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Title: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: Chip7 on September 13, 2020, 09:54:35 pm
I removed my tanks to do a "lite bulkhead" repair (only the black/gray bay, and a little in fresh bay).

While I had the waste pipe plumbing out, I serviced the bladex valves by replacing the cores. Much smoother operation!

I am ready to reinstall the waste pipes into the black and gray tanks. I note they have some gray colored putty (plumbers putty?) around where the interface with the tank was previously. There was also a large hose clamp around each tank/pipe interface. I have no idea if this is factory or not. It appears this assembly has been previously removed, but I can't be sure.

There is an o-ring recessed in the end of each ABS pipe too.

I have some ABS glue on hand, but wanted to check before deploying it. Something doesn't seem right with that approach.

Thanks all!
Title: Re: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: dsd on September 13, 2020, 11:03:20 pm
The plumbers putty would not be on my approved list. It is usually contained and is just for the seal. Could it of been silicone seal? RTV. A picture would clear up a lot of questions. Will it be subject to movement or removal in the future?
Scott
Title: Re: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: Doug W. on September 14, 2020, 10:53:42 am
 Butyl rubber sealant would make a flexible water tight seal and be able to remove for future repairs.
Something like this:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DAP-Butyl-Flex-10-1-oz-White-VOC-Compliant-Gutter-and-Flashing-Sealant-12-Pack-7079827062/205030316
Title: Re: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: jor on September 14, 2020, 11:32:52 am
I replaced the black tank on our 300. I bought new connecting seals because I had to destroy the originals to get the tanks out. When I reinstalled, I did not use any sealer. The seals fit nice and tight.
jor
Title: Re: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: Chip7 on September 14, 2020, 11:54:48 am
Thanks all - see the picture below.

The gray stuff is kind of gummy like butyl rubber now that you mention it Doug.

Jor - my top vents and inlets went back in without damage. Did you reattach the waste pipes at the base without sealer as well?
Title: Re: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: Old Toolmaker on September 14, 2020, 02:28:22 pm

There is an o-ring recessed in the end of each ABS pipe too.

I have some ABS glue on hand, but wanted to check before deploying it. Something doesn't seem right with that approach.

Thanks all!

Anything permanent is a bad idea, and I deal with the "soft stuff" by not thinking about it and cleaning it off the pipes.  You should be able to clean it all up, install new o-rings, slip it in place with a push and a shove, and tighten the clamps to hold everything tight.  Test with clean water before you button it all up.  I don't see any sense adding sealant to something that shouldn't leak with good o-rings.
Title: Re: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: Pamela & Mike on September 14, 2020, 03:05:28 pm
On our U-240 when we had it apart  I used RectorSeal No. 5 - RectorSeal (https://rectorseal.com/product/rectorseal-no-5/) even though it is pipe dope it worked just fine.

Mike
Title: Re: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: jor on September 14, 2020, 03:13:13 pm
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Jor - my top vents and inlets went back in without damage. Did you reattach the waste pipes at the base without sealer as well?
That's what I get for not reading  your post carefully. For the bottom pipes I just used the stuff that was already on them. I think it is butyl. Gummy buy not real sticky. I also used a hose clamp.
jor

For everyone's viewing pleasure, check out photo #3.
jor
Title: Re: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: Doug W. on September 14, 2020, 03:31:06 pm
Anything permanent is a bad idea, and I deal with the "soft stuff" by not thinking about it and cleaning it off the pipes.  You should be able to clean it all up, install new o-rings, slip it in place with a push and a shove, and tighten the clamps to hold everything tight.  Test with clean water before you button it all up.  I don't see any sense adding sealant to something that shouldn't leak with good o-rings.

Most likely came from the factory with sealant added, too much flex to rely on solely on a small o-ring, use it and forget about it...
Title: Re: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: Phranko on September 14, 2020, 04:01:44 pm
jor
What the heck is that?
Title: Re: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: jor on September 14, 2020, 06:21:53 pm
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What the heck is that?

Glad you asked! It's the flush valve on the toilet. I had the black tank out and felt compelled to take that photo.
jor
Title: Re: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: Jan & Richard on September 14, 2020, 07:55:39 pm
We can tell your mind is in the toilet. :))  >:D
Title: Re: Sealant to reattach waste ABS pipes to tanks?
Post by: Chip7 on September 14, 2020, 11:29:20 pm
Thanks everyone!

I cleaned everything up and put a thin bead of butyl rubber between the faces of the waste pipe and the face of the tank. I think it was likely superfluous though. The combo of the o-ring and hose clamp seemed to really give a good mechanical seal.

I told my son tonight that we are now referring to it as a "dry bay" so we don't have any repeat water damage 😂

I leak checked with 1/3 full black and gray tanks (fresh water of course!), and all is well. Now to put the rest of the wet, err, dry bay together with the new seelevel system.