I've pretty much decided to replace my year 2013 Michelin tires with Toyos. They are 275-80-22.5. I have a good price from Les Schwabb but they tell me that Toyo does not make a 275, only a 295. I've read that the 295 size rubs on the air bag mount. Is this info on 275 correct and if so, what is your experience with the 295s? Thanks.
jor
Will check mine but have had Toyos for a few years no problems.
1997 U295 36'...Toyo 295/75, M122 no rubbie!
Love my tires, cheap too.
Chris
P.S. Size on tire, doesn't always dictate actual size.
I changed out my super lowered dually PU tires to a different brand, same size, and the fronts rubbed bad. Had to cut back the wheel well lips
You can't use the 295/80 must use 295/75 to not have a problem
Which series did you go with? Been looking at Toyo 295/75R22.5 and thinking the 154.
Love the ride on my Toyos
Don't count out Uniroyals
I have seen the 295's just rub just slightly at full turn. I was going to just trim/ grind the airbag lower mounting plate ( plate is bigger than the airbag base) maybe 3/16 to 1/4 just at one spot. Otherwise they work
Again, to be clear, we are talking about 295/75R22.5,
NOT 295/80R22.5.
Jor
Switched to 295/75 Toyo's on my 98 U270 34' 2 years ago. No problem.
Mike.
295/75R M122
Six mounted out the door, $2300.00 tax and all. I know the manager, he gave me the 'brother in-law" price, and $100.00 a piece for the old 10 yr old tires. Good enough for around town dump truck.
Be sure to check the DOT dates, we talked about that, and when I got home, the dates were 10 months old. Kinda bummed me out, just sucked it up didn't say anything.
Chris
We had the 295 Toyos put on last year. They did rub on the front air bag mounting plates when making a very sharp turn. I could have ground a little off the air bag plates, but didn't want to do that. Went back and paid a little more and had the 275 Michelins put on.
Not Toyo but I have 295 on my 270 and they don't run in a turn. Can't get any closer but the don't rub..295 Bridgestone.. Maybe you can find a comparison of the 2 on internet.
So what if they rub ocasionally?
P
Would take a very sharp turn as in at the stops so coach would be going very slow.. Small skiff shouldn't hurt anything.. First time I noticed mine being so close I actually thought the edge of the tire and base of the bag were touching but no evidence of doing so on outside of the tire.That was 10,000 miles ago and still see no evidence of rubbing.
Like Pierce indicated, it's no big deal and does no harm with a slight rub when turning sharply. The rub is really just a "touch" of the tire on the air bag base ate, again, no harm. For me, it was just a mental thing, and it bothered me, so I changed them.
Okay, want to give you Toyo buyers a heads up here. I had a set of Toyo 177 load range H mounted. The Toyo literature stated they were direct replacements for the comparable Michelin tires. My Toyos were made in Japan.
Okay, so mounted up, drove home with tires inflated to max from dealer, and decided to adjust inflation. Looked at the Toyo inflation schedules and WTF....there are two different charts for M177 LR H tires. One has a maximum inflation of 120 psi, one has a max inflation of 125 psi. The 125 psi tires are the Japanese made ones...and their minimal inflation is, IIRC, 95 psi. The 120 psi max tires go down to inflation levels comparable to the Michelin tires....70 psi or so. Unfortunately for me, I am not a believer in max inflation, I prefer to set for load and better ride qualities for my light, no slide 36' coach.....and I'm stuck with a set of tires that are made for hi psi settings only. Called Toyo, zero help, more like "sucks to be you, sir."
So, if you are not a fan of log truck ride qualities, might want to watch out for this gotcha.
https://www.toyotires.com/media/2155/2017_commercial_loadandinflation_tables.pdf
I looked at the Toyo chart and saw the 125, did not look at the inflation versus weight chart so did not see the 95 minimum.
My "H" rated Michelin's are correct at 87 rear so that might be a problem,
The Michelin's seem to have a definite self centering design. Directional sipes.
Noticeable to me driving. Drove a lot of older design Toyos and never noticed the centering feeling
If you look at the chart, there are two different M177 lrH tires. On one of them, everything below 95 psi is blank. No go zone according to Toyo. On the other tire, they go down to 70 PSI inflation.
My next tires will be Michelin.
Chuck,
Too bad you are not closer and I would buy two from you. I max out pressures so no big deal. 110 psi for our G rated tires.
Pierce
I guess it's one's preference. I've had Continental, Michelin, Ohtsu, and Toyo, all worked just fine for me. Currently on a set of Toyos (125 psi rated) for the last 3 years all is good.
125 PSI...YIKES!
32K lbs actual weight loaded (scaled), 90 back, 95 front.....Here comes the haters....Oh Lordy, the tire pressure post again....:)
Where you at Bubba? Get the pump fixed?
Chris
Jor, I made the switch to the 295/75/22.5 from the Michelin's. I went with the lower tread depth model steer tire (I think it was the 137) While at MOT having new airbags and FSD's installed. I asked about the slight rubbing at the sharp turn angle. They said not an issue. The slight rubbing only happens at a sharp steering input (think campground parking) The wheel is turning so slowly and the contact so brief. It won't hurt that mount nor the tire. And if you do make contact at highway speeds. You will be in the middle of rolling your coach. So MOT says non-issue.
Chris my 97 40' U320 with full tanks and empty holding weighed less by a small amount. 2k worth of tools?
We have had Toyo M154's 295/75 for the past four years with no rubbing issues, good ride. I recently changed the fronts to Michelin XZA2 295/80, no rubbing problems and they allow me to drop my pressure from 117 lb to 98 lb. Also, the Michelin are much quieter than the Toyos.
My Bad, was going off memory, you know how that goes.
Went and looked. Cat scale...31,880 LBS. Correction made
Yup, big tool box!
CW
Chris, per MOT, our 2000 U320 is 90 lbs across the rears and 95 for the steers! Much better ride and zero issues! We have Toyos that another owner installed on this coach and will be installing Michelins on when we need new ones. To me, a much better riding tire!
Chris you are 2,000 over gvw? I think the scale may be wrong. Or with the tow car. Mine was 31,880 on a 32000 gvw?
Chris, didn't say I run them at 125. I don't mind a bit of a harsh ride, and I don't have to worry about adjusting tire pressures from north to the south. 12600 front 19200 rear. 115 psi in the front 100 rear. Haven't had to add air to the tires in 2 years.
Got to get some where I'm going to be for a month to pull the pump and get it rebuilt. The pump does have a tapered shaft with a key way.
Good point, safe travels.
I'am sure places in Yuma can rebuild it.
CW
Chris,
Last time I weighed mine: CAT Scale 31820, also big tool box. Have remove a few things I do not use.
John
Man, this is getting confusing. Reminds me of the passion regarding dumping procedures! In the past, I've just bought Michelins, same as were on the coach. Anyhow, this coach is light. It's a 34 footer and weighs right at 26,000 fully loaded with all of our stuff, fuel and water. I think I'll take all this into consideration and talk to the Schwabb guy and see what he has to say.
jor
Bob
Cat scale isn't going to be wrong, but the guy reading it might be!
I looked again, the printing is so faint. It was never important to me to look, because we don't load the coach down.
So yes, you are correct.
Break down is:
Steer axel 10440
Drive axel 17400
Trailer axel 4040
Total 31,880
Roland probably had his Jeep Grand Cherokee with him.
Ah it makes perfect sense. Now
My Toyo's go round & round without complaint. They are rated to support the load presented. And they are cheaper than the Michelin's and Toyo's are sold/stocked by my local dealer (Les Schwab) that has awesome service and makes any warranty claim easier. Those were the things I was concerned about.
Now as to whether other tires are quieter, "handle better" what ever that means. Non-issue with me and how I drive. Both hands on the wheel and I slow down for sharp curves and maybe 300 miles MAX before camping for days/weeks/months. And I never drive with my hearing aids in. I found with 1.5 million Class 8 truck miles. The road causes more handling variables than one tire brand to another does.
Flame suit is on. :)) :))
Oh, and what tire pressures?....LOL
Just teasing
Chris
The appropriate PSI for the loads as determined in the manufacturers load chart of course. That's a great place to start. ^.^d
In the end, One has to look pretty hard to find an absolute rubbish tire. Stick to the load limitations per the tire maker. You should be good to go. The VAST majority of tire issues are from under-inflation. Full stop.
Move to LA and drive our concrete block freeways regularly and you will like I did search for a lower pressure, better riding, quieter tire that self steers better.
Smooth asphalt roads are much quieter. And have no concrete block square edges.
H Tires and Koni FSD's addressed 80-90% of the issues.
Another difference. With xza-2's when I lifted the throttle the coach slowed down.
With the XZA-3+'s the coach barely slows with no throttle.
Quite noticeable. Less rolling resistance
All the tire manufacturers have "green" tires with low rolling resistance. Even the dreaded "Chinese" tires. Forgot to say Michelin manufactures 12 million tires in China and has since 2013. :D Perhaps an investigation is needed.
Highways are in bad shape in many states. Drive around Detroit and L.A. seems Autobahn smooth. Or toll roads where you have to turn the wheel a lot to change lanes and then your coach suddenly leaps from the deep tracks in your lane to deep tracks in the next lane.
Pierce
Sounds like Spokane Washington. Everything I can do, to keep my dually and race car trailer straight....And pot holes, it's the Grand canyon!
Maybe I should have asked a question for those who may have noticed such things.
In traffic at medium to low speeds if you remove your foot from the throttle on level ground does your coach slow enough to delay the brake application if needed?
Yes I understand they are all "green." Michelin advertises 20% lower rolling resistance than the next best selling tire whatever that means.
Seen a lot of big rigs with Michelin's on the steer axle.
Just something I noticed after the change.
Bob, I'm just out enjoying myself and trying to get to a destination. I don't have the equipment aboard my coach to even begin to quantify coast down figures. as doing so needs to be under controlled conditions. Even the worst rolling tires now are much better than the greenest ones just a few years ago.
I stopped using Michelins on my Class 8 trucks steer axle because I had far too many steel belt failures for such an expensive tire. Switched over to Generals on the steers and never did have another belt failure.
I ran double trailers down I90 at 75MPH with a Kenworth W900 long nose truck. Doubles are never straight and thus you wear out steer tires about every 5 months or about 50,000 miles. Drive tires would generally last me 250,000 miles.
I have toyos. M154 295/75 R22.5. rated to 129 psi. Will have to start looking next year for when I should re tire. Probably would stay with Toyos but will look at Michelen too.
I too have Toyo M154 295/75 R22.5, H rated, bought three years ago at Les Schwab in Junction City OR. They and the manager that recommended them to me use to sell all the tires to Monaco and Country Coach out of that location. I have no complaints, would recommend them, and yes minor burnish on base of metal air bag housing from minor contact, again a non issue. I like Les Schwab as they have always taken good care of their customers, including me. I've bought three new sets of six rv tires from them, all Toyo.
OP here. I ended up getting 295 G rating Toyo tires in Nacogdoches. Good to go.
jor
Had same 295s on 1998 U270 series for 15 years, no problem with rubbing.
I am running the Toyo 295/75 on my Grand Villa. 30,000 miles on them and no difficulties whatsoever. Had one hard brake, hard steering maneuver and they never lost traction. Maybe other brands can say the same but I am a believer.
....where did you go in NAC? Herman Power? Do you mind asking too how much? I'm shopping now, can't go a whole lot farther without putting some new shoes on the old girl....
Herman Power ($402 per tire). About $2750 after a cash discount with new valves and only steers balanced. You would probably want H rated 295s. The out the door price was $3,033 ($429 per tire).
Be advised that Herman Power does not hand torque the wheels. They use an impact. They told me they would be happy to torque them for me if I brought my own torque wrench.
I did some calling around (Tucson, Idaho (Les Schwabb) and Nacogdoches). Herman Power had the best price but all of them told me the same thing. They are having a difficult time getting tires. Michelins were on back order at one place and Toyos at another.
jor
...thanks so much, so JOR, you didn't get all 6 as steering tires?
All the same. I was referring to the fact that I had only the front tires balanced.
jor
I see this post started about tire size ,but veared off into tire preasure. My experience is: Running low preasure causes more side wall flexion resulting in higher tire temperature. At some point (engineering recomendations aside) hot running tires are more likely to suffer tread seperation failure. The risk is yours, draw your line carefully. 🤔
This is not uncommon.
Mike
OP here. Ahhh... the Great Tire Pressure Discussion. Brings out the passion, almost like black tank maintenance. Me? I set them to whatever the factory spec indicates. In my case, it's 85 front and 80 rear.
jor