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Title: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: dans96u295ft on July 19, 2020, 08:34:10 pm
Replaced my old one with a new. No leaks to be found but if left on, it will cycle once an hour for about 5 seconds like its losing pressure? Buddy thinks the pump is defective. What's your opinions
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: craneman on July 19, 2020, 08:35:56 pm
Put a cap on the output fitting and see if it cycles.
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: FourTravelers on July 19, 2020, 08:57:00 pm
Your tank fill valve could be leaking......bypassing and letting a little water into the fresh water tank.
 
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: Barry & Cindy on July 19, 2020, 10:15:50 pm
Don't think pump is defective. What model Shurflo pump did you install?
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: Alan & Gerri Ortiz on July 20, 2020, 06:50:24 am
" Your tank fill valve could be leaking......bypassing and letting a little water into the fresh water tank."

X 2.

Had the same problem. Drove me nuts until I noticed the fresh water tank filling.
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: "Irish" on July 20, 2020, 12:16:53 pm
My fill valve was not leaking but was allowing a small amount of water thru, because a prior owner had used too much force and slightly bent the "stop" on the lever, which allowed the valve to continue turning past the off position and start opening the valve.
Removed the lever, bent it back Into position and reattached - pump went silent!
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: dans96u295ft on July 20, 2020, 04:15:18 pm
Fill ball valve is clear on handle. Turns hard like it's working. FT made it real handy to replace! ha ha. Could my fresh water city valve on panel be leaking air? I'm thinking with the under sink valve closed and it shuts off properly, wouldn't matter. I had filled the tank to max and when I went around a corner a bit leaked out in the street but that was probably the overflow correct? I could install the old shurflow pump and see if it goes away
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: "Irish" on July 20, 2020, 07:52:40 pm
Yes it was probably the overflow, we always try to not go over the 7/8 full.
The wall of the tank is visible in the wet bay and I timed the fill and made a mark every 10 minutes of fill time. I can look and I will leave it for twenty minutes and know just how full it will be.
If you take the nut off the handle of the fill valve You can remove the floor panel and check the alignment of the valve for a true off position.
You could shut everything off at the manablock and see if the pump stops cycling, if it does it's a limbo g issue, open one supply valve at a time (closing it before you open the next one) and see if it's a dedicated line issue,
Check the over pressure valve (TPR) on the water heater to see if it's weeping wet - do not release this valve.
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: dans96u295ft on July 20, 2020, 08:11:23 pm
Talked to FT Tech Ronnie and he had me release the schrader valve on the accumulator tank. It squirted me in the face with water. Bladder is shot SO, I'll replace the tank and retest. I'll post the results.
Thanks
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: wolfe10 on July 20, 2020, 08:14:09 pm
Indeed, with water coming out the schrader valve of the accumulator, it is BAD.  Replace it.

BUT (yes, large BUT) that will not cause the water pump to cycle on once all faucets are off.

Water leaks and/or leaking check valve will cause cycling.

Symptoms of a bad accumulator is pulsing when faucet partially opened and pump coming on immediately-- i.e. no stored water in the accumulator.
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: dans96u295ft on July 20, 2020, 08:51:31 pm
Love success!
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: MarkC on July 20, 2020, 09:09:29 pm
Dan, If you can, please post the part number for the accumulator tank, my pump keep running recently, I drained off the water in the accumulator tank, and it's been working, but I am going to do a replacement like you, as I'm sure my tanks is shot too.
Thanks
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: Pamela & Mike on July 20, 2020, 09:22:06 pm
Mark,

Those pre charged pressure tanks can be found at most any home improvement store. Here is what we have on our coach.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Water-Worker-2-Gal-Pressurized-Well-Tank-HT2B/202846475

Mike
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: dans96u295ft on July 20, 2020, 10:50:17 pm
I emailed Brad at FT tonight. I'll post what he says tomorrow
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: John44 on July 21, 2020, 11:03:24 am
Call Shurflo and talk to customer service,called them once were very helpful,maybe an pressure adjustment,they know more then any of us.
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: dans96u295ft on July 21, 2020, 11:54:49 am
Jabsco 2 gallon accumulator tank. Part number, 18810-0000. $159.55 plus tax and shipping at FT Brad
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: wolfe10 on July 21, 2020, 12:10:46 pm
Mark,

Those pre charged pressure tanks can be found at most any home improvement store. Here is what we have on our coach.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Water-Worker-2-Gal-Pressurized-Well-Tank-HT2B/202846475

Mike

And, different than this one in what way???
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: Pamela & Mike on July 21, 2020, 12:13:19 pm
And, different than this one in what way???

$$$

Mike
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on July 21, 2020, 12:50:09 pm
$$$ + tax + shipping + waiting to get it.    :o

Actually, if you just GOTTA have the Jabsco tank, it might be a relative bargain from FOT.  Amazon wants $206.59 (+ tax?).  :o    :o

But, personally, I would choose Mike's pick from HD.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: Tomibach on July 21, 2020, 01:24:36 pm
what about those new-fangled pumps that don't require an accumulator
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: craneman on July 21, 2020, 01:27:07 pm
what about those new-fangled pumps that don't require an accumulator
Mine works great.
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: dans96u295ft on July 21, 2020, 02:33:05 pm
What are the new fangled pumps? Maybe I will just eliminate it with my new Shurflow and try it!
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: craneman on July 21, 2020, 02:41:25 pm
What are the new fangled pumps? Maybe I will just eliminate it with my new Shurflow and try it!
This one of the best.

Amazon.com: Remco (55-AQUAJET ARV Aquajet Rv Series Water Pump: Automotive (https://www.amazon.com/Remco-55-AQUAJET-Industries-55AQUAJET-ARV-Aqua/dp/B004RCSLFS)

What is the Best 12 Volt RV Water Pump for 2020? - Camp Addict (https://campaddict.com/rv-water-pump/)
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: John44 on July 21, 2020, 03:10:01 pm
Bought a new Shurflo a few years ago, took the air tank out ,you don't need it, pump was'nt new fangled,it should say on your directions if you need the tank or not.
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: dans96u295ft on July 21, 2020, 04:46:26 pm
Called Shurflo and I don't need it but he said it will give me a bit more pressure with it. My model is 2088-554-144, new last December. I'll try it without and save $200+ dollars. If I don't like it without I'll add it back.
Thanks for every ones help. Once I get it out, I'll go to HD and compare their $45 dollar one
Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: Chuck & Jeannie on July 21, 2020, 05:10:41 pm
Called Shurflo and I don't need it but he said it will give me a bit more pressure with it.
The customer service flack you spoke to obviously does not understand the function of a diaphragm pressure tank.

Hint:  A pressure tank does not increase the pressure put out by the water pump.

"The pressure tank (diaphragm or captive air tank) has three purposes. It stores water and provides water under pressure when the pump is not running. It builds up a reserve supply of water so the pump starts and stops less often, prolonging the life of the pump. In addition, it provides a reserve supply of water for use during times of high demand."

Title: Re: New sureflo water pump cycling
Post by: dans96u295ft on July 21, 2020, 08:57:12 pm
Good to know. I'll keep it. I could barely understand the tech. He was from India