at FOT and MOT on most normal services and parts. It does not apply on remodels and paint. We have been a member since 2011 and have saved our $100 bucks every year. We get to NAC nearly every year, buy parts and have them shipped and called when we were really stumped. We get to stay at Camp FT for a couple nights free when we are there (usually more). We have been on one Motorcade event and while it seemed a bit pricey it included meals, entertainment, two tours of Cummins facilities and best of all all of the people we got to meet. In the end it was well worth it.
There are folks at FT who watch the Forum. It seems they don't interact publicly but may behind the scenes.
Is it worth it? Certainly for the first year. After that it is up to you.
Like Brett said, there are fewer and fewer joiners, fewer people open to shared experiences. Lots of folks today who want to go it alone. We enjoy being on our own too but this community has vastly improved the FT experience and the good friends we have made have improved our lives. Thanks to all.
I can't help but think of the wide impact Gary Omel had on so many of us. If not for his joining in, being an active part of the community where would so many of us be.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: John S on June 16, 2018, 09:32:09 pm
I know I have made many friends at our rallies. We are a tedhnical bunch though. We weighed the coaches at all four corners and then the towed car. We bought a group purchase of d2 governors and we all greased our brakes with mobile one. Lots of information is shared and coaches are looked over. Our mid Atlantic group has shrunk with the closing of TN kodk store. We had a rlly in Lexington KY and we had coaches from MI to VA there. Our numbers have dwindled. I think the last rally I held had 32 members ther we had 9 his time and usually have 12 or so now
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: valento on June 16, 2018, 09:38:14 pm
According to the Fall 2017 Motorcader as of January 1st of this year Foretravel "will no longer be offering the one year complimentary membership to first time owners." I still think it is worth the money and plan to join once I become a Foretravel owner.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Old phart phred on June 16, 2018, 10:10:37 pm
The people were great but it felt like going to a party with your grandparents I guess because of the age differences
That my friends is called experience, and that alone may be worth the addmission price. Just the opportunity to set next to a well seasoned veteran and let them tell you their experience may well save you $$$$. The new enlightened generation can't seem to figure this out, maybe that's why they struggle and languish. I'm not that old and lack motorcoach wisdom, technical knowledge yes, been there done that as a motorcoach owner NO!
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: EricFromPA on June 16, 2018, 10:34:15 pm
Following up on Old Phart Phred's post - there's an old proverb that says, "if you want good advice, ask an older person." People that have traveled farther down the road have so much knowledge and wisdom to share. Can't put a price on it.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Jeff & Sandy on June 16, 2018, 10:42:45 pm
My wife and I are 59 and 60. When we head out in the motorhome we don't like a set schedule or structured events. We love the more low key un-rally's and traveling with fellow Fortravelors. We have met life long friends doing it that way. We do belong to the Motorcade but do not see ourselves doing an organized rally.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Sven and Kristi on June 16, 2018, 11:03:19 pm
"Would have been super easy to go. And boom there's the problem. If you don't put out the open sign, Your likely not going to have many customers."
The organizer of this rally sent out 70 emails to those who had joined the chapter. I had asked, on this forum, if anyone would be attending and Saddlesore mentioned that he was getting ready to head out a week ago.
These rallys are loosely organized by regular members who may live near the area and have some idea of what to do and see. They go to a lot of trouble setting it up, something most people won't do. There is a lot of free time to explore on our own and we don't have to go on the tours they set up. Left on our own, we would have missed a lot. It would never have occurred to us to have stopped in Pendleton. We didn't drive to Pendleton from San Diego specifically for the rally. We often chose a time to coincide with a rally that is in an area we want to visit. In this case, Idaho and Washington. It looks like the Northwest chapter will be coming to an end, not for lack of money, but lack of interest.
The cost for this rally was $40 and we could buy tickets for whatever we wanted to participate in.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: pugmom on June 16, 2018, 11:13:54 pm
My husband and I were really looking forward to the Mid south rally and subsequent motorcade trip on the Chism trail. Due to the coach still being in Nacogdoches, we had to cancel out. Yes, I guess you can say we belong to the older group of over 60. But in all our travels since we got our coach, we have only met two other FT's. Neither belonged to the forum or motorcade , that is not counting the folks at the ladies driving school, the 50 year anniversary party and while on Nac for work. For us, we plan to attend our mid south rally this fall, with a little luck and meet folks. If we do meet other FT folks that aren't aware of the foreforums,we plan to let them know and about the regional rallies too. It seems like on the forum that only the classic coaches are talked about, I lerk here alot and enjoy the posts, but I think that there is only one other Nimbus owner who participates and one Phenix owner also. I currently am working on a rally for another forum, this time being held close to the west coast. There is a ton of work that goes into a rally, local rallies depend on their members, larger rallies take 10 times the work. Especially trying to find a park large enough to accommodate 75-125 rigs. Entertainment for folks, things to see or do all take planning, contacts etc. Trying to line up vendors and instructors. Trying to find trips that folks want to go on. Then you get snarky comments about the site chosen. It doesn't seem like the younger group can appreciate the work that goes into a rally, grandvention etc.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: sedelange on June 16, 2018, 11:21:24 pm
We have stopped joining any groups. In the last 10 years, the political divide has become so severe that any slip that causes a discussion to become toxic. We have retreated to the association of our immediate friends to avoid the unpleasantness. We just returned from a 30 trip and enjoyed each other's company immensely.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: bbeane on June 17, 2018, 12:13:00 am
We are full timers and don't travel on a schedule. Additionally, we boondock whenever possible enjoy the piece and quiet, and the dog likes the no leash tour. In the past 4 years we have met some great friends both Foretravel owners as well other folks, and enjoy seeing them when we bump into each other. Just can't do the club/rally thing just a bit too structured for us. But as they say every body gets to do what they like. 😎
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: bigdog on June 17, 2018, 01:10:17 am
"Would have been super easy to go. And boom there's the problem. If you don't put out the open sign, Your likely not going to have many customers."
The organizer of this rally sent out 70 emails to those who had joined the chapter. I had asked, on this forum, if anyone would be attending and Saddlesore mentioned that he was getting ready to head out a week ago.
These rallys are loosely organized by regular members who may live near the area and have some idea of what to do and see. They go to a lot of trouble setting it up, something most people won't do. There is a lot of free time to explore on our own and we don't have to go on the tours they set up. Left on our own, we would have missed a lot. It would never have occurred to us to have stopped in Pendleton. We didn't drive to Pendleton from San Diego specifically for the rally. We often chose a time to coincide with a rally that is in an area we want to visit. In this case, Idaho and Washington. It looks like the Northwest chapter will be coming to an end, not for lack of money, but lack of interest.
The cost for this rally was $40 and we could buy tickets for whatever we wanted to participate in.
I stand corrected then. I hadn't seen that post. And that's my fault as I have got myself into trouble so often on the forum that I only visit occasionally anymore.
The Foretravel population is rather sparse in the NW. So they have that going against them.
I did drive to Pendleton today to say hi to the group. But as is the norm with me and all things Foretravel. It didn't work out as planned. I missed most everyone. They were headed out to supper just as I arrived. I did manage to talk a short time with local Wa. member Doug Campbell with the IH45.
I still plan on joining the club.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: saddlesore on June 17, 2018, 02:05:58 am
I stand corrected then. I hadn't seen that post. And that's my fault as I have got myself into trouble so often on the forum that I only visit occasionally anymore.
The Foretravel population is rather sparse in the NW. So they have that going against them.
I did drive to Pendleton today to say hi to the group. But as is the norm with me and all things Foretravel. It didn't work out as planned. I missed most everyone. They were headed out to supper just as I arrived. I did manage to talk a short time with local Wa. member Doug Campbell with the IH45.
I still plan on joining the club.
DUDE!!!! The little "toaster car" that stopped next to you while you were talking to Doug was I !!!! Wished I'd have known it twas You..now just bummed... red & Nancy
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Lon and Cheryl on June 17, 2018, 02:33:22 am
My wife and I are 59 and 60. When we head out in the motorhome we don't like a set schedule or structured events. We love the more low key un-rally's and traveling with fellow Fortravelors. We have met life long friends doing it that way. We do belong to the Motorcade but do not see ourselves doing an organized rally.
Young HOOLIGANS, HOOLIGANS I tell ya!!!! WHIPPERSNAPPERS! Why If I get my hands on my cane I'll beat some sense in ya! Might get a good ear boxing too! Oh , STAY OFF MY LAWN!!!!!!!!!! My air hose tooooooooo!
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: bigdog on June 17, 2018, 03:18:40 am
DUDE!!!! The little "toaster car" that stopped next to you while you were talking to Doug was I !!!! Wished I'd have known it twas You..now just bummed... red & Nancy
Yep. That car is certainly shaped like a toaster, And with that beard you were sporting I nearly whipped out my wish list for Christmas :)) :))
Rbark is coming to Wally world on Sunday and we are going to meet up somewhere after I get done with Sunday service. There's about a million wineries here to visit (if one likes wine) I'll take single malt whiskey thank you very much.
Doug invited me to the banquet Sunday afternoon. Not sure if that is cool though as I'm not an official motorcader member and not actually part of the rally. So that might be inappropriate of me to crash the party.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on June 17, 2018, 09:14:05 am
Dog, GO! Every FT owner is a welcome guest, MC member or not. It is a gathering of friends always open to new ones.
Say Hi to Richard and Betty (rbark) for us. We met them at the GV in Indiana three years ago and work at crossing paths with them.
Roger
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: speedbird1 on June 17, 2018, 09:32:02 am
Hi Big Dog,
I knew nothing about Pendleton until it was too late and like you and Doug, I am one of the few from the NW. Doug Campbell was the original owner of my coach so would have liked to meet him.
The silly part is that I was in Pendleton twice last Wednesday, but in an airplane going too and from the Oregon coast!!
Speedbird1
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Jack Lewis on June 17, 2018, 09:57:59 am
Every "group" we have belonged to has declining numbers. Absolutely it is the "we won't join" generation.
Doesn't matter if it is a service organization, RV organization, etc.
Life goes on!
Membership issues will always be an issue. I was unable to attend Penelton and really wanted to drive my car at least for one day. We could not.
The comment that since Foretravels are so few, this is an issue in the west. Believe me, it is an issue everywhere, with most rv groups. Having worked in retail for so long, over the years I've seen many many rv groups struggle to keep just the present membership.
Thus I will always continue to support this group of rebels, who have discovered quality, and appreciate the previous owner that took care of their "new to them" rvs (and to those that made the right life choices that let them buy a new FT.) Recently, helped an out of state traveler find a quality shop with a good reputation. I hope everyone understands the need to continue to support the rallies and this forum.
My wife after doing her first couple rallies more that 20 yrs ago said "only nice people buy rvs". I can say the same. (and that has been made difficult by some to say). I believe in "we have no idea what others are dealing with, so just be kind".
Meeting folks at rallies, let go of your expectations and you will make genuine friends. I still check in on others that I've met years ago in the 70's thru now, and have "kids" I met in the 70's doing the same with me.
This thread should be important to all that read it. Thank you to Swen and Kristi for starting it and to Brett Wolfe for his wisdom. May all continue to participate in what ever way works for you.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: bigdog on June 17, 2018, 11:51:52 am
I knew nothing about Pendleton until it was too late and like you and Doug, I am one of the few from the NW. Doug Campbell was the original owner of my coach so would have liked to meet him.
The silly part is that I was in Pendleton twice last Wednesday, but in an airplane going too and from the Oregon coast!!
Speedbird1
You seem to stay about 50 miles away from Walla Walla Speedbird. :)) First Kennewick, Now Pendleton. When I see Doug again. I'll mention your coach. He did say that he missed his old coach (yours I assume) and said that our era of coaches were the best that FT made. High praise from an IH45 owner.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: rbark on June 17, 2018, 12:21:23 pm
Big dog, as Roger said, 'anyone is welcomed to any rally' These things aren't private parties. If we end up not meeting today, do come for the potluck dinner tonight! I'll just say this about these rally's,' it takes some effort by both sides to put one of these things on". To some it's worth it so that's why they do it.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Ted & Karen on June 17, 2018, 01:37:45 pm
We have been to several chapter rallies - enjoyed them all. Got to meet some new Foretravel friends and see interesting things. We are full timers and try to see if there is a rally in an area we want to be in, if so we go. We have also met friends at Un-rallies, Fredericksburg, Quartzite, Tucumcari, NM, etc. I always make sure to introduce myself to a fellow Foretraveler whenever possible.
There is a rally the Four Corners is having that we have interest in but family with health issues are preventing us from signing up now. I really want to go up Pikes Peak and seeing the Air Force Academy would be fun too. We will see how issues play out, maybe we can make it.
We are in our mid 60's ( young or old depends on your point of view- I used to think this was old), but have been to chapter rallies on the west coast and east coast. My suggestion is look at what the rallies are doing, if interested, try one if it is possible. You might enjoy it, make new friends. etc.
Do what makes you happy , as our friend Dave M. always said...................... ^.^d
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Forewheelers on June 17, 2018, 01:58:08 pm
We have been to a few rallies and something that surprises me is FT hdqtrs. Lack of attendance. We are the ones that buy parts, service and what ever else. There has been two occasions that I know about where someone showed up looking at and asking questions about foretravel motorhomes. If they had been there with one for sale they might have been hitchhiking back to Nac. Never the less these rallies are good outings and fellowship. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Caflashbob on June 17, 2018, 02:08:20 pm
Times have changed. Duh. When I started at Foretravel in 1984 rving was the wild and wooly west. No instant info. Limited campgrounds. Less reliable coaches. Less experience.
Owners wanted and needed to get together physically to meet and find new friends and exchange info.
The internet has decreased the need for meeting in person.
Much bigger club rally right here...
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Siren on June 17, 2018, 02:47:03 pm
I listen to these types of discussions intently; often times I have thoughts but choose not to express them, mostly because I can't seem to organize these thoughts clearly. I'll try.
I guess we are considered to be a part of the "younger" generation - I am 39. We have been fulltimers in our Foretravel for 5 years this August. We have been motorcade members from the beginning, enjoying the discounts on parts, and the stopovers at Camp Foretravel. I have wanted to do the Ladies Driving School every year, but our schedule doesn't permit us to be in Nac at that time. We have not participated in a Motorcade event yet. We haven't been able to attend one yet, mainly due to our work schedule. The concern that "younger" people aren't attending rallies is a real one. "Younger" people still work, and most of these events are held during the work week. Of course, if they are moved to a weekend, then there is the concern that there are very few free weekends for people to enjoy, and vacation days will probably be spent with family and popular destinations.
I understand and see the desire and the need and want for organizations to change and adapt to the times to get more members, but I don't like change. For decades, centuries really, memberships to clubs were a social outlet for people and a way to connect with other like minded people. Like it or not, most people today don't "need" that because of the internet and "free" online communities. Not right or wrong, just different.
I was disappointed when FMCA allowed towables. We attended a big FMCA national rally, and had the time of lives. We learned SO MUCH. Were we the youngest people there? Absolutely. But I never "noticed" it, or wished that they had more "entertainment" or "activities" for "younger" people. We loved it just the way it was. Because we felt like we could really identify with the majority of people there.
I am sure we would feel the same way at a Motorcade rally.
I am sad to see groups that I love feeling restless to change and reinvent themselves. I wish they could all just embrace what they are, and just be. I like them the way they are. I know, I know....it's not that easy. There are boards and board meetings and bylaws and minutes and motions and votes and ........ugh. So much structure. It's such a hard balance, because the structure to a club is important, but most people don't want to get bogged down in the details and politics of membership boards. They join the club for the benefits and enjoyment. I just like showing up and having fun. Thank you Thank you Thank you to all of you who have served on boards. I could never do it, but I am happy to be a cheerleader and supporter of your organization.
It has been mentioned many times that "younger" people aren't buying motorhomes. Of course not. They are more expensive with less living space than a 5th wheel, and most of them have a young family and a dog or two, therefore it makes a lot of sense to buy a 5th wheel with slides. It's more economical, more space, and seemingly easier maintenance. I'm not saying this is right, I'm just saying it is.
Ironically, this is a big reason we identify with the "motorhome" community so much more. "Older people buy motorhomes." We feel that we have a lot more in common with this age group. We love and appreciate the wisdom and stories and conversations shared with those who have had more experience than us. Not even RV experience, just life experience. The older people get, the more they mellow and slow down and appreciate and enjoy the simplicities in life. I should say they are fortunate enough to get to slow down and appreciate the simpler things. That's us. That's not most "younger" people. Again, not wrong or right, just different. We do not have children by choice. Most younger people who buy RV's aren't doing it to fulltime, they are doing it to camp; raise their families outdoors, enjoy a weekend with friends fishing. So much more practical to buy a travel trailer or even a 5th wheel.
I can easily see us loving a motorcade event/rally, and one day, our schedule will allow us to do that. I just hope that they continue to embrace exactly what they are, and find the magical solution for sustainability so that I can enjoy them. Stop worrying about the "younger" generation; one day, they will be the "older" generation and have the same concerns. Just different. ;)
That my friends is called experience, and that alone may be worth the admission price. Just the opportunity to set next to a well seasoned veteran and let them tell you their experience may well save you $$$$.
^.^d Amen to that!!! ^.^d
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: speedbird1 on June 17, 2018, 06:33:18 pm
Yes, Big Dog, My coach is the one that Doug Campbell traded for his new one and is still as immaculate as he and his wife kept it. It is also the one that I showed you when we were passing near to Walla Walla on our way to get a Silverleaf panel fitted in Oregon. About that time your adventure was starting and I still remember "HOW" it started but not a well as you did!!! But now I am about to leave the scene and get the coach sold to another lucky camper!! ( if a real buyer shows up??) Speedbird 1
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: MAZ on June 17, 2018, 06:42:42 pm
That my friends is called experience, and that alone may be worth the addmission price. Just the opportunity to set next to a well seasoned veteran and let them tell you their experience may well save you $$$$. The new enlightened generation can't seem to figure this out, maybe that's why they struggle and languish.
Couldn't agree more. There is wisdom in the multitude of counselors.
Mark
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on June 17, 2018, 09:31:33 pm
Teaching is the best way to learn. One learns much faster solving a problem and doing the work. The older I get the more I learn from younger people. They are not constrained by my preconceptions. If you don't listen you will never hear anyone including yourself. Life is well spent learning.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: John S on June 17, 2018, 11:07:21 pm
Well I was glad to passed the Batton Siren. I used to be the youngest when I bought my first FT in my 30s. I found I could do chapter rallies and grandvention but not the motorcades. I still work and don't have a month off at a time.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Miz Dani on June 18, 2018, 08:27:52 am
....well I happen to love it all...the Foretravel rallies & the "un-rallies" ....haven't been able to do an actual motorcade yet but have attended at least 25 rallies in the past 4+years (was a member of 3 chapters for 4 years) & hosted three for 3 different chapters...(& already working on a 4th for fall 2019). There is so much learning that takes place & so many trips to wonderful places & experiences & adventures I'd never have discovered on my own. Plus, the wisdom from the elders is priceless....the fellowship is very special, you feel you truly have a family, with wisdom passed down thru the generations, so it kind of feels like each GrandVention you are coming home again.
I will do everything in my power to keep this club tradition alive & carry the torch whether or not we have much younger members. There are actually lots of us in our 50's and 60's so we'll be moving up into the roles that the elders have now one day. I do feel perhaps it would be a good idea (& it's been done & will be done again) to consolidate the smaller/less active chapters' rallies, 2-3 of them getting together...but it takes teamwork. It is a lot of work (but a lot of reward!) for just one or two. I think the main difference between the official rallies & the casual gathering of friends is not only the chance to hang out together (give 'em plenty of free time to explore on their own & visit) but especially the opportunity to experience things and places unique to only a certain area or town, "hidden" things that only the locals would know, making it that much richer an experience for all.
...just my two cents....but I feel pretty strongly about it since I have experienced so much of the official rally activity, so for those who haven't been to many, or feel perhaps it's too structured, I'd encourage you all to get involved, become a little more active and accept a role in leadership in the local chapters, sure, it's more fun to just attend but the ones behind the scenes can't always do it all.
Cheers, and hope to see y'all down the road!
*edit* ....in reviewing this thread again, I note that many of those commenting have never attended even one official FT rally....& many are not even MC club members. MC membership is not optional in attending a chapter rally or club event, one must have their motorcade numbers on their coaches. Also, official rallies are really not open to casual visitors & folks who wish to drop by to say hello, unless you happen to know someone who invites you to come by for a casual visit on the "free time." Meals/activities are planned well in advance & attendees have sometimes paid a couple of hundred bucks a couple (depending on attractions, admission to activities, catered meals, etc.) so dropping in is not really an option for those occasions. Hate to sound like a stuffy ol' lady but I've done this more than a few times & in discussion with the powers that be, this is the general rule of thumb. A final note, it does take a lot of work, research trips, & often quite a lot of extra expense on the part of the planners, so unless support is offered in the way of helping to "put one on", remember it is always best to speak from experience, not just speculation. Sure, everybody likes to come for a good time but very few want to chip in and help with the work involved. Just my two additional cents, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Ben and Bonnie on June 18, 2018, 11:15:05 am
Dani that was well said. We love going to our chapter rallies and we have hosted 5 rallies over the years. We have had help with co hosts for most of them. They do involve work but they are so rewarding too. You know that you have played a part in helping the club survive. It has been difficult in recent years to get people to host rallies and take our officer positions in the mid Atlantic chapter. We are hoping that we will have more participation in the future. We have a wonderful group of members that have become close friends over the years. Even though Ben and I have downsized from our 40' Foretravel to a smaller class C we are still members of the club and still host and attend rallies. I would encourage all to try a chapter rally first. It is a great way to get your feet wet and meet some great like minded folks. Ben and Bonnie Harris. 2006 Dynamax Isata 282
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: bigdog on June 18, 2018, 01:54:56 pm
Dog, GO! Every FT owner is a welcome guest, MC member or not. It is a gathering of friends always open to new ones.
Say Hi to Richard and Betty (rbark) for us. We met them at the GV in Indiana three years ago and work at crossing paths with them.
Roger
Roger, My wife and I did end up going to the banquet. Met Sven/Kristi, Saddlesore, Rbark, Wagon masters Doug Campbell and his lovely wife, Jerry & and wife. (Apologies for not remembering the names of everyone) Everybody was very nice and we had a good meal and conversation. Even sat in on the meeting and discussed the chapters future and possible ways to keep it going. Mr. Campbell kept trying to get me to raise my hand when the call for new officers came up. The NW chapter only has 70ish members in total and covers a very big geographic area. So the issues faced here are unique given the typical distances and the lack of Foretravel density. I also had the misconception that the rallies were far more structured than they actually are. Could be that the designation "rally" to the newbie looking to join brings up a vision far different than the reality.
The wife and I will be rejoining the NW chapter as we now have more time to travel since she retired two months ago.
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on June 18, 2018, 02:51:19 pm
Jerry, Some of our very good friends are from the FT communities and the way to meet them is to participate, reach out and join in. You will get out of these relationships good friends and new experiences. Believe me they matter.
I am very glad you went and met some of the same people we have along the way. Roger
Title: Re: Motorcader rallies - headed for extinction?
Post by: kb0zke on June 18, 2018, 06:40:54 pm
We've had our Foretravel for over five years now and have been a Motorcade member the entire time. We've never attended any rallies, either chapter or Motorcade because they don't seem to match our schedule. We keep looking, though, and some day maybe things will line up and we'll be there.