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Title: Air bag tools
Post by: oldmattb on April 04, 2021, 05:19:11 pm
I have finished my project, and the tool set is available.  DSD sent them to me.  With your request and his approval, I can send them directly to you.  It is a very nice kit, and made the job much easier.

I was surprised to find that the worst parts of the bags were OPPOSITE the side that is exposed to the sun.  A couple had the individual threads exposed and loose.

Rather than cutting off the ends of the supply lines, I drilled out the brass support tube in the new angle fittings.  The old nut, seal and reinforcement fit in for a nice leak-free fit, with no worries of the line becoming too short.

The nut on one of the air bags seized half-way off.  Of course it was the far side, on one of the bags without access to the opposite side.  I was able to use a recip saw with a long metal-cutting blade to cut the stud between  the metal bag crown and the mounting plate.

I removed the wheels for the job.  No doubt the bags could be replaced with the wheels on, but I also unhooked the shocks bottoms and checked them, inspected the brake pins and pads, polished the aluminum wheels, patched a spot where a tire had worn through the wheel well, and did some checking around.

I had the chassis fully blocked, which I think was a mistake.  "Next time" I will block just the axle I am working on.  The disabled suspension put a lot of weight on the jack.

I bought one of these - glad I did:  Amazon.com: ATD Tools 7229 Tire and Wheel Cart: Automotive (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A7EO3DY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

The "double ratchet" style of torque multiplier works great on the front wheels, but is useless on the duals, due to the distance from the lug to the handles.  I bought one of those multipliers with the crank handle, and it worked great.

Some of the shock bolts were easy to remove with a breaker bar.  One would not budge, one seized half way.  I cut them off and used new hardware.
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: craneman on April 04, 2021, 05:50:36 pm
This is my wheel remover setup.

tools to R&R wheels (https://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=31018.msg271508#msg271508)
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: Chris m lang on April 04, 2021, 06:12:36 pm
I use the multiplier like you have with chucks setup have no problems--3/4" drive 12" long extension
Chris
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: gracerace on April 04, 2021, 07:48:39 pm
I just did 2 front ones with shocks, and rear shocks only (rear bags are fine). I tell you it is so simple to remove the fenders. Nothing is glued on. Probably 5-10 minutes max to remove. 20 minutes to reinstall, including cleaning silicone, and resealing.

You also can clean, wire brush and paint stuff. The bags plates were crusty.

I did the 1st two front easy ones (rear fronts) with them on a year ago. The other front 2 bags I just did would have been impossible to get the air fitting out. As it was with the fenders off it was still a pain. Infact, the second bag I took off, I cut it off with a sawzall.

Chris

Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: dsd on April 04, 2021, 11:33:39 pm
I have finished my project, and the tool set is available.  DSD sent them to me.  With your request and his approval, I can send them directly to you.  It is a very nice kit, and made the job much easier.



I bought one of these - glad I did:  Amazon.com: ATD Tools 7229 Tire and Wheel Cart: Automotive (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A7EO3DY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)


I just use a square pointed shovel. Works good to lift and rotate tire as needed. Easy to store too.
Scott
Yes if someone would want to use my airbag removal tools now or in the future pm me and will set up.
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: oldmattb on April 04, 2021, 11:52:29 pm
I just use a square pointed shovel. Works good to lift and rotate tire as needed. Easy to store too.
Scott
Yes if someone would want to use my airbag removal tools now or in the future pm me and will set up.
I used a shovel or a wrecking bar on the previous coach.  An advantage of the ATD tool is that one can rotate the tire while it is on the tool, to fit the lugs to the holes.  I probably would not have bought the tool, except I wanted to move the wheels to another spot to clean and polish them. AND I was doing all of them in a few days.
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: Lon and Cheryl on April 05, 2021, 11:34:36 am
To wrestle a tire/wheel off and on I use a 2 wheeler hand truck. I do like the smaller sized units that are pictured that would be easier stashed in the coach.
I don't carry a spare so I would have to use a tire service on the road.
 At home the 2 wheeled hand truck works and is nice to have for other purposes around the house.
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on April 05, 2021, 12:11:52 pm
I just loosen the nuts, jack the side up until the tire still barely touches the ground, remove the nuts then saw it back and forth several times until it clears the studs and then roll it to where I want it to go. Easy, easy, easy. Same to put it back on. And we don't move a wheel without having a spare in the compartment.

Pierce
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: bpal on February 21, 2023, 01:28:07 pm
This topic had the most relevant title regarding Air Bag Tools, so I am replying here.

I just finished replacing all 8 air bags over the weekend. I was able to complete it without removing the fenders or any tires. I did build the 2 ratcheting wrenches as Scott built originally. I don't think it would have been possible with out them particularly on the passenger front bag. I also followed Scott's lead and made a tool to fit over the 90 degree air fitting.

I would also say the following tools were helpful as well:
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: MMoore on February 21, 2023, 01:43:57 pm
This topic had the most relevant title regarding Air Bag Tools, so I am replying here.

I just finished replacing all 8 air bags over the weekend. I was able to complete it without removing the fenders or any tires. I did build the 2 ratcheting wrenches as Scott built originally. I don't think it would have been possible with out them particularly on the passenger front bag. I also followed Scott's lead and made a tool to fit over the 90 degree air fitting.

I would also say the following tools were helpful as well:
    • 5/8" flare nut crows foot wrench. This makes removal of the air line from the backside air bags easier.
    • 3/4" crows foot wrench. I had several bags where the lower nut was almost touching the frame making it impossible to fit a socket. This made it easy to loosen and tighten.

This topic had the most relevant title regarding Air Bag Tools, so I am replying here.

I just finished replacing all 8 air bags over the weekend. I was able to complete it without removing the fenders or any tires. I did build the 2 ratcheting wrenches as Scott built originally. I don't think it would have been possible with out them particularly on the passenger front bag. I also followed Scott's lead and made a tool to fit over the 90 degree air fitting.

I would also say the following tools were helpful as well:
    • 5/8" flare nut crows foot wrench. This makes removal of the air line from the backside air bags easier.
    • 3/4" crows foot wrench. I had several bags where the lower nut was almost touching the frame making it impossible to fit a socket. This made it easy to loosen and tighten.

What size are the ratchet wrenches you sacrificed and what did you use for the 1/2 inch square you welded on? Also what you doing this weekend?
Also do you have a better pic of the fabricated tool to remove air fitting?
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: oldguy on February 21, 2023, 01:57:28 pm
I agree that they can be done with the wheels on and I did the right front with the wheel and
fender on but never again. Pulling wheels is not a big deal for me and I pull the re wheels twice
a year to do snow tires and fronts once a year to check the brakes so I would do it then but as
they are all done I won't have to do it again. The only tool I made was one to take the fitting out.
The ratchet wrenches is a great idea.
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: bpal on February 21, 2023, 03:11:01 pm
For the ratcheting stubby wrenches:
2 of these: Sunex 97324A 1/2-Inch Drive 24-mm Jumbo Crowfoot Wrench - Open End Wrenches... (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002YKH9I0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) - $16 for 2

1 1/8" ratcheting wrench. I bought a different brand but this is $26 and says 90-tooth
Jaeger 1 1/8 Inch TIGHTSPOT Ratchet Wrench with 90-Tooth Ratcheting Precision... (http://www.amazon.com/Jaeger-TIGHTSPOT-90-Tooth-Ratcheting-Precision/dp/B078WMXP85/ref=sr_1_4?crid=25MNAB3O8GJ1)

3/4 ratcheting wrench. $13
Jaeger 3/4 Inch TIGHTSPOT Ratchet Wrench with 90-Tooth Ratcheting Precision... (https://www.amazon.com/Jaeger-TIGHTSPOT-90-Tooth-Ratcheting-Precision/dp/B07BPQWGMB/ref=sr_1_4?crid=25MNAB3O8GJ1&th=1)

For the air fitting tool, I just scrounged what I had around. I started with 1" bar stock and shimmed it up internally until I had 9/16" internal width. Best to place an old fitting inside when welding it up to end up with a tight fit. Then welded a 1/2 nut on top so it ends up using the same 3/4" ratcheting wrench. Try to make it as short as possible for rotation but still allowing the potential of the tubing ferule.
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: dsd on February 21, 2023, 04:32:48 pm
Length is critical on the wrenches. Locking extensions really make it easier to use. Doesnt fall apart. The small breaker bar allows reversing motion way easier than a ratchet. Carefull using hat tool not to pinch your fingers against side wall while using. Clean up tap reduces work on large friction lock nuts.
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: bpal on February 21, 2023, 06:26:11 pm
I used your measurement of 3 1/2" inch center to center when making up the wrenches. Couldn't agree more on the locking extensions. My longer set were the wobble type that firm up when you insert fully. They come apart too easily and were the source of a good amount of frustration. When you wedge you body into some of these positions its difficult to retrieve a dropped tool.
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: Geodmann on March 11, 2023, 08:32:16 am
I used your measurement of 3 1/2" inch center to center when making up the wrenches.

Bruce you say that you made the wrenches at 3 1/2" center to center.  Scott had posted a photo with a tape measure and it looks like the 1 1/8" wrench is 3" center to center and the 3/4" wrench is 3 1/2".  Question to both of you; are those dimensions correct and after having done this are you both satisfied with those sizes.  Maybe there is more tolerance for overall wrench length and both are fine.  I'm getting ready to make these myself and would like to get it right the first time.  Also my air line fittings are push connect (2002).  Does anyone else have these and are they likely OEM?  It seems unlikely that anyone would have changed them all out as my air bags are original.

thanks
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: dsd on March 11, 2023, 09:42:01 am
I used your measurement of 3 1/2" inch center to center when making up the wrenches.

Bruce you say that you made the wrenches at 3 1/2" center to center.  Scott had posted a photo with a tape measure and it looks like the 1 1/8" wrench is 3" center to center and the 3/4" wrench is 3 1/2".  Question to both of you; are those dimensions correct and after having done this are you both satisfied with those sizes.  Maybe there is more tolerance for overall wrench length and both are fine.  I'm getting ready to make these myself and would like to get it right the first time.  Also my air line fittings are push connect (2002).  Does anyone else have these and are they likely OEM?  It seems unlikely that anyone would have changed them all out as my air bags are original.

thanks
Yep you are correct. I sold wrenches to Elliot. Send him a PM. The 1 1/8 being a little shorter worked better. Both could be that length
Scott
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: Elliott on March 11, 2023, 09:48:05 am
Also my air line fittings are push connect (2002).  Does anyone else have these and are they likely OEM?  It seems unlikely that anyone would have changed them all out as my air bags are original.
Whether or not they are OEM, they need to be changed out. Fine for down the road use while the engine compressor is overpowering Any air leaks, but horrible for when trying to stay level at your campsite. My guess is that they are not original.

I still loan out the airbag tools Scott made if you don't want to make your own. You just need to put a deposit down and pay for shipping.
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: bpal on March 11, 2023, 01:22:27 pm
I used 3 1/2" center to center for both. That worked fine on most. On the passenger side front bag the 1 1/8 wrench only allowed 1 click of the ratchet mechanism. It's possible that slightly shorter may have allowed another click. Try to buy one with the most clicks per revolution.
Title: Re: Air bag tools
Post by: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart on March 11, 2023, 05:10:05 pm
Here is the tool I made about 10 years ago. It looks to be about the same 3 1/2" center to center for the 3/4"/19mm nut. I had to raise it and relocate it for each partial turn so it took an extra minute or two. The shortened ratchets Scott made are the ticket.

Pierce