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Title: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: OSIN on September 22, 2018, 10:20:26 pm
This is actually a 2 part question.

1st: Our water pump stopped working a few weeks ago, blew an undersized by PO fuse (city water connection OK at the time). Replaced the fuse with a 15 Amp, instantly blew. I wrongly assumed it was a bad pump, (possibly original)  Replaced pump last night, Fuse blew again? 

I understand there should be a relay for this, but have no idea where it's located? I was gong to check there 1st. Any ideas?

2nd:  Yesterday at a nice RV park we stayed at many times, no water with a verified city connection (plenty of water out of the spigot) When i tried a bathroom faucet, we noticed a pulsing/knocking sound, but of course no water.

Tried again at a new RV park .....Same thing?

Thanks in advance, Paul
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: craneman on September 22, 2018, 10:34:43 pm
Is your fill switch on?
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: OSIN on September 22, 2018, 10:58:13 pm
I don't have a "Fill Switch" that I know of, but I do have a "Tank Fill" 2-way valve under the bathroom sink, and it's off
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: Pamela & Mike on September 23, 2018, 07:52:41 am
I understand there should be a relay for this, but have no idea where it's located? I was gong to check there 1st. Any ideas?

Paul,
The closing relay should be hid in the basement behind the fiberglass cover where some of your 12vdc breakers are located.  This is usually on the basement wall on the drivers side in the bay just in front of the service bay (the bay where you hook up your shore lines in).

Mike

Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: red tractor on September 23, 2018, 08:33:52 pm
It sounds like the check valve to keep the water from coming back out when the hose is unhooked and the pump is on has come apart and is restricting the flow into the coach. Does your coach have a pull out hose or does it have a fitting in the water bay where you screw the water hose in? Look there if the hose hooks into the fitting in the water bay but if the pull out hose then you will have to dig deeper to find the check valve.
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: OSIN on September 23, 2018, 09:25:52 pm
It sounds like the check valve to keep the water from coming back out when the hose is unhooked and the pump is on has come apart and is restricting the flow into the coach. Does your coach have a pull out hose or does it have a fitting in the water bay where you screw the water hose in? Look there if the hose hooks into the fitting in the water bay but if the pull out hose then you will have to dig deeper to find the check valve.
Thanks, I do have a power reel, with attached hose, now I need to find a schematic to locate the check valve, that sounds like it may be the problem.  I always use a pressure regulator device, but maybe it was just time for it to fail.

Will let you know what I find....1st a hunt for a schematic/layout
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: OSIN on September 23, 2018, 09:28:32 pm
Paul,
The closing relay should be hid in the basement behind the fiberglass cover where some of your 12vdc breakers are located.  This is usually on the basement wall on the drivers side in the bay just in front of the service bay (the bay where you hook up your shore lines in).

Mike



Thanks, I'll start looking there...I have 2 other major issues to look at, but we're in a park for 2 weeks so that will help...LOL
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: Pamela & Mike on September 23, 2018, 09:43:56 pm
now I need to find a schematic to locate the check valve, that sounds like it may be the problem.

Paul,
IIRC your check  valve is in the nipple that connects your hose reel to the coach PEX. On some of the coaches with the reel I have found it in the PEX line behind the vanity cover that hides the sewer dump valves and related piping,

Mike
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: OSIN on September 23, 2018, 09:51:07 pm
Paul,
IIRC your check  valve is in the nipple that connects your hose reel to the coach PEX. On some of the coaches with the reel I have found it in the PEX line behind the vanity cover that hides the sewer dump valves and related piping,

Mike
Thanks, I'll start taking covers off in the am. Is this a common item, (never heard of one in an RV) or something I need to purchase through FOT Parts Dept.
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: Pamela & Mike on September 24, 2018, 07:27:08 am
Is this a common item, (never heard of one in an RV) or something I need to purchase through FOT Parts Dept.

Paul,
The last back flow check valve that I had to replace on a coach with a hose reel the check valve was just a 1/2" by 2" long brass nipple with a spring loaded check valve built inside of it. Here is a link to what I am talking about https://www.specialtymfg.com/valve-catalog/810-SERIES-PISTON-CHECK-VALVE.pdf      They are available off the net or a plumbing supply house.

Mike
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: OSIN on September 29, 2018, 01:09:22 am
Paul,
The last back flow check valve that I had to replace on a coach with a hose reel the check valve was just a 1/2" by 2" long brass nipple with a spring loaded check valve built inside of it. Here is a link to what I am talking about https://www.specialtymfg.com/valve-catalog/810-SERIES-PISTON-CHECK-VALVE.pdf      They are available off the net or a plumbing supply house.

Mike
Thanks Much! This solved the City Water issue. I took the wet bay apart after work, and cleaned everything. (had evidence of a furry visitor in the past) Washed out and bleached..

I located the check valve on the extreme left side of the bay buried beside the black ABS. After a few kind words I was able to replace this valve, (the old one did not appear to be sticking). I have city water, but now the water runs out of the faucet normal for a bit, then slows to a trickle for about 5-1- seconds then returns to a normal stream?  That's good for now, Still have no Pump, as I have not had the time to tear the other side apart yet.

I'm more concerned with not being able to drive out of here because of out leveling system problem, the pump can wait...Yikes.
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: wolfe10 on September 29, 2018, 08:52:19 am
Be sure to remove ALL the water from the wet bay floor.  You don't want it migrating down into the rear bulkhead area!
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: nitehawk on September 29, 2018, 09:01:44 am
I've had two backflow preventor valves "malfunction" in less than a year. This last time I pulled the insides out of the valve and put a brass manual shutoff  (like the ones sold in the garden department at a store)between the hose end and the now non functioning backflow preventor valve.
No more problems with water going out the fill connection and the pump running constantly until the tank runs dry and then the pump burning out.


Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: OSIN on September 29, 2018, 10:51:49 am
Be sure to remove ALL the water from the wet bay floor.  You don't want it migrating down into the rear bulkhead area!
Thanks, I did make sure water was gone from both bays!...Never thought about the bulkheads but that makes sense!
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: Roland Begin on September 29, 2018, 11:00:13 am
Had the same problem as Nitehawk and fixed permanently in the same fashion using a brass shakbite ball valve.

Roland
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: coastprt on September 29, 2018, 02:32:09 pm
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Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: OSIN on September 29, 2018, 11:32:03 pm
I've had two backflow preventor valves "malfunction" in less than a year. This last time I pulled the insides out of the valve and put a brass manual shutoff  (like the ones sold in the garden department at a store)between the hose end and the now non functioning backflow preventor valve.
No more problems with water going out the fill connection and the pump running constantly until the tank runs dry and then the pump burning out.

Maybe I don't understand that one,. don't you need water in the system

A shutoff valve behind the panel?...What purpose would that serve, if it's shut no water gets in the coach...right?

I don't understand why a pump would be running on city water?

sorry, It's a Newbie question

Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: Rich Bowman on September 30, 2018, 02:12:29 am
I have had a high pressure protection device (the kind that goes on the hose at the water bib) fail.  They tend to fail in the off position.

Rich
Title: Re: Pump blowing fuses and then No Water, Hooked up to verified City connection
Post by: OSIN on September 30, 2018, 11:16:57 am
It sounds like the check valve to keep the water from coming back out when the hose is unhooked and the pump is on has come apart and is restricting the flow into the coach. Does your coach have a pull out hose or does it have a fitting in the water bay where you screw the water hose in? Look there if the hose hooks into the fitting in the water bay but if the pull out hose then you will have to dig deeper to find the check valve.
Thanks, the check valve was in good physical shape, (plunger worked), I replaced with a like Brass model, and my water is now running. When I have more time, I'll try to redo this setup, as it's not very serviceable in this location buried besides the ABS Drain pipes.  I think the whole wet bay panels are going to be redone at some time, in stainless steel, or something. I don't like that Mice have only a rubber flap to get past, there must be a better way to seal off this area. Got to get my thinking cap on!