Looking at replacing the tires on my 2000 U270 and I have gotten a pretty good price on the Toyo M170 tires and I'm curious who all is running on these and how you like them. Thanks in advance
I have been running them for 2 years and like them as well as the MicheIin's had before.
We run the M177,G rated so far so good.
Same with us, love them...Cheap as chips.
Is a load range H too much?
Look at the pressure charts for your nose weight. IMHO if you are under 10000# use the G and run at 95 PSI. The H tires will run less pressure, weigh more, ride harder, and cost you fuel.
Thanks I guess I should mention that they will be just going on rear axle as steer tires are only 1.5 years old and they are Firestone...unless Firestone's are the devil I would leave them on.
Also where would I go to weigh the four corners of my MH
You will need to tell us where you are for specific recommendations.
But, many truck stops have/can direct you to scales that can do axle weights. Yes, individual wheel weights are better, but axle weights will get you close.
I am in the Melbourne FL area
Contact RVSEF for 4 wheel position weighing near you (Cocoa): Cocoa, FL (https://rvsafety.com/rvweigh-sites/st-cloud)
Probably within 25 miles of you.
Flying J, county dump, gravel sales. etc.
Take a couple of old tires to the dump along with a non cash offering , explain that you would like two weights etc.
Awesome thanks guys, Hoping to hear more good reports on the Toyo M170 or if u have a different model toyo tire let me know please. And thanks again
We run Toyo M 177 H on the front and M177 G on the rear. Rides Great Steers Great. ^.^d
Nothing better for a Toyo steer tire, very satisfied.
M137 Extreme Long Haul Commercial Steer Tire | Toyo Tires (https://www.toyotires.com/commercial-truck-tires/tire/pattern/m137-extreme-long-haul-steer-tire)
A new Toyo tire seems to steer as well as the older Michelin's.
You said this was a rear axle use. Not nearly as important.
Went from Xza-2's to Xzavier-3+'s and the upgrade in rolling resistance was very noticeable.
Coach coasts now. Have to use the brakes/ retreader more.
No insult just an observation that when a owner changes from an older Michelin to a newer anything tire and says it feels and drives the same is good.
Versus a new design Michelin drives better than the older designed tires
Actually, virtually ANY brand new tire will ride/drive better than a 7-8 year old "any tire".
I put Toyo m177 G rated on all 6 tires and centramatics all the way around. Rides smooth as glass, quiet and tracks excellent. Had Bridgestones before. Wore well, but quite a lot rougher ride.
Larry
Sounds like toyo it is. Now to decide on G or H load rating
Thanks
H rated on most tires is 6710 pounds at 120/130 pounds.
Michelin's g's are 6710. Michelin "H's" are 7160 at 120.
I think the Toyos are 6610 for "h"s?
I switched tires to allow the 10 pound less pressure for la freeways
Here's a link to a discussion we had a few years back;
Just want to know about Toyo M170 & M177 (http://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=31509.0)
I run "H" on the front for "Blow-out" protection Heaver side wall if I hit a Pot Hole....
I am on my 2nd set. Price is good for my area at $2800.00 out the door. Ride is good 95 psi front and 90 psi in the rear.
Just got done with a 4500 mile trip on our new Toyo M137's H load rated on all positions. Why M137's? I wanted a solid rib for dry traction and less road noise along with a little less tread depth (15/32 Vs 19/32) and thus less tread squirm. Most of us will never even use a third (and likely even less) of the available tread depth over the life of our tires. Nor drive much in the rain or snow or mud. So deep cross sipes are quite un-neccesary.
After reading lots of posts about this, and after a LONG discussion with Greg at Herman Power, we went from Michelin to Toyo M177 for our trip into Mexico. I never was crazy about the very narrow first groove the tire has. It picked up gravel way too easy. Anyway, no conplaints on ride or handling....BUT....I lost a chunk of out brand new tire on a rough Mexican road. We'll see how I am treated when in Nac early May
Assume you are NOT driving on that one!
Glynn that tire is SEVERELY damaged. Like Brett said hope you are not going to run very far on it. Looks like it has been curbed. As always DWMYFG as they say 😎
After reading lots of posts about this, and after a LONG discussion with Greg at Herman Power, we went from Michelin to Toyo M177 for our trip into Mexico. I never was crazy about the very narrow first groove the tire has. It picked up gravel way too easy. Anyway, no conplaints on ride or handling....BUT....I lost a chunk of out brand new tire on a rough Mexican road. We'll see how I am treated when in Nac early May
Thought this posted....
That outside sipe is prone to getting tore off. I had to climb many curbs in the crane business and if it is only the siped outside tread damaged and no cords showing I would feel safe myself wearing the tire out. But DWMYH
But cord IS showing. And the split is much longer than just the section of missing rubber.
I agree with craneman. Unless that tire has a cut further into the tread or a bulge I wouldn't worry about it.
Shoulder Groove - Called a "defense groove" or "decoupling groove" or "shoulder wear protector" or "pressure distribution groove" by some tiremakers, it is a thin circumferential groove near the apex of a tire's shoulder. This groove creates a narrow rib along the shoulder. The concept is that it will wear faster than the adjacent shoulder rib, thereby minimizing shoulder edge wear.
Glenn, I had a piece just a bit smaller than that get ripped from my front old Michelin tyre before hanging over to Toyos a few years back, and I drove with it for thousands of miles with no problem. Now here is the fun bit. I used some black polyurethane Chem link M1 caulking to fill that void and it was still on the tyre when I replaced them!
Yes, sounds nuts but is a fact and one of the reasons I believe so much in this product and use it as my main caulking for all projects.
The local Kal Tire shop (a large BC dealership) could not believe it, but is a fact.
So, in my opinion as long as there is only that outside thin piece is missing and not a cut down to webbing? then I would say you are OK till you get back to H Powers. DWMYH
JohnH
Brett,I think that is not the chord but the way the rubber was torn off and with the dust on it it does resemble woven chord.
Thanks guys. BELIEVE me... if cord was showing, I wouldn't have moved the coach. I am trying to find a Toyo dealer near San Miguel de Allende, but that is a challange. I sent Herman Powes a photo and explanation to see what they say. I have tire monitors, drive conservatively, and keep my fingers crossed....
I think we'll be ok
Hopefully........
Is that a front or outside rear? What is that fabric material I see, and is the tread separated in that area. If it was a front and I where going to continue to run it, I would move it to the rear outside. But that's just me. I agree that it is just the rubber covering. Buttt is the tread area been damaged as well, hard to tell from the picture.
Glenn,
I sent you a PM with contact information for a retired tire forensic engineer on my FMCA Technical Advisory Committee.
As they say: "he da man".
His opinion in terms of "safe to drive" trumps most on the planet.
Glenn,
Here is the closest Toyo dealers in the direction you will be going.
Tires in León with phones/address at bottom of page on left side: LLANTAS DE LEON - Venta de llantas en León Gto. (https://llantas-de-leon.business.site/)
Toyo Tires de México S.A. y Hermanos
9 Google reviews with 4.4 out of 5
Tire shop in León, Mexico
Address: Blvrd Miguel Hidalgo 2407, Valle del Sol, 37149 León, Gto., Mexico
There was a big one in Guadalajara but too late.
Here is the map of León with one of the tire shops shown: Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Blvrd+Miguel+Hidalgo+2407,+Valle+del+Sol,+37149+Le%C3%B3n,+Gto.,+Mexico/@21.1595521,-101.668713,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x842bbf2bfba53c0f:0xc829d7b4f1678eda!8m2!3d21.1595521!4d-101.6665243)
Leon is close to Guanajuato and San Miguel so might be not too far out of the way. Have not been able to come up with a phone number yet for the second shop.
I would check/call tiresdirect.net, I bought 6 M170z H rated for 2 coach bucks out the door and free shipping. I had a mobile truck service company install them for $300 along with centramatics. I was in a remote area picking up the coach with 10 year old tires.
Here's their Toyo line, they're currently advertising 17% off and free shipping. Rudy Legget has some good tire connections too that will buy your old tires if your headed that way.
https://www.tiresdirect.net/TOYO-M177-C1039.aspx
Seems like I read somewhere how that thin strip is a sacrificial part of the tire to help protect the rest.
Might send the photo ahead to the tire supplier in León: LLANTAS DE LEON - Venta de llantas en León Gto. (https://llantas-de-leon.business.site/)
As a coincidence, there is a Michelin tire plant in León but no Toyo.
Pierce
Thanks to all for the help . I will look into the Leon site, and see what needs to be done. Thanks for that effort, Pierce... very helpful. It's back rear, so I can continually check it. This is a great community...one of the MANY reasons we bought a FT.
We've been running Toyo M154, H rated for the past 3 years, replaced the Firestones that had timed out. We have a 2000 U270-40.
Rides, tracks and drives well.
Glen -That tire is scary. I remember seeing a picture a friend had from a tire shop in Mexico. Large truck tire with a sheet metal plate thru bolted to the sidewall, all sealed up with goop. NOT for highway speed. But when you've got nothing you do what you have to. Mexican ingenuity at its best.
Best of luck on the road Cheers Ric 8)
Fourth set of Toyos from Les Schwabb on different diesels. Also this last time went with Toyo M154 H rated per their recommendation. They litterly have installed 1,000s of rv tires in their Junction City location. I trust their experience and recommendation. I've found them one of the few dealers to explain the characteristics of different tires, traction in wet, directional stability, etc. The only dealer that asked me how and where I would be using my rv to aim me in the right direction.
anyone have the cost savings using the FMCA.. Not a member but would join if the savings is enough.. any first hand knowledge?
Or other pricing with the discounts on other tires?
David,
You can get prices here: RV Tires - FMCA Tire Program | FMCA (http://www.fmca.com/rv-tires-discounts)
If you can't access that site (may have to be a member to view-- I don't know), let us know the tire size, brand and model/series tire you are considering and someone can look it up for you.
Les Swab $2300.00 for 6 OTD.
Took my old tires @ $100.00 ea. trade in (would have been $2900.00)
Got the brother in-law deal
Chris
I need 4 for the rear.. 295/80 r22.5 I have Michelin on the fronts but not really stuck on any brand
Sorry the "copy and paste" doesn't line up. These are prices including FET delivered to a dealer. You still pay mount and balance and any local tax. In many cases, you can subtract some for trade in value of your old tires.
Continental:
Tire Description Tread Model Line Base Price
Retail+ F.E.T. Tax FMCA Price + F.E.T. Tax LR Savings
Continental 295/80R22.5 HSR2 SA 5123900000 $768.07
$547.27 H $220.80
Michelin:
Michelin RV Tire Dealer.
Tire Description Tread MSPN Base Price
+ F.E.T. Tax FMCA Price
+ F.E.T. Tax Savings
MICHELIN 295/80R22.5 XZA2 ENERGY 152M LRH XZA2 Energy 76807 $765.92
$671.67 $94.25
MICHELIN 295/80R22.5 X COACH H LZ LRH X Coach H LZ 31078 $856.08
$750.65 $105.43
MICHELIN 295/80R22.5 X MULTIWAY 3D XZE LRH X Multiway 3D XZE 07719 $898.92
$787.38 $111.54
David; I am a FMCA member and got a better rate on tires without using them. Just an FYI. Shop around and you will be surprised on the different prices no matter what brand of tire!
I have a buddy in the business so I got all 6 M170 tires out the door including installed etc 2250
Wow Toyo dealer here wanted $110 each for mount and balance each. I passed.
Had not thought about a small outer groove being damageable that way. Interesting info.
It's called a decoupling groove and is intended to be a sacrificial section to prevent odd wear from transferring to the main shoulder rib.
The damaged area appears, by the abrasion near the separation, in the picture, to have struck something. If that is cord showing below the separation that is definitely an end of tire life situation requiring immediate replacement.
My m177 just arrived yesterday. I'm going to begin mounting them over the next few days. I got them from here: https://www.tiresdirect.net/TOYO-M177-29575R225-144141L-G14-P7906.aspx
Looks like the price went up to 433 each shipped. I paid 2425.80 shipped to my door.
So far very happy with mine!!
I will start mounting them over the next few days. Finally going to replace the front airbags too.
I just called the toyo 1-800 number to ask simple questions: 1) Confirm the dot on sidewall is where to put valve stem (this is correct) and 2) What are the lines on the tread? (they are basically a barcode for warehousing purposes).
Tires shipped free LTL truck. The guy called me when he was near and we just rolled them into my pickup.
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I'm glad to hear so many have chosen Toyo and have had excellent results. I never believed the myth that you needed overpriced, failure prone Michelins with magical sipes to have a good ride. Mine came with a good set of Bridgestones that have performed excellently and will be replaced with Toyo's either later this year or next spring, as the oldest DOT code is slightly over 10 years old and I don't wanna push my luck too far.
While my info is not very current but for many years when I drove hundreds of various brands coaches to appraise their value as trade ins I made it a point to not look at the tires before driving them.
During the drive I made up,my mind whether the coach had Michelin's or not.
Then I walked the coach after the test drive and looked at the tires.
I honestly do not remember ever being incorrect as to whether or not the subject coach had Michelin's or not.
Not a story just to make my point. Really happened.
No other brand has the carcass design.
If the absolute best driving characteristics are not as important as the money more power to you.
If I took a real potential high profit used coach in and it had marginal or older tires I spent Foretravels money out of my profits to change the tires.
Never had a single time that putting new batteries and top tires on a nice coach did not add to the profit for my store.
Less things for a potential buyer could knock my coach for and want a bigger discount.
Obviously if the actual difference in money between the various tires and batteries is a major issue then the others drive well.
The uni design is so good that the tires are only a part of the drive. 8 airbags, Koni fsd's are the majority of the "feel"
Just relaying personal experience. I sold a lot of country coaches who used Toyo's new.
The coach drove well. Just not the race car feel. Kind of numb. Worked but not the same feel
I still get a ear to ear grin driving our 40' U320 with the Koni fsd's and the XZA-3+ tires. No wander. Dives into turns. Quiet. Plush ride. As an old rv salesman and Foretravel manager it is my payback to be able to actually own this nice of a rig.
Thanks C.M and Ray Fore. There are maybe better "park models" made but as a RV this is incredible
I went to Herman Powers and showed Greg the tire. He said that the decoupling groove is similar to what Michelin uses, and even showed me one that had a similar issue. There was not cord showing on my tire. If there had been, I NEVER would have driven on it, let alone, drive to Nac on them. I offered to pay my share if Toyo would replace the tire. I told him I was not happy with the design of the tire. He said he sees lots of this type of issue, but said Toyo would not replace the tire, and that I would be ok. We rotated all my tires, and rebalanced them. Then I went to BigTruck Alignment and checked the front end. I am NOT a fan of the decoupling groove. He said that Toyo makes a M154?? that doesn't have it. All I do is dig stones out of the groove. Hope it all works out. Just thought I'd update y'all.
Lots of tires have that groove and I have tore it off many times on my crane and wore the tire out without issue. You should have no trouble with that tire. Of course this is my opinion DWMYH
The groove being gone wont affect the tire at all. Most trucks I see at work have most of the outer edge missing, and they run em like that for years.
There is no doubt that Michelin makes a good tire. HOWEVER all the rest are not junk, contrary to what some folks opinion is. Safe travels, and let's hope all our non Michelin tires don't blow out at one time. Sorry for the sarcasm but hey what can I say. As always DWMYFG, and be happy 😃
Love my Toyo's
Never said they were junk. Only that they drive differently. Duh. Most coaches would not show much difference during a drive
Just gigging ya Bob😎
I am a big boy. If you had sat in my chair at Foretravel and had upset customers in front of you many many times you might understand.
My feelings hardly ever get hurt. Lost deals worth thousands to me personally then went out drinking with the guy who beat me. Work door closed. Party time.
Many times
I just put about 2800 miles on my toyo m177. Smooth and I'm super happy. Mounting wasn't too bad. I use centrimatic balancers. I used bead sealer just in case, I don't know if it's needed but I have zero leakage. I still can feel some of the small mold bumps after the trip on the tread.
They definitely ride smoother than the 2010 Michelin Pilot XZA-1 that were on it. PS: I had both inside duals XZA-1 blow. No issue, as I carry a spare. But still annoying.
The M177 don't hold rocks at all (I live on gravel road).
Yes, I mounted the tires myself.
I've got a front end loader to break the bead but what did you use to R&R? Trick to avoid scratching the wheel? I've done a larger rear tire on my Case but it was really tough and I took the next to the tire shop. Talk about incompetent. They mounted the tractor tire backward and tried to tell me it was my fault.
Pierce
How old were those tires that blew? Overloaded?
The tires that blew were 2010. The first one blew back in 2016 and I made a thread: Rear inner dual tire blowout nonevent (https://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=27567.0)
The other (passenger side inner dual) blew fall 2018, same sort of sidewall failure, and same non-event control wise. Both were cool weather and inflated to 100psi. Of note, I ran the other tires (outer duals) until replacing with the Toyos.
In preparation for changing these tires, I bought a few tools that I been needing to buy anyway. To break the bead, I bought a ken tools KEN35926 ($153.30 at the time from tooldiscounter.com) https://www.tooldiscounter.com/ItemDisplay.cfm?lookup=KEN35926
and
Serpent 4 piece kit: KEN35453 ($180.62) https://www.tooldiscounter.com/ItemDisplay.cfm?lookup=KEN35453
And a chinese copy 10 gallon "cheetah bead blaster" off ebay for like $60.
Tire bead lube and new valve steams I got direct from Bowessealfast: Automotive Parts and Tire Repair Bowes Seal Fast (https://www.bowessealfast.com/)
TC 77921 Tire Mounting Lube Premixed 1 Gal-1 Gal 1 $10.42
TV 27-555D Nickel Plated Brass Valves with Grommet TR #555D, 3 1/2" 60 Deg. Bend Bag of 10-Bag of 10
RTC 960 Rema Tip Top Rim & Bead Sealer with Brush Cap BOWES RTC 960-32 oz Can
I got some murphey's lube too, but didn't use it, just used the Bowes brand.
The only tools I ended up needing was the serpant (by the way, watch the youtube video on them, they really are super easy to use). After pulling out the valve gut and letting air out of tire, the bead popped off when I just stepped on it. Perhaps it's because it's aluminum rims??? I haven't tried the steel wheel yet, so I will let you know. (I swapped over to all aluminum rims during this too).
For seating the bead, I didn't need the blaster. I just locked the air chuck on the valve and stood the tire up vertically like it was on the RV and it made enough contact to seal the bead and seat it. I did use the bead sealer above. No troubles at all. (it wouldn't seat the bead lying on the ground flat, but once I stood tire up and rolled it slightly, it worked fine.
I was in no rush and did the change-outs over 2-3 days. I did some other maintenance items with the wheels off.
17.5" to 24" inch Tire Changer Mount Demount Tool Tools Tubeless Truck Bead... (https://www.ebay.com/itm/113733842407?hash=item1a7b10b5e7)
I use these . Modded a little. Not that bad of a job. I did one tire per day, cuz I'm old..
Thanks! I've struggled with a couple of big pry bars in the past. These tools look slick. Mike, I know what you are saying. I'm tired just thinking about it.
For a steer tire, I've heard good things about the Thailand made Green Max GSH100. It's a little over $200 but the online seller, https://www.ustireoutlet.com/products , does not seem to honor their online prices. Might be a little bait and switch here.
P
1 tire a day would be making good time for me. That's work that the average cat will not BO up to.
Lots of lube is key. I wouldn't mess with cheap or no-name tires when Toyo quality made in Japan are $400 each.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrlWQNHGSU0
I bought a china made tractor tire for 200 less than name brand and thought I had a deal!! After ruining 2-80.00 tubes the deal wasn't so good. According to my tire guy thay had weak sidewall and when you hit a bump the tire would pinch a hole in the tube.
I know tractor tires and coach tires are different and I hope you have good luck with them --But for me after having a blowout on SOB last coach and spending 2 weeks making repairs--I'll try to lessen my odds of a blowout with a name brand tire!
Just Saying
Chris