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Title: 86 GV 33 tag. Hot Water Heater stupid question
Post by: Subsilked on November 20, 2018, 06:29:55 pm
Hello...  sometimes you have to ask " stupid" questions...

On our old ( new to us) 86 GV... we have checked out all of the house systems for our Thanksgiving trip to Texas Hill Country.. but we have a " simple' question about the Hot Water Heater... 

Where does the water come from to HEAT up ...?  Is there a separate fill tank for the HWH ?  When you turn on the water pump using the fresh water tank does water pass thru the HWH on the way to the hot water faucets/shower?

But if using just city water pressure... how does the system work...   

Thanks for the help... 
edward
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag
Post by: wolfe10 on November 20, 2018, 06:52:53 pm
Cold and hot water both come from EITHER shore water or from the potable water tank using the on-board pump.
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag
Post by: Johnstons on November 20, 2018, 06:58:58 pm
There's an obscure valve somewhere that must be turned the right direction.  I don't know where it is on your coach.  Be sure there is water flowing before turning on the water heater.
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag
Post by: Subsilked on November 20, 2018, 07:04:49 pm
Cold and hot water both come from EITHER shore water or from the potable water tank using the on-board pump.

Ok.  We have not used our HWH yet..  but when we do turn it on, its automatic pilot lighting... does it pull water in from source to heat ?  Or does it automatically pull water to fill up a HWH small tank for use on demand ? 
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag. Hot Water Heater stupid question
Post by: Johnstons on November 20, 2018, 07:10:54 pm
You will need the fresh water tank full and the 12v water pump running.  You should be able to run water through all the faucets before lighting the heater.   

Has the coach been winterized or drained?  Do you know if the fresh water tank is full?

Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag
Post by: craneman on November 20, 2018, 07:17:18 pm
Ok.  We have not used our HWH yet..  but when we do turn it on, its automatic pilot lighting... does it pull water in from source to heat ?  Or does it automatically pull water to fill up a HWH small tank for use on demand ?
If you have been using the water the HWH will have water in it. It stays full even with it turned off.
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag
Post by: Subsilked on November 20, 2018, 07:21:10 pm
If you have been using the water the HWH will have water in it. It stays full even with it turned off.

Ok i will check. We have not used the HWW since it was purchased.  This coach came out of long term storage for purchase in San Diego and was not used more than at San Diego Bay Yacht Races and West Coast Grand Prix car races..

Sounds like there is a valve to open. Will check under the vanity in bathroom and under sink in kitchen... we are filling up our fresh water tank for texas trip tomorrow.. will run water thru the system.. find " Obscure" valve and open .. and fire up HWH once water is in the piping system. 
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag. Hot Water Heater stupid question
Post by: Johnstons on November 20, 2018, 07:33:38 pm
On one of ours the valve was up front in a floor panel between the seats.  That may have been on the U280.  I can't remember.
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag. Hot Water Heater stupid question
Post by: Travelray on November 20, 2018, 08:14:53 pm
On my 87 GV, there is a valve ( actually two valves) under the floor just as you step up into the drivers and passinger seating area, should be a little pull to lift up a trap door in the floor.
1 valve is to fill your on board water tank and or to use the city water for the coach, with the valve open it will fill the tank, with the valve closed it will energizethe city water system, the other valve (2) is to drain the coaches water tank.
Have you sanitized your tank after it's been in storage for so long, should be done at least once a year
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag. Hot Water Heater stupid question
Post by: Subsilked on November 20, 2018, 08:32:41 pm
On my 87 GV, there is a valve ( actually two valves) under the floor just as you step up into the drivers and passinger seating area, should be a little pull to lift up a trap door in the floor.
1 valve is to fill your on board water tank and or to use the city water for the coach, with the valve open it will fill the tank, with the valve closed it will energizethe city water system, the other valve (2) is to drain the coaches water tank.
Have you sanitized your tank after it's been in storage for so long, should be done at least once a year

our is a GAS Front Engine. ( old school). LOL.  All of our water valves are under one of the twin beds in the bedroom.  I will poke around tomorrow before leaving on our trip and see about valve running towards to HWH up near kitchen on exterior wall
  Yes,  we had sanitized our system just after our purchase.. 
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag. Hot Water Heater stupid question
Post by: Travelray on November 20, 2018, 09:06:29 pm
Subsilked, you'll still have 2 valves, 1 for fill/city and 1 to drain.
To fill your HWH you need to turn on a hot water tap at a sink, run water through it till all the air is out of it, that's if the HWH was drained to begin with. (Drain plug outside on the HWH)
Enjoy your trip!

Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag. Hot Water Heater stupid question
Post by: Moby on November 20, 2018, 09:10:28 pm
There's an obscure valve somewhere that must be turned the right direction.  I don't know where it is on your coach.  Be sure there is water flowing before turning on the water heater.

  Not only flowing, but all the air out of it to.  Failure could lead to tank or element issues.  Open hot water faucet until no spitting.
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag. Hot Water Heater stupid question
Post by: Moby on November 20, 2018, 09:12:43 pm
On one of ours the valve was up front in a floor panel between the seats.  That may have been on the U280.  I can't remember.

  The same for a 1993 225
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag. Hot Water Heater stupid question
Post by: wolfe10 on November 20, 2018, 11:09:14 pm
Yes, in order:

Close the fill valve (or the pump will just "recirculate" back to the tank).

Turn on water pump.

Open a hot water faucet and run until water/no air comes out.

Turn on or light water heater-- no first hand experience with that old a water heater-- don't know if it has an ignitor or if you have to light it.
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag. Hot Water Heater stupid question
Post by: its toby on November 21, 2018, 07:49:49 pm
Before you fire the heater you should manually crack the pressure relief open and closed on the water heater. That way if it doesnt shut down the valve won't be seized shut as well.
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag. Hot Water Heater stupid question
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on November 21, 2018, 09:28:05 pm
Before you fire the heater you should manually crack the pressure relief open and closed on the water heater.
This would be a good idea, assuming the pressure relief valve is fairly new and in good condition.  If, on the other hand, it is badly corroded (the part inside the tank) and plugged up with mineral deposits and sediment, then it probably won't close completely IF you can get it open.  Before trying this test, I would recommend having a replacement valve on hand, just in case.  Part number in link below fits the Atwood 6 gallon heater:

Part Number Collection (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=11472.msg241100#msg241100)

The valve on our coach was totally frozen - could not be opened.  I replaced it and also made a couple small improvements to our water heater.  We've since been very happy with the performance of the add-on electric heating element.

Hott Rod Installation, Atwood GH6-7E (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=28797)
Title: Re: 86 GV 33 tag. Hot Water Heater stupid question
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on November 22, 2018, 09:06:28 am
Ditto for our '93 U-240.