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Title: 100% Load
Post by: jor on July 08, 2018, 11:15:50 am
Here's another for you diesel guys. Is there any advantage to pulling a hill at less than 100% load? I don't have VMS on this rig but on others I was able to watch the engine load percentage (always got a kick out of that). Anyhow, I would often pull hills at 100% while keeping RPMs up. Just wondered.

Interesting tidbit: Our last M11 was rated at 1400 pounds of torque (400 hp). The VMS would always top out at 1393. Always wondered where my other seven pounds went.
jor
Title: Re: 100% Load
Post by: jcus on July 08, 2018, 11:30:26 am
Here's another for you diesel guys. Is there any advantage to pulling a hill at less than 100% load? I don't have VMS on this rig but on others I was able to watch the engine load percentage (always got a kick out of that). Anyhow, I would often pull hills at 100% while keeping RPMs up. Just wondered.

Interesting tidbit: Our last M11 was rated at 1400 pounds of torque (400 hp). The VMS would always top out at 1393. Always wondered where my other seven pounds went.
jor
Just my experiences with two m-ll's with vmspc and pyrometers. At 100% load, even at higher rpms, egt's will climb slowly to 1400 f. or so and stay there. In the short run probably no problem, but I normally backed off after a minute or so, to 80 or 90% where pyro temps were less than 1250 f.
Title: Re: 100% Load
Post by: Roger & Susan in Home2 on July 08, 2018, 11:43:38 am
There is no direct measurement of HP or Torque.  VMSpc uses torque and HP vs rpm curves and other bits to calculate those numbers.  As I understand it engine load is a reported number. 

I try to keep engine load under 100%.  If you can drop a gear and increase rpms the engine load will go down.  Every coach with the engine and transmission it has and the weight of the coach and toad has sweet spots where everything seems to come into a balance for performance, efficiency and driver comfort level. 
Title: Re: 100% Load
Post by: squeezer on July 09, 2018, 01:25:07 pm
Diesels by design like to run excess air. If running at a point where increasing the throttle does not increase RPM's all the extra fuel is doing is adding heat...

Title: Re: 100% Load
Post by: jcus on July 09, 2018, 01:35:41 pm
Diesels by design like to run excess air. If running at a point where increasing the throttle does not increase RPM's all the extra fuel is doing is adding heat...


Many Semi's and some motorhomes have mechanical pyrometers and boost gauges stock from the factory. They will give a good indication of actual engine load and if it is producing full power.
Title: Re: 100% Load
Post by: Keith and Joyce on July 09, 2018, 04:47:21 pm
Running at 100% load won't kill anything but it's not good practice.  If you are in 6th and at 100% load you are probably running at low RPM.  This won't hurt the engine unless it starts lugging.  You need revs to power the cooling fans and keep them up to speed, that's why you drop a gear when the trans, retarder or engine temps climb.  Also you have nothing left in reserve at 100%.  The coach will just feel right when it's at operated at it's best. 

Different engines have different operating parameters.  It used to be an absolute no no to lug an engine, revs were everything.  Then the fuel crisis hit and operating at low RPM's became the thing.  With Cummins newer engines they can operate happily at 1,000 RPMs.

Keith
Title: Re: 100% Load
Post by: Caflashbob on July 10, 2018, 01:58:45 am
The ability to lug and pull makes a vehicle easier to drive IMO.

Passed last year on a old low mile v8 luxury car because it was a revver. Dead off idle, 03 model.

Bought another brand low mile  08 v8 luxury car recently instead and it has both amazing torque and runs at 80 at 2,000 rpm and pulls well with light throttle. 

And I fairly fast if revved.  Hard to get both.

Took a lot of time (4 years)  to get our m11 coach to pull at low rpm versus downshift and still rev out well.




Title: Re: 100% Load
Post by: TG on July 10, 2018, 02:30:31 pm
Here's another for you diesel guys. Is there any advantage to pulling a hill at less than 100% load? I don't have VMS on this rig but on others I was able to watch the engine load percentage (always got a kick out of that). Anyhow, I would often pull hills at 100% while keeping RPMs up. Just wondered.

Interesting tidbit: Our last M11 was rated at 1400 pounds of torque (400 hp). The VMS would always top out at 1393. Always wondered where my other seven pounds went.
jor
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