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Title: AC power issue
Post by: leejrfla on November 09, 2019, 01:23:11 pm
Hello out camping and just lost power to the front TV outlet the one across from the sofa the outlet the ice maker plugs into and the bathroom outlet. I have checked the breaker no issue and have shut off the main breaker on turned back on and still no power to the outlets.  I believe these outlets are tied into the inverter which is original not totally sure on that I checked the breaker on that and it's on.  Any ideas what to check next?

Thanks
Woodie
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: DavidS on November 09, 2019, 01:23:58 pm
Try resetting the gfi breakers in bathroom or maybe kitchen?
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: leejrfla on November 09, 2019, 01:32:05 pm
Thanks I thought of that already none of the outlets are GFCI.
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: wolfe10 on November 09, 2019, 01:33:20 pm
You WILL have a GFI someplace (unless a previous owner has removed it).  Agree, that is the likely suspect.
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: Dave Dunington on November 09, 2019, 01:42:51 pm
Recheck outlet in the bathroom,  the reset buttons are small on mine
Safe Travels
Dave
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: leejrfla on November 09, 2019, 01:58:49 pm
I have looked at every plug and seems I don't have a GFCI.  All the outlets seem original the reset button wouldn't be behind the faceplate would it? I'm looking for a reset on the outlet itself.

Woodie
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: leejrfla on November 09, 2019, 02:15:37 pm
I'm looking at the 110v elec relay system wiring diagram do you think it could be the Inverter Relay box?  The reason I ask in this diagram the outlets affected are on one leg going out of this box.  Under the bed is where it's located and it says dual line manual transfer switch.

Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: wolfe10 on November 09, 2019, 02:20:25 pm
I believe you are referring to a second ATS (shore power  or inverter IN and OUT to everything that can be run on the inverter.  Not all coaches have the second ATS-- some use the inverter/charger's internal ATS.  If you have two ATS's, absolutely check inside for tight connections (all power OFF)  and then turn plug in and check for power in and out.  Then in and out from the inverter.
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: Mike Leary (RIP) on November 09, 2019, 02:21:23 pm
The GFI in the bathroom (on the right when sitting on the John) is hard to see; next to the TP and switch for the pump. It's the only one on board I know about.
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: leejrfla on November 09, 2019, 02:30:34 pm
I would like to post a pick of the diagram and the transfer switch but can't figure out how to do it on my Iphone. 
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: wolfe10 on November 09, 2019, 02:36:57 pm
Bottom line question:  Do you have TWO ATS's?  If so, yes the second one could be the issue and is sure worth checking.

Raise the bed to check.  Should have the answer in 10 seconds.
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: leejrfla on November 09, 2019, 02:41:08 pm
Yes there are two. For sure just killed the shore power and removing the cover. To take a look
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: wolfe10 on November 09, 2019, 02:41:43 pm
Shore power off, generator off, inverter off.
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: leejrfla on November 09, 2019, 03:04:56 pm
Well I checked all the wiring connections inside the transfer switch non seemed loose.  I didn't shut the invertor off before checking the wires Anyway turned the power back on the the breaker blew on the that operates the recepticals that were not working. Very strange the recepticals are working with the tripped breaker.  If the try to reset the breaker it immediately trips.
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: wolfe10 on November 09, 2019, 03:13:03 pm
Is the breaker that is tripping on the main 120 VAC panel or on the sub-panel?

Look at the label--what does it say?
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: Moby on November 09, 2019, 03:19:37 pm
Hard short somewhere?
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on November 09, 2019, 03:22:18 pm
Thanks I thought of that already none of the outlets are GFCI.
Yes you have a GFCI. Take a flashlight, go into the bathroom and check the outlet next to the sink. It's a brown GGCI. You can't see the  buttons without a flashlight. Best to get rid of the all brown one and put in a conventional. This was a stupid blunder on their part.

Pierce
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: leejrfla on November 09, 2019, 04:08:36 pm
Not sure what is causing this bad transfer switch inverter shorted out?

 
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: wolfe10 on November 09, 2019, 04:09:58 pm
Is the breaker that is tripping on the main 120 VAC panel or on the sub-panel?

Look at the label--what does it say?

?
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: leejrfla on November 09, 2019, 04:36:40 pm
Sorry Brett I responded but not sure why it didn't post.  The breaker says bathroom, kitchen, ice maker, main TV & recepticals.
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: leejrfla on November 09, 2019, 04:37:35 pm
Main breaker panel on the bed pedestal.
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: wolfe10 on November 09, 2019, 05:03:23 pm
Puzzling.

The breaker says bathroom, kitchen, ice maker, main TV & recepticals.

BUT, won't those same breakers work from the inverter.

If so, would expect them to be on the sub-panel (the smaller one, NOT with the two 50 amp breakers pinned at the top).

Actually, I will PM you my phone number.  Call me.

Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: DavidS on November 09, 2019, 05:31:27 pm
I would open the fridge access panel and unplug the ice maker and see if that is the culprit .. does your ice maker work?

After that it gets more technical
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: leejrfla on November 09, 2019, 06:28:13 pm
Yep ice maker works great.
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: Moby on November 09, 2019, 06:38:53 pm

Actually, I will PM you my phone number.  Call me.



Ok.
Inquiring minds want to know.....
Did he call?
What did you come up with?
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: wolfe10 on November 09, 2019, 07:23:44 pm
Woodie did call.

He is on the road tomorrow.  Will take this further when they get home.
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: Moby on November 09, 2019, 09:18:37 pm
Ok.
Keep us posted.  Interesting issue.
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: leejrfla on November 10, 2019, 06:29:35 pm
Yes I spoke to Brett late yesterday and I emailed pics of the transfer switch and the wiring configuration from the owners manual.  I arrived home too late to investigate this further tonight with Brett's assistance. Hopeful Brett and  I can reconvene on this during the coming weekend.  I will post what's discovered.

Woodie
Title: Re: AC power issue
Post by: kenhat on November 11, 2019, 07:58:02 am
Woodie,

Do you by chance have the old Taytronic inverter with relays for house circuits & microwave?

see ya
ken