Got my Silverleaf VMSpc from Roger this week and this morning he talked me through the setup (I haven't had to deal with Windows since I retired five years ago). Is anyone else using one with a Detroit 6V92TA?
I did years ago on a Newell with an 8V92TA. VMSpc worked well, much better than the factory gauges. I think I had one of the first usb models.
I am I have a 6V92 DD rated at 350 hp. Not in the set up menu. I picked out the closest one 6V92 at 335 hp. My 1994 has the 740 transmission so there is no "gear or gear attained " signals. ^.^d
Pretty much what we saw on David's. The engine files have data that show the relationship between RPM vs HP and Torque. From engine load and rpm Torque and HP are derived values. There is no direct measurement.
A windows based engine monitoring system from Silverleaf co. Allows you more closely keep an eye on engine and transmission operation.
It is a link to Silverleaf which provides your engine data in digital form on a pc on your dash. Search for it, it's a good read...
Lots of great prior threads on VMsPC, try the search function to see the threads. Some have photos of VMsPC screens.
Tim Fiedler
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Silverleaf Electronics makes the hardware to link to your coach's diagnostic system and the software (VMspc) to show the output on a PC.
You can buy the hardware, download the software, find a PC to use and create your own display. That works for many. Or you can get a complete kit, ready to install and use. This works for lots of folks as well.
VMSpc Kits, 2018 (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=33931.0)
Other than using Windows to keep up on what's going on over there, we are all Apple and Android OS. Ray Davis has a nice Bluetooth to iPad setup that gives a full dash on your iPad. No wires! You can download the free APP at the Apple Store (RV Dash) and see how it works with a demo mode. Check out the YouTube video for how to set up the Bluetooth. He uses a Mercedes cover as Detroit is owned by MTU now.
Here is his site: RV Techtools (https://rvtechtools.com/rvdash.html)
YouTube RV Dash setup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=76&v=WgSbURAjSKI
Pierce
I love my SIlverleaf had them set it up at their shop out here on a cheap windows tablet from Walmart (RCA maybe?)
sure wish they would get an Apple version - seems like a pretty small company when you see it live to undertake a big migration or support two platforms.
I think Roger should do that for them on a paid contract!
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Roger, I just went to the VMSpc Silverleaf site and would like to install this, but I'm not sure I have ever located my "diagnostic system" unless it is a module under the dash behind the instrument cluster. there is no display, and would require some form of monitor with which to obtain data.
It is easy to have a complete VMSpc display on your iPad or any adroid table. My coach uses a 7" Samsung tablet. I have used an 8" Samsung and a 9.7" and 10.5" iPad as well. You still have to have a PC on which to run VMSpc and a wifi router to link the tablet and the PC. All wireless PC to display. It is a bit more complicated and a bit more money.
There are many choices out there for very small PCs. You still need a keyboard and a mouse and a display. I looked at a lot of small laptop/netbook PCs and tablet PCs. There are some very nice tablet PCs for under $100 but very minimal battery life and you can't charge and use the USB port at the same time. Some smaller laptops are under $200 like Tim's RCA. The ASUS Transformers I use are about $300 but have more memory, more storage and most important way more battery time. I have to support my systems so reliability is more important than cheap price to me and to most who buy these things.
I don't see anyway to make something like VMSpc run on an iPad. It isn't going to be me.
Randall,
You have to download the VMSpc software from Silverleaf. You also need the hardware that you have to buy. There is a data cable from the coach diagnostic interface socket (usually round, 6 or 9 pins), the Silverleaf data interface (called a JIB) and a USB cable to a PC where VMSpc runs. You can get the hardware from Silverleaf or a few other sellers or from me. Mine comes with screens ready to use and other tools all on a thumb drive.
My guess is that it is not going to work on your coach. If you have a DD with a DDECII interface you can get some engine data but no transmission data.
The product Pierce mentions is "At this point the application has only been tested with RV's and trucks with a Detroit Diesel S60 or 8v92 engine". If that is what you have, give it a try. $350 plus an iPad.
I spent a lot of time thinking about how to get the maximum information to the driver with the minimum time not looking at the road. These small round gauges or slider bars would take some getting used to.
Give Ray a call as he makes it work for the 6 cylinders version we have.
If you are not comfortable with the gauge look you can choose sliders in either portrait or landscape mode.
P
I see, yes, mine is the 6V92 and probably predates the data access hardware for that.
All 2 cycle Detroits in Foretravels are DDEC II and will work on an iPad or Pro-Link 9000 like we have. They all have the data port under the dash to the left of the steering column.The big iPad makes everything more readable if size is a concern.
Pierce
Maybe you missed my point. Neither the screen with lots of small dial gauges or sliders lend themselves to a quick glance to see if all is where it should be. Most users start out looking at the screen for much time more than they should. Eyes on the road! A driver should be able to just glance at the display screen and see that everything is OK. On the VMSpc screens a yellow or red indicator gets your attention quickly, they can be made audible as well.
I am glad to see some other choices for the DDs among us. Post some pictures of of your screens.
Like everyone with the VMSpc, my display is always subject to tweaking. I like grouping the information by categories and color and font size for more important info. I have blue for engine, magenta for transmission, green for fuel related and gray for performance. I left open "real estate" on the screen to help me to quickly glance at the screen and find the info I am looking for.
Pierce,
IfI understand you correctly, I would be fine with the Prolink 9000 and link to iPad, and tgat way be able to decipher codes from my datalink to the DDEC?
Randall,
The Pro-Link 9000 is a tool. It only reads four lines of data at a time but can test your injectors at idle and 1000 RPM either manually or in automatic mode. I can turn the smoke down if your DDEC II has the option, boost pressure, check gallons of fuel burned since new, MPG since new, trip MPG, instant MPG, check for codes historic, active, when and for how long, fuel temp, etc, etc. Here is a site with what it can do. MPSI READER MENU SELECTIONS (http://trucktractor6x4.tpub.com/TM-9-2320-363-20-1/css/TM-9-2320-363-20-1_309.htm)
It has been superseeded by new diagnostic tools and is only available on CL or eBay. The reader is separate from the cartridge. The cartridge slides on to the back. A good deal is both for under $100, OK deal less than $200. I have the manual in a hard copy and a PDF I can email.
So, the Pro-Link is a tool and not meant to replace the analog instrument panel. You can leave it on to watch data as I sometimes do but that's not what it's intended for.
The iPad can be used along with the RV Dash application but you also need the bluetooth hardware to make it work. The bluetooth costs about $350. If it were a Ford or Toyota, the bluetooth module only costs $10 or so. The HD diesel costs many times more because there are not that many out there compared to Ford, Chevy, etc.
The VMSpc won't work with a Apple or Android product. You need to have some kind of PC to make it work. It works very well but I don't do PCs so I use the OEM instruments along with the Pro-Link to get boost pressure, mileage, etc. and make sure my temperature gauge agrees with the actual DDEC reading for instance.
This is exactly what you need but should be half this price or less. They make cartridges for Allison, Meritor, CAT, Cummins, etc plus all the domestic cars. MPSI PRO-LINK 9000 DDEC I AND II DIAGNOSTIC SCANNER DETROIT DIESEL - Kent... (https://www.ebay.com/itm/MPSI-PRO-LINK-9000-DDEC-I-AND-II-DIAGNOSTIC-SCANNER-DETROIT-DIESEL-Kent-Moore/323493541526?hash=item4b51b7b696:g:Ar0AAOSwTJtbvqvC:rk:1:pf:0) A printer is available to print test results, etc.
I think there are at least 5 members with the Pro-Link. Interesting to compare fuel mileage as some is one mpg different over the life of the coach.
PM or call with questions.
Pierce
Can this run diagnostics for the Allison mt648?
How about Macs?
I use VMwear to run several Windows programs on my MAC mini with Windows 7: Run Windows on Mac | Virtual Machine for Mac | VMware Fusion (https://www.vmware.com/products/fusion.html)
VMSpc will run on a MAC running Windows in a virtual PC session. It is a very expensive PC.
Here is Windows 7 running on my iPad as a remote desktop.
Here is VMSpc running on my iPad as a remote desktop.
Easy to do, but a capable PC dedicated to VMSpc is much cheaper.
Snap-On now is the owner of all the Pro-Link products. When I called them, they were not that helpful and wanted to sell the current diagnostic tool rather than supporting the legacy hardware.
You might check on ebay to see what is available. I have seen the Allison cartridges but they have been pricy. The same for CAT, Mack, etc.
Pierce
Roger, when you finished with David's set up were you able to get Total Engine Miles and Hours from Day one (1)? On my unit it appears to be incorrect as I know my coach should have around 74000 miles on it and 1743.7 engine hours. That information is taken from the hour meter at the rear engine/remote start panel. I up graded my Silverleaf software to 4.080 from the 3.0b01 when I started using Asus computer, prior to that on my old computer I was getting what I thought was the actual coach miles and hours. ::)
I'm using a VMSpc (thanks Roger!) on my MacBook running Windows XP through Vmware. Works ok, I do get an occasional hiccup but it's probably more a win vs Mac issue. It's easier than having another laptop to maintain.
Wouldn't run the coach without VMSpc, this after 2 Newells with it.
David used his own PC, I helped him get it going but he has very little time on it. So I don't have a good answer. There is a place under the Advance Menu for engine corrections where you can add in an offset and/or % multiplier to adjust the reading.
VMSpc version 4.1 is coming soon. There were some buggy things in the 4.x versions that I hope they have fixed. There are some engines that work better with the older versions. When this is a potential issue I will install both and see which one works better.
The total miles on the laptop is not in agreement with what the odometer shows (too low) or with miles since rebuild (too high). I'll play with it more in a couple of weeks as we move to TX.